She’s just an opportunist who saw the winds change and decided to get out while the getting was good. She’s probably positioning herself now to run as the Republican candidate in 2028 and will campaign on a platform of “disillusionment” with the current regime. There’s already a split, not a big enough one, but I think she wants to be the head of it.
I really hate her and don't want her as a representative. That having been said, she is a little more like what their party should be. If we are gonna stick with this piece of shit two-party system, then the party platform should be different solutions to what we agree are the problems. I don't understand how the fuck we got to a point where everybody is struggling to make ends meets, and one party is saying that it's difficult to make ends meet and we need to regulate businesses better while improving social safety nets for the people; the other party says that the problem is that trans people and brown people exist so the solution is to just erase them. And 1/3 of the country is just like "idk man, I just live here, I'm not interested in politics." Idk how the country survives as a democratic republic after this. Forget recovering from this.
and one party is saying that it's difficult to make ends meet and we need to regulate businesses better while improving social safety nets for the people;
*One wing of one party. The centrists absolutely aren't saying this.
Touche. With any luck, that is the new direction of the party soon and these controlled opposition establishment dickweeds will be the fringe wing. Or, better yet, fucking extinct.
It depends on who you ask.
Trump claims that prices aren't actually that high (lie) and also that they're lower than under Biden (lie) and also that the prices are worth it to keep a nuke out of Iran's hands (lie because he's the one who terminated the deal in his first term that was doing exactly that).
Vance claims that the racist scapegoating of brown immigrants was him misspeaking (lie) and that he'll aim to do better (lie because he immediately did it some more right after that).
Others have lied that "illegal" (undocumented) immigrants are siphoning things like welfare, food stamps, and other assistance programs from Americans. But you need a social security number to claim those things, which is how you know it's a fucking lie. They'll also lie about them stealing good jobs, but the jobs they're working are the shitty jobs, and them being underpaid is both something that their employers are doing to exploit vulnerable people and also how prices on things like produce and textiles has been so relatively cheap until now, since they've chased so much of the labor force out.
I don't understand any argument for how immigrants could be causing higher prices. It would only make sense if we were seeing a scarcity, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is petroleum products, caused by this stupid illegal war, which hasn't even begun to cause the insane high prices on everything else yet due to the shipping industries depending so heavily on diesel. It will really take off right after the blue wave, and chuds will blame dems despite not even being sworn in yet. It's as predictable as the scary "caravan" heading to the border right before the election.
there is a grain of truth to the "immigrants stealing good jobs" lie, quite a few buisnesses were preferentially hiring foreign workers because they could pay them less including iirc TSMC and other big tech companies
Sadly true. And yet, they go after the immigrants and not the business owners for some strange reason…
And if you’re a complete sociopath, the ‘less brown people will fix things’ makes a bit of sense too. Less people means less competition for jobs, so more good jobs and higher wages since there would be fewer employees to go around. (This is also why they also want women out of the workforce.)
That’s basically all the racists want, is everything in the country for themselves and their little groups. It’s the dark side of tribalism.
Right, which just makes them easy to stuff under the label of ‘other tribe’. And ‘other tribe’ must be run out of town at any cost. Even if they aren’t in your town to begin with.
That's less "immigrants stealing good jobs" though and more "employers violating labor laws and exploiting vulnerable people" like I was saying. Sure, the effect is the same, but instead of rounding up brown people, maybe we could try enforcing the laws and arresting business owners for knowingly breaking the laws. That would also send a message that it's not worth the risk to try to hire illegally.
I think she had an exorcism or something because she no longer has that look in her eyes like she's possessed by a goetia, and she's actually had some reasonable takes these past couple years; reluctant as I am to admit it...
Can't tell if she's slowly coming along and realizing, or if it's all still part of the grift and she's just hedging her bets ahead of the curve
Wouldn't go so far as to call her a "friend," but hey if she splits the republican base or gives people an out where they can keep their egos intact (and are therefore more likely to take it), then I won't stop her!
The problem is that she's batshit and bigoted. I suppose I'd rather be led by crazy people than evil and calculating people trying to convince the crazies they're crazy too, but I have to believe we can do better
Make no mistake she does believe trans people and brown people in this country are part of the problem and will try to eliminate us. She just has issues with some of the other stuff the current administration is doing like targeting congress members and going to unnecessary wars
Sure, but she's also explicitly pointing out that this doesn't address the problems that sane people understand are the problems.
I'm optimistic that her lunacy and bigotry are at least softening. Right wing ideals are fundamentally incompatible with what I want to see happen, but I can accept right wing candidates as long as they are reasonable humans. The current brood is unacceptable at an existential level. Let me vote against Marge instead of voting against Cthulhu-hitler disguised as a Christian senior pedophile.
It's amazing that she can come full circle on so many issues and still not have the self awareness to understand how the flaws in conservative reasoning which get you trump are the same ones which condition her thoughts on abortion and the various other right wing causes she still supports. It's like a broiler chicken learning that she exists to be mechanically butchered and unceremoniously consumed by malevolent apes, and then demanding a different color cage.
A lot of people talking about how this is just the latest step in the grift, but really, I've never thought she was a grifter.
Narrow-minded bigot, yes. Dumb as a bag of hammers, sure. Utterly hoodwinked by the right-wing outrage media, definitely. But she always seemed like she really believed in it. She thought she could achieve her worldview by cozying up to Trump. Even after she realized he was all smoke and mirrors, she still tried to make it work because she thought she could get it if she just tried a little harder; right up until she realized that she had been usurped in the cult.
Which honestly almost makes it worse, when you think about it. But at least this way she's peeling off some more of the MAGA faithful.
Re-read the damn tweet lmao. Her view hasn't changed on anything, she still supports all the shitty things she did before, she just doesn't want her bills going up or for her family to receive death threats from her own party.
Don't worry, she isn't the one who had these thoughts. You aren't actually agreeing with her, she just said something that someone wrote for her that you happen to agree with.
It means that things are that bad. That people not caught up in literal cult-like behavior are livid over all of this, even of their disagree on nearly everything else.
I think she actually fell deep into Pizzagate, maybe due to actual concern about a pedophile ring, heard about the Epstein files, made it her whole thing, and then when Trump buried them so hard it finally actually turned her a little bit. Then she got death threats from Trump supporters for even slightly criticizing him, and that turned her hesitance into full-on rage.
For better or worse, her whole thing is being some sort of populist crusader against the shadowy cabal of pedophiles. She's just figured out that Trump is part of that shadowy cabal. It's still "me taking on the hidden secret conspiracy" as her whole thing.
Yeah, I suspect that she's fundamentally a true believer in what she says, and I think that's why her party finds her hard to work with. She's headstrong, sincere, bigoted, insane, and pretty gullible. She seems to have grown disillusioned once she realized a lot of politicians on her side aren't like her.
Stop trying to follow the logic here, because that never occurred to her when drafting this post. This is all political kabuki. She can see clear as day that Trump's cohort are burning through what little political power they have remaining and will soon be ousted, and she's positioning herself as the sane conservative candidate by distancing herself from their most extreme decisions/policies. When the dust clears she'll have a head start campaigning for whatever office she wants.
Make no mistake, she's a true believer in all the shit that got us to this fucked up situation we find ourselves in. The first part of her post is just the "normal" kind of extremism that seems blase compared to the firehose of daily scandals coming from the WH.
What she is saying and the fact she's saying it publicly is actually very important. She's showing others who follow(ed) Trump uncritically that it's possible to hold conservative values and still call out the egregious actions of the Trump administration and the performative propaganda they use to justify them. The fact that she was part of the problem makes her actions even more important.
Agreed. Maybe others who don't do that should start using her words more. Maybe she could sale her speeches now? If she says stuff like this she could make good money.
Her sudden change of heart is nothing more than an effort by her to escape the justice she has coming for helping all this treason get moving. Her former allies have abandoned her. She is not capable of shame for her actions. Magat marge is the same gormless piece of shit as she ever was and would still be waving the magat cult banner if she was still welcome there. She can have redemption when she dies for it. Until then, she should keep her worthless words inside to spare us the foul wind that carries them.
Don't believe her bullshit. She helped them with literally everything she is now claiming to oppose. Its part of the strategy, her "feud" with MAGA is another grift. This is how they sway centrists to fascism, by having one mouthpiece suddenly become "reasonable" and ease moderates into the pool when they're too afraid to cannonball into the deep end.
I don't know much else about her voting record, but hasn't she always been supportive of the release of the Epstein files even going against Trump and the rest of the republican party ?
Yes. She was one of only four Republicans in the House to cross the aisle and vote for the Epstein Files Transparency Act: Thomas Massie, Nancy Mace, Lauren Boebert, and Marjorie Taylor Greene. It's also pretty clear that she is on the outs with Trump now specifically because of her support for that legislation and consistent demands to release all the files.
She's not one of the good ones, not even close. But seeing her say shit like this is WILD! I hated her when she was in office, and don't much care for her now but I fully support her attempting to speak truth to power. You can hate someone and still agree on some things.
I am defending her, and attacking you that attack those that defect from maga, as if you can win on your own, and as if she isn't more left than the majority of the fucking democratic party.
seriously, lemmy is "leftist" but everyone's so goddamn dumb and gullible, it is truly shocking sometimes. it's like a fucking anti-leftist psyop with how easily users here fall for this shit.
Lady, you had the opportunity to do the right thing while you were in office. Instead, you fully enabled Cheetolini & Co. knowing full well what was happening, only to run away as soon as they -- very predictably -- turned on you.
I agree with her, but she said everything but the fact that Trump is trying to illegally silence and deport a political enemy. That's the extremely dangerous thing that's currently happening.
MTG is like the saturday morning cartoon villain who is totally fine with screwing people over or blowing stuff up but would never, like, rape someone. I think she's finally realized just how disgusting the rest of her party is. It's scary how often she tweets something so very sane that I agree with her.
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I feel like I fell into some alternate universe. We elected an entire evil clown college to run the government and MTG is actually making sense.
She’s just an opportunist who saw the winds change and decided to get out while the getting was good. She’s probably positioning herself now to run as the Republican candidate in 2028 and will campaign on a platform of “disillusionment” with the current regime. There’s already a split, not a big enough one, but I think she wants to be the head of it.
Yes, and the same money that backed Trump will back her and the net results will be the same.
I really hate her and don't want her as a representative. That having been said, she is a little more like what their party should be. If we are gonna stick with this piece of shit two-party system, then the party platform should be different solutions to what we agree are the problems. I don't understand how the fuck we got to a point where everybody is struggling to make ends meets, and one party is saying that it's difficult to make ends meet and we need to regulate businesses better while improving social safety nets for the people; the other party says that the problem is that trans people and brown people exist so the solution is to just erase them. And 1/3 of the country is just like "idk man, I just live here, I'm not interested in politics." Idk how the country survives as a democratic republic after this. Forget recovering from this.
Vote. Prove me wrong. Please.
*One wing of one party. The centrists absolutely aren't saying this.
Touche. With any luck, that is the new direction of the party soon and these controlled opposition establishment dickweeds will be the fringe wing. Or, better yet, fucking extinct.
I thought the republicans were acknowledging that the cost of living is higher, but blaming it on immigrants
It depends on who you ask.
Trump claims that prices aren't actually that high (lie) and also that they're lower than under Biden (lie) and also that the prices are worth it to keep a nuke out of Iran's hands (lie because he's the one who terminated the deal in his first term that was doing exactly that).
Vance claims that the racist scapegoating of brown immigrants was him misspeaking (lie) and that he'll aim to do better (lie because he immediately did it some more right after that).
Others have lied that "illegal" (undocumented) immigrants are siphoning things like welfare, food stamps, and other assistance programs from Americans. But you need a social security number to claim those things, which is how you know it's a fucking lie. They'll also lie about them stealing good jobs, but the jobs they're working are the shitty jobs, and them being underpaid is both something that their employers are doing to exploit vulnerable people and also how prices on things like produce and textiles has been so relatively cheap until now, since they've chased so much of the labor force out.
I don't understand any argument for how immigrants could be causing higher prices. It would only make sense if we were seeing a scarcity, but the only one I can think of off the top of my head is petroleum products, caused by this stupid illegal war, which hasn't even begun to cause the insane high prices on everything else yet due to the shipping industries depending so heavily on diesel. It will really take off right after the blue wave, and chuds will blame dems despite not even being sworn in yet. It's as predictable as the scary "caravan" heading to the border right before the election.
there is a grain of truth to the "immigrants stealing good jobs" lie, quite a few buisnesses were preferentially hiring foreign workers because they could pay them less including iirc TSMC and other big tech companies
Sadly true. And yet, they go after the immigrants and not the business owners for some strange reason…
And if you’re a complete sociopath, the ‘less brown people will fix things’ makes a bit of sense too. Less people means less competition for jobs, so more good jobs and higher wages since there would be fewer employees to go around. (This is also why they also want women out of the workforce.)
That’s basically all the racists want, is everything in the country for themselves and their little groups. It’s the dark side of tribalism.
you are more likely to know a buisness owner than an immigrant if you live in a rural town far from the border (or know that you know one anyway)
Right, which just makes them easy to stuff under the label of ‘other tribe’. And ‘other tribe’ must be run out of town at any cost. Even if they aren’t in your town to begin with.
That's less "immigrants stealing good jobs" though and more "employers violating labor laws and exploiting vulnerable people" like I was saying. Sure, the effect is the same, but instead of rounding up brown people, maybe we could try enforcing the laws and arresting business owners for knowingly breaking the laws. That would also send a message that it's not worth the risk to try to hire illegally.
I think she had an exorcism or something because she no longer has that look in her eyes like she's possessed by a goetia, and she's actually had some reasonable takes these past couple years; reluctant as I am to admit it...
Can't tell if she's slowly coming along and realizing, or if it's all still part of the grift and she's just hedging her bets ahead of the curve
My guess is the latter, but even that's better than the Nazis we've currently got.
Yeah, "an enemy of an enemy" and all that.
Wouldn't go so far as to call her a "friend," but hey if she splits the republican base or gives people an out where they can keep their egos intact (and are therefore more likely to take it), then I won't stop her!
The problem is that she's batshit and bigoted. I suppose I'd rather be led by crazy people than evil and calculating people trying to convince the crazies they're crazy too, but I have to believe we can do better
Make no mistake she does believe trans people and brown people in this country are part of the problem and will try to eliminate us. She just has issues with some of the other stuff the current administration is doing like targeting congress members and going to unnecessary wars
Sure, but she's also explicitly pointing out that this doesn't address the problems that sane people understand are the problems.
I'm optimistic that her lunacy and bigotry are at least softening. Right wing ideals are fundamentally incompatible with what I want to see happen, but I can accept right wing candidates as long as they are reasonable humans. The current brood is unacceptable at an existential level. Let me vote against Marge instead of voting against Cthulhu-hitler disguised as a Christian senior pedophile.
It's amazing that she can come full circle on so many issues and still not have the self awareness to understand how the flaws in conservative reasoning which get you trump are the same ones which condition her thoughts on abortion and the various other right wing causes she still supports. It's like a broiler chicken learning that she exists to be mechanically butchered and unceremoniously consumed by malevolent apes, and then demanding a different color cage.
She hasn’t come full circle and anything. It’s all performative nonsense. She’s trying to rebrand herself before the ship goes down
A lot of people talking about how this is just the latest step in the grift, but really, I've never thought she was a grifter.
Narrow-minded bigot, yes. Dumb as a bag of hammers, sure. Utterly hoodwinked by the right-wing outrage media, definitely. But she always seemed like she really believed in it. She thought she could achieve her worldview by cozying up to Trump. Even after she realized he was all smoke and mirrors, she still tried to make it work because she thought she could get it if she just tried a little harder; right up until she realized that she had been usurped in the cult.
Which honestly almost makes it worse, when you think about it. But at least this way she's peeling off some more of the MAGA faithful.
If there was only someone inside the system who could have actually had some change instead of sucking on the same teet she is now bashing. Fuck MTG
she quit either the DAY she got her pension, or slightly after. She's a reprehensible person. Fuck MTG
She stood around while trump and co threatened many other families, then when her family gets threatened? "oh, woe is me!"
I hate that I'm reading this and agreeing. This woman is a fucking monster but i sure can't argue with these points.
You’re not agreeing with her, she’s agreeing with you - as it is her world view that’s changed, while yours has remained consistent.
And also if she was the monarch instead of the current one, she absolutely would have done the same as Trump is doing right now.
Re-read the damn tweet lmao. Her view hasn't changed on anything, she still supports all the shitty things she did before, she just doesn't want her bills going up or for her family to receive death threats from her own party.
Don't worry, she isn't the one who had these thoughts. You aren't actually agreeing with her, she just said something that someone wrote for her that you happen to agree with.
I mean, it's the same kind of rhetoric trump was spouting ten years ago. It's meant to pander to a wide demographic who's "sick of the status quo".
The problem comes when they get the power they promise they'll do something with, but they decide to enrich themselves instead.
It means that things are that bad. That people not caught up in literal cult-like behavior are livid over all of this, even of their disagree on nearly everything else.
So you're saying that you were a complete asshole on purpose and not because you're an idiot? Interesting.
She’s still an asshole. She’s fine with all the other stuff happening just like all the rest of the Republicans.
People in cages? Killing people on boats? Dismantling the government? Installing a dictator?
Fine.
Me paying more for groceries and gas because war?
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
I think she actually fell deep into Pizzagate, maybe due to actual concern about a pedophile ring, heard about the Epstein files, made it her whole thing, and then when Trump buried them so hard it finally actually turned her a little bit. Then she got death threats from Trump supporters for even slightly criticizing him, and that turned her hesitance into full-on rage.
For better or worse, her whole thing is being some sort of populist crusader against the shadowy cabal of pedophiles. She's just figured out that Trump is part of that shadowy cabal. It's still "me taking on the hidden secret conspiracy" as her whole thing.
Yeah, I suspect that she's fundamentally a true believer in what she says, and I think that's why her party finds her hard to work with. She's headstrong, sincere, bigoted, insane, and pretty gullible. She seems to have grown disillusioned once she realized a lot of politicians on her side aren't like her.
It must be strange to be a true believer surrounded by opportunists.
She just needs attention, all the time.
Stop trying to follow the logic here, because that never occurred to her when drafting this post. This is all political kabuki. She can see clear as day that Trump's cohort are burning through what little political power they have remaining and will soon be ousted, and she's positioning herself as the sane conservative candidate by distancing herself from their most extreme decisions/policies. When the dust clears she'll have a head start campaigning for whatever office she wants.
Make no mistake, she's a true believer in all the shit that got us to this fucked up situation we find ourselves in. The first part of her post is just the "normal" kind of extremism that seems blase compared to the firehose of daily scandals coming from the WH.
Agreed. She's just grasping at any little tiny bit of attention left. She's in desperation mode
"Even a broken Hitler is right twice a day." /s
I'm of the opinion that a broken Hitler needs to be kicked some more.
Now we can add MTG to the bars Chuck Schumer can't clear.
Wow.... When you fire shots you fire em right on the mark
To be fair, Chuck could probably only clear a bar of 6".
What she is saying and the fact she's saying it publicly is actually very important. She's showing others who follow(ed) Trump uncritically that it's possible to hold conservative values and still call out the egregious actions of the Trump administration and the performative propaganda they use to justify them. The fact that she was part of the problem makes her actions even more important.
"...pro abortion..."
She's a grifter through and through. Just trying on a new "look"
She only knows how to oppose. Once she got elected and had actual power she was like the dog who caught the car.
Agreed. Maybe others who don't do that should start using her words more. Maybe she could sale her speeches now? If she says stuff like this she could make good money.
LMAO! Just the picture of that guy is enough for me to recognize it
Heartbreaking
Shut the fuck up, Marge, you’re one of the people that enabled this shit.
Her sudden change of heart is nothing more than an effort by her to escape the justice she has coming for helping all this treason get moving. Her former allies have abandoned her. She is not capable of shame for her actions. Magat marge is the same gormless piece of shit as she ever was and would still be waving the magat cult banner if she was still welcome there. She can have redemption when she dies for it. Until then, she should keep her worthless words inside to spare us the foul wind that carries them.
Ah the broken clock principle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartbreaking:_The_Worst_Person_You_Know_Just_Made_a_Great_Point
Don't believe her bullshit. She helped them with literally everything she is now claiming to oppose. Its part of the strategy, her "feud" with MAGA is another grift. This is how they sway centrists to fascism, by having one mouthpiece suddenly become "reasonable" and ease moderates into the pool when they're too afraid to cannonball into the deep end.
I don't know much else about her voting record, but hasn't she always been supportive of the release of the Epstein files even going against Trump and the rest of the republican party ?
Small edit for missed word
Yes. She was one of only four Republicans in the House to cross the aisle and vote for the Epstein Files Transparency Act: Thomas Massie, Nancy Mace, Lauren Boebert, and Marjorie Taylor Greene. It's also pretty clear that she is on the outs with Trump now specifically because of her support for that legislation and consistent demands to release all the files.
You can say that but the real reason why she is able to swoop in here and take so much free credit is because the DNC leadership is silent on it.
I will never approve of the left whitewashing this Nazi.
I am so sick of people saying, “sure, she hates the Jews and the Blacks, but she's one of the good fascists if you just look past her record.”
I don't see the left whitewashing her. Every time she does stuff like this I only see people telling her to fuck off.
She's not one of the good ones, not even close. But seeing her say shit like this is WILD! I hated her when she was in office, and don't much care for her now but I fully support her attempting to speak truth to power. You can hate someone and still agree on some things.
Nobody's whitewashing her. This post just shows that even that nut sees through the bullshit.
I don't think people are defending her, more like pointing and laughing at the infighting.
I am defending her, and attacking you that attack those that defect from maga, as if you can win on your own, and as if she isn't more left than the majority of the fucking democratic party.
People work for horrible companies because they pay well. Self interest always threatens morality.
I see Lemmy is still doing this MTG image rehabilitation. Fucking hell.
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seriously, lemmy is "leftist" but everyone's so goddamn dumb and gullible, it is truly shocking sometimes. it's like a fucking anti-leftist psyop with how easily users here fall for this shit.
Where the fuck was this MTG when she was in office?
Suppressed by the desire to conform to the MAGA party line.
DHS raids MTG's house in 3...2...
Yeah because she wasn't complicit in any of it.
Something about a broken clock. Just because they can make a good point doesn't mean they aren't shit tier people.
See? The right can do infighting too!
Can they do more please
Lady, you had the opportunity to do the right thing while you were in office. Instead, you fully enabled Cheetolini & Co. knowing full well what was happening, only to run away as soon as they -- very predictably -- turned on you.
But definitely held out until you got your pension. 100% I got mine, fuck you.
This is levels of bizzaro world that only anime or drugs can induce. Wtf is going on? Whatever it is, I love it
I agree with her, but she said everything but the fact that Trump is trying to illegally silence and deport a political enemy. That's the extremely dangerous thing that's currently happening.
Ilhan Omar and I
Kind of amusing that I read a thread where to two commenters were complaining about such corrections at this. They were bothered.
Apparently MTG still exists and wants attention.
Margarine Tallow Grease, if you are for the 2A, you know what to do
MTG is like the saturday morning cartoon villain who is totally fine with screwing people over or blowing stuff up but would never, like, rape someone. I think she's finally realized just how disgusting the rest of her party is. It's scary how often she tweets something so very sane that I agree with her.
Still vehemently oppose her policies of course.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvenEvilHasStandards
It's always funny when tvtropes has an IRL examples section
I'll never understand why people give the shittiest people alive attention like this. MTG is a poser, nothing she says is worth consideration.
Instead, let's share what people who are fighting for justice are saying.
This is so rich it just has to be fattening
This looks and reads like when someone copied someone else's homework.
Let this ugly Neanderthal help break up the party and then throw her in prison with the rest of them
What's the end goal here? Does she have a podcast or a book deal or something?
2028 run for President is my guess
Oh shit.
That's a good guess, actually.
You do not, under any circumstance, gotta hand it to Hitler.
Political chameleons are human shit pieces
We will likely be seeing her on Tucker Carlsons show soon if not already
Based as heck
Marjorie is one of the good guys, I don't care what anyone says.