I agree. I was there... But I feel like these posts aren't trying to make bush seem "good" or "normal". More they're showing just how much of a piece of shit Trump is. Not that that should be necessary.
Like if Bush seems like a good dude next to you, you're seriously fucked
Yeah, nobody is saying that. It's just a juxtaposition of how much Trump sucks when the previous winner of worst president ever looks good in comparison.
George Washington ripped the teeth out of his slaves mouth to make dentures for himself. It's not really like a recent thing that presidents are evil pieces of shit. That's been the rule since the start.
I would like to see the minority of decent people get out, burn the rest, and then allow the indigenous Americans to do what they will with the place, with support from the rest of the world and safeguards to stop this shit happening again
This is juxtaposition, not apologia. There is a scale of awful, and Dubya is objectively on the lesser side relative to the Paedophile President, seditious traitor and inarticulate pissboy that he is. There is no section of the constitution that I know of which he hasn't violated. Dubya was many of the things which the traitor-in-chief is, and that makes the juxtaposition all the more apt. If they were supposed to be comparing a good president, they'd have picked FDR. Instead, they picked one who was generally considered one of the worst until that point to show that, even when you think you've scraped the bottom, someone can still manage to break the bottom of the barrel and scrape the mouldering, fetid carcass of a plague rat off the floor below.
Dubya was bad, but Trump literally normalized treason.
As you said, he's essentially betrayed the Constitution in every aspect and yet....
Hurts to say out loud, but treason has been normalized in the United States. And it was conservatives (regressives) and their love for bigotry that did it.
How are they going to go lower than Trump, though? They would have to find someone who physically tortures and kills people in public. Some kind of Mad Max-like supervillain. It's gonna be so retro!
Bush had a modicum of shame and respect for lawfulness. And I don't think you could accuse him of corruption, despite his many other faults.
There just hasn't been anyone as manifestly unsuitable for the office as Trump. It will be decades before there's any respect given to the Presidency after this.
He's certainly not the good guy, but it was definitely a wild time when you thought he was the dumbest president we've ever had, with Cheney giving himself no-bid contracts to enrich himself during that war was peak corruption.
The really amazing thing about Trump is that I literally can't find one good thing to say about him. Hitler showed personal bravery in WW1. Stalin was a bank robber. Mao led his troops into battle. No one is saying those guys were anything but monsters, but they had qualities you could respect.
Even comic book villains display some admirable qualities, even if it's only style.
Trump embodies all Seven Deadly Sins, and has invented a few new ones.
Sure. This is a very fair point. I just love the song Mosh Pit by Eminem, in which he says how bad Bush is. And I say to him, “Marshall, just wait. It gets worse.”
Bush 2 is a direct line to trump. From courting the evangelicals and bringing their supply side Jesus to the front to legitimizing stubbornness and agressive ignorance as quality in a presidency. He ran on not skill, competence, and education, but “who do you want your drinking buddy to be?” Literally. If you were around when he ran the unofficial question was “who would you rather have a beer with?” Hence the news paying attention to Obama’s occasional beer, and Obama having a drink with whomever.
Bush mashed the accelerator pedal on all the things needed to make it easier for the far right to swoop in and take over.
And for those who believe the Democrats are going to swoop in and save us, I point to Obama who did nothing of the sort and spent 8 years just kind of being an additional 2 bush terms.
Sure. Bush was a horrible piece of shit... But compared to Trump, he at least pretended to be decent, which isn't saying a lot, and saying he wasn't as bad as the current President isn't really defending him, either
Stage 1 cancer isn't as bad as stage 4 cancer. But without stage 1, there wouldn't be a stage 4, so it's weird to defend stage 1 and reminisce about how much better it was.
He was worse than people remember. I was old enough to vote against him and expirience how much American society regressed under his militarized evangelical shell game. It took the institutional deterioration of Dubya's terms to make a Trump presidency even possible. A lot of people here aren't even old enough to remember, some weren't even born.
He cares about praise, not optics. And won't change his behavior to achieve that, just yell at people until they either do or he tucks tail and picks a new target. But of a difference.
Binary thinking is bad for the world. Even people who do horrible things can do good as well. Those can be talked about, especially when his successor is so unbelievably awful; the comparison lands.
Are you kidding me? Trump killed more people with DOGE cuts than all of the above combined. In fact, he likely killed as many Americans with COVID incompetence as the above combined killed brown people in the Middle East over the last 20 years. DJT is a despicable monster, and the damage he has caused will not be truly understood for decades.
I know that's not your intention, but still: Ew, Bush apologia. I don't see why respect for the gangsters of US capitalism should be a meaningful factor when judging political leaders.
More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits." Trump is so much worse, in ways we get numb to just looking at news stories day after day. Plus, conservatives won't hold him accountable like they would with Bush...
More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits."
That might be OP's intention, but they need to say so in the post itself or it's Bush apologia anyway. Also that's true, but having more respect for the imperialist war machine isn't my idea of (good) limits. There are areas where an "imagine being worse than Bush" comparison makes sense, but how much they respect the people doing their imperialism is simply not one of them. Or to put it another way: Hitler wouldn't have been a worse person if he had secretly looked down on the SS.
Because the selection of a shot showing bush looking like fucking snidely whiplash creeping toward some unsuspecting damsel is insufficient? Because the fact that the entire meme is about how they both play golf to an unhealthy degree rather than actually giving a fuck about the country they purportedly run is insufficient? Because you assume readers have the critical capacity of a potato, and readers can't tell that bush's only reason for not playing golf was optics and he worded it as if his forbearance was a sacrifice in solidarity? Give me a break.
If this is apologia, it's the worst apologia I've ever seen. I've seen tankies defend the fucking gulag with a greater command of reason than would be shown by someone using this to try to paint Bush in a positive light.
They don't even need to care about optics nowadays, and that's due to the complete degradation and dehumanisation of "core Americans", who will mindlessly support anything their white king says and does. Gone are the days when they had to at least pretend to be moral, both the public and the government.
Funny, cause my reaction to this post wasn't that this rehabilitated W, rather that Trump is so bad that he makes a shitty president look better. Still not good
It is very similar to how the Iranian dictatorship was looking like the adults in the room. I mean how the fuck are you so terrible that Iran, looks reasonable by comparison.
I mean Iran is usually reasonable in its foreign policy. The regime is fucking evil don't get me wrong, but that usually manifests more in their domestic policy (their support for Assad being a notable exception) instead. Which is to say: In a conflict between Iran and America/Israel, you can usually bet on Iran being the more reasonable side, at least partially because they're not strong enough to be as blatantly evil as America outside their borders.
It’s not about that. It’s about how one of the most incompetent presidents we’ve ever had had some level of decency and the gravity of the situation for our country. The current loser in chief does not actually care about the troops or the country for that matter.
I need you to stop using Google to answer your questions and start with a bit of critical thinking. Trumps death toll is close to 1 million if not more. Covid was 100% his fault. Every single death in Iran and Israel is his fault. I would attribute attribute a portion of deaths in Ukraine and Russia to him has well. His absolutely atrocious foreign policy caused those wars and his dismantling of the CDC and WHO caused the Covid death toll to be so high. He caused god knows how many deaths due to dismantling USAID as well. Add to that the number of Americans killed by DHS. We also need to add all the immigrants he killed in their concentration camps. That also ignores the people that weren’t killed but raped, tortured, and abused or illegally imprisoned. Bush was not a good president but his shortcomings pale in comparison to the shitshow that is going on right now.
Okay but let's not rewrite George Double-Ya's legacy. I'd rather have a war monger who cares about the public opinion of themselves than a war monger who doesn't. They're both horrible people who have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on their hands but Trump is objectively worse.
What is this comment? What "everything"? This is the only time Putin is even mentioned here? Also, gay people being especially homophobe is not new at all? Like what is your comment? Nonsense from top to bottom? The whole thread is also full of you saying the same thing over and over. What you say there is arguably wrong too: Willfully accepting deaths as the result of policy changes matter too.
Who the fuck is reading this meme and thinking this paints Bush in a positive light? I'm getting sick of replying to the idiots here. The two parts highlighted in the text show that Bush cared only about the optics, and that he thinks that refraining from golfing is a sacrifice he's made in solidarity with the families of soldiers he sent to die for oil.
Even the fucking picture was specifically selected to make him look like snidely whiplash.
It's a juxtaposition of two awful presidents, one clearly worse than the other, because he hasn't even the shame to pretend that he cares, and because his crimes are greater in depth and scope.
Yeah, but the thing is that conservative (regressive) voters have made it abundantly clear they don't give a flying fuck about service members. That's why they support a guy that never served, dodged the draft, and has been recorded numerous times mocking service members, both dead and alive.
Like steering them into two useless and unsubstantiated wars against countries that didn't attack the USA without a clear plan for an exit strategy, other than making the military industrial complex a literal fuckton of money?
Without the context of my statement it's not even clear whether you are talking about Bush or Trump lol. At least Trump calls them "suckers and losers" to their face
Fuck Trump and Fuck Bush, but controversial statement. I understand that it is a bad look to be golfing (or whatever) when people are dying at your behest, but I wouldn't begrudge a good president a way to disconnect from reality for a bit. That job is stressful as hell and everyone needs breaks. That said, neither of these idiots deserve any compassion.
Q Mr. President, you haven’t been golfing in recent years. Is that related to Iraq?
THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it really is. I don’t want some mom whose son may have recently died to see the Commander-in-Chief playing golf. I feel I owe it to the families to be as -- to be in solidarity as best as I can with them. And I think playing golf during a war just sends the wrong signal.
Q Mr. President, was there a particular moment or incident that brought you to that decision, or how did you come to that?
THE PRESIDENT: No, I remember when de Mello, who was at the U.N., got killed in Baghdad as a result of these murderers taking this good man’s life. And I was playing golf -- I think I was in central Texas -- and they pulled me off the golf course and I said, it’s just not worth it anymore to do.
This is in reference to the 19 August 2003 Canal Hotel bombing. To that date, the Iraq War (launched 20 March 2003) had been going on for about five months.
It's not hard to check something like this before you say it.
I didn't move the goal post, I was wrong. Guess what, so were you and Bush still fucking lied. Not to mention he had no issue golfing all the other times before that during the Afghanistan war.
Remind me is August the same as October? Is October in August? I just don't know how calendars work. Moving the goal post, talk about fucking projection.
Moving the goal post, talk about fucking projection.
Definitely not projection, given you jumped right past acknowledging you were completely, utterly wrong in a way that was trivially debunkable (and frankly seemed dubious just from common sense) and just started ranting about other stuff that wasn't relevant to why you were wrong – like him being a piece of shit in 2002.
Not to mention he had no issue golfing all the other times before that during the Afghanistan war.
You're still acting like I'm trying to defend George W. Bush as a person and not just, like, showing you were confidently wrong.
Remind me is August the same as October? Is October in August? I just don’t know how calendars work.
You're being so obnoxious and unwilling to take the L with any dignity. The point of my original comment wasn't asserting that he quit that specific day on 19 August; I provided that date as context for the bombing he was talking about, because it was 23 years ago and not everyone remembers or was even alive for that.
My point was the quote "you haven't been golfing in recent years" and that he quit c. 2003. Which as you pointed out turned out to be October 13, 2003. That is, I wasn't trying to assign a concrete date to when he quit; I was trying to show you were completely off-base, which you were.
Chill out.
Edit: Worth noting, even, that there's a fairly logical explanation some have pointed out that Bush may have suffered a torn meniscus which would make a sport like golf pretty painful. (He would have his knee replaced about 10 years later.)
You're right but I would still take w back in a heartbeat just to be free from Trump constantly spewing batshit insane word salad every single day in the media headlines, and then openly calling for Iran to bomb to the largest cities in the country, and somehow no one took that as obvious treason and grounds for immediate impeachment followed by arrest followed by the guillotine.
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Stop normalizing Bush. Remember when they gave Obama a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being him?
I didn’t spend my teenage years going fucking insane in Bush country to have this stupid, criminal motherfucker held up as some example of decency.
I agree. I was there... But I feel like these posts aren't trying to make bush seem "good" or "normal". More they're showing just how much of a piece of shit Trump is. Not that that should be necessary.
Like if Bush seems like a good dude next to you, you're seriously fucked
Exactly, when you make effing Bush look good, you are -insert new word for really bad and horrible here-
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it's like a turd flushing, just shit stains all the way down
It's just proof that whenever you think conservatives have found the bottom of the barrel, they keep digging.
The barrel has been dug through. It is now a tube, and conservatives are currently digging an empire-sized grave beneath it.
The future is truly terrifying.
Yeah suddenly a saint because he had the decency to not play golf during a war of invasion based of lies.
Yeah, nobody is saying that. It's just a juxtaposition of how much Trump sucks when the previous winner of worst president ever looks good in comparison.
George Washington ripped the teeth out of his slaves mouth to make dentures for himself. It's not really like a recent thing that presidents are evil pieces of shit. That's been the rule since the start.
That was over 250 years ago. This is a meme about recent history, not history none of us were around to witness.
My mistake, didn't realize you were a .ml user. It all makes sense now.
You're pathetic.
A war that he was responsible for and could have ended at any time if he gave two fucks about the lives of anyone involved, which he didn't.
Fuck that war criminal. The only acceptable reason he should have had for not golfing would be that he was in the Hague.
Yeah, your right about that
I dunno, says a lot when Bush has the moral highground lol
Bush is in the bottom 4 with Andrew Johnson and Buchanon, but we all know who is the objective worse.
Granted W. was a lot like Justin Trudeau, he was there, he did silly interviews but ultimately never did shit and let others call all the shots.
That's true
Man it's wild that even W Bush had more decency than Trump, and he was terrible
I remember thinking that 'Murica could not sink any lower
Oh, how I laugh now...
I'm not sure I'm ready for what's coming the next time around. Probably some manosphere influencer way into eugenics. Yay.
You mean the guy running the pentagon?
Probably not, whoever it is will make Hegseth look reasonable and professional in comparison.
I would like to see the minority of decent people get out, burn the rest, and then allow the indigenous Americans to do what they will with the place, with support from the rest of the world and safeguards to stop this shit happening again
It’s crazy that people are pushing memes like he’s the good guy.
This is juxtaposition, not apologia. There is a scale of awful, and Dubya is objectively on the lesser side relative to the Paedophile President, seditious traitor and inarticulate pissboy that he is. There is no section of the constitution that I know of which he hasn't violated. Dubya was many of the things which the traitor-in-chief is, and that makes the juxtaposition all the more apt. If they were supposed to be comparing a good president, they'd have picked FDR. Instead, they picked one who was generally considered one of the worst until that point to show that, even when you think you've scraped the bottom, someone can still manage to break the bottom of the barrel and scrape the mouldering, fetid carcass of a plague rat off the floor below.
Dubya was bad, but Trump literally normalized treason.
As you said, he's essentially betrayed the Constitution in every aspect and yet....
Hurts to say out loud, but treason has been normalized in the United States. And it was conservatives (regressives) and their love for bigotry that did it.
How are they going to go lower than Trump, though? They would have to find someone who physically tortures and kills people in public. Some kind of Mad Max-like supervillain. It's gonna be so retro!
ICE already kills people in public.
He wants to televise an execution.
Trumps successor starts nuking countries around the world. That's probably lower.
What I come back to when compairing Trump and GWB is that GWB at least seemed to respect the office, Trump shows utter contempt towards it.
Bush had a modicum of shame and respect for lawfulness. And I don't think you could accuse him of corruption, despite his many other faults.
There just hasn't been anyone as manifestly unsuitable for the office as Trump. It will be decades before there's any respect given to the Presidency after this.
Do you actually remember the bush presidency? Shameless lying, illegal invasions, and corruption were his entire legacy.
Bush's expansion of executive power made someone like trump a "when" not an "if".
He's certainly not the good guy, but it was definitely a wild time when you thought he was the dumbest president we've ever had, with Cheney giving himself no-bid contracts to enrich himself during that war was peak corruption.
The really amazing thing about Trump is that I literally can't find one good thing to say about him. Hitler showed personal bravery in WW1. Stalin was a bank robber. Mao led his troops into battle. No one is saying those guys were anything but monsters, but they had qualities you could respect.
Even comic book villains display some admirable qualities, even if it's only style.
Trump embodies all Seven Deadly Sins, and has invented a few new ones.
He's not. But in comparison he is.
This is what fascists do. They lower the bar so far that you have to change your whole perspective to suit them.
Pointing out that Trump is worse is not saying that Bush was better than we thought.
Remember "Now watch this drive"? He gets no points for this. He had to be shamed into it.
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PresidentsWar Criminals ☺️Yeah, your right about that
Remember when GWB was considered a poor president? Yeah… guess everything is relative.
Can we not "lesser evil" the guy whose policies made someone like trump inevitable?
Sure. This is a very fair point. I just love the song Mosh Pit by Eminem, in which he says how bad Bush is. And I say to him, “Marshall, just wait. It gets worse.”
Exactly. I remember Bush. The guy was a reviled idiot.
We thought we had found the bottom of the political barrel back in those days.
We were wrong.
And a major, vital step towards the abuses of power we're seeing today
Bush 2 is a direct line to trump. From courting the evangelicals and bringing their supply side Jesus to the front to legitimizing stubbornness and agressive ignorance as quality in a presidency. He ran on not skill, competence, and education, but “who do you want your drinking buddy to be?” Literally. If you were around when he ran the unofficial question was “who would you rather have a beer with?” Hence the news paying attention to Obama’s occasional beer, and Obama having a drink with whomever.
Bush mashed the accelerator pedal on all the things needed to make it easier for the far right to swoop in and take over.
And for those who believe the Democrats are going to swoop in and save us, I point to Obama who did nothing of the sort and spent 8 years just kind of being an additional 2 bush terms.
Yeah, your right. I will not do it again
Sure. Bush was a horrible piece of shit... But compared to Trump, he at least pretended to be decent, which isn't saying a lot, and saying he wasn't as bad as the current President isn't really defending him, either
Stage 1 cancer isn't as bad as stage 4 cancer. But without stage 1, there wouldn't be a stage 4, so it's weird to defend stage 1 and reminisce about how much better it was.
Except nobody is defending anything. It's perfectly valid to say "wow, remember how much stage 1 cancer sucked? Stage 4 sucks even worse than that."
It's kind of weird that you think any comments that aren't just constant, overt condemnation are 'defending' or reminiscing about the good ol' days
He was worse than people remember. I was old enough to vote against him and expirience how much American society regressed under his militarized evangelical shell game. It took the institutional deterioration of Dubya's terms to make a Trump presidency even possible. A lot of people here aren't even old enough to remember, some weren't even born.
I remember bush the elder... He had no problem golfing during the first Gulf war.
If limbo became an olympic sport we could send conservatives and lock down the gold every single time. No one can go lower.
World: USA, you surely can't go lower than Bush...
Usians: Hold our beers...
Hold our lite beers.
I’m going to lite beer all over my Superman pajamas.
Hold out lite beers that aren't woke
Stop trying to rehab that shitstain.
I mean, it's only a complement to shit stain 1 because it's a comparison to shit stain 2.
"I stopped playing golf because my people said it was bad optics" used to be a stupid thing to admit to.
You can't just pick any vowel.
It's more about showing how much even more of a shitstain we have now. Even Bush was better, and he was a shitstain.
How? The gold thing isn't even true.
He didn't grab pussies?
Dude literally killed a million more people than Trump..... so far. Knock on wood.
Ah, Back when war criminals cared about optics...
Trump cares about optics, that's why all our news channels are owned by his friends.
He cares about praise, not optics. And won't change his behavior to achieve that, just yell at people until they either do or he tucks tail and picks a new target. But of a difference.
George W. Bush still tortured and sent PMCs to massacre entire villages. He is not redeemable.
Frankly we should have been pissed enough to revolt with Reagan. And then we should have been pissed when Ford pardoned Nixon.
Corruption is giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the people. Id est, treason.
Yeah, well said. George W. Bush is still a bad guy
I’m no trump fan, but I’m not gonna start glazing the American Idiot.
No one should ever glorify Dubya.
It's more like, "even this despicable war criminal had the shame to not golf while people's kids were dying in his war."
fuck outta here stop retconning history
https://youtu.be/TCm9788Tb5g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZ3Tjohwqo
I agree, this is just a comparison
Binary thinking is bad for the world. Even people who do horrible things can do good as well. Those can be talked about, especially when his successor is so unbelievably awful; the comparison lands.
Exactly what metric are you using? Trump, as bad as he is, still has a smaller body count than Biden, Obama, or Dubya.
And exactly where is the "good"? Not golfing? That not only isn't irrelevant, it's not even true. He golfed plenty.
“what metric” and “as bad as” and naming 1 thing are entirely the binaries that they were talking about
you have successfully completely missed the point
Are you kidding me? Trump killed more people with DOGE cuts than all of the above combined. In fact, he likely killed as many Americans with COVID incompetence as the above combined killed brown people in the Middle East over the last 20 years. DJT is a despicable monster, and the damage he has caused will not be truly understood for decades.
S**g H**l to the president gasman,
Bombs away is your punishment.
- Green Day, Holiday
Fuck GWB. He's no saint.
Yeah, your right
He killed hundreds of thousands of people btw
Over a million, easy. His Dad and Clinton killed 250,000 Iraqi babies through sanctions alone.
I know that's not your intention, but still: Ew, Bush apologia. I don't see why respect for the gangsters of US capitalism should be a meaningful factor when judging political leaders.
More like "Bush was an awful president, but even he had limits." Trump is so much worse, in ways we get numb to just looking at news stories day after day. Plus, conservatives won't hold him accountable like they would with Bush...
That might be OP's intention, but they need to say so in the post itself or it's Bush apologia anyway. Also that's true, but having more respect for the imperialist war machine isn't my idea of (good) limits. There are areas where an "imagine being worse than Bush" comparison makes sense, but how much they respect the people doing their imperialism is simply not one of them. Or to put it another way: Hitler wouldn't have been a worse person if he had secretly looked down on the SS.
Because the selection of a shot showing bush looking like fucking snidely whiplash creeping toward some unsuspecting damsel is insufficient? Because the fact that the entire meme is about how they both play golf to an unhealthy degree rather than actually giving a fuck about the country they purportedly run is insufficient? Because you assume readers have the critical capacity of a potato, and readers can't tell that bush's only reason for not playing golf was optics and he worded it as if his forbearance was a sacrifice in solidarity? Give me a break.
If this is apologia, it's the worst apologia I've ever seen. I've seen tankies defend the fucking gulag with a greater command of reason than would be shown by someone using this to try to paint Bush in a positive light.
Yeah, gross. All US presidents were shitheads, none excluded except maybe Lincoln or some shit.
Yeah, your right
Two bad presidents.
Remember when we thought the top one was the worst we’d ever get?
Good times….
They don't even need to care about optics nowadays, and that's due to the complete degradation and dehumanisation of "core Americans", who will mindlessly support anything their white king says and does. Gone are the days when they had to at least pretend to be moral, both the public and the government.
Oh fuck you for portraying that piece of shit as only a remotely empathic or humane being. 150'000 to 1'000'000 deaths in Iraq.
I mean are they "portraying" them that way or did they quote his words.
Id say that was Bush trying to portray himself in an empathetic way.
Twenty years from now, shitlibs are gonna rehabilitate Trump just like they're rehabilitating Bush 🙄
Funny, cause my reaction to this post wasn't that this rehabilitated W, rather that Trump is so bad that he makes a shitty president look better. Still not good
Hard agree.
It is very similar to how the Iranian dictatorship was looking like the adults in the room. I mean how the fuck are you so terrible that Iran, looks reasonable by comparison.
I mean Iran is usually reasonable in its foreign policy. The regime is fucking evil don't get me wrong, but that usually manifests more in their domestic policy (their support for Assad being a notable exception) instead. Which is to say: In a conflict between Iran and America/Israel, you can usually bet on Iran being the more reasonable side, at least partially because they're not strong enough to be as blatantly evil as America outside their borders.
are you suggesting there can exist someone so deranged, that trump will look like normal person in comparison?
Yes. Give it twenty more years, less if there's no political rebuke of Trump.
20 years ago I didn't think anyone could be worse than Bush.
Things can always get worse. Always. You could always get a proper Hitler instead of a wannabe Hitler.
Unfortunately yes
Bush is a good guy now?
I see it as, not even bush was that bad.
No
He was awful
But Drumpf had plumbed depth that I would not have believed existed
I have always held 'Murica in contempt, but that has changed to outright hatred for what America is
Not all its people, but about two-thirds of them should burn
Geroge is still a piece of shit president. He happens to have been undershined by a even larger turd, that does not make him less of a piece of shit.
This word will now live rent free in my vocabulary.
Thinking abstaining from golf is empathetic is a bigger insult than the other commenters think.
It’s not about that. It’s about how one of the most incompetent presidents we’ve ever had had some level of decency and the gravity of the situation for our country. The current loser in chief does not actually care about the troops or the country for that matter.
It's not about that either. It's about a million people who are no longer alive because of Dubya's lies.
As bad as Trump is, and he could get worse, he doesn't even come close.
Even Biden's death toll is still higher.
They're all war criminals of the highest degree. They don't deserve an ounce of pity, nevermind respect.
I need you to stop using Google to answer your questions and start with a bit of critical thinking. Trumps death toll is close to 1 million if not more. Covid was 100% his fault. Every single death in Iran and Israel is his fault. I would attribute attribute a portion of deaths in Ukraine and Russia to him has well. His absolutely atrocious foreign policy caused those wars and his dismantling of the CDC and WHO caused the Covid death toll to be so high. He caused god knows how many deaths due to dismantling USAID as well. Add to that the number of Americans killed by DHS. We also need to add all the immigrants he killed in their concentration camps. That also ignores the people that weren’t killed but raped, tortured, and abused or illegally imprisoned. Bush was not a good president but his shortcomings pale in comparison to the shitshow that is going on right now.
Your name is so on the nose for trolling, it made me snort. So only the good troll factories were demolished, or are you Chinese?
"Now watch this drive."
Right where my head went, too
had to scroll WAYYYY too far to see this
100% not the 7th. But I digress
They are keeping things secret that no other administration kept secret.
No. Hiding casualties is routine, doing it so brazenly and with such implausible numbers is the novelty in this administration.
Making Bush son a good president by comparison... A new low.
The scary part is that whomever the next Republican President is, he'll make Trump look good in comparison.
It's going to get worse before it gets worse.
Never thought I'd see the day when President Bush was fondly remembered.
It's still not a war right?
no, it is special military operation 😂
and it goes just about as well lol
he used to golf all the time what the fuck is this shit.
Yeah, what did he take a week off? The war in Iraq was basically his entire two terms.
Kids these days don't know about "Now watch me hit this drive."
He stopped after October 2003 until the end of his presidency.
Dubaya was like the weird uncle at Thanksgiving that laughed at his own farts.
He was a rancid piece of shit but he was our rancid piece of shit.
Trump on the other hand doesn't even get invited to Thanksgiving.
Yeah, I'd rather have the guy who has childish names for Putin, instead of the guy who talks about how good Putin's cum tastes.
Okay but let's not rewrite George Double-Ya's legacy. I'd rather have a war monger who cares about the public opinion of themselves than a war monger who doesn't. They're both horrible people who have the blood of hundreds of thousands of people on their hands but Trump is objectively worse.
Which president goes with which clause?
What is this comment? What "everything"? This is the only time Putin is even mentioned here? Also, gay people being especially homophobe is not new at all? Like what is your comment? Nonsense from top to bottom? The whole thread is also full of you saying the same thing over and over. What you say there is arguably wrong too: Willfully accepting deaths as the result of policy changes matter too.
My weird flatulent uncle never killed a million Iraqis.
Still waiting on those wmd's out of Iraq....
I actually have one right here
Unzips
Who the fuck is reading this meme and thinking this paints Bush in a positive light? I'm getting sick of replying to the idiots here. The two parts highlighted in the text show that Bush cared only about the optics, and that he thinks that refraining from golfing is a sacrifice he's made in solidarity with the families of soldiers he sent to die for oil.
Even the fucking picture was specifically selected to make him look like snidely whiplash.
It's a juxtaposition of two awful presidents, one clearly worse than the other, because he hasn't even the shame to pretend that he cares, and because his crimes are greater in depth and scope.
Ok, fair enough. That’s actually a good point
Maybe both are bad? You shouldn't quit sports for this reason. Optics only matter so much when your actions is what protects your people and soldiers.
Good cosmetics versus bad cosmetics.
What in the shit??? He totally played golf during the war!
Yeah, but the thing is that conservative (regressive) voters have made it abundantly clear they don't give a flying fuck about service members. That's why they support a guy that never served, dodged the draft, and has been recorded numerous times mocking service members, both dead and alive.
I've come to believe there is no tipping point with trump. That fucker is a barnacle that needs to be forcefully scraped off of the nation's hull.
At least 45 gives the troops the respect they deserve
Like steering them into two useless and unsubstantiated wars against countries that didn't attack the USA without a clear plan for an exit strategy, other than making the military industrial complex a literal fuckton of money?
Without the context of my statement it's not even clear whether you are talking about Bush or Trump lol. At least Trump calls them "suckers and losers" to their face
That was kind of the point.
The suckers and losers might be in the electorate though
Ah sorry I misread you
Fuck Trump and Fuck Bush, but controversial statement. I understand that it is a bad look to be golfing (or whatever) when people are dying at your behest, but I wouldn't begrudge a good president a way to disconnect from reality for a bit. That job is stressful as hell and everyone needs breaks. That said, neither of these idiots deserve any compassion.
Bush said this May 13th, 2008. Poor guy had to go a whole 8 months without golf before Obama inauguration. Oh no!
Bush said this in 2008, but it was in response to this question:
This is in reference to the 19 August 2003 Canal Hotel bombing. To that date, the Iraq War (launched 20 March 2003) had been going on for about five months.
It's not hard to check something like this before you say it.
And yet he still publicly played golf October 13th 2003. After stating that he quit in August 2003.
Here's a fun one from 2002 while thousands were dying in Afghanistan. This from 2002
Can you feel that? It's like a breeze from goalposts rushing past.
You can just admit you were wrong instead of goalpost-moving this hard. We both agree George W. Bush was a terrible president and a piece of shit.
I didn't move the goal post, I was wrong. Guess what, so were you and Bush still fucking lied. Not to mention he had no issue golfing all the other times before that during the Afghanistan war.
Remind me is August the same as October? Is October in August? I just don't know how calendars work. Moving the goal post, talk about fucking projection.
Definitely not projection, given you jumped right past acknowledging you were completely, utterly wrong in a way that was trivially debunkable (and frankly seemed dubious just from common sense) and just started ranting about other stuff that wasn't relevant to why you were wrong – like him being a piece of shit in 2002.
You're still acting like I'm trying to defend George W. Bush as a person and not just, like, showing you were confidently wrong.
You're being so obnoxious and unwilling to take the L with any dignity. The point of my original comment wasn't asserting that he quit that specific day on 19 August; I provided that date as context for the bombing he was talking about, because it was 23 years ago and not everyone remembers or was even alive for that.
My point was the quote "you haven't been golfing in recent years" and that he quit c. 2003. Which as you pointed out turned out to be October 13, 2003. That is, I wasn't trying to assign a concrete date to when he quit; I was trying to show you were completely off-base, which you were.
Chill out.
Edit: Worth noting, even, that there's a fairly logical explanation some have pointed out that Bush may have suffered a torn meniscus which would make a sport like golf pretty painful. (He would have his knee replaced about 10 years later.)
The Media: "Dear Leader takes a well-deserved break from his heroic labors!"
"He dodged a bullet - sob - for us."
Dang! I already commented another thread about a Charlie Kirk Pez dispenser.
Only thing this proves is things are getting worse
...we don't have to do this
no US soldier has died in iran tho
We are going into a future worse than Cyberpunk 2077 minus the neon and cool transhuman modding. Hellworld
George bush is responsible for more then 2 million deaths, and you fucking freaks are painting this as a good thing? What the fuck
Trump killed 400,000+ during his last presidency due to covid.
Next president will murder a billion and you will be "remember trump, wasn't so bad!"
Nah, Trump is still pretty bad, bush is also still pretty bad
I'm scared Americans will shit the bed again in November. Conservative vote is coming higher than what they let see in polls.
I hope not
GOOD GUY BUSH!
I mean you could run on a platform of world peace. People would still die and it wouldn't be good enough for the internet.
If you want an outlet for your feelings walk around your neighborhood and when you see someone that needs help, help them.
As bad as Trump is, Dubya still murdered a million more people with the stupid lies built on greed.
I will shit on his grave.
It's not a contest on how evil people are, but trump killed a shit ton of people with
You're right but I would still take w back in a heartbeat just to be free from Trump constantly spewing batshit insane word salad every single day in the media headlines, and then openly calling for Iran to bomb to the largest cities in the country, and somehow no one took that as obvious treason and grounds for immediate impeachment followed by arrest followed by the guillotine.