Goodbye Youtube and thanks for all the fish
Youtube let the other shoe drop in their end-stage enshittification this week. Last month, they required you to turn on Youtube History to view the feed of youtube videos recommendations. That seems reasonable, so I did it. But I delete my history every 1 week instead of every 3 months. So they don't get much from my choices. It still did a pretty good job of showing me stuff I was interested in watching.
Then on Oct 1, they threw up a "You're using an Ad Blocker" overlay on videos. I'd use my trusty Overlay Remover plugin to remove the annoying javascript graphic and watch what I wanted. I didn't have to click the X to dismiss the obnoxious page.
Last week, they started placing a timer with the X so you had to wait 5 seconds for the X to appear so you could dismiss blocking graphic.
Today, there was a new graphic. It allowed you to view three videos before you had to turn off your Ad Blocker. I viewed a video 3 times just to see what happens.
Now all I see is this.
Google has out and out made it a violation of their ToS to have an ad blocker to view Youtube. Or you can pay them $$$.
I ban such sites from my systems by replacing their DNS name in my hosts file routed to 127.0.0.1 which means I can't view the site. I have quite a few banned sites now.
Lol it was some Google employee's job for months to work on this anti AdBlock method and uBlock Origin bypasses it like same day
Don't assume ineptitude.
I've been in the position of being asked to implement an anti-feature. I made it take as long as possible to drive up the cost and designed it to be trivially bypassable because I'm not motivated to intentionally trash my own project.
I don't know who you are, or what you write, but thank you.
Subterfuge at work, a fun subject to study.
Some of my favorites from a declassified WWII "simple productivity sabotage" manual:
Insist on doing everything through "channels." Never permit short-cuts to be taken in order to expedite decisions.
Make "speeches." Talk as frequently as possible and at great length. Illustrate your "points" by long anecdotes and accounts of personal experiences.
When possible, refer all matters to committees, for "further study and consideration." Attempt to make the committee as large as possible — never less than five.
Bring up irrelevant issues as frequently as possible.
Haggle over precise wordings of communications, minutes, resolutions.
Refer back to matters decided upon at the last meeting and attempt to re-open the question of the advisability of that decision.
Advocate "caution." Be "reasonable" and urge your fellow-conferees to be "reasonable"and avoid haste which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on.
When I first saw these I was like goddamn, psyops got to my executive director!
Sounds like how work is done in large corps
Or public administration
Wow, most of these points just sound like a responsible way to handle all the bullshit requests from employees. I'm not saying make it unnessecarily painful for employees to request changes. However, I currently work at a company that did the "just do it" approach for years, got big with it and now our department needs to clean up the bullshit of many years to get the company up to code with whatever regulations we are under and people still think we can continue working just like that.
“Don't order new working materials until your current stocks have been virtually exhausted, so that the slightest delay in filling your order will mean a shutdown.”
See also: lean manufacturing
Sounds like how I buy shoes and jackets.
It’s I think the CIA sabotage handbook
OSS’s Simple Sabotage Field Manual, 1944 (declassified)
Good memory, it was the precursor to the CIA.
What's funny about this is all of this pretty much comes naturally when you're doing something you don't want to do without a reason to do it.
WWII changed their name to BMV I think.
Do you know if there is a book (extensive article) which covers that in detail?
CIA sabotage handbook, if I remember correctly
Thanks, I’ll take a look at.
OSS's Simple Sabotage Field Manual, 1944
There's a link at the top for the full pdf. And do note, OSS is Office of Special Services, the WWII precursor to the CIA - not Open Source Software lol.
Thanks (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Destroying them from the inside I see
Not all heroes wear capes, but you are a godsend!
the prejudice, assuming they don't wear a cape.
I always thought if youtube pushes the anti ad policy too hard they risk alienating the tech people who will end up on another platform which will start growing much faster. What they do is come up with half assed ad blocking. So casual people and people on locked systems like iPhone YouTube app are forced to watch ads.
Anyone not bothered by ads or Lacy enough will make Google money by watching ads. So they’re squeezing as much money without going too far. If they wanted to, they could have ads which would be unblock-able.
Based
Good guy.
90% chance the dev knew and didn't care
If only they could do the same for Twitch
Adblock solutions still exist for twitch. I'm using one right now. Never seen a single ultra intrusive pre-roll or full screen ad in months. Banner ads occasionally sneak through.
It does break every now and then for a week or so when twitch updates things, but still infinitely better than sitting through ads.
Which addon do you use because I've tried like all of them. They still manage to get thru
Ive had to dick around with my adblock settings once every few days lately.
Firefox + ublock origin = I haven't had to do anything for the last year and stuff just gets blocked with no downsides.
Yeah this is the way. I honestly forgot they had ads until I pulled a video up on my phone to show a friend the other day.
to clean a condom*
And don't forget to show your appreciation to the people who maintain that whole shebang - of course, only if you're able to. Sending here and there 10 bucks, for example to the Newpipe or libretube team - or to your resident open source adblocker - doesn't hurt, it's only a few clicks and it really makes a difference.
ublock origin doesn't accept donations, donate to filter list maintainers instead
How would one do this? I use ublock origin on Firefox, but I've started seeing the same pop-ups on YouTube the last few days and would love to get rid of them.
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We need more people like you in the world.
Sadly it looks like Google/Youtube have now circumvented Ublock again. After implementing the changes you suggested above, it got rid of the pop-ups on Youtube for me for a week, and now they're back and I can't get around them even after updating Ublock. Hopefully Ublock gets around these quickly.
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I'm sure that it'll just be an ongoing battle between Ublock & Youtube both updating themselves to get around the other. I've transferred over to watching more & more on Nebula as it's better for the creators, ad free, and way cheaper than Youtube Premium.
uBO! ublock is unrelated.
I had that problem as well, I had to make sure I didn't have any other blockers/privacy/enhancer addons that changed YouTube in some way, after that, ublock worked properly again.
Ah, I am also using Sponsorblock. That may be doing it.
That still works for me. I had to disable "Enhancer for Youtube" and the Firefox-internal "Enhanced tracking protection"
You're right. Sponsorblock still works, but I needed to disable my "Return Youtube Dislikes" extension. After that was turned off, all good!
wait, you can't use them together? I've been using them using them since last year and they still work fine together
Just with these latest new pop-ups that YouTube has implemented within the last couple weeks.
They worked fine in combination with one another until that.
Implying that deleting them from your view actually deleted them.
My man thought he was permanently erasing it from history.
Next you’ll tell me cognito mode isn’t keeping my browsing completely private! /s
How can my workplace admin block Pornhub even when I'm using private mode? He shouldn't even be allowed to see what I do privately!
I mean, this is mostly borne from a fundamental misunderstanding of what "Private Browsing" mode is and was meant to be.
When you open an incognito tab on Chrome, it literally says "Now you can browse privately, and other people who use this device won’t see your activity."
It also says
Fuck using Chrome and I'm not defending Google at all here, but they never once claimed Incognito was anything more than it was.
Pretty sure Firefox says that too. Users just don't read. Like, ever. They'll get an error message saying "Important!" and click whatever button seems most likely to make it go away before calling support and demanding they "fix the computer".
If the incognito mode is not keeping your browsing private, imagine the cognitive mode!
Surely they'll actually comply, not be caught in an audit years down the line and given a friendly "Now now, we talked about this: don't get caught breaking the law again!" slap on the wrist for failing to delete and instead further monetising that data?
Under GDPR and DMA, there would be real consequences. Like "being broken up or cease to exist" magnitude of consequences. Why would they risk it for the 1% of users who actually care and set their privacy settings accordingly?
Google doesnt care about you or anyones personal data. They care about the amount they collect. If the most privacy-aware users wrestle back some data and have it deleted, so be it. Google couldnt care less. Users are like cattle to them, as long as the general "data harvest rate" looks okay they wont investigate the odd one out.
Forgive me for being cynical about the odds of those consequences actually being enacted. Giving the courts a weapon for getting such companies in line is one thing, getting the judges to actually fire it another.
A law is only ever as good as its enforcement.
If I'm wrong, of course, I'll be glad to learn that. I've just run out of optimism halfway through adolescence.
Check this out:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Schrems
Facebook (and the complicit Irish Data Protection Comission) thought so too, an were rekt.
The case invalidated 2 seperate "safe harbor" agreements between the EU and the USA, making ANY data transfer of EU customers private data to the USA illegal without explicit consent. It was literally pandemonium in the IT sector for a few months, everyone was running stuff in US clouds and panicking.
This is what makes the EU high court (ECJ/EuGh) special: noone can pressure them politically. They couldn't care less what anyone but EU law says.
And that was "just" GDPR, now they have way more EU laws (DMA, DSA) they can throw at FAANG.
Huh. Neat. Thanks for that!
This isn't some trivial information like your precise location history, this is serious.
doesn't even matter. what matters is the meta data. if the data from the list say you like science videos with emphasis on electrical engineering, star wars podcasts and mmorpg let's plays - does that data go away apon history deletion. what about meta-meta data. if the meta data puts you on group X that receive content Y, does that go away apon history deletion. and what kind of integration does that get with the rest of the google knowledge about you...
I doubt turning off history truly does what it says either though. I think it was more about avoiding the shitty algo recc's that try to turn everyone's dad and uncle into a far right extremist.
All the morons defending a mindless corporation in this thread forgot that Google has far overstepped it's boundaries in general. It got to where it is from harvesting free data from users. And now is initiating a web DRM that will far overstep any boundary seen. If a website decides to adopt it, everyone is screwed.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/
“You can go ad free with YouTube premium!”
Buys premium
youtube shows ad for paramount plus under my video
Cancels YouTube premium.
So anywho there’s a thing called freetube. Just saying. Idk that it’s a perfect alternative, but it’s at least one step further from googles prying eyes and grubby hands.
Tbh, I block ads when I can but have a hard time getting angry about this. YouTube is both incredibly useful and incredibly expensive to operate -- seriously, what other service lets you upload hours of HD video which anyone in the world can access instantly, indefinitely, for free, and at the same scale YT does? It's a peerless engineering marvel and it would be a tragedy if it were to shut down. If seeing some short skippable ads is what it takes to keep that resource viable, that's honestly pretty fair.
I just pay for YouTube Premium. It gets me YouTube Music, so for slightly more than the cost of Spotify I get music streaming and ad-free YouTube, and the channels I watch on YouTube get more value out of my streaming than if I watched with ads. And far more than if I watched with an adblocker.
Google Play Music was so much better than YouTube Music, unfortunately, but YouTube Music is still usable.
I understand that everyone hates ads. I hate ads, too. But video streaming and content creation aren’t free. I want to support the platform and support the creators whose content I enjoy, and I don’t want ads. So YouTube Premium seems like the easy option.
I’ll admit I make good money. I work in software.
But I’ve been paying that since before I was making good money. Again, this is my music streaming platform. I would be paying $10/month to Spotify if I weren’t paying $14/month to YouTube.
(Actually I looked into my subscription while typing this, and I’m still paying the grandfathered price of $9.99/month for YouTube Premium. Pretty sweet, that.)
FYI, that grandfathered price goes away after December
That's a shame, but the benefits still outweigh the cost in my mind. I hate ads, so what I get out of a YouTube Premium subscription is far more than what I get from Netflix or Max.
(And I realize I can get all of this for free by going around the TOS, but if I have the money I might as well support the service.)
AdGuard and Vinegar on safari, uYouPlus from Altstore
Not really being reasonable. I don't make much above min wage but buy YT Premium
Its reasonable for a lot of us
Vivaldi browser just came out for iOS and has Adblock support. So does Firefox focus. Also, invidious/piped is always an option.
Using AdGuard and Vinegar to use YouTube in Safari, I can’t remember when I last saw an ad. It’s not ideal, but it works well enough.
But your "solution" sounds like you don't contribute at all. Especially none of the content creators gets a dime out of your consumption.
If you are broke you are better off using your time outside fediverse or social media to make extra money.
I mind my own business earning money.
Unlike you.
Be more keyboard warrior please.
Ads should be separate from content and not interfere with it. Ad blockers likely wouldn't be a thing if this were followed. Also, ad networks are a security issue. Host them on your own servers with relationships with advertisers if you must have them.
The way ads are displayed effects how effective they are which in turn effects how valuable they are. More people turning to adblockers reduces the effectiveness of the ads and devalues the advertising method as a whole, more adblockers being used, lower effectiveness. YouTube then has to resort to putting in effort to combat adblockers which itself costs even more, ads have to become more intrusive to retain their value so YouTube can maintain it's own servers and pay it's content creators and it becomes an endless cycle of "fuck you I want your service for free and you are trampling my rights for trying to profit off me using your product". In return all YouTube asks of you to obtain an ad-free video watching session for a month is $4 ($22/month split among 6 users)
The tragedy is that the centralized, profit-driven, socially-damaging platform keeps so much value under ransom because the parent company can operate it for so long at a loss.
I get that the platform is a marvel, it's just disappointing that its purpose is tailored to keep eyes watching more ads rather than contribute to society as a whole.
I would have more sympathy for Youtube if 1. it wasn't the de-facto standard where essentially all video media gets uploaded to (which Youtube itself has done everything in its power to make happen) and 2. the company that owned it didn't also own the most popular phone OS, most popular search engine, most popular email provider, most popular ad network, most popular maps, most popular online office suite, most popular airline booking, 2nd most popular cloud hosting... The list goes on
Until a federated solution like peertube gains more traction I have no problem paying content creators directly via patreon, and do everything in my power to not pay Google a dime. Trust me, they can afford it just fine.
I only looked into blocking ads sometime around like 2014-2016? I was perfectly fine with them for a very long time, they got more and more invasive and poor quality to the point I looked into blocking them. Haven't gone without an ad blocker ever since. No way in hell am I dealing with the current state of YouTube ads which are drastically worse than what pushed me to start blocking them to begin with.
What angers me is the capital deciding to control everything. Enshittifying ads, pushing narratives, censoring valuable content. If it were a worse service but with better owners, I'd pay more.
Norway, Sweden, Austria, Hungary, Luxembourg, and others have it as part of law that Works Councils get 33% of the seats on the board of directors, and employees are elected to take up those roles. In Slovenia, Germany, and Slovakia, it is as high as 50%. That's the kind of ownership we should demand and then some, where average people get to have a say in what's going on at YouTube. Then maybe we'd get more ethical business decisions and choices we'd be more on board with.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_representation_on_corporate_boards_of_directors
This reminds me of how certain universities in the US allow space for Student Senate representatives so that the student body directly has influence on the outcomes of the university. Great idea really
Wow I didn't know. Thanks!
The issue is that ads on YouTube used to be fairly innocuous. Now I get batshit conspiracies pushed, non-stop Aussie gambling ads and so on.
Where I was once happy to sit through some food ads, or some tourism ads to support the platform. I'm not happy being blasted with non-stop, low-quality propoganda.
Granted the $22 family plan for me and my wife has worked well. We both use youtube music extensively as well. It's the only streaming service I pay for, the only other subscription I have is for a VPN.
If google cant afford youtube, they could sell it. But they easily can, so Im not losing sleep over the $2 a week they lose from me.
Or, alternatively, if the ads were reasonable, next to no one would feel any real obligation to block them. But they arent, so why should I be concerned about the sites funding?
Like, google isnt some poor struggling indie dev who cant make ends meet. Im not exactly overflowing with sympathy for their business decisions. Theyre the reason adblock is required for modern internet use.
Perhaps ads become more unreasonable because so many people block them that those who do watch them are forced to pick up the slack?
No, it's just following the curve, until their metrics show them that people stop watching they reduce the number of ads 10% until next cycle.
They have been using the frog boiling method, and crossed my limit like two years ago, when they went from a 5 second ad each x videos to two ads for every video.
When businesses are required to increase profits by 30% every year to not be seen as a failure, they would increase the ads no matter how many of the users watch them.
The problem is that YouTube went from "short skippable ads" to almost all ads. It also is a major invader of privacy.
Reminder that YouTubers control how many ads are on a video and until last year or so you could even host video and have it served to millions with zero ads. Now the minimum is one skippable pre roll but like shit costs money to serve 20 million people an hour log 4k video.
I share the same sentiment but I can see why someone might want to not support Youtube in any way because they don't want to support Google's stranglehold on the internet. Unfortunately the correct way to address that problem is sensible regulation. Call me skeptical, but that's not gonna happen anytime soon.
The amount of ads on YouTube only seems to get more and more invasive over time. And I'd have less of a problem with them if they didn't keep showing me the same ads over and over and over again.
Even with all that, I would pay (subscription wise, not like I haven't rented/bought movies from them) if I actually knew where the money was going. YouTube is surely expensive to operate, but we don't know how much money it costs to actually run it vs how much money is extracted via executives and shareholders.
If you read around you'll find (perhaps surprisingly to you) that YouTube operates at a loss. So in response to your points:
You can pay to get the ads removed. They make less money off of you when they can't serve you ads, and I'm sure they're trying to operate at less of a loss.
Alphabet is a public company, and it must release certain information about YouTube. Anyways, I'm pretty sure they aren't using the money to directly line the shareholder profits. The reality of it is that it's probably just another arm that Alphabet uses as part of its monopolistic tech deathgrip, so it's not gonna be a straightforward computation. Maybe Disney could be used as a metaphor here?
If you don't wanna pay to support that, I don't exactly blame you. But practically, I don't really agree/expect that YouTube should serve you content (or even more so, people with aggressive adblockers) without you giving something in return. Either you eat ads, you pay for a subscription, or you become the product (unfortunately this last point might be true irregardless).
Basically every tech company "operates at a loss" because of overzealous growth and money going to their investors/parent company/shareholders. I've never seen a detailed breakdown of any tech company's financials released publicly, so I doubt there's any way to prove this one way or another.
Genuinely I'd be interested in seeing a source for this since every metric I've seen from third parties is that ad free purchases gives them waaaaaay more money per user compared to the tiny RPU from ads. But maybe Google being its own ad provider changes that
Never said I was owed anything by them, just that I have no moral or ethical qualms continuing to use adblock on a giant corporation
Where do you read that Youtube is operating at a loss? The last article I can find mentioning that is from something like 10 years ago.
In the last few years they have split Youtube income out of the overall income and it's not like they aren't making money with it - roughly $7B in the last report I can find.
Let's not forget that the strategy of operating at a loss is arguably anticompetitive and monopolistic - not every company has the luxury of doing that, making it extremely difficult to compete against them. Seems pretty clear, with the incessant ads, that they've accomplished the first step in that and are rounding the corner to extracting capital from their users now. So they're not exactly a benevolent actor in this either.
Just like a few of the other posts, I honestly don't get it. If they can't sell your data and can't serve you ads, then why would they want to spend money serving you for free? There's so many people complaining how YouTube has a monopoly and how it's not even that hard to run, but I seriously doubt these people. Transcoding video and distributing it worldwide while having automated moderation is not easy or cheap. If there were serious contenders in the space people would have moved on, and I don't think it's just the network effect that keeps YouTube as a dominant player here.
People despise ads, but then they want content for free. They use adblockers to bypass a primary revenue source for a website, then go all surprised Pikachu face when that website doesn't welcome them. And then they get upset that they don't want to be the product despite not willing to be a source of ad revenue. I'm willing to pay for YouTube premium (and other subscription models to get rid of ads), but a lot of people aren't. And honestly, I really would rather those people simply leave the site. It would lower operating costs for YouTube (I don't expect my subscription fees to go down but maybe their engineers will have more free time to work on features besides adblocker-blocking), and more people on different sites would lead to more competition.
If you aren't willing to eat ads, and you aren't willing to be the product, and you aren't willing to pay a subscription, then why do you think you're entitled to content?
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YouTube still pays creators pretty high comparatively (55% of ad revenue according to https://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-influencers-get-paid-on-instagram-tiktok-youtube). You are simply getting a service (hosted, searchable, collection of the largest collection of web videos in an extremely nice interface) that costs money even outside of the creator's cost. For creators they are allowing that 45% cut of ad revenue to get access to the YouTube audience, paid hosting that simply works, nice creator tools, etc.
You can state that it's a valueless thing that anyone could replicate, but the evidence is that there aren't many alternatives that do better. Today we do have things like PeerTube (which I think all creators should consider selfhosting with ads/subscriptions and federating the free stuff after a delay) and joining creator owned video services like Nebula (which could be made even better with federation). Unfortunately, with both you run into the discoverability problem, something creators and their audiences are paying to solve when you are hosting on YouTube.
I'd take your argument further back on the sourcing of getting content to you - why should you pay for internet service when it's the content of the videos you watch not the wires that deliver it that have value? If you hacked around your neighbors WIFI to get some free network access, you could zero-cost get something you might not necessarily want to budget for, and you get quite a nice service out of it. Why shouldn't that be okay when you still Patreon the creators of your videos given your reasoning about YouTube providing no value?
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They shouldn't. If they can't figure out how to make money with it they should close it down. If they insist on thinking about it as a product and it doesn't make money, it's a product that doesn't make sense and should not exist. If the only way you can make people use your product is by giving it away, what does that tell you about it?
They could lock down the platform behind paywall but they don't want to do that. They want to have their cake and eat it too. They want all the free videos being uploaded but they don't like all the free viewers. Unfortunately they go hand in hand.
You CANNOT pay for your content there, even if you want to.
Has it never occurred to you that YouTube gets all their content FOR FREE?
You can only pay to make Google even richer. That's all your money can do there. Nothing else.
Perhaps YouTube gets all their content for free, but it certainly isn't free to transcode video, host it reliably, and distribute it while moderating it (given how bad Twitter is right now I'm sure they have a decent number of measures in place, even if they aren't even "good" at it). And if it was remotely easy, believe me, there would be a lot of competition in this space.
Yes, I make Alphabet x dollars richer (or really, I make YouTube operate at a slightly lesser cost) every month by paying a subscription. And actually, I'm okay with it. A tiny cut of it goes to content creators and I get a nice piece of tech. And I support the branch of Alphabet that has technology that I think is incredibly useful and beneficial. If there's a content creator that I like especially then I'll support them directly.
The reality of it is that things cannot be free. Or at least it seems that way, because we have not been able to provide a free video hosting service that doesn't take advantage of its content creators or consumers.
No. That was my point. Don't you know their business model? The creators get a tiny share of the paid ads on their video, and they get nothing at all if there are no ads playing on their video. They can never get a share from your payment.
Where are you getting the information that YT doesn't pay out creators for Premium views?
Google claims they do. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7060016?hl=en#:~:text=How%20YouTube%20Premium%20supports%20creators,monthly%20membership%20fee%20with%20creators.
A search over Reddit would indicate creators actually make more money from premium views than regular ones, but that's hearsay.
You’re overthinking things. I click one button once and I never see ads, for years at a time without needing to tweak it at all. This is also completely free to set up and completely legal.
The fact of the matter is that this technology exists, and they can do nothing to stop it. Despite this, they continue to rely on the ad supported model. Curious, no?
Because if I post a link to a video and as a result someone sees an ad —or better, signs up for premium—then boom, they just made a profit. There is of course a critical threshold of adblockers where this no longer works but we’re not near it yet so they won’t change their revenue model.
Note: I am not taking a moral high ground here, just pointing out how it works. Yes, you are subsidizing me, thanks for that.
Well, the devil is in the details. People like you, who has actually figured out how to use an adblocker properly for YouTube, and me, who is willing to actually pay for YouTube premium (you're welcome for the subsidy), surely form a small proportion of the actual number of YouTube content consumers.
Maybe I'm wrong, but my view is that the majority of users just want to watch videos without having ads and they aren't willing to devote time (for adblockers) or money (for subscription services) and are completely ignorant that they are the product regardless. And those users act like they are entitled to content and that leaving YouTube is somehow significant to the big picture.
I totally agree. I am a Youtube Premium user for this exact reason. No ads means less financial incentive to track me (I remember a statistic where one user was worth 4cents per year, could be wrong about the exact number though). In a perfect world we would habe monetization networks instead of ad networks, on a pay per view or subscription model instead of ads. This would not only make the companies more money, but also reduce the incentive for them to track you (I would even claim that unnecessary tracking would hurt their business).
We can either have a free (as in no costs) or a free (as in liberty) internet, not both
They are still tracking you though. Removing ads is a reason to pay for YouTube premium, but it's not to get less tracking. Less tracking is not the selling point or service offered by YouTube premium.
That’s because they still have a financial incentive to do so: Google doesn’t offer a fully paid version of their service
They're definitely still tracking their premium users, I agree. But my counterpoint is, what business, online or not, doesn't track me? If I go out and buy something at a retail store I'm gonna bet my ass I'm being tracked. If I don't want to be tracked, then I should be making sure information I consider to be sensitive is not being exposed. If there is no reasonable expectation to privacy in the public, then I think it's fit that there's no reasonable expectation to privacy when I'm surfing the internet.
Read the comment I responded to. They said YouTube premium provides them with less incentive to track them. I'm informing them that is not the benefit of paying for YouTube premium. Too many people mistakenly believe paying means they stop being the product.
In a sense I agree with that piekay though. If they can't serve me targeted ads on YouTube they lose that money trying to develop technology to track me in that regard. How much money that is I guess is hard to say, since the tracking on YouTube certainly can carry over to other parts of Alphabet.
I'm not sure how having a paid account is supposed to lead to less tracking when the algorithm meant to push viewers into a viewing loop is made possible by tracking. Accounts with more information make for more useful demographic data.
Not having ads is a benefit of YouTube premium, but less tracking is not a benefit when there is a reason to track even without ads. For better products and surveillance. There is less reasons to not track.
No ofence but if thats your pov on the situation (a very valid one btw) you would be better of subscribing to youtube premium. You suport them directly, and dont really get the short end of the stick on mobile like evryone else that isnt paying or isnt a power user. They still colect your data incluiding browsing and watching habits, but you wont get bombarded with terrible ads and get some nice perks as a plus.
Agreed. I'll fuck around with the workarounds for as long as they work but once YouTube truly manages to make adblocking a complete headache I'll just switch to a Indian ip-address and buy a cheap premium. I've been watching tens of thousands of hours of ad-free content on that site for as long as it has existed. I can't, with a straight face, complain about the fact that they would like to make some money from it too.
I've thought about doing this, but worry about it fucking up my recommendations, which I'm actually pretty happy with. Do you know if that's an issue?
I don't know, but I doubt it's an issue. Your recommendations are probably mostly based on your watch history and not location.
My problem is that I paid for YouTube premium, for “an ad free experience” in their words. Then I immediately had an ad for paramount plus embedded under my video.
So I canceled and they can go fk themselves. I was willing to support them directly, but they straight up lied about what I was buying from them.
I think we attribute different meanings to the word "tragedy". Stuff such as tutorials and documentaries (and, you know, books...) have existed well before YouTube was even conceived and will exist after it disappears, not taking into account that 90% of YouTube is just clickbaity videos with the stupid "surprised face" thumbnail anyway. YouTube is given too much credit for what it is and it is frankly overrated as a source of reliable information.
The real tragedy is the unhealthy addiction to YouTube of such a huge amount of people seem to have developed.
Look at all the free image / video services that either never took off or went bust. Especially streaming is quite expensive and isolating only this single aspect of Youtube - cost to operate: what do people expect? Everybody wants few to no ads at all and no subscription either.
As I said, I don't want to even touch any other topic here like Youtube's (perceived) quality or their (spicy) business decisions. If you don't like the product, don't use it. There is no right to free consumption of entertainment videos. Imagine paying for a taxi like you (don't) pay for Youtube.
And if you know better, start your own platform.
LBRY does.
So, stop using Chrome ffs, ublock and Firefox have zero issues
YouTube: starts putting 2, sometimes even 3 ads that are often unskippable before and in the middle of 10 minute videos
Also YouTube: Why are people using adblockers?
If you're on PC use Firefox with uBlock Origin.
For Android, Im personally using Libretube but using mobile Firefox with uBlock Origin also works.
Ublock Origin literally works fine for youtube. If you ever receive a warning like this just clear your cache and refresh your filters.
PC: Install Firefox. Then install these extensions: Sponsorblock for YouTube, Enhancer for YouTube, uBlock Origins with all the filters turned on except the language filters (you can use them if you wish) and Return YouTube Dislike. Keep uBlock Filters updated by checking for filter updates once a day.
Android: There's Revanced. I use pre-built apks along with Vanced MicroG from RVX Lite in Telegram.
Android TV: Install SmartTubeNext.
Enjoy.
Just to let you know, if you use uBlock you can expect it to adapt to this new shenanigan pretty quickly. Also I think €120/year are ridiciously overpriced. Ask me about €30/year and I might consider it for a second.
To be honest, I wouldn't mind ads on Youtube if they were less per hour and less obnoxious. But no, every 12 second video now has an ad leading to it.
Not to mention, if I would pay for every single Video service the usual 8-15€ I would pay like €1000 per year and THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Give me "pretty much everything" for €100 per year and we can talk. My offer stands.
You don't have a choice.
Also Ublock Origin on Firefox already bypass this.
When they take out uBlock Origin, they take me out as well.
If only peertube had the same culture as Lemmy and Mastodon.
But it feels like, imo, Peertube has fallen to the same pitfalls as other YouTube alternatives. 99% of vids I see on Peertube instances are far-right conspiracy theory videos among other obviously abhorrent content that would otherwise be banned on youtube.
Newpipe is still working great, I haven't used an official interface in like 3 years.
Lmfao, no one is dropping YouTube. You'll be back one way or another.
They're begging for a direct competitor.
Firefox + ublock origin is the way forward.
However, as a teacher, my school IT system default browser is chrome, and adverts on YT videos when you're trying to teach a lesson can really suck all the momentum and attention from the class.
Chrome allows you to save javascript as a bookmark URL called bookmarklets. I'm not so clued up on java, but I found this code that zips through the adverts super quickly. Someone can probably improve on this;
ublock, revanced, newpipe and more
Ohhhh how I wish my favorite youtubers would create their own Peertube instances...
They'd have complete control of their own content, and any donations could go directly to them.
I know it's kind of a pipe dream, but let me dream dammit.
I enjoy watching YouTube with no ads so I bought premium. I actually bought the family one and share it with 4 others. Personally, I find it to be a great deal.
I also pay for extra storage (even tho I have a nas) because it’s convenient to have.
I’m a pirate at heart, have a 3k movie library on Plex and use nefarious to queue download, and I’m a long time crypto nut so I understand privacy and sticking it to the man.
But I also find great quality of life improvements by simply paying fair prices for good content 🤷♂️
It’s a fun hobby to try and dodge ads and steal and stick it to these companies. But really can be time consuming and gets old (it did at least for me when I got old).
I hate ads as much as anyone and have been blocking them for almost as long as ad blockers have existed. I still acknowledge the fact that ads are the primary revenue source for a lot of things on the Internet, and I selectively enable them for content I want to pay for.
How do you think Youtube is supposed to survive without ads or subscriptions? When they puts ads on their site, the unsaid agreement is that you exchange your ad views for their service.
Route to 0.0.0.0 instead, localhost gives a delay while zero just fails.
I haven't seen so many shills in one place since the Russian special military operation began.
The new word for "whitelisted" is "allowlisted"?
ublock origin + Firefox still works. try open ublock origin dashboard > Filter lists then click the purge all cachess button
If you're on a browser, use invidious - https://api.invidious.io/
If you're on android, use NewPipe - https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/
Fuck google with the entire alphabet and their graveyard of ideas
uBlock Origin is quite apt in not showing any of that. I am thankful for the creator's attentiveness.
Ad blockers are an existential threat to Google. They are - at the core - an ad company.
RIP
And nothing was lost...
I've literally never gotten any message like that I've been using a blocker forever.
I'll play devil's advocate here... Ads pay revenue. Revenue pays for the service. The service pays content creators. I'm not saying Youtube is perfect, but adblocking, or using alternate front ends, hurts the content creators first. Youtube Premium gets rid of the ads, pays the content creators more, and gets you a spotify-type music streaming service as well. I'm not trying to shill, but the deal is pretty fair, it's only $3 more than spotify, and you get 0 ads on youtube as a bonus. If you really don't want to see and you don't want to pay for it, then please, don't use the service. Youtube still gets data from you, even if you block ads. You want to hurt them, then do it the right way. Blocking ads hurts the creators more than anyone else.
Edit: Every day I am reminded of how many people believe they are owed everything for free.
I'll start giving a shit about youtubes bottom line when youtube starts caring about the creators bottom lines. Youtube fucks creators so god damn hard.
Just look at this for example' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-QtwGfILTo
Jesus Christ, man. I said Youtube isn't perfect. It's a fucking corp. They should burn the board of directors at the stake. HOWEVER, creators still rely on payment from them.
And???????? Nobody owes anybody a fucking ad view. If you like the channel there are many ways to support most if not all.
Patreon, other donation venues, shit even fucking memberships on or off YT. You say you aren’t shilling yet you desperately want their ad campaigns to continue pushing forward?
You don’t have to give YT any data, look at Piped and other alts
And the creators know how Google could pull the rug at any moment. This is why they also have sponsorships, which is a more stable revenue stream not dictated by Google's greedy whims.
Okay it's clearly imperfect but I don't see other similar platforms doing any better (most are doing much worse, e.g TikTok/Twitch)
A decentralized alternative would be nice but, I don't see many ad-block users out here donating their own $ to these projects
That is because Google just buys up any competition they can.
Ehhhh I’m not so sure. Adblockers don’t stop on-air reads, for starters. I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong but I’m also not sure it’s impacting the creators as much as it impacts YouTube’s vacuuming our telemetry data.
And you know what? I watch on-air reads, when they're good. Simon Whistler does a great job, so does Aging Wheels, and Jay Foreman, and a bunch of others. You want me to watch an ad, all you have to do is make it entertaining. That's clearly possible, because some people do it.
That's where everyone gets ad data wrong. Youtube doesn't really care if you watch an ad or not. The ad buyers do, and so Youtube keeps them happy by doing things like disallowing adblockers, but Youtube doesn't give a shit about BolexForSoup. Your age, your sex, your location, and the last time you upgraded the Macbook you are logging onto their site with, that's what they want to know. They want to sell your data, not you. They will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to the pile and sell the whole pile. No one will care who you are. You are the product, and Youtube just needs to make sure your ingredient label is correct.
They charge ad buyers per imoression. They care if you see and especially if you click on the ad.
Exactly. And I like to keep it as opaque as possible! If a creator does an ad read, I watch it. Idgaf.
Look at what you're defending.
I liked youtube more back when it was random personally created videos, not 'creators' making commercial content pretending to be run out of someone's basement.
I would say that ads like YT's are the kind that pushed adblockers into being popular. Well, that and redundant/audio/popups ads that are annoying. Sometimes I turn off the adblocker and generally it's an immediate mistake.
I know it wouldn't be a large portion of content (though having control over the final look could widen the appeal), but I think Google could've gotten vector content supported in HTML5 spec (in collaboration with software, and maybe some kind of automated conversion to hybrid video) and thus supported on YT. It can be significantly less data for high-fidelity visuals, and unlike rendered video it's the same data for 720p as it'd be for someone with a 16K monitor or whatever in 20+ years from now.
Actually reducing costs in this manner would probably be too generous to competitors, just as Flash being killed off was good for YT. AV1 does help, but is still likely a big resource cost to store/serve at 4K+ (or just in general) not to mention re-encoding hardware and knowledge needed.
Kinda just like how WEBGL tech didn't actually include a container format (the reason why so much Flash content was easily archived by normal people) as it does not benefit content hosts to allow downloads (even if it'd lower cost of repeat viewings particularly by users who don't actually provide the host with revenue).
This is why you don’t use YouTube at all and use Piped or similar services.
Fuck YT and fuck their strong-arming ad bullshit.
Youtube gets free content that it has full rights to use however it likes. Google takes that free content and uses it everywhere on the internet, to make fistfuls of cash. The ads are just bonus garnish.
I really dont care about youtubes bonus garnish, no matter how hard you "totally arent shilling, guys!"
Its not free. They harvest your data and sell that. Ad revenue is secondary. And all of this is ran by the most powerful company in history. Adblock doesnt even put a dent in Google's profits. And content creators? Ad revenue is basically dead now that YT is pushing for child friendly content. And they make millions in corporate deals and have patreons and direct donations in addition to being able to work a stable job in addition to making videos.
This isnt being "owed" anything. Im already paying with my privacy.
And even if I wasnt already paying, fuck Google. Evil company that more than deserves loosing the $0.02 my ad viewership would have earned.
Not really. Youtube is already profitable. They're trying to test if people's standards are low enough for them to make even more profit.
The fact you think this equates to 'owed everything for free' just shows me what a proud rube you are.
You're expresing the most common opinion in the thread. Your not a devils advocate especially when you start to whine openly about replies that have differing opinion than your own.
Script blocking > Ad Blocking. Block all of the tracking scripts, all of the ad-aware stuff, disable redirects and scripts embedded in the ad frames, bypass script-based paywalls, etc. It is a pain in the ass to go to a new site and have to figure out who the 20 domains are that are trying to load scripts, but finding those tracking fuckers and hitting "distrust" is so satisfying. I swear that any ads I do see are so all over the map because nobody knows who the hell I am and I like it that way.
How does one quit YouTube?
There is just so much stuff on there and no alternative.
NewPipe on Android works to block that shit just fine. As for Firefox, adblockers still work just fine. Once again, good luck Google lol
Odd, I have uBlock Origin and it’s blocking the ads without any pop ups or angry messages
I just tried it out, watched three videos (one was 49 minutes) and nothing. I use Firefox with NoScript and U-Block (also Enhancer for Youtube, but I doubt that's relevant). I wouldn't have know this was happening if no one posted about it.
You WILL watch the Grammarly and Liberty Mutual ads. Just like the movie scene in A Clockwork Orange.
Hear me out: Google makes money by selling ads. People who buy from those ads don't have an adblocker installed. People who are intelligent enough to block ads wouldn't buy from them anyway. If Google allows it to be too easy to block ads then their model collapses. I'm ok with jumping through a couple hoops to continue to block and Google doesn't lose anything while I get to still watch the content I like without wasting anyone's time. It's to Google's benefit to serve videos to only people who will actually buy that crap anyway. If Google or anyone wants to sell to me, they simply have to make a great product. If they do, I'll see it in use for it's intended purpose and buy it. For example, I didn't have to watch any ads to buy a Nintendo Switch years ago...
I got this notification today for the first time. I cleared the catche on my filter lists and it seems to have solved the issue - for now.
I use it between half an hour and two hours every day. And I can afford it. So this is what I do. It’s worth far more than Netflix to me.
Try using FreeTube
I see a lot of people saying X and Y are safe. Eventually nothing will be safe. All they have to do is require login to view content. Make login require CC or SMS then enforce a ratio of content played over time.
Price wise, they're just insane. It's all B-Rate content for more then the price of any other streaming service.
You don't know how to use ublock origin so you're abandoning the most useful and entertaining platform on the entire internet?
I use YouTube for tutorials, education, and entertainment all the time. And YouTube music is how I listen to all my music.
I've been paying for the YouTube premium version for my family since day one.
Recently they took away my grandfathered-in pricing. It really costs me a ton of money.
But I remember that I'm keeping ads off my screens, my parents' screens, and my kids screens... And we all use YouTube music all the time.... So...
Yeah, a lot of money, but honestly, probably the best subscription I have.
I could never go back to ads.
What country are you from? I use Ublock Origin + Malwarebytes on MS Edge and haven't seen any warning like that
I either pay to use the app or I get ads that pay for the platform to continue being used but I don't want to see the ads so my ad blocker blocks the ads.
A company is going to continue making revenue. I don't know why anyone is shocked by a company that makes ads changing a site to ask you to view more ads. Genuinely baffled that users waste their time complaining about something a big trillion dollar company owns and actively runs changing their platform to continue making them trillions of dollars then getting on here and going, "take that Google I am fed up."
Meanwhile, I have just been paying for YouTube premium with no ads supporting the content creators I love and moving on with my life.
EDIT: These comments are why Lemmy isn't growing.
This calls for DEFCON enshittification talk
It should be "So long YouTube and thanks for all the fish." Goddammit!
If you're going to borrow from Douglas Adams, at least get it right.
I dual boot and in Windows they are blocking me now. In Linux, I am not seeing the message. So it's not IP based. I run Firefox in both instances.
The enshitification of youtube is complete. Nothing stopping them from just upping the rate and duration of ads to the stratosphere.
i've still never seen this message outside of a screenshot; ublock origin in firefox (including tor browser, just need to hit the new circuit button sometimes) still works fine as of today. and so does yt-dlp.
the fact that some ad blockers are seeing this is a bad sign though :(
Copy URL, alt+F2, mpv 'paste URL'.
I use FreeTube on my desktop and Newpipe on my GrapheneOS Pixel 7, I don't see any ads or graphic overlays. The family uses AppleTV and the YouTube app is a horrible experience with the amount of ads, even for a 3 minute video. Future project is to look into Pihole or something to block ads at the router level.
Sometimes I forget people like watch YouTube on purpose. I pretty much exclusively use it for music that's not on Bandcamp, short clips of old shows, and the occasional guide for something that's too visual to be described well in words.
Old man out of the loop, yells at clouds.
I use SmartTubeNext on a Fire TV and it works fine.
It even skips over in-video ads.
I will let you know but I haven't have issues with ad blocker on PC yet
Web ads are ableist.
Is it enshittification, or how the Internet should work for commercial services? Youtube isn't publicly funded. You either pay for the product or become it in exchange for use.
Use Invidious while it still exists as a project I'm a fan of the yewtu.be instance. Pretty reliable. The Piped project is good as well. Don't even use the YouTube domain at all, hate giving them analytics and site usage info nevermind ads
Here is my take on this.
First, I am with OP on this, but with mild counter points:
In the same vein, I wait Netflix to raise their price again (I bit the bullet twice) but there won't be a third time.
Same for Spotify.
Those services should realize they are not essential, just bare useful, and should be priced as such.
Just my 2cts.
Something I don't think anyone is talking about is that, if this is now considered a ToS violation, Google will probably decide at some point to start banning accounts over it. Oh, you use adblock? Now your email, Drive documents, and photos are gone.
I finally bit the bullet and switched from Chrome to Firefox last night after they flagged my adblock for YouTube as malware and forcefully disabled it. Fuck that noise.
Hasn't happened to me yet, but I know it will.
Sucks; but to be honest most of the YouTube things I watch have been moving off YouTube for awhile anyway.
First Reddit, now YouTube. This year is a year of change for my Internet habits.
The bullshit Reddit & Spez pulled is a lot worse than forcing ads on YT imo
Funny you mention it but some of the highlight videos I've been following for years have moved off YouTube this year. I've been using the site less because of that. From what the creators of the videos say, they're getting hit constantly with bogus copyright claims and YouTube does nothing to protect their content.
I’ll only use YouTube so long as freetube is still operational.
As soon as I have to see ads, I'm gone. Not mad, I get the business need for them. It's just not worth it for me. Most of my actual subscriptions are through a rss reader, and that effectively blocks all but the sponsorblock ones. For which I have sponsorblock.
FYI if you delete your watch history, then watch one video, you can pause it again and get a proper homepage. Just don't clear that one video. I just clicked on a DJ set from someone I liked three weeks ago as that one video and it hasn't broken again since.
I switched to Firefox a few years ago when Chrome started forcing HDCP, my uBlock hasn't been affected at all in the most recent changes.
just use frontends like invidious - for mobile there are tons of apps for these frontends, i recommend newpipe if you dont care about shitty recommendations
Thank you for mentioning the overlay blocker. Never heard of it. I was just on YouTube today and haven't seen this. Are you in the US? I feared this day would come. Not sure what I'll do.
YouTube is straight up evil. We need an alternative solution.
Any alternative that hopes to last will need to be a paid service.
At which point, it's not really an alternative at all anymore.
If only even 5% of people were actually going to donate
i donate very tiny amounts
My Ublocker works fine, and I have never seen this message come up
Use an alternative front end like https://piped.video
You may want to try various instances (in preferences) as the main one has been under a lot of load
Silly question if you don't mind me asking, when you got the pop up:
I never saw these popups just curious.
Also my setups using a web browser (no issues):
Setups with third part clients (no issues):
tbf i changed my mind recently as i paid for spotify but had yt vrevanced and st next. but after thinking about it, i switched the family subscription from spotify to youtube premium as it has both youtube and music while 5 out of 350 songs are missing for the same fucking price.
I stopped using YouTube at least 3 years ago. When they changed discovery algorithm to show me the same videos.
you can use ReHike to get the 2017 layout back which does not have this issue, combined with uBlock origin.
You have to build a sub list with FreeTube, but it's well worth it. There's an import from youtube feature, but I haven't been successful in making it work.
You could just start using a frontend like the rest of us
AdGuard with Firefox still works for me, I hope it stays that way.
honestly at this point I don't even understand using the normal youtube front end anymore. I have been using piped as my youtube app on my phone for a while, and I think it's time I switch frontends. What sucks is video is one of the few things we don't have a decent way of federating right now just due to the sheer volume of disk space required.
I’m still surprised what platforms make money WITH the content that USERS make , charge or restrict USERS view. It’s kinda crazy model that people accepted for so many years. For one side this is good because it will make users to reconsider what they do and how they corporations make money from it. Google money model has a date of death.
peertube is pretty great....just sayin.
good for you to go to such lengths to get their crap out of your life. I suggest odysee/lbry and various peertube instances
What browser was this on?
YouTube messed up by not being a paid only service first and later offering an advertisement supported free tier. That way around, they'd be celebrated.
fish? what fish?
I just got this for the first time today. I was able to dismiss it and go on to watch ad blocked YouTube on Firefox, but I wonder how much longer this will be an option. Nebula and Curiosity Stream are looking really good right now.
So with this known…when do you think YouTube will start banning accounts or giving out account strikes?
They could always make actual relationships with advertisers and host ads on their own site. And make it not interfere with the content itself. Difficult concept, I know.
Is there anyway to block ads if you are watching YouTube on consoles/ps5/xbox?
Wait, what's Youtube History?
oh no think of the children - piped bot - run!
I just got this popup today too, but only in Brave, it doesn't show up in Firefox and LibreWolf at all and I use uBlock Origin for all of them. Looks like it's just a Chromium thing. I mainly use Firefox anyway, I only use Brave as a music player at work because I have too many FF tabs opened in 3 windows already.
I see this as an absolute win!
SOLUTION:
or paste this to your filters: www.youtube.com##tp-yt-paper-dialog.ytd-popup-container.style-scope www.youtube.com##.opened
Hopefully I don't get this! I only started using an ad blocker on YouTube in the last year or so when the amount of ads became too much.
While I believe that this may be a hostile decision, it was inevitable. A lot of YouTube's revenue comes from ads. Use piped or something
You weren't on Piped or Invidious already? /hj
Use alternative yt front ends? YT Vanced, PipePipe, YMusic, and so on...
Firefox with exentions or on PC?
I have not seen any of this on my end, my IP does get blocked though, I just change it.
I wonder how they are rolling it out.
I reckon they're rolling it out bit by bit. So as to not upset everyone at once. Though I feel there'll be a work around anyway.
This will just get us to take that one extra step. I know so many people that have never heard of ad block! And this is going to affect those that will stop at ad blocking extensions and give up when that doesn't work.
Thanks to this comment I discovered F-Droid and downloaded PipePipe
You are welcome!
Exactly. Meanwhile in this post there are people begging others to turn off Adblock and sub to YT premium for creators sake lmao
As if handing Google your money helps creators, nobody owes anyone a damn ad view let alone multiple unskipables
I'd honestly get on board with services like nebula assuming they had support for third party clients.
True.
Many will help the people they like with donations and other ways instead of helping Alphabet (google) and the like.
It’s working perfectly in Safari, loaded up with ad blockers and Vinegar. I’m streaming ad-free tropical 4k jungle sounds from my Mac Mini as we speak.
Love a good Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy reference.
I can't make it show that message. I tried both Chrome and Firefox with ublock. Do I need to use a different adblock to even see these warnings from youtube? I would like to verify this is true before sharing this information.
If there was no browser workaround i wound use a third party client and possibly selfhost it for family. Hard to get away from Youtube itself. I wonder how many % of the users actually use any adblockinf tool
Once everyone views the ads, the view per ads value will drop and become worth less, no creator will ever get more money. As if YouTube will miss out and pass down their revenue to the small people, lol.
Is there a reasom paying them is so bad? I can spit on Reddit because they basically freeloading from user generated content(or stolen content) and strongarm everyone into working for them, but at least Youtube allow their content creator to monetize their content, even though they sometime ban one stuff but not the other(one veritasium video got demonetized due to containing suicide in the story), so paying to remove ads in both youtube and music is kinda a win for me, so i'm not entirely sure why the hostility on this.
After the History changes I switched to Grayjay.
i wanna move to odysee but idk if there'd be any memes there
YouTube: "Goodbye user we just got a new premium subscriber, thanks for all the fish."
Vinegar for Safari still works fine, it changes the player with a pure html5 one
Ohh, I got that warning on Adblock Plus on Firefox just now as well. Gonna move back to uBlock and hope it works.
Does YT recognize if you're using pihole?
On iOS I use uYou Plus loaded with SideStore. No ads, you can save videos and more.
I tried to watch a stream uploaded on YouTube and they put adrolls every 5 minutes, for a 3+ hour video. It was unwatchable. Sucks that pretty much every site is fucking over its users lately. Maybe it's a sign I should just get away from the internet for a while.
I have no idea how i'd replace YouTube in my life - sites like Reddit are one thing, but there is no current viable analogue to YouTube. Premium is pretty cheap for what it is - happy I made the decision to subscribe years ago
Why are you not using a Piped or Invidious instance?
this will be hard. google owns the most popular video-sharing website …
the battle between ad-blockers and ad-blocker-blockers is eternal. adblockers will adapt.
if i block ads, it's only fair that google tries to block my blocking of their ads. calling this "enshittification" is silly, they didn't make their product worse they just are doing a better job of enforcing the rule that's always been there.
As a premium subscriber for many years, I and my family really get value. I do pay in UAH though.
Sponsorblock. You are welcome.
I mean, it makes sense no? They are a business after all. Why wouldn't they try to enforce their ads? I personally don't watch YT that much but why not just pay up if you need ad free experience? The content on YouTube is good because creators get paid well from ads
https://revanced.net/ (Android)
For windows or linux just use Brave browser.
No more ads, no more adblock detection.
You're welcome.
Fuck them creators.
It's their choice to use the platform that abuses them and everyone else and their doing it because they're spineless in the face of that money crowd.
Here’s an interesting idea: pay for what you consume. We can argue whether ads or a YouTube Premium are a fair price, but I don’t think you’d have a moral or legal leg to stand on if your argument is that Google must provide you with hosting and streaming for free.
You are consuming resources on Google’s computers. I think they have a right to ask for payment.
To me, the ad tracking industry is completely out of control, and I’m not going to disable my ad blocker. So I signed up for YouTube Premium.
Serving 4k video is not free.
If you refuse to pay for Premium and refuse to be served ads, what do you expect to happen? You're a freeloader.
Ads for YouTube keeps YouTube free and YouTube being free is good for everyone
Sorry you have to watch a 30 second grammarly ad every 45 minutes or whatever.