Ah but they're not potatoes there.... They're ground apples (that's the translation in case you've no French). Doesn't count. Big pharma got in on the naming after a campaign by doctors who didn't like them.
Talk to the English.... They were very fond of taking potatoes for taxes in the 1800s (historically accurate truth is that the Irish grew other crops to pay the taxes and used potatoes for their own subsistence but it was an obvious dig that I had to get in for the giggles).
France is good for bread and wine. French food is basically Italian food without pasta. Lots of butter and salt with no competing flavors. Want something with your savory dish? Fuck you, pair it with a wine. Want spicy? Fuck you that's not tradition!
French food is bad. It tastes fine but the ceremony and culture around it are toxic.
"French food is really good." they told me during months I spent traveling all around country over many years. "It's just complicated and most people don't know how to cook it."
Me "So in the past two weeks I have tried 14 different places in 6 different cities and all 14 meals have been horrible. Okay..."
There's a reason why a tire company publishing a list of recommended places to eat when traveling around France became so popular. Its not because the average place to get food was good.
Mexico: Stopping at a gas station, a little old lady hand rolling tortillas and cooking them on an open bbq. Her "Tacos?" Me nodding vigorously"Si, si, si" They were insanely delicious.
Yeah I can't think of any French food that I'm like yeah this is good. Michlin stars? I to like the putting on sticky gold stars in grade school to make myself feel better? I literally have no memory that I can say that was something good that I tried.
I'll have an Irish/English breakfast or fish and chips any day. German sourdough or bratwurst and pretzels or schnitzel. Sushi any day.
The irony is there's a what used to be a gas station, and repair place as I had my car worked on there, that's now considered one of the best Mexican places in town.
Hey! The ciabatta is totally different from a baguette!
Ciabatta's crust is more thicc, the crumb has more holes and is more chewy while the baguette crust isn't as thicc as ciabatta's one and the crumb is more dense and soft
Baguette: Chewy on the inside, hard, crusty, and chewy on the outside. Gotta scrape the inside of your mouth and give your jaw muscles a workout. If your mouth and jaw isn't sore after eating one, it's no good.
Ciabatta: We like the chewy but the hard and crusty not so much. Let put a ton of olive oil on the outside to lessen the crusty, but keep the chewy. And being Italian, olive oil goes on most things anyways.
I can't even tell you what French food is... Nothing comes to mind as particularly French. I can imagine Italian, Greek, Spanish, German, etc but all I can come up with for French is baguettes and escargot.
Well I've never been to Finland, maybe their food is vastly superior. And to be fair it doesn't take much to be better than the USA. So maybe your friend is right
It's the only country I've ever traveled to where it felt like everyone was trying to upsell you on every little thing. See those bread sticks in the center of the table? Don't touch them, don't even fucking glance at them, or you'll get charged an arm and a leg in Euros. Ask for water but you wanted still and not sparkling? Fuck you son, that's another charge you didn't think about.
One place I went to, I shit you not, had the toilet seat and toilet paper chained to a weight you had to carry from the front of the shop to the upstairs toilet after making a purchase.
The seat chained to a weight was in Venice. TBF they did have an issue with people stealing their toilet paper...but the seat?
I will say, there was a little spot in Florence where we saw one of the workers run out the back to a nearby shop to grab an ingredient they'd just run out of. That was pretty cool of them.
The French are just jealous of our portable usable bread, that isn't 16 feet long, doesn't go off 20 minutes after purchase, and can actually be used to make sandwiches.
if you try to open the image link to expand the map image, it'll take you to the reddit post. Because the image isn't being hosted here, it's hosted there. And also, the post is deleted there, so, for me at least, there's no way to expand the image and zoom in. I'm on firefox, if it matters.
Re: #2: If bandwidth or storage were a problem, the instance admins could handle it. Preemptively hotlinking to some external site deprives them of the chance to solve the problem in a better way, while also making it more likely that the pic becomes unavailable and leaves an orphaned post.
Re: #3: Another way of saying that is "letting Reddit's corporate censorship usurp the Lemmy mods' and admins' power." Does it still sound like a good thing? Just because fucking Reddit, of all non-person entities, has a problem with it, doesn't mean it's right or that the Lemmy instance hosting it is subject to the same laws!
I was gonna say they miss the wine and fancy cheeses, but now that I think about it the wine selection is actually fairly solid, and you don't get much fancier than Pule.
The origins are unclear. The Danish bakers stole the recipe for soggy cakes from Vienna, hence the name, but then the Austrian bakers startede calling it a copenhagen plunder. Immigrants brought the cake to America by the name danish.
Technically the whole range of similar cakes are neither cakes, bread or pastry. They're viennoiseries, which is layered dough, just like croissants.
Wienerbrød, aka bread from Wien was inspired by Austrian bakers (classic "neutral" SCABS!) who came up to work in Denmark during a huge baker's strike in the mid 1800s. But as is the Danish way, we managed to pump it full of dairy, in this case butter.
But yeah, it is possible that it's referring to "remonce", the filling/topping used.
I think you confuse that with kåldolmar, which has that origin. Meatballs were quite a staple in most Northern European countries for centuries before any of that. Of course Sweden didn't invent meatballs either, they just popularised them outside of Europe via Ikea.
Ha ha, that was pretty good. I feel like the Uk, scotland, and ireland, if not wales too, could be good puns even as the vast atlantic ocean is a good single pun.
While "rotten cabbage" seems to be a correct descriptor, I was somewhat aghast to not be included in the potato munchers. I mean... people are out there calling us potatoes... but then I looked it up and Germany is in the lower midfield of how much potatoes countries in the EU eat.
I'm tipping my hat to you Latvia. Respect. 112,7 kg per person per year. That is nearly double the 57,4 kg per person per year we eat in Germany.
Edit: HAH! That seemed to have been older data, take THAT Latvia! Instead I must now bow to our new starchy overlords, the Poles.
We Dutch people don’t even eat that much sauerkraut since it is a German dish. The French actually know us for our baked goods. You know the ones that kick in after an hour.
I can't get mexican food here. At least not any more. There was a Cantina Mariachi once near where I lived but it closed down after a few years. But I know the cuisine is really interesting and fresh.
At least the Germans are humble enough to eagerly adopt new spices and seasonings.
What? That goes against my ~10 years of living in Germany. They hate anything not traditional, and their traditional food is absolutely fucking disgusting.
Maybe you're confused because of the many immigrant-held places? I've never had a good döner from a place managed by a white German, but good kebab places in Germany are infinitely better than fast food in France
The fact that kebab places are so prevalent in Germany shows the average German is quite open to foreign foods. Even “traditional” German foods get spins from foreign foods, like curry wurst. I’ve also seen quite a few inspired takes on flammekueche using foreign inspirations.
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Love how the UK isn’t even there
I wish I'd had shade like this all summer
"THE VAST ATLANTIC OCEAN." Nothing to see here...
We are happy with everything we stole from other cultures thanks. Along with with a lot of carbs.
that's what brexit does to a mf
Brexit happened in 2016, the French knew what was up
dam i didnt even notice lmao u right
Nah, their "food" sucked well before that.
i meant it as in they exited physically and moved the island elsewhere
(credits to ZDF Heute-Show 2011-12-12)
However, Ireland is gone too.
I mean the entire isle of Ireland is gone in the French cuisine map. The map in my reply depicts only the UK at a different position.
I actually realized the misunderstanding and deleted my comment, but I guess the deletion hasn't echoed over to all federated instances yet!
kinda wish it was there but just "BUTTER CHICKEN"
Tikka chips
The even took out Ireland. What did Ireland do?
Something something potato joke that everyone's heard a million times
And the Irish boiled potatoes, boiled meat and boiled cabbage are missing too.
You can do plenty more than just boil a potato
Like mashing or sticking it in a stew?
That was a good roast.
Idk they missed 4 good puns for their one there. The scottish one almost rights itself, just describe haggis.
"map of Europe"
As a Pole, I find this offensive. We're more than just potato munchers.
We're also potato drinkers.
Is there anything a potato can't do? 😍
please the french
They even dont recognise the potato as a seperate entity. They really just call them pomme de terre (ground apple) and job's a goodun.
Ah but they're not potatoes there.... They're ground apples (that's the translation in case you've no French). Doesn't count. Big pharma got in on the naming after a campaign by doctors who didn't like them.
Yeah but that's like asking a potato to colonize the moon. The space moon.
Taxes.
Talk to the English.... They were very fond of taking potatoes for taxes in the 1800s (historically accurate truth is that the Irish grew other crops to pay the taxes and used potatoes for their own subsistence but it was an obvious dig that I had to get in for the giggles).
[Laughs in Inca]
You forgot about rotten cabbage that is close to our hearts. In all shapes and forms.
Not for nothin, we love to see a territorially intact Ukraine.
I like it how the map essentially says "we cannot find anything proper to complain about Italy."
Or, you could look at it from the other end, everything is shit.
France is good for bread and wine. French food is basically Italian food without pasta. Lots of butter and salt with no competing flavors. Want something with your savory dish? Fuck you, pair it with a wine. Want spicy? Fuck you that's not tradition!
French food is bad. It tastes fine but the ceremony and culture around it are toxic.
"French food is really good." they told me during months I spent traveling all around country over many years. "It's just complicated and most people don't know how to cook it."
Me "So in the past two weeks I have tried 14 different places in 6 different cities and all 14 meals have been horrible. Okay..."
There's a reason why a tire company publishing a list of recommended places to eat when traveling around France became so popular. Its not because the average place to get food was good.
Mexico: Stopping at a gas station, a little old lady hand rolling tortillas and cooking them on an open bbq. Her "Tacos?" Me nodding vigorously"Si, si, si" They were insanely delicious.
Yeah I can't think of any French food that I'm like yeah this is good. Michlin stars? I to like the putting on sticky gold stars in grade school to make myself feel better? I literally have no memory that I can say that was something good that I tried.
I'll have an Irish/English breakfast or fish and chips any day. German sourdough or bratwurst and pretzels or schnitzel. Sushi any day.
The irony is there's a what used to be a gas station, and repair place as I had my car worked on there, that's now considered one of the best Mexican places in town.
However French baguettes are so good the Italians had to copy it with their Ciabatta.
Hey! The ciabatta is totally different from a baguette!
Ciabatta's crust is more thicc, the crumb has more holes and is more chewy while the baguette crust isn't as thicc as ciabatta's one and the crumb is more dense and soft
True, but I believe the baker who invented it did state that it was meant to compete or substitute a baguette, but Italian.
Baguette: Chewy on the inside, hard, crusty, and chewy on the outside. Gotta scrape the inside of your mouth and give your jaw muscles a workout. If your mouth and jaw isn't sore after eating one, it's no good.
Ciabatta: We like the chewy but the hard and crusty not so much. Let put a ton of olive oil on the outside to lessen the crusty, but keep the chewy. And being Italian, olive oil goes on most things anyways.
True. France makes the best bread.
That's what makes it French.
I can't even tell you what French food is... Nothing comes to mind as particularly French. I can imagine Italian, Greek, Spanish, German, etc but all I can come up with for French is baguettes and escargot.
They have frogs and snails and force-fed goose liver
Nice rage bait try 😁
If you seriously think french food is bread and wine, lol, then you have a lot of nice food to discover.
Next time add cheese to the stereotype 😉
Got to love the French calling Italian food overrated, when their international recognized dish consists of black coffee and a cigarette.
I dunno, man, a black coffee and a cigarette is pretty good.
As someone who was lucky enough to visit Italy, it is far from overrated.
My friend from Finland (of all places) went there and said it was overrated
Maybe he lacks taste buds, biologically?
Honestly I'd believe that for all of Scandinavia, but it also might be that the salt liquorice burns them off at a young age.
I'd say 90% of places I went were remarkably meh. But that 10% was on point.
People go to italy or france, eat at some shitty place, says it's overrated.
Or maybe they aren't used to non processed food?
Well yes, but you can go to any country and eat in a great restaurant and have great food. That's not the point either.
Well I've never been to Finland, maybe their food is vastly superior. And to be fair it doesn't take much to be better than the USA. So maybe your friend is right
Finland is the land where only spices are salt and pepper.
Well I'm not judging until I eat it with a side of ice cube salad
Dill, you forgot about dill. Also Aromat.
Well this is still according to the French so take it with a grain of salt!
And an entire bulb of garlic.
And some onions.
Right? I feel like the labels for Italy and France should be switched.
It's the only country I've ever traveled to where it felt like everyone was trying to upsell you on every little thing. See those bread sticks in the center of the table? Don't touch them, don't even fucking glance at them, or you'll get charged an arm and a leg in Euros. Ask for water but you wanted still and not sparkling? Fuck you son, that's another charge you didn't think about.
One place I went to, I shit you not, had the toilet seat and toilet paper chained to a weight you had to carry from the front of the shop to the upstairs toilet after making a purchase.
The food was just ok.
Where the hell did you go in Italy? All the food I got was super cheap. Sounds like you ate at the equivalent of a southern USA gas station
The seat chained to a weight was in Venice. TBF they did have an issue with people stealing their toilet paper...but the seat?
I will say, there was a little spot in Florence where we saw one of the workers run out the back to a nearby shop to grab an ingredient they'd just run out of. That was pretty cool of them.
That explains everthing: you went in a tourist trap
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UK not even being on the map xD
The French are just jealous of our portable usable bread, that isn't 16 feet long, doesn't go off 20 minutes after purchase, and can actually be used to make sandwiches.
It took me far too long to realise that, by "rotten cabbage", they mean Sauerkraut.
Why they gotta do Ireland and Scotland dirty like that?
They got the whole half continent dirty. Except Belarus, they are proud of it.
Come on, you really think you're that much better than English food?
The most popular Scottish dish was invented by a Pakistani and everyone thinks it's Indian.
Haggis?
Chicken tikka.
They'd prefer to say it doesn't exist
The true overrated cuisine is the french one
why are you linking to reddit instead of just posting the image itself? the reddit poster didn't create this, you don't need to credit them....
i'm not seeing a link...
the link in the title:
https://i.redd.it/rgd9x75kghoh1.png
if you try to open the image link to expand the map image, it'll take you to the reddit post. Because the image isn't being hosted here, it's hosted there. And also, the post is deleted there, so, for me at least, there's no way to expand the image and zoom in. I'm on firefox, if it matters.
i get a higher-res version from the sopuli proxy and don't see the link. but it looks like that's a voyager thing, the browser ui redirects.
That's the only reason, but I can think of some others:
IMO, # 2 and 3 are terrible reasons.
Re: #2: If bandwidth or storage were a problem, the instance admins could handle it. Preemptively hotlinking to some external site deprives them of the chance to solve the problem in a better way, while also making it more likely that the pic becomes unavailable and leaves an orphaned post.
Re: #3: Another way of saying that is "letting Reddit's corporate censorship usurp the Lemmy mods' and admins' power." Does it still sound like a good thing? Just because fucking Reddit, of all non-person entities, has a problem with it, doesn't mean it's right or that the Lemmy instance hosting it is subject to the same laws!
Why is the place with the best food labeled "famine"
It’s the European equivalent of extreme poverty. But by world standards, they’re doing just fine lol.
Was gonna say, maybe I'm just not aware of it, but France had famine in it much later than the Balkans . . . .https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
I was gonna say they miss the wine and fancy cheeses, but now that I think about it the wine selection is actually fairly solid, and you don't get much fancier than Pule.
That region includes some of the highest wine producing countries in the world
Soggy pastry? I'm a Dane, and I have absolutely no clue, what that's supposed to refer to?
Maybe it's the cookies that come with every new sewing box.
As an American that has lived in dk for 7 years, I've no clue either. Danes sure do love their sweets, but I can't think of any soggy ones.
Probably any pastry thats not as dry as a croissant
Probably all the filled pastries?
"Marie Antoinette" is probably the strangest food on that map. I had no idea about French meat preferences.
PS: I wonder where the Viennoiserie is from.
Where’s the UK? Should be “frightened of flavor.”
I don't understand. The vast Atlantic Ocean is right there.
So utterly irrelevant it bares no mention. ^/s
“The bland feeding the bland.”
One day we’ll catch them on film enjoying a Greggs sausage roll and the charade will be over.
I love this insult between France and the Netherlands:
Having 50 varieties of Gouda doesn't make you a cheese country
Completely valid criticism for hungary. I just put like a kilo of paprika on like 100 grams of chicken 💀
Danish pastry is not soggy. On the contrary, it's a lot crispier than what the rest of Europe is eating.
Perhaps they're thinking of the pastry called a danish, which is not Danish. We ourselves call it a Berliner, but I think it's actually from Austria.
maybe it's actually swedish but wienerbröd is kinda soggy, isn't it?
The origins are unclear. The Danish bakers stole the recipe for soggy cakes from Vienna, hence the name, but then the Austrian bakers startede calling it a copenhagen plunder. Immigrants brought the cake to America by the name danish.
Technically the whole range of similar cakes are neither cakes, bread or pastry. They're viennoiseries, which is layered dough, just like croissants.
Croissants, also from Vienna.
And now guess what Viennoiseries means and its story of origin.
Wienerbrød, aka bread from Wien was inspired by Austrian bakers (classic "neutral" SCABS!) who came up to work in Denmark during a huge baker's strike in the mid 1800s. But as is the Danish way, we managed to pump it full of dairy, in this case butter.
But yeah, it is possible that it's referring to "remonce", the filling/topping used.
Meatball inventors? We stole that straight up from the ottomans
That's why the map says meatball "inventors" instead of just meatball inventors
The Franco-Ottoman alliance of 1536 stands strong
Ah yeah, I missed the quotation marks
I think you confuse that with kåldolmar, which has that origin. Meatballs were quite a staple in most Northern European countries for centuries before any of that. Of course Sweden didn't invent meatballs either, they just popularised them outside of Europe via Ikea.
The more you know! Seems like the theory of both Kåldolmar and Köttbullar being Ottoman-inspired is disputed.
Ha ha, that was pretty good. I feel like the Uk, scotland, and ireland, if not wales too, could be good puns even as the vast atlantic ocean is a good single pun.
English is not my first language, can you explain what the pun is on the ocean?
That english food is so bad that it's not worth mentioning.
Oooohhh, I understand now. I didn't notice that UK was missing on the map. Thank you
And that says a lot
checks out. i had rotten cabbage today.
While "rotten cabbage" seems to be a correct descriptor, I was somewhat aghast to not be included in the potato munchers. I mean... people are out there calling us potatoes... but then I looked it up and Germany is in the lower midfield of how much potatoes countries in the EU eat.
I'm tipping my hat to you Latvia. Respect. 112,7 kg per person per year. That is nearly double the 57,4 kg per person per year we eat in Germany.
Edit: HAH! That seemed to have been older data, take THAT Latvia! Instead I must now bow to our new starchy overlords, the Poles.
Fermented cabbage is not rotten, nor is pickled cabbage. Funny or no, fermented cabbage is fucking awesome. And potatoes.
Most fermented things are awesome.
Got newer data? Germany if it keeps up the 2023 rise could have overtaken Poland
Well... we did have a record harvest in 2025... but so did Poland.
"fries"
Accurate.
We Dutch people don’t even eat that much sauerkraut since it is a German dish. The French actually know us for our baked goods. You know the ones that kick in after an hour.
Every now and then this picture or some variation of pops up and my country gets slapped with being rice country.
We cook and eat better than the spanish, french and italians put together. And we are not afraid of our spices.
🇵🇹
Didn't see 🇲🇽 on the map.
I can't get mexican food here. At least not any more. There was a Cantina Mariachi once near where I lived but it closed down after a few years. But I know the cuisine is really interesting and fresh.
Overrated but acceptable. Everything else sucks, though.
France as proper cuisine? I have to disagree... The best cuisine is the one i grew up eating!
BTW, Marie Antoinette ?!
Let them eat cake. The Ösis love their sweet dishes.
French food is under spiced.
Like lots of useful techniques, don’t get me wrong, but, no. The culinary tradition is limited in regards to scope of ingredients and flavor profiles.
At least the Germans are humble enough to eagerly adopt new spices and seasonings.
Edit: croissants are from Austria
What? That goes against my ~10 years of living in Germany. They hate anything not traditional, and their traditional food is absolutely fucking disgusting.
Maybe you're confused because of the many immigrant-held places? I've never had a good döner from a place managed by a white German, but good kebab places in Germany are infinitely better than fast food in France
The fact that kebab places are so prevalent in Germany shows the average German is quite open to foreign foods. Even “traditional” German foods get spins from foreign foods, like curry wurst. I’ve also seen quite a few inspired takes on flammekueche using foreign inspirations.
french cousine is either just bland or disgusting no where in between
That's not even shitpost-worthy. Only biased.
I had a great time in money. It definitely cost a lot of money.
Ice cuba salad? Lol wtf
Nah, we actually respect italian cuisine.