Why would you hope it's only for europeans? Don't you think US servers deserve a liveable wage regardless of who buys the food?

I've never heard of someone willingly altering their behavior while also being enabled every step of the way.

If you actually read the article. It talks about how some resturants now add a NON OPTIONAL 20% "gratuity" to the bill.

Seems like they're already halfway there. All that's left is to include it in the price so people know what they're paying.

Funny how easy it was to "fix" the system.

So yeah. Looks like people not tipping actually was the solution.

Fighting back against what? Pay your employees.

Oh do fuck off with that. The customer isn't taking advantage of the worker or the resturant. The employer is taking advantage of the workers.

If it's not optional. Include it in the price up front so we all know what we're paying.

You think the people you’re not tipping had anything to do with that? You’re insane.

What the fuck are you talking about? You are aware that most people dont have unlimited funds right? Having to spend an extra $50-$100 on transport for each trip has to come out of the budget somewhere.

But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices? Because that's the obvious conclusion or what? No, I'm not insane. But you're an idiot stuck at a second grade reading level.

100% of their compensation is at my discretion. I'm paying for the meal. There was an advertised and agreed upon price of said meal.

When i go into a grocery store to buy milk. I'm not tipping my cashier for handling my transaction. I expect that to be included in the price of the products i buy.

The right thing. Is for the employer to pay their employees.

But you thought i suggested the waiters conspired to raise transport prices?

OH my mistake you’ve never experienced sarcasm before. Bless your heart you sweet summer child. Fucking christ.

Hey don’t get mad at me you’re the one blaming servers for what was it, bus prices or some dumb fucking bullshit? Fuck off lmao.

See, this right here is how i know you're not being sarcastic. That you genuinly thought it was the case.

I'm not blaming servers for anything. I'm blaming the US government. It's their fault things are the way they are. Not servers, not tourists.

This might sound radical to someone like you. But hear me out. If servers rely on a 20% tip on every meal. Why not just include that in the price for the start and it will never be a problem. You know, like how the rest of the world does it.

No, I just don't live in a shithole where service workers have to beg customers for extra donations juat to pay their bills.

Again. Having the fucked up system of people having to survive on handouts and donations from strangers is the problem. Not the tourists.

The only disconnect is that americans are bitching about tourists not tipping on lemmy, rather than bitching about servers having to rely on tips in the first place to their representatives.

The US vowed to offer free public transit for World Cup tourists in their bid to host it. Instead once push came to shove. They increased their prices instead of upholding what they promised.

Maybe more tourists would tip had their entire budget not been flipped on its head just weeks prior to the event.

Simple as.

Yes, because you know this, and you might just accept it as cost of doing business. But not everyone knows about this. And honestly, some might just forget as they're busy talking about the games or the stores or whatever else they want to go see and visit.

I also understand that's "how it works" in the US. I've visited plenty over the years.

But what I take issue with is when tourists are being blamed. Because they're not the problem. They contribute to additional profit for the resturant. The problem is the management that can get away with not paying their staff enough.

Tourists are not responsible for ensuring that everyone in the resturant are paid accordingly to survive. That's supposed to be the US governments job.

And how many of these 10 minute lookups do you think tourists have in them before they need to just get something to eat?

They would unironically have to catch their flights home before they find this magical US resturant that actually pay their staff a decent wage.

Nope. Healthcare is 99.99% paid for by the state. If you spend $200 for medication in a year, that's your cap. And the rest of your medication for the year will be $0.

Everyone have free dental until they turn 26.

Everyone is in a union.

Tuition to universities is $0.

All kids in elementary and secondary education recieve free school lunches, which in 99.99% of cases consists of an all you can eat buffet.

I could go on but I'm sure you get the point.

So what's your process? Please share. How many of the staff members do i need to ask if they are being exploited by their employer?

Do you ask the kitchen staff as well to get a more broad sample size?

No one is thinking that tourists will change your lack of labour laws. You're just feeling pissy because tourism for the Epstein Cup keeps highlighting everything fucked with the US. You, and this article are fantastic examples of what's wrong.

You're defaulting to blaming the tourists for not tipping, rather than the employers that dont pay their staff, or the legal framework that allows it to take place.

The resturants are all full with tourists. Clearly there's more than enough turnover and profit to pay staff with...

As for the last thing you wrote. I have no idea wtf you're talking about. Maybe you should check if your house/apartment has lead paint. That would explain a lot

So, every time I'm traveling abroad, and about to go into a resturant, i should pull aside someone and ask if they're being taken advantage of?

No. It's like the torturer calling the murderer wrong.

And you sit here being like "well, at least the torturer didn't kill anyone".

Spotify didn't start seeing yearly profits until 2024.

Twitter didn't see profits in a single quarter until 12 years after they started. And only went 2 years with actual profits from inception until they were bought out.

Took YouTube 9 years before they saw any profits.

Point being. It's very normal for big tech companies to not make money for quite some time. OpenAI isn't alone. It's the rule rather than the exception.

Will they go tits up? I don't know. Time will tell. But my guess is that investors will keep pumping in money for at least another 10 years.

If that's what you think, you severely underestimate how much money there is in the world.

Could you present a weaker strawman if you tried?

You aint solving hunger by stealing ribeyes crabs and lobsters.

Normal people that struggle financially seek help from the government, they go to food banks, there is help to get without having to resort to stealing.

You don't just wake up one morning and all of a sudden have to steal to survive. This isn't the US. (The hint is in the £ sign)

Yes, injustice is injustice. But there's something to be said about the pot calling the kettle black.

Like a robber telling the pickpocket he's wrong for stealing.