and every single time an idea that could've been genuinely worthwhile with enough time to gestate got rushed out and smothered by lame ass realization.
it was kinda cool around the same time OG WoW launched and up until late 2000s. After that it fell by a wayside because it was basically a bunch of chatrooms disguised as MMO. The only thing really worth checking out is the Chris Marker's space - there's a Youtube presentation about it
zuck did immeasurable harm to vr by trying to dominate the field. utter decimation of expectations. he made a fool out of all of it.
i like what i've seen about the steam frame so far and look forward to having one hopefully. never, not once, not ever, shall i pressure anyone else into it; it's a personal interest, personal to ME and others who choose to adopt it.
I partially disagree. It got standalone VR much more popular. I dislike all the Facebook stuff but as far as the headset goes, it is genuinely decent. Like I personally use a Lenovo explorer so it's about as cheap as it gets. But there are times I wish I got a quest because I could get away with wireless streaming from my PC.
It is a good compromise from all angles but I'm betting Facebook/meta is subsidizing the shit out of it.
Gee, it's almost like pressuring people into something makes it super not enjoyable for anyone. Anywho, I'm off to Google something only to scroll past the AI generated response I didn't ask for and can't disable.
They were held in a poorly designed browser-based crypto wallet that only weirdos know how to use, so when normies wanted in on the get rich quick scheme, they would easily get confused and authorize third parties full access to the wallet.
I met someone once who had "invested" in these. Like, thousands of pounds. He thought he was super clever, talked down to us because we were so far out of the loop. I do wonder what happened to him. Poor guy.
I hate the purported FOMO those bastards always promote to wide-eyed numbskulls wanting to be on the cutting edge of anything. Or mobsters wanting to get their money either laundered or splurge onto the most absurd.
The moment it was clear they couldn't figure out what the "Next Big Thing" was they started throwing shit at the wall before going "well if we can't find the next best thing, we'll force it on them!"
Ageing a really funny experience. As a young person being left behind like that was unthinkable. I'd do anything to not get left behind. Now that I am a lot older I couldn't care less if I get left behind. I've found what makes me happy, I don't need to keep up anymore. It's so freeing.
To be fair, nfts and vr were never forced on consumers quite like AI is. VR is incredible for certain types of gaming. NFTs are also incredible too. They allow you to quickly identify morons with disposable income.
Correct, the only idiotic thing about VR is buying your hardware from Mark Zuckerberg. As the folks in the VR community here are already aware, I got my Steam Frame the other day and basically the only reason I've had to take it off my face since then is because the thing has a finite battery life.
It's a good product that doesn't request you to sell your soul to use it. It's definitely expensive but for people who have that money and are into VR it's the best thing ever.
It also has the valve factor. In a landscape that consumer electronics are anti consumer, it’s more alluring to buy something you might not need if it’s not enshitified.
For example, I don’t really need a steam controller but boy do I want one.
I don't want to sound like too much of a fanboy, but I've owned every first-party device of theirs so far, even the old physical Steam Link, the OG Controller, and the Vive which I count as theirs, and they've consistently hit the sweet spot of what I want out of hardware:
No hostility to the user; very tinkerer friendly; a good balance of build quality, ergonomics, and features without going into diminishing returns; long-lasting software support (even the market failure of the Steam Link has recent firmware updates); forwarding wider Linux and gaming software ecosystems; etc.
At this point, I'm just grabbing them if I have even an occasional use case for them, and I don't regret it one bit. My Frame comes in tomorrow, and I'm very excited.
I'm on the waitlist and can't wait to get my hands on it. I'm a gamer since the 80s, and it's the first VR device i actually can't wait to get my hands on. The prospect of getting a VR headset that is as well supported as any valve hardware while not spying on me is simply great. If others are like me, it explains a lot why the line is so long.
Edit: My specific use case is as an replacement for a large TV for playing games on. It takes less space and is less invasive than any Smart-TV nowadays.
I wish it was flying. I managed to get on the reservation list (not waitlist) and two weeks later I am still waiting for my turn to even order one. Valve seems completely overwhelmed with the demand. Good for them I guess but come on, I haaaate waiting.
And all the joy of also being a small Linux computer, still with the eyeballs thing. Hit "desktop" in the hotbar on the bottom and you're looking at a KDE environment.
Most programs can also be opened into a separate full-screen styled floating window you can stick wherever in virtual space, independent of the base desktop.
Most of us can't drop 1k+ on a headset. My oculus which I got for 300 is still going strong after 2 years. And no, you don't need a FB (edit: META) account. Piracy is also quite available for us 3rd world countrymen
Think Valve said something about that in the future. Also you can use a power bank while using was also mentioned. If I'll get the money I'm definitely buying steam frame rather than to buy spy hardware.
I've got a 100W charger with a long cable and a 50000mAh power bank for the go. The hotswappable battery pack they said they will release is nice, but it's not a have-to-buy thingy.
Can you explain why you love it so much? I was going to give it away to my friend that did not win the lottery after only a day.
Battery life is terrible.
Interface outside of games is super unintuitive imnho. I still can't figure out how to actually move the central window or right clock in desktop mode.
I also can't figure out how to install apks. I want to install android plex.
And the game I had super high expectations for, the 11 table tennis is meh.
Overall my experience has been very sweaty and frustrating.
I'm genuinely curious if it really sucks or I'm just not the target audience. I really wanted to love it, but I find it not worth the money at all. Like $500 maybe would've been ok. To be clear, I'm very technical - both professionally and as a hobby.
You can move the main center window and the dashboard bar by grabbing the long skinny horizontal stripe beneath either them, same as moving any other floating window. Unless you hit "float in world" on the center window the dashboard/taskbar/clock will remain pinned to the bottom of it.
The inverse L shaped grab handle on the lower right of any window allows you to resize it. When you are holding it, pushing the analog stick forward or back will move it closer to you or farther away.
Word on the street is that you can use FrameDrop to put .apks (and other executables) into your Frame's library. I haven't had occasion to try it; my main interest in onboard software has been regular productivity-ish apps that run natively in Linux. I stream actual games from my desktop PC, which is approximately three million times more powerful than the Frame itself.
Notably VR also generally wasn't the main pitch. It was just seen as axillary. The reason they promoted it as the next big thing, was the """metaverse""". Definitions varied, but it was generally a social media platform owned by the seller, and/or was virtual real estate.
It's solvable if you take surveillance capitalism out of the equation, just as Valve are doing. AR with Meta behind it will never be something that is socially acceptable since their whole business model is selling out the user and everyone around them. With a company like Valve which has a pretty good track record regarding privacy (a.k.a the only things transferred regarding usage are what games you play to make store recommendations fit your taste and bug reports if you approve them) i can see a wider adoption taking place.
I don't think that's true, your personal privacy as the owner of the device is one thing, everyone else's right to not be continuously photographed is another. Having Valve operate it over meta doesn't solve that. Also, what happens when Gabe does and the investment bank that buys it decides they want to sell everyone data to maximise profit?
These things can be done in a privacy respecting way for other parties too. The computational power needed to realize a person is in the field of view and to process this person saying "i consent" is in everyones pocket nowadays.
I think if you can plan for somehow allowing concent for these things then you can also plan for bypassing it. Also it would need to film you to work out if you don't consent and then it's already breached the consent.
There's a difference between passively waiting for a voice command by a person identified in RAM and storing these things. And sure, there will always be people breaking the rules, but if you actually try to make the product secure, the vast amount of people will NOT be fucking around with that.
Take Metas PervGlasses for example: There's a LED that shows it is recording. You can remove that light with a simple dremel, and no one at Meta even thought about implementing a simple check like making the LED flash a OTP code to be recognized by the camera at the start of recording. It makes a whole lot of difference who is developing these things, trust me.
Honestly I don't need a camera or anything integrated but I'd love to have an integrated screen for my glasses. Would be nice when putting things together to just sync it with my phone and just have it there, also maps. Look I have to wear glasses all the time might as well add a tiny bit more utility.
But are they intigratable in pre existing glasses? My prescription is non negotiable due to how bad my eyesight is without and I can't do contacts. Also having them sync with my phone and having them do little to no processing would be my preferred method, rather than having them contain all the computational shit themselves.
Ew USB C wired connection no thanks. This would legit be a hard non starter for me, in my experience USB C wears out relatively fast and tends to fuck up on the data connection side even if the charging still works. Honestly with this type of thing I'll probably wait until I can just build my own thing, between proprietary bullshit and my own preferences it'd probably be better and piss me off less.
GPS with accelerometers should be able to work out where you're standing and where you're facing, so you could have navigation with a floating marker over the turn you need to take instead of just having a mini-map, too.
Kinda depends on the definition on that one, personally I would consider a IRL HUD to be a low level version of that since it would be intigraing those systems in a pretty intimate way.
We've mostly been looking in to how it can be utilized in a production environment with detailed machine stats at a glance, live setpoints without having to be near the control panel, aids for maintenance...that sort of things
The meta display glasses would be cool if not for the whole meta part. You don't even need to be able to access the camera. It should just be used for tracking.
That's not really AR then is it, AR requires the overlay on reality, I guess it could be like a game OSD but a lot of that detail is probably more annoying than anything. A live map might be good sometimes, but do I need my heart rate showing all the time in regular day to day life? is it helpful to have a shopping list taking up space in my vision all the time? How do I interact with it if it can't see my hands, do I then have to talk to it constantly to manipulate it? Can other people manipulate my OSD while I'm using it by saying the right thing? Seems pretty gimmicky ..
The problem isnt your privacy, it's everyone else's. If there are glasses with cameras then some arsehole is running around photographing people without their permission. You might argue that if you're out in public then you can be photographed but that's a shit attitude, if someone is walking around photographing people they should at least have to make it obvious so people can have a say at the time or at least know about it before it turns out they are now an AI deepfake pornstar.
As far as I can tell, VR is 100% fully realized. In the future, you will be able to do everything you can do in VR right now and nothing more than that, but it will be a better experience, smoother, higher res, faster frame rates.
I think that it if there were a really compelling use case, people would put up with the current technical limitations to go do it.
I think we'll slowly see adoption rise as software support & comfort improve, but this is basically the VR landscape: sims, games, porn, and some creative stuff.
I think the only really ground breaking thing would be if res became affordable enough to replace a 70" TV at a reasonable price, that--plus how much 3D kicks ass in VR--would definitely move some units.
I get nauseated very fast with a vr headset and I don't think it will improve, there have been several generations of improvements where people have told me they are so good now, and every time I feel like crap within a minute or two.
I think that is another major problem with vr, it's unusable by some percentage of people that I think is significant enough to affect the market (or lack thereof).
You’re absolutely right that is a major problem. The biggest reason is the mismatch between what your inner ear says (we are not moving) and what your eyes tell you (we are moving). I get nauseous really easily in VR.
That said I just bought a steam frame and have had pretty good luck because of how I’m using it. It’s completely wireless and I have a large space I can use it in. So I’ve been playing things that don’t require fast movement and where you have a space to explore / move around in. This allows me to physically walk around the real room while exploring in VR. It’s made a huge difference but not everyone has the luxury of a big empty room they can use for that. I just mention this in case anyone else was like me and wants to do VR but gets nauseous easily.
I've found an acid test for susceptibility to VR sickness. Driving in VR.
Most brains know what it feels like to be in a car, in control or otherwise. Feed in only the visuals of "being in a car" and watch the face turn green in tandem with the brain's ancient "we've eaten poison!" subroutine kicking in.
In Elite: Dangerous, I can pirouette a Vulture round an asteroid field -permaboosting with flight assist off- shooting other ships all day long. Drop an SRV onto a moon and drive 100 metres, pass me the sick bucket.
I put this down to having plenty sensory memory of "car" but none of "high velocity space fighter".
I have the reverse issue - i have absolutely no problems with my eyes saying something's moving and my inner ear says i am stationary as in VR, but put me in the back seat of a car without the option to focus a far away point with my eyes and i get travel sick in a few minutes (some driving styles exacerbate the problem - aggressive stop and go in city traffic makes me puke in about 15 minutes with no way to avoid it - when an acquaintance of mine drove me home i actually made him stop after about 10 minutes so i could empty my stomach into the gutter).
Yup, that's definitely a real problem for broad adoption. Technically solvable, I think, if lag and frame rates improve enough, but I don't know if it's feasible, and there's likely a bell curve where the cost to accomodate sensitive people isn't worth it.
It's also possible you could train yourself to get used to it, though it might take you more time than most, but what would be a stong enough motivation to get through that? And you'd need to basically buy a VR head set and wear it a few more seconds every day until you could get some use out of it. Pretty insane ask.
It's like chatbots, I don't have a use case for a computer kissing my ass. People tell me "oh set it up on your home computer and VPN in and then you can confidentially tell your sycophantic chatbot to cancel the meeting".
The chatbot is just as likely to tell you it canceled the meeting without cancelling the meeting.
There was a recent talk by the guy that started Zoom and he was pushing an AI technology that would attend meetings for you. It was so ridiculous because the ultimate dream would be a bunch of AI chatbots attending a meeting on behalf of their operators, and what would the point of that even be?
I think it was Angela Collier on YouTube if you want to share some rage.
My current employer is pushing AI HARD. Like "throw out old processes, 10x everything, the singularity is here so we can't work the way we always have".
The thing is, the best use case for AI I have found is replacing middle management. The bots are pretty good at summarizing a bunch of PRs and doc updates into weekly bullet point progress updates (which is 90% of how those managers are judged). I've flirted with the idea of making an AI team manager to replace the helicopter EMs and PMs and let the devs focus on the dev'ing.
That idea got shut down quite quickly.. wonder why.
Really the best thing about AI is that it made everybody stop trying to make vr a thing as much, because you’re right, the use cases are already spelled out and it’s pretty much a dud (in terms of being shoehorned into everything).
If you're looking at new, a Quest 3S is the cheapest at $350, the equivalent of a Samsung UHD 55 inch TV. Not really cheap enough. But probably a VR headset is never going to be able to compete head-to-head with a TV because it has to have a higher resolution than the TV in a smaller space, so it's always going to be more expensive. My hope is that it just gets good enough, maybe 1080p PPD equivalence while TV manufacturers keep chasing resolutions that don't make a difference.
Yeah, that was a subsidized price when Suckerberg thought we'd all be buying real estate in the metaverse or whatever... looks like the actual price of the tech is still too high.
Jokes aside, they all have something in common: a technology that can be useful in some very specific niches, but is advertised as a solution to all problems in the world and usd in large scale for things they shouldn't be used for, just to grab investors' money
Yeah, I honestly don't know of any tech that has been pushed so hard. NFTs were never something large companies were interested or invested in, and VR was always a niche product. I find AI useful for certain things, but I hope this bubble bursts as soon as possible...
Yes. Because it could be gifted to others who could then use it however they liked, some governments realized that it could fall under commercial regulation so Reddit got rid of it in a flash.
I always thought it could be useful to use NFT as a proof of ownership in a software, for example you buy a game you get an NFT that proves your ownership, down the line you sell the game to someone else, you handover the NFT and bam you are no longer the owner. But software companies won't use that as it would create a resale value and THEY want to sell new games not le YOU sell your games.
I've thought about this to. I think that is the best use for them, the problem is it would require an internet connection to check the blockchain and authenticate that you still own it or it doesn't work so it's not ideal.
One of my friends just set up a 3ds emulator for his VR headset. Pretty much the best way to enjoy the 3d effect without original hardware, and the virtual screens are much larger
I played an MMO in 2002. People made financial transactions for things in a digital universe. That MMO shut down and the servers wiped around the time Bored Ape shit started. Made me laugh.
But then again, Steve Bannon once made a living selling WoW gold. Shit is wild.
I mostly play arcade games with wheel (FFB) and vorpx. Favorite ones are Burnout Paradise, The Crew 1, Wreckfest, CarX Street and NFS Most Wanted.
Older games tend to have compatibity issues, lackluster ffb and driving feel, and sims don't get my blood pumping. I like to drift and speed in an open world with music, so after about 10 years of testing various games and series, those are the ones I found to work well for me, run well, have nice FFB, and not require online servers to run.
Thanks a bunch! I don’t have a wheel but I’ve got a couple friends who looove theirs. I mainly played Initial D growing up, so I’d love a game that has great feedback and drifting!
Best drift game in there is Carx Street, but it's a bit too "sim" for me. I love it and drifting was a challenge, but it's great!!
That said, can't beat the endlessly large Crew map and drift cars feel quite nice and each have their own drifting personalities. Non drift cars basically can't drift tho...
Can they just get in their little fucking bunkers already, and we can seal them off? Not many guillotines required, the stupid fucks can corner themselves and rot... much easier
To be fair, crypto only enabled scams, NFTs imploded because of how useless they are and the metaverse seems like a dystopia to most people. AI on the other hand has changed the way I do my job significantly. It's not just a promise, it's a genuinely powerful tool.
But fr, in academic fields its certainly helpful to have super human pattern recognition. In most fields, however, its just slop generation. Creative fields and now even code are being flooded with garbage and I dont think we'll be able to fix it. Sure, some places are benefiting, but on the whole its just a massive black hole of hand-holding and flooding that we'll be cleaning up for decades.
I think there are some very cool images, but overall it's not all that deep. I'd recommend Iain M Banks (say, The Algebraist) for an author trying for something similar and hit it out of the park.
If LLMs weren't a tool to extract knowledge from people and dumb them down while preventing them from accessing wealth and they were environmentally sustainable, then I could see them as a useful tool. I don't want to boil the planet so that an LLM can generate the minutes of yet another unnecessary meeting, I want not to have to hand in minutes of unnecessary meetings.
Isn't Trump the self proclaimed crypto president? Isn't crypto the main source of his family's wealth by now?
I've never seen any price displayed in Dogecoin, Safemoon or CumRocket, nor have I ever been offered Shiba, Bitcoin or Monero for anything. It's been almost 20 fucking years and you can't pay shit with crypto. The only thing that works perfectly in crypro is paying bribes to Trump by buying his own shitcoin, which many sketchy rich people have done. No, this is not the salvation you are looking for, it only makes everything worse.
The metaverse twist was certainly useless and realized in the most uninsipred soulless way, but vr otherwise has some utility and can be entertaining to a niche.
AI as so far realized has some utility, but a handful of asshats are similarly supremely obnoxious about it, and in my experience way more people are being obnoxious about it than it is useful.
Even if every developer has a max subscription and uses it to mostly or completely automate their coding activities...how many people is that? A few hundred thousand? Where are these supposed revenues going to come from?
Hah, and then nobody will buy it. They tried to up token prices earlier this year and were forced to go back to selling $10000 of compute for $100 in like a month because usage dropped off.
Even if the numbers are what you're saying they are...and the same number of full-time developers transition to become full-time prompters (doubtful), and every one of them buys a $100 a month subscription that's only 60 some odd billion a year. They're projecting revenues to grow into the trillions per year. Literally how?
My clients have accountants, pms, service dept using claude too. for what I do not know. Having said that, I agree I am not sure how this money pit will make money. the plan seems to be nvidia to keep dumping money into ai companies and then the ai companies from nvidia..
It's painfully obvious to me as a (reluctant) daily user of these things that most people will have no use for it.
Maybe there are some people for whom the barrier to entry for software development was that they didn't want to learn a programming language but were otherwise very technical and wanted to create software, but that seems like it's a small amount of people.
Aside from the coding itself, developing software with Claude has all of the same problems developing software without it had.
There are also new risks to developing software with it, because among other things it further siloes developers (into teams of one + chatbot).
I'm also a reluctant user as well. I just got my degree and wanted to change careers. Am now like should I put experience with claude code in my resume or not lol. Its a weird time. Id rather do everything by hand but boss wants things fast.
VR is cool and the new meta glasses that are basically a vr headset in a glasses form factor is the direction that will make it far better. Too bad it’s all ruined because it’s a meta product and they insist you have an account for what is undoubtedly the most aggressive data collection in the entire world
This meme isn't a jab at VR or any other single technology, VR is a good piece of tech. But its still one of those technologies that were way overhyped by tech bro billionaires.
Like remember how that big tech company renamed itself in hopes of making its name ubiquitous with a VR world that no one really wants other than those who thought they could make boatloads of money from it?
And I'm not saying that they are the only ones that want any VR world, I mean specially the one they were trying to build where they pretty much started with virtual real estate and ad space before even coming up with compelling reasons to use it at all. Also, the virtual reality that I'm really interested in isn't the one where you strap screens to your face and have cameras or sensors detecting movement of specific hardware to act as input, but that's all we have right now.
Lol I just realized this: I'm more interested in the Sword Art Online VR world that would kill you in real life if you died in the game than I am in whatever FB was trying to make. Like if a genie or something offered me the choice between trying either of those, the metaverse would be a quick no while trying a nervegear would require some thought.
Though not whatever comes out of Musk's company. I have little doubt that he's going to have at least some people working on hacking human brains, for things like mind control, finding secrets, or maybe even doing that thing where they make it look like you leave the simulated VR world but it actually just simulated taking a VR helmet off and now you're stuck in Elon's world until he lets you out or it breaks.
I remember playing a vr game at a frys electronics (rip) in the 90s. I have not seen a vr thing that exceeded that. They've gotten lighter at least, but the system they had was perfectly calibrated I guess
In many ways VR is a gimmick, but imo the biggest way it isn't a gimmick is how it can emulate a sense of physical presence and make body language relevant in a way a grid of webcam feeds does not.
Strap in, baby. We are going an average of 120mph+ in a Cannonball Run-style race across the USA in American Truck Simulator. Plus, I can do this irl too if you want-- hey, get the fuck back here!
That probably won't happen. Unlike Blockchain, which really only has a few niche uses, LLMs are incredibly useful for natural language processing and machine translation, both of which are fairly large fields.
At the height of the curved TV fad I had salespeople trying to insist to me that this somehow improved the available viewing angles throughout the room. Oh yeah? Then how come they're not convex, then?
It honestly is more accurate than VR. Although I’m not that interested in VR, reading this thread makes me think that it’s slowly getting there; people seem to like valve’s stuff.
If this is supposed to be a “look how the first two obviously stupid things went” comic, it’s not hitting with me.
Musk and Zuck are still getting rich from that stuff. Blockchain and AR hype didn’t go away. The con did not go away, it’s still working, and from my understanding, more of the population is getting convinced to follow them.
Ai in the future will create value and be a decent product for some use cases. But.... it is likely a few billion dollar industry, not the multi-trillion industry that the current spending commitments would need to be profitable
The investment of trillions to get back billions is an excellent example of value destruction (to say nothing of the ecosystem destruction they are engaged in).
Automated caption systems, translators, and data formatters will disappear into the background and will be useful.
But they are fantastic for not taking responsibility for your actions. Health care, public assistance, law enforcement, will all become more arbitrary and bigoted. People will be continue to be hunted down and killed by ICE. Dotards will continue to start wars based on chatbot advice. That's what the Epstein class is already using them for, they're a smokescreen.
I agree with the overall concept, LLMs seem extremely useful, I'd say our direction for them is just idiotic. Local devices trained for what they are actually doing, without sending everything back so you can confidently train it on your styles of things etc... I see as a very practical idea. But of course the US's super focused giant corporate controlled everything goes to a data center of some huge dangerous tech company is beyond ridiculous, and of course just the build out scale of investing literal trillions of dollars into it.
The wild thing is, NFTs were creating value before they were called that, and they still are. A git commit hash is an NFT, for all intents and purposes. The only uhh innovation is being able to pay money for it.
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and every single time an idea that could've been genuinely worthwhile with enough time to gestate got rushed out and smothered by lame ass realization.
Is it still possible to be in the Metaverse? Can I live my xbox360 graphics dreams and walk around the virtual McDonalds headquarters?
Second Life is still online.
College professors from the early 2000s rejoice - your future still exists
future is Mount and Blade!
I know it exists allready for a very long time. But somehow I always forget about that. I don't think I ever even tried it.
it was kinda cool around the same time OG WoW launched and up until late 2000s. After that it fell by a wayside because it was basically a bunch of chatrooms disguised as MMO. The only thing really worth checking out is the Chris Marker's space - there's a Youtube presentation about it
Asked like this, I might actually prefer being left behind, thank you.
PCVR mods are amazing though
Yep. Just stay away from the Meta headsets. They are cheaper than the competition for a reason.
Yes! Yes, please? If this is your vision of the future then I want to be left behind, playing and laughing outside with my friends and neighbours.
zuck did immeasurable harm to vr by trying to dominate the field. utter decimation of expectations. he made a fool out of all of it.
i like what i've seen about the steam frame so far and look forward to having one hopefully. never, not once, not ever, shall i pressure anyone else into it; it's a personal interest, personal to ME and others who choose to adopt it.
I partially disagree. It got standalone VR much more popular. I dislike all the Facebook stuff but as far as the headset goes, it is genuinely decent. Like I personally use a Lenovo explorer so it's about as cheap as it gets. But there are times I wish I got a quest because I could get away with wireless streaming from my PC.
It is a good compromise from all angles but I'm betting Facebook/meta is subsidizing the shit out of it.
Gee, it's almost like pressuring people into something makes it super not enjoyable for anyone. Anywho, I'm off to Google something only to scroll past the AI generated response I didn't ask for and can't disable.
Kagi is right there, bro. You don't have to keep going back to the abuser.
Yeah, I use ddg, I was more making a point.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/-ai-overview/ this one does a great job on firefox and it's various forks.
I still can't believe people bought those stupid monkey digital photos
I still don't understand the part where some got 'stolen' and were held hostage...
They were held in a poorly designed browser-based crypto wallet that only weirdos know how to use, so when normies wanted in on the get rich quick scheme, they would easily get confused and authorize third parties full access to the wallet.
I met someone once who had "invested" in these. Like, thousands of pounds. He thought he was super clever, talked down to us because we were so far out of the loop. I do wonder what happened to him. Poor guy.
he learned nothing and is now chasing AI stonks
the only one chasing it is JENSEN.
I hate the purported FOMO those bastards always promote to wide-eyed numbskulls wanting to be on the cutting edge of anything. Or mobsters wanting to get their money either laundered or splurge onto the most absurd.
i don't think mobsters are dumb enough to launder money with AI investments but i'm not a mobster so i don't know how it works
At this point I think the future is your phone on your tv.
It's the path of least resistance for computer illiterate masses.
That's a fantastic caricature of Zuckerberg.
The moment it was clear they couldn't figure out what the "Next Big Thing" was they started throwing shit at the wall before going "well if we can't find the next best thing, we'll force it on them!"
That's how we got to where we are with AI.
To be left behind is nothing someone should be afraid.
cue Losing My Edge!
Ageing a really funny experience. As a young person being left behind like that was unthinkable. I'd do anything to not get left behind. Now that I am a lot older I couldn't care less if I get left behind. I've found what makes me happy, I don't need to keep up anymore. It's so freeing.
FOMO comes along a lot when you're younger.
Then you MO a lot, for various reasons, and you realize it's not a big deal.
If you don't MO, then you never develop the FO, and then next thing you know, you're in a FAFO loop.
I'm in the ROMO phase. Relief of missing out.
Actually, can they just leave me alone?
I'm sure they have an app for that.
To be fair, nfts and vr were never forced on consumers quite like AI is. VR is incredible for certain types of gaming. NFTs are also incredible too. They allow you to quickly identify morons with disposable income.
That VR Rogue Squadron game was some peak shit ngl
You had me in the first half, ngl
I upvoted the comment while reading it, then removed the upvote, then put it back.
Correct, the only idiotic thing about VR is buying your hardware from Mark Zuckerberg. As the folks in the VR community here are already aware, I got my Steam Frame the other day and basically the only reason I've had to take it off my face since then is because the thing has a finite battery life.
It's funny how people were comparing the Frame to Quest, saying it's DOA because of the price, niche device only for a few enthusiasts.
Meanwhile, the Frame is flying off the shelves and the waitlist seems to be twice as long as the number of the units available. :(
It turns out there really is a market for a standalone capable wireless headset provided that it actually respects your privacy.
It's a good product that doesn't request you to sell your soul to use it. It's definitely expensive but for people who have that money and are into VR it's the best thing ever.
It also has the valve factor. In a landscape that consumer electronics are anti consumer, it’s more alluring to buy something you might not need if it’s not enshitified.
For example, I don’t really need a steam controller but boy do I want one.
I don't want to sound like too much of a fanboy, but I've owned every first-party device of theirs so far, even the old physical Steam Link, the OG Controller, and the Vive which I count as theirs, and they've consistently hit the sweet spot of what I want out of hardware:
No hostility to the user; very tinkerer friendly; a good balance of build quality, ergonomics, and features without going into diminishing returns; long-lasting software support (even the market failure of the Steam Link has recent firmware updates); forwarding wider Linux and gaming software ecosystems; etc.
At this point, I'm just grabbing them if I have even an occasional use case for them, and I don't regret it one bit. My Frame comes in tomorrow, and I'm very excited.
I'm on the waitlist and can't wait to get my hands on it. I'm a gamer since the 80s, and it's the first VR device i actually can't wait to get my hands on. The prospect of getting a VR headset that is as well supported as any valve hardware while not spying on me is simply great. If others are like me, it explains a lot why the line is so long.
Edit: My specific use case is as an replacement for a large TV for playing games on. It takes less space and is less invasive than any Smart-TV nowadays.
I wish it was flying. I managed to get on the reservation list (not waitlist) and two weeks later I am still waiting for my turn to even order one. Valve seems completely overwhelmed with the demand. Good for them I guess but come on, I haaaate waiting.
Man, don't even get me started. I'm on the waitlist, so I don't expect to get my hands on it within a year...
I found a Meta Quest 2 at a thrift store for 20 bucks. It needed a new face cushion so I ordered one online and a Meta Quest 3S showed up instead.
So, like, hopefully one day they'll be CFW for it.
They shipped a whole ass headset when you ordered a face cushion? Damn dude, nice
You don't really want any more battery than absolutely necessary strapped to your face. Put a power bank in your pocket for longer sessions.
Given that the battery in the Frame is not readily swappable, that's your only choice. I'm already on it, of course.
All the joy of Steam, pumped directly into my eyeballs? Yes, please.
And all the joy of also being a small Linux computer, still with the eyeballs thing. Hit "desktop" in the hotbar on the bottom and you're looking at a KDE environment.
Most programs can also be opened into a separate full-screen styled floating window you can stick wherever in virtual space, independent of the base desktop.
Most of us can't drop 1k+ on a headset. My oculus which I got for 300 is still going strong after 2 years. And no, you don't need a FB (edit: META) account. Piracy is also quite available for us 3rd world countrymen
you do need a meta account, at least when I setup mine.
Swappable battery back?
Think Valve said something about that in the future. Also you can use a power bank while using was also mentioned. If I'll get the money I'm definitely buying steam frame rather than to buy spy hardware.
I've got a 100W charger with a long cable and a 50000mAh power bank for the go. The hotswappable battery pack they said they will release is nice, but it's not a have-to-buy thingy.
Can you explain why you love it so much? I was going to give it away to my friend that did not win the lottery after only a day.
Battery life is terrible. Interface outside of games is super unintuitive imnho. I still can't figure out how to actually move the central window or right clock in desktop mode. I also can't figure out how to install apks. I want to install android plex. And the game I had super high expectations for, the 11 table tennis is meh.
Overall my experience has been very sweaty and frustrating. I'm genuinely curious if it really sucks or I'm just not the target audience. I really wanted to love it, but I find it not worth the money at all. Like $500 maybe would've been ok. To be clear, I'm very technical - both professionally and as a hobby.
You can move the main center window and the dashboard bar by grabbing the long skinny horizontal stripe beneath either them, same as moving any other floating window. Unless you hit "float in world" on the center window the dashboard/taskbar/clock will remain pinned to the bottom of it.
The inverse L shaped grab handle on the lower right of any window allows you to resize it. When you are holding it, pushing the analog stick forward or back will move it closer to you or farther away.
Word on the street is that you can use FrameDrop to put .apks (and other executables) into your Frame's library. I haven't had occasion to try it; my main interest in onboard software has been regular productivity-ish apps that run natively in Linux. I stream actual games from my desktop PC, which is approximately three million times more powerful than the Frame itself.
Notably VR also generally wasn't the main pitch. It was just seen as axillary. The reason they promoted it as the next big thing, was the """metaverse""". Definitions varied, but it was generally a social media platform owned by the seller, and/or was virtual real estate.
VR and AR both have massive unrealised potential. It just seems the tech isn't quite there to break through just yet, especially for AR.
AR has so many unsolvable privacy issues it's wild ..
It's solvable if you take surveillance capitalism out of the equation, just as Valve are doing. AR with Meta behind it will never be something that is socially acceptable since their whole business model is selling out the user and everyone around them. With a company like Valve which has a pretty good track record regarding privacy (a.k.a the only things transferred regarding usage are what games you play to make store recommendations fit your taste and bug reports if you approve them) i can see a wider adoption taking place.
I don't think that's true, your personal privacy as the owner of the device is one thing, everyone else's right to not be continuously photographed is another. Having Valve operate it over meta doesn't solve that. Also, what happens when Gabe does and the investment bank that buys it decides they want to sell everyone data to maximise profit?
These things can be done in a privacy respecting way for other parties too. The computational power needed to realize a person is in the field of view and to process this person saying "i consent" is in everyones pocket nowadays.
I think if you can plan for somehow allowing concent for these things then you can also plan for bypassing it. Also it would need to film you to work out if you don't consent and then it's already breached the consent.
There's a difference between passively waiting for a voice command by a person identified in RAM and storing these things. And sure, there will always be people breaking the rules, but if you actually try to make the product secure, the vast amount of people will NOT be fucking around with that.
Take Metas PervGlasses for example: There's a LED that shows it is recording. You can remove that light with a simple dremel, and no one at Meta even thought about implementing a simple check like making the LED flash a OTP code to be recognized by the camera at the start of recording. It makes a whole lot of difference who is developing these things, trust me.
Honestly I don't need a camera or anything integrated but I'd love to have an integrated screen for my glasses. Would be nice when putting things together to just sync it with my phone and just have it there, also maps. Look I have to wear glasses all the time might as well add a tiny bit more utility.
These exist
But are they intigratable in pre existing glasses? My prescription is non negotiable due to how bad my eyesight is without and I can't do contacts. Also having them sync with my phone and having them do little to no processing would be my preferred method, rather than having them contain all the computational shit themselves.
No, they use a second set of prescription lenses for corrective lenses. They plug directly into your device via USB-C.
Ew USB C wired connection no thanks. This would legit be a hard non starter for me, in my experience USB C wears out relatively fast and tends to fuck up on the data connection side even if the charging still works. Honestly with this type of thing I'll probably wait until I can just build my own thing, between proprietary bullshit and my own preferences it'd probably be better and piss me off less.
GPS with accelerometers should be able to work out where you're standing and where you're facing, so you could have navigation with a floating marker over the turn you need to take instead of just having a mini-map, too.
Maybe but I'd personally prefer the mini-map, I've a built up hatred of floating way points.
That's not AR though is it?
Kinda depends on the definition on that one, personally I would consider a IRL HUD to be a low level version of that since it would be intigraing those systems in a pretty intimate way.
We've mostly been looking in to how it can be utilized in a production environment with detailed machine stats at a glance, live setpoints without having to be near the control panel, aids for maintenance...that sort of things
That could be helpful, I think most tech and inlecs would find it more annoying than anything ..
The meta display glasses would be cool if not for the whole meta part. You don't even need to be able to access the camera. It should just be used for tracking.
That's not really AR then is it, AR requires the overlay on reality, I guess it could be like a game OSD but a lot of that detail is probably more annoying than anything. A live map might be good sometimes, but do I need my heart rate showing all the time in regular day to day life? is it helpful to have a shopping list taking up space in my vision all the time? How do I interact with it if it can't see my hands, do I then have to talk to it constantly to manipulate it? Can other people manipulate my OSD while I'm using it by saying the right thing? Seems pretty gimmicky ..
No, not what I meant. I meant environment tracking, hand tracking, everything.
WE don't need access to the camera for AR to work, the device just needs to be able to process the video stream.
The problem isnt your privacy, it's everyone else's. If there are glasses with cameras then some arsehole is running around photographing people without their permission. You might argue that if you're out in public then you can be photographed but that's a shit attitude, if someone is walking around photographing people they should at least have to make it obvious so people can have a say at the time or at least know about it before it turns out they are now an AI deepfake pornstar.
Yeah, that's why you block user access to the camera.
at least in the US you don't need permission to record people in public spaces.
I'm in my 40s and I just want to let you know that people have been saying this since I was 16.
Which is one of many reasons I'm not running out to buy a VR/AR rig.
That's because the company that is behind most of the stuff being released is Meta. Noone likes Meta. I can't even imagine Zuck liking Meta.
Unfortunately there isn't a lot of money in that market anymore, since it's not AI.
Hard disagree on VR.
As far as I can tell, VR is 100% fully realized. In the future, you will be able to do everything you can do in VR right now and nothing more than that, but it will be a better experience, smoother, higher res, faster frame rates.
I think that it if there were a really compelling use case, people would put up with the current technical limitations to go do it.
I think we'll slowly see adoption rise as software support & comfort improve, but this is basically the VR landscape: sims, games, porn, and some creative stuff.
I think the only really ground breaking thing would be if res became affordable enough to replace a 70" TV at a reasonable price, that--plus how much 3D kicks ass in VR--would definitely move some units.
I get nauseated very fast with a vr headset and I don't think it will improve, there have been several generations of improvements where people have told me they are so good now, and every time I feel like crap within a minute or two.
I think that is another major problem with vr, it's unusable by some percentage of people that I think is significant enough to affect the market (or lack thereof).
You’re absolutely right that is a major problem. The biggest reason is the mismatch between what your inner ear says (we are not moving) and what your eyes tell you (we are moving). I get nauseous really easily in VR.
That said I just bought a steam frame and have had pretty good luck because of how I’m using it. It’s completely wireless and I have a large space I can use it in. So I’ve been playing things that don’t require fast movement and where you have a space to explore / move around in. This allows me to physically walk around the real room while exploring in VR. It’s made a huge difference but not everyone has the luxury of a big empty room they can use for that. I just mention this in case anyone else was like me and wants to do VR but gets nauseous easily.
I've found an acid test for susceptibility to VR sickness. Driving in VR.
Most brains know what it feels like to be in a car, in control or otherwise. Feed in only the visuals of "being in a car" and watch the face turn green in tandem with the brain's ancient "we've eaten poison!" subroutine kicking in.
In Elite: Dangerous, I can pirouette a Vulture round an asteroid field -permaboosting with flight assist off- shooting other ships all day long. Drop an SRV onto a moon and drive 100 metres, pass me the sick bucket.
I put this down to having plenty sensory memory of "car" but none of "high velocity space fighter".
I have the reverse issue - i have absolutely no problems with my eyes saying something's moving and my inner ear says i am stationary as in VR, but put me in the back seat of a car without the option to focus a far away point with my eyes and i get travel sick in a few minutes (some driving styles exacerbate the problem - aggressive stop and go in city traffic makes me puke in about 15 minutes with no way to avoid it - when an acquaintance of mine drove me home i actually made him stop after about 10 minutes so i could empty my stomach into the gutter).
Yup, that's definitely a real problem for broad adoption. Technically solvable, I think, if lag and frame rates improve enough, but I don't know if it's feasible, and there's likely a bell curve where the cost to accomodate sensitive people isn't worth it.
It's also possible you could train yourself to get used to it, though it might take you more time than most, but what would be a stong enough motivation to get through that? And you'd need to basically buy a VR head set and wear it a few more seconds every day until you could get some use out of it. Pretty insane ask.
It's like chatbots, I don't have a use case for a computer kissing my ass. People tell me "oh set it up on your home computer and VPN in and then you can confidentially tell your sycophantic chatbot to cancel the meeting".
I would rather just cancel the meeting?
The chatbot is just as likely to tell you it canceled the meeting without cancelling the meeting.
There was a recent talk by the guy that started Zoom and he was pushing an AI technology that would attend meetings for you. It was so ridiculous because the ultimate dream would be a bunch of AI chatbots attending a meeting on behalf of their operators, and what would the point of that even be?
I think it was Angela Collier on YouTube if you want to share some rage.
My current employer is pushing AI HARD. Like "throw out old processes, 10x everything, the singularity is here so we can't work the way we always have".
The thing is, the best use case for AI I have found is replacing middle management. The bots are pretty good at summarizing a bunch of PRs and doc updates into weekly bullet point progress updates (which is 90% of how those managers are judged). I've flirted with the idea of making an AI team manager to replace the helicopter EMs and PMs and let the devs focus on the dev'ing.
That idea got shut down quite quickly.. wonder why.
+1
Severe motion sickness issues, even in traditional games, are more common than people think.
Yeah I don't enjoy watching other people play FPS games either.
I can't play Wolfenstein 3D because of that.
Really the best thing about AI is that it made everybody stop trying to make vr a thing as much, because you’re right, the use cases are already spelled out and it’s pretty much a dud (in terms of being shoehorned into everything).
You have to admit, though, the Metaverse was one solid comedy highlights reel from beginning to end.
VR is cheap enough to replace a TV, just not good enough yet.
If you're looking at new, a Quest 3S is the cheapest at $350, the equivalent of a Samsung UHD 55 inch TV. Not really cheap enough. But probably a VR headset is never going to be able to compete head-to-head with a TV because it has to have a higher resolution than the TV in a smaller space, so it's always going to be more expensive. My hope is that it just gets good enough, maybe 1080p PPD equivalence while TV manufacturers keep chasing resolutions that don't make a difference.
was more thinking of quest 2 when quest 3s came out and psvr2 pricing ($300), which isn't that much above the cheapest non roku garbage
Yeah, that was a subsidized price when Suckerberg thought we'd all be buying real estate in the metaverse or whatever... looks like the actual price of the tech is still too high.
I think the second panel is not referring to VR in general but rather Metaverse specifically.
Jokes aside, they all have something in common: a technology that can be useful in some very specific niches, but is advertised as a solution to all problems in the world and usd in large scale for things they shouldn't be used for, just to grab investors' money
It is disappointing that, of the three, only NFTs fulfilled the promise and have solved literally every problem*.
::: spoiler * ...for those whose only problem is a need to launder money. :::
money laundering is a necessary industry
Yeah, I honestly don't know of any tech that has been pushed so hard. NFTs were never something large companies were interested or invested in, and VR was always a niche product. I find AI useful for certain things, but I hope this bubble bursts as soon as possible...
Your Reddit account had a NFT wallet for avatar cosmetics for a while
did they get rid of it?
Yes. Because it could be gifted to others who could then use it however they liked, some governments realized that it could fall under commercial regulation so Reddit got rid of it in a flash.
I always thought it could be useful to use NFT as a proof of ownership in a software, for example you buy a game you get an NFT that proves your ownership, down the line you sell the game to someone else, you handover the NFT and bam you are no longer the owner. But software companies won't use that as it would create a resale value and THEY want to sell new games not le YOU sell your games.
I've thought about this to. I think that is the best use for them, the problem is it would require an internet connection to check the blockchain and authenticate that you still own it or it doesn't work so it's not ideal.
Silly lemmy user thinking tech is suppose to benefit the consumer.
/s
One of my friends just set up a 3ds emulator for his VR headset. Pretty much the best way to enjoy the 3d effect without original hardware, and the virtual screens are much larger
There's a Virtual Boy emulator for VR headsets, too.
I played an MMO in 2002. People made financial transactions for things in a digital universe. That MMO shut down and the servers wiped around the time Bored Ape shit started. Made me laugh.
But then again, Steve Bannon once made a living selling WoW gold. Shit is wild.
Came here to say this: I get ton of enjoyment out of racing in VR. The rests is capitalism at its worst.
Favorite VR racing game? I’ve got a couple kits but I’ve never played a racing game in VR!
I mostly play arcade games with wheel (FFB) and vorpx. Favorite ones are Burnout Paradise, The Crew 1, Wreckfest, CarX Street and NFS Most Wanted.
Older games tend to have compatibity issues, lackluster ffb and driving feel, and sims don't get my blood pumping. I like to drift and speed in an open world with music, so after about 10 years of testing various games and series, those are the ones I found to work well for me, run well, have nice FFB, and not require online servers to run.
Thanks a bunch! I don’t have a wheel but I’ve got a couple friends who looove theirs. I mainly played Initial D growing up, so I’d love a game that has great feedback and drifting!
Best drift game in there is Carx Street, but it's a bit too "sim" for me. I love it and drifting was a challenge, but it's great!!
That said, can't beat the endlessly large Crew map and drift cars feel quite nice and each have their own drifting personalities. Non drift cars basically can't drift tho...
VR is also great for movies!
I stole an NFT once, that was kind of cool.
You wouldn't download a car
This is the future you don’t want to be left behind do you?
Can they just get in their little fucking bunkers already, and we can seal them off? Not many guillotines required, the stupid fucks can corner themselves and rot... much easier
The Guillotine is a great historical thought, though. Just look at the exemplary oasis of equality that's France.
To be fair, crypto only enabled scams, NFTs imploded because of how useless they are and the metaverse seems like a dystopia to most people. AI on the other hand has changed the way I do my job significantly. It's not just a promise, it's a genuinely powerful tool.
Its not just ___ its ____.
But fr, in academic fields its certainly helpful to have super human pattern recognition. In most fields, however, its just slop generation. Creative fields and now even code are being flooded with garbage and I dont think we'll be able to fix it. Sure, some places are benefiting, but on the whole its just a massive black hole of hand-holding and flooding that we'll be cleaning up for decades.
That is true job security. Being able to undo everyone else's screwups. Such work kept me gainfully employed for 45 years.
"It's not just a promise, it's a genuinely powerful tool."
Methinks you've spent too much time with GenAI LLMs or are a bot yourself. "It's not x, it's y"
I don't know, it's probably save me a couple hundred hours so far. Maybe more. It is genuinely incredibly powerful for coding (When used correctly)
Sorry, complete non sequitur, is the Hyperion in your username a Dan Simmons reference?
Nah, the Greek Titan. Worth reading?
I think there are some very cool images, but overall it's not all that deep. I'd recommend Iain M Banks (say, The Algebraist) for an author trying for something similar and hit it out of the park.
Careful, the Shrike might just take offense.
As is a hammer. The issue is when you treat the solution to every problem as a nail.
LLMs are also great scam enablers.
If LLMs weren't a tool to extract knowledge from people and dumb them down while preventing them from accessing wealth and they were environmentally sustainable, then I could see them as a useful tool. I don't want to boil the planet so that an LLM can generate the minutes of yet another unnecessary meeting, I want not to have to hand in minutes of unnecessary meetings.
cryptos amazing, I can pay people without President Donald J Trump having access to my payment records online
Isn't Trump the self proclaimed crypto president? Isn't crypto the main source of his family's wealth by now?
I've never seen any price displayed in Dogecoin, Safemoon or CumRocket, nor have I ever been offered Shiba, Bitcoin or Monero for anything. It's been almost 20 fucking years and you can't pay shit with crypto. The only thing that works perfectly in crypro is paying bribes to Trump by buying his own shitcoin, which many sketchy rich people have done. No, this is not the salvation you are looking for, it only makes everything worse.
counterpoint: you can buy diy hrt with crypto
And he can use it to get bribes more easily with the shitcoins they pump out every few months.
The metaverse twist was certainly useless and realized in the most uninsipred soulless way, but vr otherwise has some utility and can be entertaining to a niche.
AI as so far realized has some utility, but a handful of asshats are similarly supremely obnoxious about it, and in my experience way more people are being obnoxious about it than it is useful.
"This is the future and if it fails I stand to lose billions so you definitely don't want to be left behind, do you?"
Even if every developer has a max subscription and uses it to mostly or completely automate their coding activities...how many people is that? A few hundred thousand? Where are these supposed revenues going to come from?
Well, first of all, the max subscription is going to cost 10k a month, so jot that down
Hah, and then nobody will buy it. They tried to up token prices earlier this year and were forced to go back to selling $10000 of compute for $100 in like a month because usage dropped off.
Don't you worry! AI is gonna think of something.../s
Not arguing your point, but a few hundred thousand...?
If you're going to be making an argument, at least get the most basic of your facts right.
Globally there are about 40-50 million software engineers. A hell of a lot more than a few hundred thousand. 1/10th of that is in the U.S.
I was guessing, sure, but apparently so were you:
https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-data-playground/
Even if the numbers are what you're saying they are...and the same number of full-time developers transition to become full-time prompters (doubtful), and every one of them buys a $100 a month subscription that's only 60 some odd billion a year. They're projecting revenues to grow into the trillions per year. Literally how?
My clients have accountants, pms, service dept using claude too. for what I do not know. Having said that, I agree I am not sure how this money pit will make money. the plan seems to be nvidia to keep dumping money into ai companies and then the ai companies from nvidia..
It's painfully obvious to me as a (reluctant) daily user of these things that most people will have no use for it.
Maybe there are some people for whom the barrier to entry for software development was that they didn't want to learn a programming language but were otherwise very technical and wanted to create software, but that seems like it's a small amount of people.
Aside from the coding itself, developing software with Claude has all of the same problems developing software without it had.
There are also new risks to developing software with it, because among other things it further siloes developers (into teams of one + chatbot).
I'm also a reluctant user as well. I just got my degree and wanted to change careers. Am now like should I put experience with claude code in my resume or not lol. Its a weird time. Id rather do everything by hand but boss wants things fast.
At least VR is great for porn
I tried it once, in the early times. They hadn't figured out the scaling at all. Lady was supposed to come sit in your face.
She didn't get closer, she got bigger. Much bigger.
Would be phenomenal for the giantess crowd. Scared me off for life.
Edit : nobody press the arrows now leave it there
That sounds just horrible. Where is that, so I can avoid it at all costs?
Why is that point of view so rare in porn. It should be among most popular.
Because they're too busy making everything stepsomething
Oh no stepgiant im stuck
i don't need to read the title or even listen to the lines
It’s gotten better since then. Close ups still are a bit awkward but the scaling is much better.
screaming intensifies
who is the first guy? i know the 2nd one is the zuckerborg, and sam altman is the 3rd one.
Possibly Jimmy Fallon
Is it Will Entriken?
If this is the future, yes, please leave me behind.
VR is cool and the new meta glasses that are basically a vr headset in a glasses form factor is the direction that will make it far better. Too bad it’s all ruined because it’s a meta product and they insist you have an account for what is undoubtedly the most aggressive data collection in the entire world
Idk why everyone is so excited about the glasses form factor for VR. Do you want to hurt your nose? Goggles imo will always be more comfortable for VR
Meta are dragging more open competitors along with them though, and showing that a market exists (but not the 80bn Metaverse Zuck promised).
Software freedom: turns out we can choose our future anytime we want.
Poker in VR is social and fun. The rhythm games like Beat Saber and Pistol whip are pretty cool too.
This meme isn't a jab at VR or any other single technology, VR is a good piece of tech. But its still one of those technologies that were way overhyped by tech bro billionaires.
Like remember how that big tech company renamed itself in hopes of making its name ubiquitous with a VR world that no one really wants other than those who thought they could make boatloads of money from it?
And I'm not saying that they are the only ones that want any VR world, I mean specially the one they were trying to build where they pretty much started with virtual real estate and ad space before even coming up with compelling reasons to use it at all. Also, the virtual reality that I'm really interested in isn't the one where you strap screens to your face and have cameras or sensors detecting movement of specific hardware to act as input, but that's all we have right now.
Lol I just realized this: I'm more interested in the Sword Art Online VR world that would kill you in real life if you died in the game than I am in whatever FB was trying to make. Like if a genie or something offered me the choice between trying either of those, the metaverse would be a quick no while trying a nervegear would require some thought.
Though not whatever comes out of Musk's company. I have little doubt that he's going to have at least some people working on hacking human brains, for things like mind control, finding secrets, or maybe even doing that thing where they make it look like you leave the simulated VR world but it actually just simulated taking a VR helmet off and now you're stuck in Elon's world until he lets you out or it breaks.
I remember playing a vr game at a frys electronics (rip) in the 90s. I have not seen a vr thing that exceeded that. They've gotten lighter at least, but the system they had was perfectly calibrated I guess
Did you know they have social poker in real life?
Social video poker, also (webcams).
VR certainly ain't an enabling technology for poker.
Yeah but in the US it’s always a bunch of heavy smokers that want to play at those. Got tired of coming home and having to immediately take a shower
No mine is. Fight me (mud wrestling at dawn)
In many ways VR is a gimmick, but imo the biggest way it isn't a gimmick is how it can emulate a sense of physical presence and make body language relevant in a way a grid of webcam feeds does not.
webcams require wearing clothes, vr does not
Strap in, baby. We are going an average of 120mph+ in a Cannonball Run-style race across the USA in American Truck Simulator. Plus, I can do this irl too if you want-- hey, get the fuck back here!
I'm so happy I haven't heard the term Blockchain in a while connected to the next amazing technology. I'll be happy when LLM goes that way too.
Blockchain is a really interesting technology that has almost no actual use cases, which is kind of amazing in its own way.
It's great for purchasing semi illegal goods, and commissioning artists that live in scantoned nations.
Block chain for LLMs.
Half wondering if I could just make a website and get VC funding for just the idea.
Cloud-based multiverse virtual reality with agentic, llm-based, personas. All that using generative graphics and integrated into a blockchain.
You need to dream bigger, my friend, or the dumb billionaires won't fill you with money
https://arxiv.org/html/2501.07288v1
Many are way ahead of you, unfortunately.
2 years ago I bet you could. Not sure about now. Need to find the next crazy tech fad and attach that label.
That probably won't happen. Unlike Blockchain, which really only has a few niche uses, LLMs are incredibly useful for natural language processing and machine translation, both of which are fairly large fields.
Correct they are useful but the amount of money and hype in them need to return to earth.
Also add 3D TVs to recent technology that didn't go anywhere.
Should I tell them, or...?
😂
2012 was like 3 years ago right?
And curved TVs, thankfully.
Those were so ridiculous. I can understand a curved monitor because one person can sit in the sweet spot but for a TV what is the point.
At the height of the curved TV fad I had salespeople trying to insist to me that this somehow improved the available viewing angles throughout the room. Oh yeah? Then how come they're not convex, then?
It honestly is more accurate than VR. Although I’m not that interested in VR, reading this thread makes me think that it’s slowly getting there; people seem to like valve’s stuff.
oh I completely forgot about those, lol
The sterile, uncanny zucc face is iconic.
ive been in the back of the line my entire life, so not a big thing
The future is not defined by products. They're just along for the ride, all of them expendable, most of them useless.
Wrong picture, should be Dario/ Jensen
The Quest is actually quite dope. Rooted and used local.
It's like that Google circle plus thing that started the decline of YouTube.
AI isn't the future. It's the now.
It's amazing how much more sane people in China are about it.
wdym
Not previous poster, but I believe they may be referring to the observation that sentiment towards AI seems to be fairly neutral in East Asia
https://l.suppo.fi/post/14609408
"AI will mostly help":
If this is supposed to be a “look how the first two obviously stupid things went” comic, it’s not hitting with me.
Musk and Zuck are still getting rich from that stuff. Blockchain and AR hype didn’t go away. The con did not go away, it’s still working, and from my understanding, more of the population is getting convinced to follow them.
when the author spends too much time on twitter
I wouldn't compare NFTs to VR or AI. The latter two create value, while the former is purely a scam.
its refering to the "metaverse" specifically, not vr in general
AI has destroyed colossal amounts of value.
Ai in the future will create value and be a decent product for some use cases. But.... it is likely a few billion dollar industry, not the multi-trillion industry that the current spending commitments would need to be profitable
The investment of trillions to get back billions is an excellent example of value destruction (to say nothing of the ecosystem destruction they are engaged in).
Automated caption systems, translators, and data formatters will disappear into the background and will be useful.
But they are fantastic for not taking responsibility for your actions. Health care, public assistance, law enforcement, will all become more arbitrary and bigoted. People will be continue to be hunted down and killed by ICE. Dotards will continue to start wars based on chatbot advice. That's what the Epstein class is already using them for, they're a smokescreen.
I agree with the overall concept, LLMs seem extremely useful, I'd say our direction for them is just idiotic. Local devices trained for what they are actually doing, without sending everything back so you can confidently train it on your styles of things etc... I see as a very practical idea. But of course the US's super focused giant corporate controlled everything goes to a data center of some huge dangerous tech company is beyond ridiculous, and of course just the build out scale of investing literal trillions of dollars into it.
Can it make value without losing money?
a short term loss of trillions is worth a long term gain of resistance to strikes.
The wild thing is, NFTs were creating value before they were called that, and they still are. A git commit hash is an NFT, for all intents and purposes. The only uhh innovation is being able to pay money for it.
Nah. That's only really a sentiment around AI. And the difference is understandable, given the promise of techbros.