This classification system is deeply flawed but one of the most obvious ways is failing to recognize that quiche is an arbitrarily over specific example of what its category should ACTUALLY be called, which is obviously PIE.
PIZZA IS PIE TOO. The crust puffing up elevated at the edges contains the ingredients within.
And in this case, a stuffed crust pizza is indeed a PIE SURROUNDED BY A CALZONE.
then again, this is a a loop-shaped calzone... topologically, a torus. the chart doesn't even have an entry for that, but i'm ok with provisionally classifying it as a calzone
I feel like the chart needs a torus entry like some kind of filled doughnut, but I also think a rolled, filled torus is closer to a sushi roll than a calzone. I think everyone is just settling on calzone because we are talking about pizza and ignoring the structure and shape which is what this is about. How does a torus fit into the cube rule anyway? You can only consider it as the base structure which is a tube, ie sushi.
Your comment makes me think that we're missing (at least) one of configurations on the diagram, the one where two bases are perpendicular to each other. A slice of pizza will have that configuration, but I am too culinary-challenged to imagine anything else by that shape to name it after 🤔
I would find it a tad odd to refer to a hotdog as simply a sandwich, because we have a more precise and common word for it, but I would understand nonetheless.
Not just because of this debate, but also because when you use the ingredients separately you get weiner sandwiches and hot dog bun sandwiches.
It would be odd to call champagne wine, but still understandable. Same for calling a lava lamp an incandescent light. Actually, this would probably work for lots of genericized tradmarks, like jello, bandaid, dumpster, zamboni, kleenex, zipper, velcro, and so on.
Well, in the case when a table is empty except for the hotdog sandwich in question, I would maybe understand. But I imagine myself to be quite dumbfounded with such a naming
At this point, it's pretty hard to find a natural opinion on hotdogs as sandwiches sunce everyone has heard of the great sandwich debate, but I don't think it's a big leap. I think calling a hamburger a sandwich is about as weird, for example.
Everyone in this thread is ignoring a lot, mostly that vastly different preparation methods van make the same structure, and the same method vastly different structures. Like pasta, which category you get depends on exactly what kind you have.
I don't believe that a torus is homeomorphic to a cube, so in fact the stuffed crust is not adequately explained by the cube model. We can approximate the stuffed crust by modelling either as sushi or calzone and receive adequate results.
The sushi model is more robust as it more accurately defines the thermal dynamics of the stuffed crust system. A calzone model includes closed off face, while the faces can be pinched to an infinitesimal point to create a stuffed crust like pizza. Those faces still introduce a thermal graduate to the cheese and won't replicate the results of when we cook our awesome pizza. If instead we permit the sushi model to exist in non-eucludian space we can accurately define a stuffed crust pizza with the sushi model by bending our dimensions. As a result of this the cheese-face interface is better described however it also must exclude the calzone model for describing a stuffed crust pizza.
I realise that we have thus far only considered the crust as a separate entity, which is of course toroidal (and for which we should evidently add a new form to the model for - I would propose the 'doughnut'), however the full pizza with a stuffed crust is not - it has no hole. By compressing the centre of a calzone until the top and bottom faces meet we reach the full stuffed crust pizza. Perhaps we've been wrong all along...
By George I think you have it! Using radial coordinates and a calzone model a pizza is toast but a stuffed crust pizza is a calzone. How could I have never seen this before?! It's brilliant!
A single slice of stuffed crust would be a sushi attached to a toast. The ends are open once you cut it into a slice. A FULL stuffed crust would be a calzone and a toast.
Cube rule of food identification exists to be disproven aggressively for comedy and arguing. It's a good time, until the person that believes it so truly they would kill and die to call a cheese roll up sushi arrives. They can make the conversation stressful.
Isn’t “lasagna”, as we refer to it, technically a casserole made with layers of lasagne, cheese, and sauce? Not that “casserole” is a category, but I’m just being pedantic at this point, soz
I’ve always maintained that pizza is a tart rather than a pie
Imagine people thinking food cam be categorized consistently like that.
Food is cultural and historical; nothing outside of its preparation is scientific or internally logically consistent, so stop trying to force it to be.
A hot dog is a damn hot dog. Now stop arguing about it, and get this crap off of my feed
The usernames add a whole new layer to this thread. "Pink drunken elephant" having a serious and sober look at the conversation and how stupid it is, and "get off the drugs dude" happily continuing this bizarre and pointless conversation.
This classification system is deeply flawed but one of the most obvious ways is failing to recognize that quiche is an arbitrarily over specific example of what its category should ACTUALLY be called, which is obviously PIE.
PIZZA IS PIE TOO. The crust puffing up elevated at the edges contains the ingredients within.
And in this case, a stuffed crust pizza is indeed a PIE SURROUNDED BY A CALZONE.
Alternatively surrounded by a burrito.
Wouldn't stuffed crust be toast surrounded by sushi?
if you're looking at the whole pizza pie, the crust doesn't have open sides so it's a calzone. if you're looking at a single slice, it's sushi.
Til cutting a pizza turns bread into fish
*turns bread into rice
"sushi" refers to the rice, fish is optional (but popular)
then again, this is a a loop-shaped calzone... topologically, a torus. the chart doesn't even have an entry for that, but i'm ok with provisionally classifying it as a calzone
I feel like the chart needs a torus entry like some kind of filled doughnut, but I also think a rolled, filled torus is closer to a sushi roll than a calzone. I think everyone is just settling on calzone because we are talking about pizza and ignoring the structure and shape which is what this is about. How does a torus fit into the cube rule anyway? You can only consider it as the base structure which is a tube, ie sushi.
This was my exact assessment. I like how u think
What's your opinion on thin-crust pizza? Is it toast? I feel like it's toast.
you know what, yeah actually, i think i agree with that too!
I just questioned this elsewhere and am in full agreement. Should be a pie.
Your comment makes me think that we're missing (at least) one of configurations on the diagram, the one where two bases are perpendicular to each other. A slice of pizza will have that configuration, but I am too culinary-challenged to imagine anything else by that shape to name it after 🤔
psh, YOU'RE a tart. :p
So a poorly wrapped burrito is sushi but a properly wrapped one is a calzone. th'fuck?
Damnit, someone got to the burrito logic before I did...
And if you start eating a properly wrapped one, it turns into a quiche 🤔
I don’t make the rules.
If you don't like science go live in the woods.
A taquito is sushi
That's how I'm referring to it from now on. I just need to know what I call Arepas.
Language is use, nerds. It ain't a sandwich.
Since bread cannot be attached to language in any orientable way, you are right: It ain't a sandwich, it's a salad!
I would find it a tad odd to refer to a hotdog as simply a sandwich, because we have a more precise and common word for it, but I would understand nonetheless.
Not just because of this debate, but also because when you use the ingredients separately you get weiner sandwiches and hot dog bun sandwiches.
It would be odd to call champagne wine, but still understandable. Same for calling a lava lamp an incandescent light. Actually, this would probably work for lots of genericized tradmarks, like jello, bandaid, dumpster, zamboni, kleenex, zipper, velcro, and so on.
Well, in the case when a table is empty except for the
hotdogsandwich in question, I would maybe understand. But I imagine myself to be quite dumbfounded with such a namingAt this point, it's pretty hard to find a natural opinion on hotdogs as sandwiches sunce everyone has heard of the great sandwich debate, but I don't think it's a big leap. I think calling a hamburger a sandwich is about as weird, for example.
canoli = sushi
Big Mac = cake
Lasagne = cake
This one I can get behind. A delicious cheesy noodle tomato meat cake. Yumm.
The cake is a lie.
A slice of pizza is, indeed, a toast! With a lot of stuff on top.
The crust makes it a pie!!
The hardened browned crumb of a toast is, essentially, a small crust! That's how pies get it too!
PIE IS A TOAST!!!
Noooooo!
According to this diagram it makes it a quiche. The definition should be a tart, a quiche is a savoury custard tart.
That would make the pizza a tart.
A pie would be a calzone according to this diagram.
Is a pie a type of quiche or did the OP choose too narrowly? Is a quiche a type of pie? Should they be reversed?
It's a vegetable
I would argue that according to this diagram, stuffed crust is in fact a sushi tube connecting to itself in a circle around the pizza.
Hear me out -
It's a ring torus with a a different substance inside.
It's a filled donut.
No hole in the middle, filled donut stuck to a toast maybe?
Yeah, I'd agree. It's definitely 2 different things going off the cube rule
Certainly sushi if it's just a slice
I think stuffed crust is sushi attached to toast
Everyone in this thread ignoring that sushi refers to the style and preparation of the rice. The rolled sushi is maki, literally "to roll."
Everyone in this thread is ignoring a lot, mostly that vastly different preparation methods van make the same structure, and the same method vastly different structures. Like pasta, which category you get depends on exactly what kind you have.
A stuffed crust pizza would be a calzone only when it's still yet to be cut into slices.
The moment a slice is removed from the whole would be when it becomes sushi.
The image specifically talks about a slice 🍕
I was thinking the same, but then realized it's probably just quiche.
https://cuberule.com/
A Big Mac is a cake.
Or a club
I came in here to say this
What a claim to fame
Stuffed crust is actually sushi tho.
only in a single slice. if we're looking at the whole pizza pie, it's a calzone in a circle around a toast.
I don't believe that a torus is homeomorphic to a cube, so in fact the stuffed crust is not adequately explained by the cube model. We can approximate the stuffed crust by modelling either as sushi or calzone and receive adequate results.
The sushi model is more robust as it more accurately defines the thermal dynamics of the stuffed crust system. A calzone model includes closed off face, while the faces can be pinched to an infinitesimal point to create a stuffed crust like pizza. Those faces still introduce a thermal graduate to the cheese and won't replicate the results of when we cook our awesome pizza. If instead we permit the sushi model to exist in non-eucludian space we can accurately define a stuffed crust pizza with the sushi model by bending our dimensions. As a result of this the cheese-face interface is better described however it also must exclude the calzone model for describing a stuffed crust pizza.
Thank you for coming to my bullshit TED talk.
I realise that we have thus far only considered the crust as a separate entity, which is of course toroidal (and for which we should evidently add a new form to the model for - I would propose the 'doughnut'), however the full pizza with a stuffed crust is not - it has no hole. By compressing the centre of a calzone until the top and bottom faces meet we reach the full stuffed crust pizza. Perhaps we've been wrong all along...
By George I think you have it! Using radial coordinates and a calzone model a pizza is toast but a stuffed crust pizza is a calzone. How could I have never seen this before?! It's brilliant!
As are Big Macs.
Always as been
That's my big take away from this.
Bolognese flavoured cake with bechamel icing.
Club sandwich? Actually cake.
Welcome to topology where your mug is a toroid and the orientation matters a lot.
A single slice of stuffed crust would be a sushi attached to a toast. The ends are open once you cut it into a slice. A FULL stuffed crust would be a calzone and a toast.
Pizza being toast is acceptable to me
Lasagna is cake?
Always has been.
A burrito is a sushi
Not necessarily. A burrito can have one or both ends closed off. So it can also be a quiche or a calzone.
Does a burrito start as a calzone turn into quiche then finish life as a taco?
An enchilada is sushi?
Yeah that topology is probably better described as burrito
Burritos are closed on the ends, my Mexican food-challenged amigo.
Sometimes only one end, making them a quiche.
So Subway sells tacos? You learn something new every day.
I feel like taco is too specific and that there is a better word that covers tacos and submarines. I just can’t come up with the word…
So is a burrito a calzone or a quiche?
Depends on if it's entirely folded up or if one end is left open.
If the top of your burrito is open, you should find another taqueria.
No such thing as a convertible burrito.
The air all around me is salad!! Ahhhhh
I guess the air is a mixed salad of gas molecules...
Sounds like the kind of person who calls pizza "Italian rarebit" lol
Big Macs are cakes.
Meat cakes?
Goddammit. Quit leaving the croutons off my salad. I want to see some floating blue specks in there.
So I guess sashimi is a sandwich, but cannoli is sushi. Flawless logic.
Isn't sashimi a salad? Nigiri would be toast. Temaki would be a quiche.
A Big Mac is a cake?
Near enough
It's a club sandwich
At no point is pie taken into account here
Pie is quiche
I'll fuckin stab you
i mean. quiche is actually a pie. it's pie pastry filled with eggs and shit. it's a pie.
Yes. Is a pie a quiche? No.
Why?
Because quiche is a pie, a pie is not a quiche 🤨
Don't stab the messenger, I didn't make the rules.
Violence is never the answer, let's all grab sushi pizzas
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles spreading an entirely different message nowadays, huh
No, quiche is pie. Big difference.
Or a calzone, depending on the pie
So bread is toast I guess.
And all cake is comprised of at least three toast layers.
A bigmac is a cake
https://cuberule.com/
Wouldn’t a slice of stuffed crust pizza be sushi attached to toast as the slicing opens up the ends?
the cube rule identification theory is ridiculous and i have always said so
That's what makes it good
Yeah, salad theory is more comprehensive https://saladtheory.github.io/
Salad theory is rigid and respectable.
Cube rule of food identification exists to be disproven aggressively for comedy and arguing. It's a good time, until the person that believes it so truly they would kill and die to call a cheese roll up sushi arrives. They can make the conversation stressful.
This thread has been a trip
Is a tamale a calzone or sushi?
Calzone until you bite into it. Then it's a quiche. This is a good system and makes a lot of sense.
Probably calzone? I think a taquito might be sushi according to this
Just the tip?
A calzone, it doesn't really have open ends
I am always telling people this in the is-a-hotdog-a-sandwich debate, and this diagram makes it abundantly clear:
A hotdog is a taco.
But a taco is just a sandwich???
Nope! It has bread on three sides, so it's a taco.
Sandwiches only have bread on two sides.
I had a meatball sandwich today that had the same topology of a taco
What about triangular taco shells? That's just two sides.
Your hotdog buns have more structural integrity than mine.
If you tear the bun, you've got a sandwich on your hands for sure!
So chips are a salad? I knew it!
Pretty sure chips are toast in this diagram. Or maybe it depends if they are potato or tortilla chips.
It probably depends on the type chip. If they're the scoops tortilla chips, they would be quiche.
Scoop tortilla chips = Mini quiches
Math checks out
So a burrito is a calzone?
Until you bite it, then it becomes a quiche.
Bread bowl salads are quiches?
Bread bowl salads are monstrosities. Also, quiches.
If a hot dog wore pants...
Am I sushi?
Happy little sushi roll ;)
So a jelly donut is a calzone? And I guess a plate of nachos is cake?
Unironically yes
A plate of nachos might be a salad.
No it is more strictly a cake
A stuffed crust pizza is only a calzone attached to toast until you cut into it. At that point it becomes sushi attached to toast.
No no no, Hot Dog is a Quiche where I live
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/P%C3%A1rek_v_rohl%C3%ADku.jpg/900px-P%C3%A1rek_v_rohl%C3%ADku.jpg
Looks like sushi
Is every pie a quiche or is every quiche a pie?
Some pies are calzones.
Calzones are in the hand pie family along with Cornish pasties and empanadas
I didn't see those ones on the chart.
Hoagies are sushi, then?
Pigs in a blanket too
Quiche is pie. Not all pies are quiche
if they have lids they are calzones
In that comparison, I'd argue that buttered toast is a pizza.
A pierogi is a calzone then I guess
Humans are Salad.
Unless they are still digesting, than they are often salad with croutons.
Soup, chili, cereal; it's all just salad.
A corn dog is a calzone.
1: this dude doesn't know how calzones are made 2: calzones are sushi
Well this tracks since a dick is just a modified clit
Sushi is just made with sushi rice. It has literally nothing to do with the shape of the food.
So a Wellington is a sushi or calzone?
A calzone, the ends aren't open. A wellington is usually shown cut but that doesn't change its identification
Oops my sushi fell on its side and turned into quiche.
No it didn’t. Quiche is open on one end. Sushi is open on 2.
A chilli relleno is a quiche
Wouldn't a stuffed crust be sushi? It's a tube, it just connects until you slice the pizza
So... Pie and empanadas are calzone?
Yes. Pizza was always a lie.
And now I want calzone attached toast
Or stuffed crust is the sushi of the pizza
Pizza has crust walls. Pizza is quiche.
So deep dish pizza is quiche, thin crust is toast?
What about the Danish French Hotdog? Where does that fit in?
It's a tall quiche
The Structure purist is strong with this one
This implies that a steak is a salad.
I'd rename two categories.
Bottom right: I'd rather refer to a cake as "lasagna" than call lasagna a "cake"
Bottom left: if someone made a quiche without walled sides I'd still call it a quiche, so I'd rather call that category "pie"
This has the added bonus of making most pie people furious and some pizza people angry unless they like Chicago deep dish.
Isn’t “lasagna”, as we refer to it, technically a casserole made with layers of lasagne, cheese, and sauce? Not that “casserole” is a category, but I’m just being pedantic at this point, soz
I’ve always maintained that pizza is a tart rather than a pie
are flatbread and pitas toast?
Flatbread yes. Most people I know either stuff their pita or fold it, so that would be a taco?
Then a calzone is just a big taco
Imagine people thinking food cam be categorized consistently like that.
Food is cultural and historical; nothing outside of its preparation is scientific or internally logically consistent, so stop trying to force it to be.
A hot dog is a damn hot dog. Now stop arguing about it, and get this crap off of my feed
Sir this is a meme
I will continue to shiptoast, have a day
The usernames add a whole new layer to this thread. "Pink drunken elephant" having a serious and sober look at the conversation and how stupid it is, and "get off the drugs dude" happily continuing this bizarre and pointless conversation.
Adding fuel to the fire I see