What's with worldnews banning me for saying the USSR didn't singlehandedly defeat the Nazis?
I replied to someone saying that the USSR defeated the Nazis saying that it was a group effort. Got into an argument and called a Nazi repeatedly because "I was mad that the USSR defeated the Nazis and hated them for it" which is ridiculous. This isn't the first time that's happened on Lemmy. What's up with that?
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The comments have turned into a debate, and we all know what .ml is like. This post would’ve been better suited to ![email protected] or ![email protected].
It’s generating unnecessary reports, wasting our time.
Locking.
That's just the admins of lemmy.ml for ya, here's a megathread on them
You'll get banned for showing support for Ukraine or going against Russian narratives or if you remind them of Putlers promise to not invade or just shit talking Putler in general
Or calling out propaganda sites - https://lemmy.world/post/32776038 | https://lemmy.world/post/33416433 | https://lemmy.world/post/34051329 | https://lemmy.world/post/35919522
Or so much more, I actually haven't updated the megathread in a few months, but there's more recent stuff on [email protected]
ETA - Join the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance! To make this easy you can do an instance block at Settings > Block Tab > Scroll to bottom > Input "lemmy.ml" and apply And consider donating to individual instances instead.
Why anyone would trust anything you say I've no idea. Your posts are all very much made up narratives.
Each and every post includes:
As much screenshots as possible to capture the full context (Tankies do love to complain that critics never have the full context after all)
Links to the modlog and source post wherever possible
Titles are just a summary or interpretation, as is every article you've ever read. The full evidence is available for you to post your own interpretation if you feel mine is wrong.
Sshhhh!
No talk in the back of the class.
nice sockpuppet.
Yeah, why trust them? Trust the public modlogs that they linked instead!
Or, ya know, keep ignoring what's right in front of you, put your fingers in your ears and screech like a child. You seem good at that.
It was lemmy.ml/worldnews...
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=24410054
If you go to settings you should be able to block an entire instance and then won't see them on /all
There's a couple instances that always moderate like that. But you're better off just hanging out, finding out for yourself, and then blocking what you don't agree with.
But there's another that bans people for downvoting AI, but only for a few days so people come back to be trolled. And at least one that bans anyone who tries to take anything seriously.
Stop looking at Lemmy as a single thing, there are dozens of instances acting largely autonomously and if one fucks up, make sure you call out that one and not the entire fediverse.
Thanks
Fair enough. The way Lemmy works is kinda confusing.
You know how multiplayer games can have different servers with different rules and people? Same thing.
Just remember to block .ml and you should be fine! Not many others ban you for speaking.
Ya the guys in Lemmy.ml tend to be pretty weird like that. They aren't a monolith but in general they tend to think that Russia, China, and North Korea have never done anything bad and that all the evil in the world comes from capitalism in europe and America and that the whole world will be fixed when The Revolution comes. It is all sort of like evangelical Christianity with the numbers filed off, the president of the United States is like an appointed satan (appointed, not elected, they don't believe elections work/are real in the west) who rules over hell which is the west (sometimes stylized as "Amerikkka", often accompanied by an American flag emoji with a fire emoji on top of it or a jpeg of a Chinese emperor shooting a fireball), Karl Marx is sort of like Jesus and mao, lenin, Stalin, etc. are the disciples, and The Revolution is the rapture. It is a pretty interesting belief system and I think the .ml guys all mean well, but they can be really difficult to talk to sometimes, as you've seen.
thats because its true, if you left your liberal echo chamber and read real news and read theory properly it would all make sense 😒
Real News? Can you provide an example?
Russia Today, of course.
Whatever propaganda suits their narrative
Yeah, it's totally true, everyone knows the only member of the allied forces was actually the USSR. No other country fought against the Nazis, they did completely single handedly, and totally wouldn't have just sat there and let it happen, if Hitler hadn't violated their non aggression pact first.
Lemmy was started by authoritarian communists (often called tankies) who got banned from Reddit, so they are generally more abundant here. They have their own alternate version of reality where the USSR was the most perfect society to ever exist and the west is the source of all evil in the world.
There are a few instances (aka servers) they tend to congregate on, but the main one is Lemmy.ml. It was the first server made so despite its extreme ideological slant, it still has a lot of subscribers. Just avoid any communities on Lemmy.ml and this shouldn't happen anymore.
To elaborate, they are tankies who believe trans rights are western pink washing. And who larp as Haitian revolutionaries from their ergonomic computer chairs. And who literally do not post outside of their home instance because they can't handle the internet without their "I win" ban button.
And hexbear IMO.
oh hey you're the guy who got banned for coming into a trans space and calling people fake cause you didn't like their opinions, interesting that you've found new home.
Wow, your days must be fun.
But we already talked about it and I came out clean. But I guess you forgot that and now I'm "that guy", guess rules only go one way for you.
I'll kick out tankies all day any day btw, even if they are trans (which was the case here IIRC), but being banned on .ml is what you'll get just for being normal or knowing history lol.
Edit: better wording in my explanation.
Can you expand on this?
Basically I'm as pro trans as they go. I discussed with someone from blåhaj IIRC. So problem solved back then already.
The stupid thread was about russia vs the west, but as Diva got my comment removed she likes to yell slurs at me since then it seems 😂. Also like, touch grass, it was 2 years ago.
So yeah, for me Diva loves to harass people basically, and I'll probably block her because I don't need people like that in my life.
Also think about it, in a thread about how the soviet union teamed up with the Nazis, an .ml person (in their magic land the URSS was nice and not at all with the nazis, contrary to all non russian history) comes here and berates me.
🤷🏼♀️
Wild.
since you forgot, it was this exchange.
yeah being a transphobe is pretty 'normal' these days.
You calling me a transphobe is really just bullying mindlessly.
Blocked.
no such thing as authoritarian lib
Yeah, it's really inconvenient for y'all when people have a word to accurately summarize the fatal flaw in your ideology isn't it?
It's why they hate the words authoritarian and have to use their own definitions of it and imperialism. Just to avoid talking about all the war crimes, mass murder, mass rape, and everything else they agree was good.
Which country is not authoritarian?
China and Russia of course!!
/s
They also seem to mad that you pointed out Russia was on the Axis side originally and is acting like they were always on the Allied side.
Hey Hexbear is targeting you by the way. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
Yeah, they would apparently rather we all forgot that tidbit.
No they didn't. If a non-aggression pact allowing Nazi annexation of territory is equivalent to an alliance, then France and Britain allied with the Nazis multiple times before the Soviets. There is a reason about how the only non-aggression pact that you hear about is Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and not the Munich Agreements or the Franco-German Declaration, etc. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact came out of the Soviets being turned down multiple times by France and Britain to forming an anti-fascist alliance.
This is the selective remembrance of appeasement. It is ignored that that encompassed many non-aggression pacts with the Nazis and is only remembered to selectively invoke for war hawking. If we say a nation is evil, than not being on board with a war of aggression is actually evil (Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc.) and you are just like Chamberlain, whose only motivation was being a pussy. You can discuss the morality or effectiveness, but Molotov-Ribbentrop was to try to delay the war for preparation and that the Nazis wouldn't be stupid enough to start a war without their own oil and steel supplies and without preventing a possibility of a two front war with France/Britain, and the Soviets were caught flat-footed because of overestimating the rationality of the Nazis. There was also the worry that France and Britain might eventually join the Nazis since they were pretty vocal about fascism being a possible necessary evil as it is the most extreme form of anti-communism, even though the attempt of appeasement was trying to sit out an eventual war between the Nazis and USSR, since Judeo-Bolshevism was a thing Nazis believed before they even took power.
Britain didn't invade a country and split it with the Nazis lmao. They were hardly good guys (just ask the Bengalis), but they didn't form an offensive alliance with literally Hitler.
Wasn't Czechoslovakia (partially) split between the Nazis and Poland similar to how the Soviets initially split Poland with the Nazis? Not sure what Britain did in that direction, but this what I have heard from someone living/formerly living in the Czech republic
No. While an utterly shitty PR move for the time, Poland took a 801.5 km2 piece of the highly disputed territory, which was previously in a dramatic tug war between both countries, to a level that Czechoslovakia took it during the Polish-Soviet war.
It shouldn't have happened, it was an idiotic move for Poland even at the time and played right into Nazi propaganda...
Which you are repeating now, 87 years later. Who says it's the victors that write history...
It was not "similar to how the Soviets initially split Poland with the Nazis". Not even close. But UNLIKE Russia (that considers itself seemlingly the heir to the USSR), Poland history and multiple figures acknowledged that it was stupid and shameful.
While it is not justifying it, but is that really a major distinction. The purpose of several previous non-aggression pacts was to sign off on Nazi territorial annexation (again, selectively remembered with appeasement) of saying "it is okay to take the Sudetenland" and "We wont use the Anschluss as a Causus Belli". The reason the Soviets took the eastern part of Poland was to push the border west and that they felt that they could justify this by the fact that it was part of the Russian Empire and Soviet Russia during the revolution and that it was lost to get peace in WW1. That does not justify it, just that any talk about the Soviets, rather than France and Britain, being more compromised and accommodating to the Nazis or that the Soviets were more pro-Nazi than the West is demonstrably wrong and rewritting history for cold war reasons.
It's a lie that USSR-Germany made any agreement to split Poland. USSR liberated it before Germany could take control of the east.
Just like Russia has been "liberating" Ukraine.
No, the USSR did agree to take Eastern Poland in Molotov-Ribbentrop, but they did wait until after the Nazis took the western part before starting their invasion. A combination of waiting to see if Poland could fight off the Nazis, meaning that they didn't have to worry about further Nazi expansion, and after that moving the border west to provide more territory needing to be taken in an eventual war with Germany.
Secret protocol agreement may have existed, or the forgery backed up by 1990s Russia cozying up to west and joining Stalin derangement syndrome unanimity.
Still, the USSR did not encourage/applaud a nazi controlled Warsaw, and weather Germany could take entire country or not, would have been easier to buy tolerance for nazi controlled Warsaw. Requiring a defensive buffer proved prescient. "If you want a pact, accept us taking Warsaw"
"May have existed"?
Molotov himself inadvertently implied their existence numerous times in his conversations with Chuev (Molotov Remembers; Molotov-Chuev interviews between 1970-1986, published 1993).
Khrushchev acknowledged their existence in his memoirs, which nobody disputes the provenance of, and which were published in the West in the 1970s.
The CPSU itself acknowledged their existence at the end of 1989, and published their copy of the text in their official journal.
The literal Soviet documents, held by the General Department of the CPSU Central Committee, were located after the archives were declassified in 1992, and have since been published widely.
No party seems to dispute the existence of the secret protocols. If you have a single credible source that does, feel free to cite them.
Ok. Very likely existed. I was unaware of Kruschev/Molotov acknowledgements. Doesn't affect modern nazi mischaracterization that pact, even with that compromise, constitutes any semblence of an alliance between the 2 powers.
Hahahaha the history books you are reading are wild. I assume Finland also started the winter war?
Don’t be ridiculous, it was a summer war.
Lol please just shut up with your rewriting of history. No one is going to listen to your braindead ruzzian take on how the USSR was the good guys.
Lol, the cold war is over. You don't have to keep rewriting history to justify the US as the only good guys and that Klaus Barbie and Rheinhard Gehlen were misunderstood.
Tell your dear leader Putin that...
Putin is not my leader, inform your boss Trump.
Why do you got his dick in your mouth, then?
You do realize that Putin and the modern Russian Federation are both anti-communists? It is not 1985, though you might not realize that sitting in McCarthy and Nixon's open graves.
thats just amerikkka rewriting history with their mass propaganda machine haha
And here's a Ruzzian rewriting history to whitewash themselves.
Mentioning lemmy.ml in a thread in lemmy.world is like a bat signal to them. All the tankies come out of their hibernation to spread their bullshit. It's pretty funny and sad.
It reminds me of the olden days when inter-forum and later inter-subreddit drama was more of a thing. Meta reddit basically died as it got turned into a dripfeed of algorithmic misery rather than a collection of boards, but Lemmy is literally a collection of decentralised boards so it's just reverting to the norm.
They need to brigade in order to preserve their narratives: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
So a .world post calling out .ml is right and normal. But a Hexbear post calling out .world is EVIL TARGETED BRIGADING. Gotcha.
Calling out .world for what, exactly?
Yes, calling out actions is different than encouraging users to get into threads and attack users discussing your actions.
Is this why y'all think Russia is being defensive by invading ?
They're so sad and bitter. It'd be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.
It's maybe one old incel maskarading like a group from .ml
Soon more will follow. They mostly move in groups in matters of circlejerking that country and projecting phatasmal Nazis to defeat
They think they'll kill Nazis by shitposting online and snarking about it. https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
What the hell is that screenshot? Yeah they kind of do be in there shit talking it up. I guess that is a way to live
Always two there are.
"Everything I don't like must be Russian bots" - An instruction guide for childish fantasy
Yes yes, russia good, west bad, etc
Lol, can't you muster something better 😂
"Everyone rewrites history (exactly the same way) except Russia!!"
Lol
No no, its all CIA, the almighty propaganda machine that can rewrite any historical event they want and change the minds of all weak western peasants. Thank god for Communism and Lenin for seeing through the CIA bullshit. Where would we be without the .ml guys showing us the light?
Nazi's*
Fixed that for you. America literally hired former Nazis to write the history of the eastern front and did so knowing over looking his intentional rewriting of history to whitewash both the Nazis in general in the eastern front, and the generals specifically (Blaming Hitler for military decisions with bad outcomes.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Halder
Was this ml? I was banned for saying NATO was a defensive alliance.
Yep. Seems to be a running theme over there.
How dare you defend against my attacks!!
/s
"Damn, how'd our planes wind up in Libya? Well, I guess we have to defend ourselves against the ground in case it attacks. What luck that our planes just happen to be loaded up with bombs!"
Exhibit C.
Is not actually a reply when someone literally provides proof that you are wrong.
Proving something is false in math literally only requires a single counter-example.
That counter example was given. You're just too childish to admit you're wrong.
And what is especially funny is you lump everyone that disagrees with you as a tankie. Your childishness not allowing you to recognize that multiple different ideological views can lead to the same conclusion.
Libertarians and Communists can actually agree on some small things. the fact that they do doesn't make them the same.
Exhibit D.
Exhibit E.
Yes, it is indeed an exhibit that proves you wrong, thank you for labelling it as such.
If you are in a 'defensive alliance' with a bunch of countries that regularly engage in aggressive overseas invasions, ones in which you frequently if not always help and provide support. Then I'm sorry to inform you that you are in an 'offensive alliance'.
Most NATO countries have in some way helped with Trump's mindless war on Iran (I mean heck, Spain is basically famous for being the only one who won't). You have to admit there's nothing defensive about that.
Two things can be true at the same time. I know, wild concept.
thats because its not its an imperialist tool with nothing defensive about it, lib worlders man 😒
Exhibit A.
Points to guy that is completely correct "Haha, get a load of this guy!"
Exhibit B.
points at guy that is completely correct "Get a load of this guy!"
Bro you're not beating the allegations
Literally migrated instances because of midwest.social having performance/federation issues. But your account is younger than Trump first taking power in the US and putting loyalists in the US government, so...
.ml comm? It's pretty funny how they can't even run an online community without censorship.
When will you be spinning up your lemmy instance? I want you to show us how its done.
That last comment didn't lick my boot hard enough, you're permabanned!
Am I doing it right?
How many times did you make this logical fallacy in this thread?
???? Name a single successful online community that doesn't regularly ban or remove posts. 4chan is the closest thing to that, but I wouldn't call it a successful online community (and they still do ban and remove posts, just rarely).
??? Most places don't have a Rule 1 that basically states "don't disagree with our world view"
Not sure you are one to be the bastion of anti censorship
?
Is that not the entire point of your lemmy account? Being pro censorship?
??
God! Stop censoring them! /s just in case
Oh gosh, any snarky comments about the reality of China and the fact that they are pumping out more billionaires than the US always gets deleted on ML.
They are fucking delusional and ignore all evidence that challenges their bizarre viewpoints. When it comes to Russia they are even worse. They are not wrong about Russia doing the heavy lifting in WWII, but they are definitely being assholes about it.
Whenever I am on Lemmy and noticed someone being very passive aggressive around politics you can almost guarantee they are from ML.
I have found that if u make a legitimate argument backed by facts that are irrefutable, the mod will ban you and delete all your comments for breaking from their echo chamber. Decided to return the favor for their whole instance so I no longer have the misfortune of seeing any of the drivel on their communities. Sucks because there was a couple I enjoyed despite the tankies, but there's much better alternative communities on other instances that won't kick u out for having a differing opinion. .ml/hexbear basically = authoritarian cuck, it's like the communist version of Trump supporters as weird as that sounds.
I have also noticed this a few weeks ago. I don't know whats with the snarky, ignorant, immature attitude, but its always .ml
Don't take it personal. There are some deep Tankie holes on Lemmy, primarily .lm, they'd even take offense if you were suggesting, that maybe not absolutely everything is splendid in North Korea and I am not kidding or exaggerating here.
They are so weird there. They were arguing that North Korea is definitely not an authoritarian regime and also definitely not starving their citizens or some stupid shit, and one of them started yelling about how I probably believed North Koreans all had the same haircut because of the mainstream media, which I... didn't, but I said if they did, it wouldn't be crazy because they have less diverse media to access, but also that wouldn't have anything to do with why North Korea's government is bad, but I was just so confused why they were mad about it.
Deep Tankie Holes are what I'm calling my Lemmy moderator themed porno
Are you looking for talent?
Yeah, what talents you got?
You think they're bad at ml? Wait till you get a load of hexbear.
I like hexbear's cute pictures. They, unfortunately, do not like me. That's okay, it is their instance to run after all. They should run it how they want.
Its not like they purposely built a secret ban list in server hosting software and tried to hide it from the people who downloaded it.
I'm glad we can all find common ground on the "admiral Patrick is a douchebag" front.
Fr, I despise the Tankie devs authoritarianism, but at the very least they don't do some shady reddit corpo shit with their code (for the most part)
Sometimes a user's views don't align with the echo chamber they are posting in. When that happens in a political community, it usually ends in removal to protect said echo chamber.
I never see anyone get called a Nazi in cat picture communities.
Like with the assholes that run LateStageCapitalism.
Look at the mods. It's a tankie bar.
If you check the mod logs, it’s not even the mods that run their own instances. It’s mostly the admins.
Fitting in an authoritarian shithole, isn’t it?
Those two are specifically emmirants from .ml. Ones with a colorful history in the modlog, though you'd have to use their .ml handle
So just like reddit? That's disappointing.
Fair enough. I just thought it was weird to get called a Nazi for disagreeing that the USSR didn't singlehandedly defeat the Nazis.
Rule 1 in .ml is to not disagree with the tankies, so better avoid that place.
You're better off blocking Lemmy.ml
People keep talking about blocking .ml, yet I still see cringe as fuck feudposting all the time. Curious.
hOW dArE PeOpLe cALl OuT My InSTanCes CeNSorShip aNd AuThOriTaRiaNisM
plz do, us communists wouldnt mind a drop off of libs and an increase in iq
Then why the fuck do you idiots come to other servers and sign up once you realize a large portion of the fediverse has your instance blocked? Seems to me, you're the one who can't stay away from "libs".
And they flock to threads like this. Every time. Like it's their job.
Yep, it's like a damn bat signal when they show up.
Probably projection that they say .world is a cia Honeypot.
If you want to avoid them, you should stop making accounts on their instances and going into their spaces. Hope this helps!
Remember this is just Reddit for people who think they are better than redditors
It's people using a discussion platform to talk like people do. That's been going on much longer than Reddit. And they always think they're better than the other ones. Again, people being people.
I wish I didn't get ip banned on Reddit.
i did a test, after 1+year of shadowbanned, a new account dint get banned, i avoid the major subreddits though. im guessing reddit gauges ban based on severity like ban evasion attempts, bots/spammers i think will have a difficult time making accounts(unless they are paying for mehtods to evading).
different IP+ device still work. but i am only there sparingly, asking niche subs that arnt on reddit.
i got site banned from reddit for posting a picture of my cat on my porch.
by the 'cats can't ever be outside' people reporting my post as violence.
there are extremist nutcases in every community. the problem is they are hypocritical bad faith actors, almost always. who feel anyone that represents anything they dislike means they should have free reign to abuse and harass those people.
"echo chamber" haha thats rich comin from the lib servers 🤣
So your insgance is not an echo chamber and this one is? Based on...?
Oh, is it because you get downvotend and shit talked here? Do note the lack of removed comments and bans.
Surely you can disagree and say Russia is bad for invading places. Surely that's not going to be removed, right?
Or say Stalin wasn't perfect. Surely the modlog on .ml doesn't have thousands of those comments removed.
I talk shit about every nation state. The only thing a nation state is good for is fielding an army.
My time on Lemmy drastically improved when I blocked the "Tankie Triad", which is Lemmygrad, Hexbear, and Lemmy(dot)ml. I also unsubscribed from anything .ml and manually searched for the next most-popular non-tankie community for that topic.
I don't care if you have different beliefs than me, but tankies are unreasonable, trolling, and biased, in both content and moderation. They're not around to discuss anything in good faith...
Yeah, those places should be covered by the FAQ or something.
A much better solution would be for every other instance to just defederate them.
You are free to make your own instance and defederate.
That is indeed a good idea, but doesn't fix the problem for the new people coming to Lemmy via popular instances like lemmy.world.
Unfortunately most places can’t just defederate from .ml.
They’re the developers of lemmy. For instance owners to keep on top of updates and shit they need to be federated. World already did defederate from lemmygrad and hexbear.
gots to block those evil communists! can't have anything not approved by the empire getting into my liberal echo chamber!! 🥀
Nah, communists are cool. Tankies can get fucked.
"Tankies" are the actual left liberal 🫠
No, tankies are idiots who think that a communist nation can do no wrong. Just like Ancaps think that capitalist nations can do no wrong.
"tankie" is a meaningless anticommie slur it has no real definition
What did daddy Hasan call your ilk? Woke 11 or something? Folks who can't hang. Ones that progressives have to work around because you're allergic to touching grass.
Da, Comrade.
No, it's being used properly here. Y'all are the ones who need to make up new definitions and encyclopedias to defend yourselves.
Like "liberal" is anti-west slur that has no meaning?
I mean - its literally the paradox of tolerance. Tankie instances wont let you speak freely. Tankies are free to spam their shit here though. Notice how you have not been banned yet?
So basically you don't lose much by blocking the tankie triad. It just means you can discuss without randomly being blocked/banned. There are most definitely other instances/commukities that ban people for bad reasons, and I would promote blocking them too. Fuck the power tripping mods/admins.
The Soviets raped and killed everything in sight when they entered Romania. They can go to hell with their "help". They fought the nazis, and they took advantage of the rest of us.
Nevermind how they installed a communist regime that ruined romania for like a decade or whatever. Not that communism is bad but that one sure was.
I don't think you speak for all Romanians
https://tvpworld.com/87994994/majority-of-romanians-nostalgic-for-communism-study-shows
The majority's opinion doesn't mean shit. Do I need to remind everyone that America voted an old geezer pedophile billionaire bastard for president?
No, I don't speak for all Romanians. I'm glad I don't.
Ceausescu was an installed leader that had only Russia's interests in mind, which wanted everything the leaders from other countries had, like Russia, North Korea, and other such countries. He wanted massive parrades, massive buildings, massive ego-boosting bullshit.
He then made all lthat happen. In the process, indebted the country MASSIVELY. It took us decades to recover, and the Romanian worker paid for it, not him and his cronies. In the end he was executed by the revolution on Christmas for his acts of treason against his working class. Those people that stood up to him were heroes.
Those that praise Ceausescu often say that he got rid of our debts. BUT HE CREATED THOSE DEBTS, with his ego-spending and megalomany
Those that like Ceausescu are idiots. They are the same people that like George Simion and Calin Georgescu.
It actually means a whole lot more than your inane drivel.
I only spat out facts, go check all of that yourself and argue like a man if you disagree instead of saying the equivalent of "NU-HUH"
The fact is most people who live in your country disagree with you.
No, that is Nazi propaganda that the US continued propagating through the cold war since it made the Soviets look bad. While there were definitely rapes that occurred, that happens with every occupying army, there was never any evidence of this being a policy or something tolerated by the officers. Any attempt to quantify this shows that American and British soldiers were more prolific in rapes of French women than Soviets anywhere on the Eastern Front, even though the usual refrain is just that the Soviets were better at covering it up than the US or UK, the lack of evidence is itself evidence. Also, most of the studies of this shows that having armed women combat fighters on the front and a more gender integrated military really cut down on the usual "boys will be boys" attitude of not addressing these things.
The other attempt to try to demonstrate this is the huge spike of recorded abortions in East Germany after the war, but if you think for a second about how Nazi Germany and West Germany outlawed abortions, but abortions became fully legal under East Germany, there might have been another explanation.
...meanwhile...
Begone tankie
Joseph "defeated the Nazis and beat the Americans to space" Stalin, lol
Which one of your living presidents isn't a war criminal?
Show Stalin himself, on record, expressing approval for war crimes
Living proof you have to have some cognitive deficiency to subscribe to the tankie narrative. Go touch some grass or eat dirt or something, the internet is rotting your brain.
Im not the same guy, I just thought you were a dumbass. Thanks for proving me right, I guess?
Never said you were? I guess it's probably easy for you to hallucinate persecution narratives since you spend so much time flooding your brain with garbage. Thanks for proving me right I guess
Lmao. You're like devoid of self awareness. It's fascinating.
You're fucking stupid. My family has first hand experience with all of that, you fucking tankie idiot.
Awee someone doesn't know how to articulate a coherent thought so they just resort to becoming a li'l cave man, Hahaha.
CoMmUnISm BadDDDddd capitalist daddy said so!
My bad I should've known even mentioning communism would make you cum all over yourself
I even said It's not bad but I think you came before getting to the last part
This is the peak .ml thought
Mods on Lemmy are like the mods on reddit but on steroids. They'll ban you for completely petty nonsense.
First, some people on lemmy are simply stupid. Doesn't make sense to engage with everyone.
Second, a lot of people on lemmy like to ignore what you really say and find some hidden messages everywhere. "You didn't say you hate X so you must love Y, you nazi/homophobe/racist/communist/whatever". Not much you can do about it. It's best to just block them.
Yeah like others have said they don't like people saying bad things about China or Russia. I'm banned from a few places for saying jack ma (founder of ali-baba) was disappeared for re-education since he used to be a huge critic of the Chinese government, went missing for like a week, then came back and suddenly started praising the Chinese government and thats not even a little sus?
it's hard to tell why because all of your comments have been deleted
Deleted for saying the Soviets didn't win the war singlehandedly.
Should still be in the modlog, right?
Ah shit, I think I was the guy you responded too! Sorry about what happened. I upvoted your reply. You are right, the Soviets had a lot of help. I just meant they bore most of the brunt of the war in Europe and that I, as an 80s kid, was never taught this in history class.
No, it wasn't you. These guys were calling me a Nazi for saying it was a group effort.
One was called EmmiLime and the other was Gary_Host_Laptop
Gary host is the hardcore tankie mod of .mls memes comm (and a few others iirc)
That explains a lot.
Yeah. Welcome to lemmy.ml
Many of us just block all the communities of lemmy.ml. this way you are out of reach of the tankie mods.
Unfortunately, lemmy.ml is one of the big instances, so you're also cutting a big chunk of Lemmy content. But if enough people join the ml boycott (there are already a lot of people that block ml), eventually ml will shrink and other more sensible instances will prevail.
Actually, according to lemmyverse.net (great place for comm discovery btw!) and my own experience cross posting .ml content, .ml is almost entirely held up by a core set of the most diehard tankie users. Most .ml comms are overshadowed by comms on other instances with much higher Monthly Active Users numbers.
The comm search field goes by pure subscriber count which doesn't really decrease for any reason other than a user actually unsubscribing from a comm so all of those insane numbers on some .ml comms are just overinflated and don't reflect actual traffic. It's full of dead and/or banned accounts, alts and some still active users
Why come to a Marxist website and then block the Marxist creators lmfao. Just go back to reddit.
I'm not in a Marxist website. Notice how my name doesn't end in "Lemmy.ml", "Lemmygrad.org" or "hexbear.net". :)
Also Marxist and tankie is not the same thing. I could be a Marxist and still call out the boot licking tankieness going on in .ml
Who created lemmy, lol?
A tankie did. But Lemmy is not a website. You were talking about websites. The website my account is in is lemmy.world. which is not run by tankies. And tankies do not have any moderation power. Why would a non-tankie avoid a website that is not run or moderated by tankies?
I just see a lot of tankies because Lemmy is a federated system, and one of the big instances is controlled by tankies. I can just block that instance's communities (as I already do) and move on with my life without being fed tankie-curated-and-moderated content.
Your condescending and pedantic tone is so cliche, lmao.
If you're starting your interaction with me by telling me to go away, then I'm gonna hit you with all the pedantry I can possibly throw out at once.
If you want respectful conversation, don't start by being disrespectful :)
I expected nothing less!
Well, the tone seems appropriate to your behaviour.
If only. .ml is a bunch blind nut jobs,that's it. There is no actually goal.
Have another drink, Ray.
Which worldnews? IIRC there are multiple communities called that way.
Also you should stop using Facebook and Tiktok, it's not good for your brain and for democracy.
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What does Facebook and tiktok have to do with anything?
lemmy.ml is a tankie instance. Anyone and anything from there can be disregarded entirely.
liberal worlder: "Tankies = anything remotely leftist"
The two lead devs literally have Fidel Castro and Che Guevara, two of the most horrific scum in history, as their idols and spend their time dick riding Mao. They’re openly Tankies.
Fidel Castro tortured and executed thousands of political dissidents.
Guevara implemented concentration camps for gays and literally took the motto of Auschwitz “work sets you free” turning it into “work will turn you into men”. Except he just had them tortured and executed. Along with hundreds of other political dissidents, himself personally taking part in the torture and murder of 216 people, making him one of the most prolific serial killers in history.
Now, fuck off tankie. The only good commie is a dead commie.
And yet things got significantly better for the Cuban people. Makes you wonder how bad things were under the Batista slavery regime, doesn't it?
Let me guess, you'd hate Nat Turner, too right?
Seriously though: how do you reconcile your view above with American celebration of Nat Turner?
Do you ever think about the moral implications of Nat Turner?
haha yea! Amerikkka had no reason to lie about anything to do with cuba not lik they led the red scare and mercilessly shutdown any country that wanted communism, im sure they would tots not propagandize Castro.
go ahead and give me a non cia source then, zionazi lib
You're supposed to block them.
It's web sites for idiots, like the .ml users.
"Well, you haven't blocked lemmy.ml. I can only assume you're also on Facebook and/or TikTok..."
The icons are on the notification bar next to the clock.
Honestly didn't register them. Makes my line less funny, but the OP even funnier.
Was not called a world war for nothing. There were tons of countries on the “Allies” side and tons on the “Axis” side. A simple search for WWII Allies member or WWII Axis members will show who fought on each side.
There are to many to list here. Britain, Soviet Union, USA, Canada and China to name a few for the allies.
Nazi Germany, Italy, Japan, Republic of Finland, Hungary for the Axis side.
Edit forgot Italy.
Don't forget Italy.
Thanks, fixed.
You forgot to include USSR on the Axis side too.
Yes they were but switched later on. If people want more in depth they can have a gander. There is so much stuff in it all.
Consistently applying that logic would put nearly all the Allies on the Axis side
Which countries did the other pacts agree on invading? None? Probably the reason you don't hear about the other deals. They were obviously meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
A non aggression pact is avoiding war, not joining a side, in the majority of cases.
Unless the pact includes defining who they can invade without stepping each other's toes like the USSR and Germany.
Hm.. like some sort of agreement to.. avoid.. aggression. I wonder what we could call that.
What even is your point? Hitler obviously did not honor most of the pacts, so what is there to talk about them? You treat this like some kind of sick gotcha, which it isn't?
Well the “non-aggression pact” was the only one that actually saw the start of WWII when the Soviet Union and Germany jointly invaded Poland and split the territory between the two. If Hitler hadn’t gotten greedy and turned on the Soviets, everything would have turned out differently.
This post is better suited for [email protected].
Just so you know, that community (really instance) is so biased they literally won't allow any criticism of your home instance...
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/39126561?scrollToComments=true
If a place to highlight mod abuse only allows posts they agree with, it's propaganda.
Like, of all the communities that bias would be a problem, a place to complain about moderation is probably where it's the biggest problem.
That being said, there's a fair chance you were already aware of that and have somehow rationalized it being ok
Personally feel that was pretty rational considering the sheer amount of transphobic vitriol those threads always drew. I was tired of seeing them every time I scrolled, and some of the alt spamming transphobia stuff was completely out of hand. If you read the thread you linked announcing it, they also only banned a very specific genre of YPTB thread related to Blahaj, and other posts about Blahaj are still allowed.
Feel like you are representing this really unfairly.
If you look at the timestamps that's an at least 2 year old post that recently seemed to get relaxed...
I've had both those instances blocked for at least two years, and was running off memory.
But I did take the time to search blajah just now, that mod post is the only post. It's possible there's some that just have a community name and are from that instance, but I doubt it.
I also just don't really care that much about drama with two instances I've had blocked for years.
Both places are full of power tripping mods/admins, whem I run into those places, I block them and move on
So you led with a complete fabrication (2 years ago the admin of db0 is saying the ban should only cover that topic and that it should be temporary)
Which is why you felt the need to comment and lie about them. Sure thing. Any other things you don't care about you want to weigh in on unprompted?
Also I just looked and a post about 196 on Blahaj and transphobia is the 3rd post from the top excluding the pinned thread. 😂
I'm not sure why you'd think I'd have seen that when I just said it was blocked for years...
But I looked:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76216189?scrollToComments=true
The blajah admin saw comments they didn't like on a different instance, and instead of blocking the right person, blocked someone else....
I'm not sure why you'd support admins banning people for comments on completely different instances, but I honestly don't give a fuck, am not gonna try to change your mind, and am never going to see any other comments you ever post.
They immediately reversed the ban and handled it graciously, but I pointed this out because your assertion was you can't criticize Blahaj at all on that comm or that instance. Something that happened less than ten days ago, and where everyone walked away happy. Please by all means block me for pointing out the egg on your face
Db0 is evil for not tolerating transphobia, I guess?
Imagine getting caught in a lie and saying the truth is the problem.
If I had to choose between having a conversation with someone from ml or dbzer0, id just give myself a concussion and take a nap.
Edit: I need to correct myself. ml doesnt seem that bad and I think I got it mixed up with something else. Might be losing my mind a little.
What's wrong with db0? They don't like Hexbear.
User is likely right-leaning. They tend to hate anarchists and MLs just as much.
I don't hate anarchists, I hate people that fucking cosplay as anarchists.
Edit: some of you over there are alright, if not great, but unfortunately the "super cool" theming of the instance doesn't really help. Some people see anarchism as just some cool thing, while they would be willing to punch down on service workers just to prove a point. This is a fun example of why it's better for me to just not engage.
I might run into you at union action or protests on the same side, but this is just exhausting.
I don't think any of us likes "punching down on service workers". I'm not sure where you get that vibe.
Someone from there boasting about littering in govt and corporate owned places, and me getting pissed about the strain that puts on the minimum wage cleaners that are already stressed enough as is, and seeing the response to that from others - that ended up making me lose my cool in a bad way that I'd like to avoid from happening.
I'm pretty sure all of the context has been nuked, and I'm sorry if one instance has made me unfairly mark it as a place to avoid for my own sanity and personal growth goals.
There are schools of thought here and the tankies add their own brand of insanity to it. The Soviets contributed the most and lost the most. Without the Eastern front, the war couldn't have been won.
They only lost the most due to their tendency to throw bodies at a problem until it went away. They didn't have to lose so many.
They were severely under equiped. Hitler sent almost everyone east near the end. As with most things, the issue is complex and multifaceted.
Sadly not true. It’s explain some but not all of their loss
Lend-lease went a long way towards remedying that, though. Hence my entire group effort argument. The Russians rolled into Berlin in Studebakers after all.
The "human wave" thing is a myth. It's true that the Soviets were under-equipped at the start due to having to develop from a pre-industrial society, and it's also true that they were militarily inexperienced, partially because of the officer purges.
However, if you actually look into to Soviet strategies and tactics, they innovated and adapted quickly. They kept meticulous, accurate records, and learned from their mistakes in an almost scientific way. The most notorious blunder was at Stalingrad, and was a result of Stalin meddling with the Red Army and pressuring them instead of letting them do their thing, but after that, he backed off.
A typical Soviet battle plan involved holding a wave in reserve until a breach was made in enemy defenses, then sending them forward to do as much damage as possible to the rear line and support. Then, they would evaluate whether they could hold the position against reinforcements, and retreat if necessary, satisfied with the damage.
This can be starkly contrasted with the Nazi approach to war. The Nazis did not put emphasis on supply lines or support, instead glorifying the image of the heroic ubermensch on the front lines. Nazi battle records were completely inaccurate, focused entirely on trying to avoid or shift blame to avoid reprecussions. The idea of retreating from a position before reinforcements showed up would be unthinkable, you'd be shot for cowardice.
Technologically, where the Soviets focused on building things that were cheap, efficient, easy to mass produce and repair, because they saw war as being primarily about logistics (being communists, and understanding labor as a driving force ideologically), Nazi technology was over engineered and difficult to both repair and produce. Nazi tanks were designed to look, feel, and be powerful (to accommodate their individualistic power fantasies, again, in line with their ideology), and when they worked and could be fielded they performed well, but they could not be produced in anything like the same numbers (once Soviet manufacturing capabilities had time to catch up).
The reality is that the heavy Soviet losses included a lot of civilian casualties, because the Nazis were genocidal and exterminationist. They slaughtered villages en masse, just for being, in their eyes, racially inferior. A very significant chunk of Soviet territory was subject to the Holocaust. This "human wave" narrative, on top of being completely ahistorical and not supported by evidence, also downplays the severity of Nazi war crimes.
Lemmy.ml is a no go zone for those not drinking the eastern fascists wearing a communist mask kool-aid.
Let me guess you're American and you voted for genocide.
Everyone voted for genocide in our glorious two party system! We are so efficient in the US that we've decided to head towards a one party government. Im sure a artificially limited number of political parties is not an issue with democrats. 1 is only 1 less then 2 after all, hardly a difference.
Dont worry blue maga, you will be able to earn your incremental change in republican primaries. I'm excited to see how the pros do it.
Goteem
I got in an argument because someone there claimed the only reason the holocaust is commemorated is to support zionism and I said that there might be other reasons too to commemorate a genocide. Then I made a negative comment about put in the same thread and it was deleted immediately.
Some groups and servers have a very lose connection to reality. Get used to it.
Was this on .ml? The’re just a bunch of wannabe communist posers and the biggest collection of mentally handicapped authoritarians social media has ever seen.
You were given a gift. Now see it through and block that shirhole of an instance.
Already did. They're nuts.
To be fair the users of .ml aren't all bad, but their mods are, as are their enforcers. Hexbear is even worse. It's top down, it's not organic entirely, it's the long palsied arm of russian intelligence, pushing an ideologogy that if they pushed it in Russia or China would get sent to a gulag or reeducations camp.
no idea. yeah everyone knows they allied with them initially and then had to fight when germany attacked them. I mean lets not forget that western powers where appeasing until like poland and the us came latest of all. But you would have to be an idiot to not see that it was the us that tipped the scales and basically stopped them.
hahaha yeah amerikkka rly tipped the scales coming in at the very end just in time to claim credit and not actually do shit, liberals 🤣
The very end? The US entered the war in 1941. The war ended in 1945.
It's not true. Even if it was the Soviets there were millions of human hands involved
.ml is tankie horseshit
I guess all that lend lease equipment we used to prop up the weak soviet industry had nothing to do with it. They thanked us by making a clone of the B-29.
as if they dont realize russia uses nazis currently in the war, at least for wagner.
World news is modded by zionists, or is this a different world news? Lemmy has like a lot with similar names. It's a thing on here too, although less so. Especially on world news with zionists.
It's the .ml one
They are aggressive in making sure their sheep do not get counter manipulated.
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the total USSR causalities were around 27 million, western allies casualties were a combined 1.7 million in all theaters.
calling it a 'group effort' does imply an equal contribution, which is what gets peoples hackles up.
What kind of a person reads about a huge number of dead humans and thinks "ah, a contribution to the war effort". That explains so much, really.
honestly an incredible comment to make while the OP is talking about "The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem", just feels performative.
the point was that the eastern front was 70-80% of the german war effort and OP was replying to someone saying:
It also goes to show how the USSR needed the help and without it being a group effort the citizens of the USSR would have suffered even more.
i'm not going to deny that the USSR would have suffered more without lend-lease, but that's true of any alliance member receiving material support.
the issue i see is that when people talk about this, 27 million to 1.7 million loss ratio gets passed through the narrative and emerges as an equal partnership. Yes the USSR got like 10 billion in material from the US, but the eastern front was 70-80% of the entire german war effort. The lend lease didn't even arrive in significant amounts until after the battle for stalingrad.
the OOP comment that OP replied to was this, on the subject of how the US hasn't won a war:
d-day could not have happened without the soviets turning the tide on their own. you can call it a group effort but that makes it sound like it was equal participation.
Girl, I'm not here to downplay the contributions of the USSR nor did I. I'm also not OOP. I know basic history. You already said that you object to calling it a group effort. What was the point of this comment?
I also never downplayed their contribution.
The Soviet tendency to throw bodies at a problem until it went away is largely to blame for their high casualties though. And without allied support they'd have lost even more.
Hey look, Hexbear is directly attacking you and calling you a Nazi for... checks notes saying Soviets helped with the war? https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/76613775
No, for repeating the "human wave" myth which is ahistorical nonsense.
guy is a specialist in selective comprehension. i can't even be mad, he's too pathetic
It's throwing bodies at a problem when Russia defeats the Nazis, but it's waves of brave men sacrificing themselves when it's America defeating Japan.
Strange how that works isn't it?
that is just dehumanizing. the front was extremely brutal and most of the fighting and dying happened there as a result.
stalingrad was where things turned in 1942-1943, lend lease was arriving but was not exactly significant until after 1943. soviet commanders did acknowledge the value of the lend lease, but the way it's been spun since then is like someone showing up to a group project late, doing a fraction of the work and trying to claim the spotlight afterwards.
The USSR was good at that
Sure, if you ignore North Africa, Western Europe, and the Pacific Theatre.
This whole "the US showed up late and claimed victory" narrative is just as stupid as acting like the USSR didn't do anything.
27 million to 1.7 million losses in all theaters. the eastern front was 70-80% of the entire german war effort. The lend lease didn’t even arrive in significant amounts until after the battle for stalingrad.
the original comment you replied to that started this off was this:
you have managed to really move the goalposts in your pity thread
The USSR having no concern for their own fighting men is not a plus towards this argument. Germany lost 3-4 million on that front. 3-4 million in comparison to 27 million shows that the Soviet strategy of throwing wave after wave of bodies was a bad strategy.
It was a good strategy. Because they, ya know, won the fucking war. Jesus christ, lmao.
the 27 million includes approximately 16-19 million civilians who were systematically exterminated or died under occupation.
blaming soviet military strategies for those deaths is historically illiterate. the nazi invasion was explicitly genocidal in intent, those civilians weren't casualties of soviet tactics.
Okay? That still doesn't mean that the Soviets won the war singlehandedly, which is the argument that was being made. Around 11 million Soviet soldiers and sailors were lost. The only excuse for that is strategy. Losing 11 million to 4 million is , frankly, awful and the only reason they didn't lose completely was that they had the numbers.
This thread is making me lose brain cells.
Ho so?
So many bad takes.
Like what?
"Everyone's blocklist should look exactly like mine."
"I wish people would just stop talking about my instances admin's authoritarian ideology, toxic behavior and censorship"
I try not to engage on politics here. Waste of my time and makes me just feel bad in general.
In that case, it seems weird to have commented at all.
That's fine. You can think of it what you want.
then why did you comment?
look, poland being carved up by the nazis and stalin is history. it's not a bad take, it's literally history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
the ML people are bonkers.
Because I didn't think a short comment expressing my feelings would be such a big deal that multiple people come to complain about it.
Thanks for adding nothing.
No problem.
Modern nazi revisionism is that the 1939 Germany-USSR pact means they were BFFs. It appears you would have repeated the nonsense. Generally, that nonsense is encouraged on this server, but not .ml . It's not clear which worldnews banned you.
if .ml, you would not have been banned for headline. But perhaps you included common cluelessness you would be unaware of.
itt a bunch of anticommie liberals dont kno what I expected coming from [email protected] but at the same time it was exactly what I expected haha 🥀
You talk like a child.
Picking on the way people talk is equally childish.
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