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To anyone who believe Putin's right hand is controlling Trump's mouth:

To anyone who believe Putin's right hand is controlling Trump's mouth:I know where Putin's left hand is — allow me to introduce German AfD party leader Alice Weidel.The full interview with this Kremlin proxy is mind-blowingly scary — especially from 18:00 where she starts unfolding her Kremlin script about Ukraine.If you want to know what happens if she and Marine Le Pen in France get the power, watch the full video here:youtu.be/_cGGDu8sgXY

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This would carry a modicum more weight if Russia's military wasn't embarrassing themselves on a daily basis for the past 4 years against that ant hill.

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Also...like the actual largest military on the planet always gets fucked up by "small countries", hell look at what Iran is doing to them right now lol, the smaller country with an actual reason to fight does win fairly frequently.

Edit: I didn't pay attention to the community, just the post itself, please ignore the lost American.

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piefed.social

Ukraine is winning! Obviously, the much smaller country is (was?) considered a weaker military might, yet Russia's "two-week" invasion is still ongoing, almost 5 years later. When you consider Russia's actions prior to the full-scale invasion, it's taken about 13 years, cost 1.5 million Russian casualties, and still Ukraine has basically fought them to a standstill defending its homeland. And that's just soldiers. Russia has also lost around a million pieces of equipment, including vehicles and tanks and planes and helicopters and even a couple submarines. According to most estimates, every day of the war in Ukraine costs Russia $500 million to $1 billion. Russia is a rabid dog, attacking her neighboring countries, yet Ukraine is bleeding Europe and the US's enemy for them, and all they need is our continuing support...

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feddit.org

Totally - whatever will happening, Russia is coming weaker out of this war. They've lost their old soviet stockpile of tanks, planes, weapons. They have lost so many people and really expensive things like a big chunk of their airforce or their refineries and a lot of important industrial plants. They've gained the ability for geran drones, but that is something that every country will copy in short time.

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If Ukraine got betrayed and dropped by its allies, I do think here is a time window where Russia still can do A LOT of damage to the Europe, especially in the Baltics. It has a already mobilized and now experienced army along with a war economy. Denying Ukraine the support it needs now to keep Russia at bay would be a blunder for the ages.

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lemmy.world

They always tell on themselves when they refer to it as “The Ukraine” Maybe when speaking to the AFD we should refer to Germany as “The Germany” show them the same disrespect

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discuss.tchncs.de

in german ukraine is called "die ukraine", it's even on the german wikipedia just to prove a point: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine

that's just what ukraine is called in german, and she's just translating a bit literally

there's plenty of reasons to hate her, her party, and her base, but poor english shouldn't be one of them

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lemmy.world

That used to be the case in America too but there was a push to stop calling it that and refer to it simply as Ukraine. Just because a country chooses to call it one thing doesn’t mean it should or that it has to keep doing it.

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discuss.tchncs.de

i suppose so, but calling it ukraine without an article in german just seems off to me. i don't like saying it, it feels wrong, and speech is often about vibes. in english I'm perfectly fine calling it ukraine. i guess it'll take a few years for me to adapt.

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lemmy.world

The vibes of "the Ukraine" are that it's a region rather than a self-sovereign country. That's why there's been a push to stop adding the the.

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For English it's true that calling it "the Ukraine" feels like you're talking about a region instead of a country, because that's the (historical) reason for the article. So in English "the" does have that implication.

In German however, we use the article for very different, purely grammatical reasons: Every noun in German has one of three gramatical genders, that have nothing to do with its physical nature. A pouch isn't more male than a bag, but nonetheless, we say "der Beutel" and "die Tüte". The same applies to country names. Some are male (der Iran), some are neutral (das Syrien) and some are female (die Türkei). And for countries that are neutral, you just leave out the article in almost every case^1^. It has nothing to do with wether something is a region or an independent country.

A good illustration of this: In German the same country can sometimes be refered to in two different ways with two different genders. "Die USA^2^" is female*, "Das Amerika" is neutral. So you would say "ich fahre nach Amerika" but "ich fahre in die USA". Or an even more obvious case: The Netherlands are often called "Holland" in German, even though Holland is just one region in the Netherlands. But Holland is neutral and Niederlande female. So we say "ich fahre nach Holland" but "ich fahre in die Niederlande". Here the country has the article, while the region does not.

^1^ In some cases the neutral article shows again. For example, if you're talking about a specific version of a country: "Das Frankreich der 50er-Jahre" or "Das Spanien unter Franco"

^2^ The USA are female because they are plural, and every plural is female in German – "Der Mann" but "die Männer" – showing that gramatical gender has no physical reasoning.

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Rikkardreply
lemmy.zip

Still, I think you are right. In German we put those articles for some Countries… including USA.

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Well USA actually contains the word "The" when you expand the acronym.

If not officially, then at the very least by necessity of the English language

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Why is it the case that it's Die Ukraine, Die Niederlande, die Schweiz, die Türkei, die Tschechei, der Libanon but not das Russland, das China, das Peru, das Ungarn, das England, das Luxemburg, das Kroatien, das Serbien, das Kasachstan, das Polen, das Italien, das Frankreich, das Spanien, das Schweden, das Norwegen, das Finnland, das Island, das Grönland, das Bosnien, das Brasilien, das Argentinien, das Portugal, das Sri Lanka, das Indien, das Vietnam, das Thailand, das Japan ....

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lemmy.world

One thing seems to be certain, the 30s will be excitingly crazy again.

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And historians will investigate and tell everyone is because of the financial crisis than COVID than climate wars. That generation just wanted trouble

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The 2020s cycle should be broken by then unfortunately we were also in the centennial rift. To prevent any further roaring 20s in the timeline we should avoid that set of years for the foreseeable future.

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saimenreply
feddit.org

And instead of the roaring twenties we got Covid

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feddit.org

She's defending Russia's imperialism in broad daylight. She's saying Ukraine is to small to defend themselves from Russia. If that argument was valid, who else wouldn't be allowed to defend themselves from Russia? Belarus, Georgia, Estonia. Is Russia entitled to invade and conquer all of them simply because they are significantly larger? Ukraine didn't start an unwinnable war. They are defending themselves and fighting for their very lives

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But if Ukraine didn't defend themselves there wouldn't be a war, so they started it!

(/s, because I know there's people on this platform who would actually make this argument.)

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Belarus is already just short of merging with Russia. Their entire law and bureaucracy are tuned to Russian ones, except of course for the death penalties for dissenters. They straight up have this thing called Union State.

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piefed.social

A good solution to that problem is making Russia small again. It should be split into sovereign nations giving back the land and cultures that they took forcibly.

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lemmy.world

That would even mean there’s another officially Jewish state, which would be helpful in distinguishing between antizionism and antisemitism (assuming [read: really, really hoping] that it doesn’t ally itself with Israel regarding Palestine)

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exactly. It’s currently only officially Jewish, in that the populations of ethnic and religious Jews are both tiny, but I could see future migration from people who are morally opposed to what the Israeli government is doing, but are afraid to move to a non Jewish state (I imagine they’re hearing a lot of propaganda right now about how unsafe everywhere else in the world is for Jews).

That’s not what I mean though- in all sorts of situations, people accuse those opposed to the state of Israel of antisemitism, because they’re opposed to the only Jewish state. Because there is only one though, it means either Israel’s actions determine objective morality or that argument is nonsense (hint, hint), but the existence of another Jewish state with different politics would still be helpful in shutting it down.

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Germany as well. Russia is way bigger than Germany, France, the USA, China.... I guess we are all Russians now.

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lemmy.zip

the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must

That's the core quote, I believe.

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Correct, or in fewer words, "might makes right." Except it's not exactly the moral of the story. AFAICT there is no 'moral of the story' as it seems to be meant to engage discussion/debate about the nature of morality in conflict and the defense of a home territory and cultural identity in the face of an overwhelming enemy. Unfortunately the Melians got the bad ending, but it doesn't always have to be that way and I find it interesting for being one of the earliest examples of such a debate.

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lemmy.ca

My god The Economist interviewer is as useless as ever.. She didn't seriously press her on any of the bread-and-butter issues because she's in agreement with economic austerity, she just disagees on some of the details. This interview made Alice look pretty decent.

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piefed.social

Russia is a pretty weak country but their influence and propaganda game is S tier.

They are going for the mind fuck win and it’s working.

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feddit.org

Since she is a lesbian married to a POC and living in Switzerland being a leader of nazis afd party, the leopard eating face phase is not too far away.

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I'm still not convinced she believes a single thing she's saying and instead is just saying whatever will give her more voters in order to funnel government money into her swiss bank account. when things get serious and nazis take power and threaten to look more closely at her lifestyle, she is out of there, ready to live a happy queer life with her wife and children and bank account in swiss.

That's also why she often has that disgusting grin, when holding a speech to her followers, like she is thinking: "i can't believe these nazi idiots are buying this and keep voting for me"

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She'd deport her own wife if it would give her an advantage.

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Phoenixzreply
lemmy.ca

I always wonder about those spouses...

You are married to a Nazi. You are brown, so to speak. Do you not understand? What exactly atebyou expecting will happen over time? Like, what is your endgame here?

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Plenty of immigrants are supporting anti-immigrant parties. It happens everywhere. They probably think that by openly siding with these parties, they will somehow be exempted from any future atrocities.

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There were several documented relationships of high ranking nazis with Jews in the third reich; and those Jews were left alone.

That’s the whole point of their ideology. They are absolutely fine carving out exceptions for themselves whenever it benefits them directly.

You can’t get nazis with logical gotchas or uncovering their inconsistencies. They don’t care about those inconsistencies. They care about getting power and using it for their advantages, and they will say and do anything to get it. For all we know, Alice Weidel’s wife is 100% in on it and probably just doesn’t like publicity.

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lemmy.pt

Russia in 4 years wasn't able to achieve anything and they are now stuck. They failed on all measures. They tried mercenaries, arsenal from other countries, boots on the ground from other countries, and all sorts of campaigns to make Ukraine and their support to fall. All failed.

I would say Russia is not half as strong as it tries to present itself.

Just tangerine mussolini and this kind of dump politicians fall for it.

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and now they are completely dependant ochina for all thier supplies, China couldnt have gotten a better gift.

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lemmy.zip

Finland is a small country, it could never win against russia. Also does german call ukraine "the ukraine" or did she also read that straight from the script? Cause if im correct calling ukraine "the ukraine" is a common thing amongst people who dont believe ukraine is independant from russia.

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I used to say die Ukraine as well. But just Ukraine also works in German so me and many people adopted that. This one not so much, who would have guessed

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Youreply
feddit.org

Might be a dog whistle, might be a simple mistake stemming from her being German. Your guess is correct, in German the country's name has an article and is called "die Ukraine" (no, not meant as a Bart Simpson reference).

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Yeah, some already pointed out the German mistranslation. BUT there's no "the" or "a" in Ukrainian nor in Russian, yet a dogwhistle exists of using "on Ukraine" instead of "in Ukraine".

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sh.itjust.works

The afd is a right-wing, extremist party, with ideas that are a direct threat to democracy. Among all the rightwing parties in Europe, this one is the most dangerous, as it is, at its core, deeply fascist. It’s pulling in uninformed voters, and may well be the biggest party in Germany soon; political chaos will ensue, and ordinary people will suffer the most.

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ZC3rr0rreply
piefed.ca

Well, I mean National Socialism was the "Alternative for Germany" of its day, so the parallel really must not have gone unnoticed by the AfD either.

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Youreply
feddit.org

No no no! You got that wrong. The NSDAP at its core was a leftist party!

(According to Alice Weidel)

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LOL.

Every kid learns that you have to stand up to bullies.

If Ukraine just chucks in the towel, then Putin will just move on to the next campaign.

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Putin the comrade sure has very good ties to alot of extreme right wing groups all over the world. He might be by far the biggest supporter of world-wide fascism.

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lemmy.world

She isn't very eloquent. She can't explain this in other terms than "Ukraine is too small", but TOGETHER we are not too small, that's the whole point. She's a fucking nonce.

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boomzillareply
programming.dev

In addition she lies like her true masters Lawrow, Peskow and Putler, all the time. I did a fact check on an interview Bloomberg did with her a year ago or so. About every sentence contained wrong data, false information and lies. Completely unchecked by the interviewer. Posted a lengthy comment which amassed some 3000 likes over night and was demanded by commenters to be pinned. Instead it was deleted. I now know what to think of Bloomberg.

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Depending on the platform you posted it on, it could simply have been silenced by far-righters reporting the comment enough to hit some automatic removal threshold. Not defending Bloomberg, but it's a possibility to keep in mind.

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I can imagine all of this to be true. She sounds dumb af.

From which platform was this comment you made deleted btw?

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It's China with their hand up everyone's ass not Putin he is a bitch as much as Trump.

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lemmy.zip

I don't think Putin is controlling them. They just want to grab opportunity of the dismantling system for their delusions of grandeur. Which is worse. That means that getting rid of Putin will change little because other shitheads will continue.

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They are directly funded by Russia as is most of European far right and odd tankie party.

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He is not controlling all that they do, but he is funding them and and telling them what to think about certain issues. This take on Ukraine being a common talking point among all right wing parties across Europe (and the world) is not a coincidence.

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infosec.pub

That doesn't explain why they parrot Putin's speeches.

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majsterreply
lemmy.zip

It does. They want a might makes right system for them to operate from. Its why Trump followed Putin in its logic. Trump got Venezuela and Iran that way. If we are lucky we will never know what AfD wants to get out of this.

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It is very naive to think there is no collusion going on though. We already have plenty of proof that Putin funds Afd and similar right wing parties in Europe.

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lemmy.today

If you want to know what happens if she and Marine Le Pen in France get the power,

So:

  • In the US, Trump's last year is 2028. Mind, Vance has generally been considered to be the most-likely Republican nominee and is isolationist, but I don't know how well he'd do, given Trump's now-very-high unpopularity and his association with the Trump administration. Rubio, who I've seen listed as being the second-most-likely Republican nominee, is a lot more conventional, and I'd assume that any Democratic president would likely also be. 2028 elections are still a long way out, so hard to make many calls yet.

  • In the UK, while Reform topped polling for a while, Labour has finally managed to pull a little ahead, and the Conservatives look to me likely to do so as well. So my guess is that the likelihood of Prime Minister Farage is on the downswing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election

  • In France, RN (run by Le Pen) presently holds a large polling lead. LFI (run by Mélenchon) just crept ahead of ENS (run by Macron). Elections are only about six months out.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2027_French_presidential_election

  • In Germany, AfD is polling on top. The next federal election may not happen until as late as 2029, however, so it could be quite some time away.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_German_federal_election

    My understanding is that the German political system can theoretically hold a party with a plurality but not majority of votes out of executive power if everyone else chooses to do so; this is known as the cordon sanitaire. In the past, this had by convention applied to far-right parties. However, I don't know whether this will continue to hold.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_sanitaire_(politics)

    A strict political non-cooperation is only exercised against right-wing parties, such as the Republicans, and even the Republicans have exercised a cordon against the neo-Nazi The Homeland. Since 2013, the established major parties have refused to form state-level coalitions with the new right-wing populist party Alternative for Germany (AfD). Brandmauer (firewall) is the term most often used in Germany to refer to this non-cooperation policy against the AfD.[24]

    In February 2025, the Christian Democratic Union of Germany put forward a non-binding motion, taking AfD votes into account, in the Bundestag to push through a on the detention of undocumented foreigners at borders. This was the first time since 1945 that the cordon sanitaire had been broken in Germany. This event provoked large-scale demonstrations across Germany, with between 160,000 and 250,000 people in Berlin on February 2, and over 220,000 demonstrators in several of the country's major cities the day before.[25][26]

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