Inde Navarrette was not ‘casted’ as Rogue in the X-Men, but she was cast in the role. I’m sick of hearing illiterate idiots use that word every time some sort of movie news comes out.
Does no one think it's weird how OP is copying and pasting other people's complaints here?
We're not talking to the person who is annoyed. OP isn't venting. They're just bringing threads of negativity to the fediverse here and turning this place into reddit 2.
You are commenting on administration and procedure. What do you think of the common spelling error? It's hardly negative unless you see the world darkly.
Ragebait makes the internet a worse place and that's all this is. Just riling people up about a non-issue because the original post got a lot of upvotes. OP is a spambot.
It's also very hypocritical to me how a community that's so anti-AI (for the record, I agree) has no problem with other types of stolen content. Reposting someone's work without credit is fine as long as it doesn't touch a model, I guess.
I've encountered a surprising amount of seemingly intelligent, successful, people recently who of their own admission don't read books. They just watch short videos, maybe a movie, and read social media.
I'm not a researcher but I expect that their vocabulary is stunted as a result.
But they're so weirdly proud about it. Like a defiant 12 year old who doesn't want to do his homework.
I've had a respiratory specialist with over a decade of experience tell me he doesn't like reading and now doesn't even like putting time into movies. He says there's no need when you can see the highlights on TikTok and they show you the best parts of the movie in a couple of minutes without having to sit through boring parts. All of this was unironic with him excitedly showing me how great his TikTok feed is.
I've told him that this is like having a single bite of a meat patty and thinking you've "eaten a burger".
I (a man in his 40s) pronounced Lathe wrong the other day in a meeting when referencing the le Guin story "the lathe of heaven". Someone privately messaged me after to say "great book. BTW, it's pronounced..."
It might be possible that dice took over in usage because most people are never introduced to the concept of dice being singular. Very few mainstream dice based games from my childhood used less than two dice: Monopoly, Yahtzee, Farkle, Risk, Parcheesi, Backgammon. Trouble is the only one I remember that used a single die and that game didn’t even let you roll it.
This will literally be the new literally, I guess.
Spelling conventions have taken quite a hit in the age of automated subtitles. We're devolving to the 1600s where this was more vibe based. I think there is also an element of wanting to show human frailty in content so no one suspects you of pushing slop.
Nothing has recently changed about the way people use the word literally. The figurative use of literally has been used in famous works by the likes of Dickins, Twain and at least one of the Bronte sisters, and was first noted in an English dictionary in 1769 - people have literally been using it that way for at least 250 years.
Which is stupid, because the reason it's used that way is for irony. To be funny. If the word is literally defined as figuratively, then it kills the entire reason it was used in the first place.
Yup. And sometimes bad means bad and bad means good, but bad still means bad in the dictionary so unless I'm in an casual discussion where slang is acceptable, bad still means bad.
Unlike literally which is now defined as literally or figuratively in the dictionary as of 2013.
Well I went back to the Merriam Webster page from 2010 and all the news articles from 2013 about changing the definition of literally are objectively bullshit, so I was wrong.
Just because it had been used occasionally in the past is irrelevant (notably in metaphors or hyperbole). If anything, those literary uses strengthen the denotaton of the word.
1530s, "in a literal sense, according to the exact meaning of the word or words used," from literal + -ly
The dictionary (OED) is built around common usage and clearly shows common usage for a long time.
Just because illiterate Kardashians use it incorrectly doesn't mean the rest of us should.
Getting upset at people using literally in a figurative manner is popular these days, but it isn't based on an actual change in usage. There are actually dozens of other words used euphemistically as intensifiers in the same way ('totally', 'absolutely', 'fantastic', 'amazing'), but no one seems to mind for some reason.
It is a bugbear for some, irregardless of when the first example was documented. Loose/lose has the potential to be such an annoyance. For some people.
The word "new" can carry a connotation of "recent" but it more literally implies "the latest version." For all intensive purposes, I did not mean to imply the controversy about the metaphorical use of "literally" was a recent development.
Fair enough. My comment wasn't aimed so much at you, I just like pointing out that the use of literally as an intensifier has a long and prestigious history.
Also, really sorry to do this to you, but it's "all intents and purposes", not "intensive purposes".
Fun fact, the current pronunciation of "lose" likely comes from people in the past confusing it with "loose"! Quoting the OED:
The regular modern English pronunciation representing Old English losian would be /ləʊz/; the standard English pronunciation /luːz/ seems to be due to association with LOOSE v., which in some contexts (e.g. to loose hold) closely approaches this verb in meaning.
Otherwise it would probably be pronounced as /ləʊz/ (similar to nose, pose, close, etc.).
So people in the past doing the conflation - totally fine, accepted, and normal. Because that's what you learned from the start. But people now doing the same kind of conflation - unacceptable, illiterate, stupid. Because that's new and different.
I've been following this English teacher on Instagram, who has had every attempt at getting kids to read thwarted by the school admins, who don't want anything 'woke' or 'political' or too challenging in any way. Which left this teacher with an empty library by the time the admin was done.
So it's not the kids' fault, it's not social media's fault, it's not even the teacher's fault. It's pearl clutching, conservative, anti 'woke', horse dewormer enjoying, piss drinkers that want these kids to stay stupid and unquestioning, and to have the reading ability of 5th graders.
I guess that if you put a bunch of religious fruitcakes that think science and education are woke devil magic in charge of things, you're going to end up with poorly educated children. Who would've thought?
Come on, it's a little social media's fault, too. They also benefit from these kids staying stupid and unquestioning. I agree with everything else you said, though.
When I was learning english I used to confuse the spelling though, cause the word lose to me sounds like the same sound as the double o in other words :3. Though once I got used to the weird english spelling rules I fixed that problem. Now if only I could remember which way round desert and dessert are..
Native English speaker here, lose/loose are tough ones.
Looking at both words I could see how either one could be pronounced either way.
Thanks French (I suspect)!
It's useful to keep in mind that written words are merely an attempt to record sounds, and when these spellings occurred these words were very likely pronounced much differently than today.
Neither word is of french origin, im pretty sure :3
Anywho, yeah I know a large part of why english spelling is the way that it is is because of things like the great vowel shift, which came after the spelling standardizations, as well as the mix of germanic, latin, and french (norman) influences all coming with their own spelling rules (as well as one off words borrowing spellings from other languages like spanish), but as someone coming from a language with pretty consistent spelling where loan words are adapted phonetically, the whole mess of having to know the origin of the word to even begin to vaguely grasp at the spelling was an adjustment lol.
I mean, the weirdest spelling related quirk in my native language is that we have letters referred to as "nasal letters" which are not in any way pronounced nasally hah :3 compared to english, it's a walk in the park
Yes English is a complete train wreck of a language for multiple reasons, not just in terms of spelling and grammar, but every single aspect of the language. I do appreciate that it's mostly non-gendered, but that's just about the only win it has. English should have done what a few other languages did back around the 1800s and completely revamped how every single word is spelled to make it all uniform (and achieve a truly phonetic alphabet), but it's kind of too late for that now.
As a non-binary person I do appreciate the ability to have non-gendered words in english :3 my native language has everything as male or female which is... Ugh
Also funny thing about the spelling reform - we had one here in like.. the 19th century, though it was not because our spelling had gotten vastly inconsistent or anything, the main thing that was changed was that a lot of sounds written with polish inspired digraphs (sz, cz etc.) were replaced by czech inspired š, č, ž etc.. and also the letter ł which was also a polish influence was removed.. which is fair, we didn't really have a use for it. We also still have the digraph ch :3
Either way, we used to often have things like old 18th or 17th century papers in our textbooks to read, and they were still perfectly readable with the old spelling if you knew those few changes, so it wasn't a major change, though I do think it was a good one
It’s never going to happen as modern English is six small children in a trench coat but it’d be lovely if there was a spelling reform like German went through. While there are one or two quirks (long/short unspelled vowels, no one pronounces -ig properly, Berliners insist on being weirdos), you can generally know exactly how a written word is pronounced in (standard) German.
I am definitely one of those who makes typos and gets mad about this but - the internet needs to get more pedantic about spelling and grammar mistakes again.
Wouldn't it be great if the internet automatically rejects any post that contains a lie or grammar/spelling error? The internet would get cleaned up SO DAMN QUICKLY! 😄
A similar one I see quite often is "and" when it should be "an". Not sure if it's an auto-complete thing or they genuinely don't know the difference, maybe due to their accent/dialect. Either way it's like getting tripped while walking when stumbling over it in a sentence.
The then/than problem is also getting out of hand these days. Again, not sure if it's an auto-correct thing or not, but either way it pisses me off much more than it probably should.
I'm not a grammar nazi, but I like to be helpful to people who want help:
Lose: Pronounced "loose", as in "if you're gonna challenge me to explain the difference between 'lose' and 'loose' well, ha, let's just say you're gonna lose/loose"
Loose: Pronounced "lose", as in "just how lose/loose do you think AOC's anal sphincter really is?"
Yes but that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. They are two different words used to explain two different concepts. Just spell them and articulate yourself correctly. New generations may create modern words to represent modern concepts, but even those need to be spelled correctly to be correctly understood. If teachers adopted your opinion, none of us would have generalised communication (language), and therefore none of us would be able to understand eachother. Misspelling words misrepresents ideas. Nobody spells fart instead of cart and expects you to understand. I agree with the statement but your understanding needs more nuance.
I am totally okay with this tbh, it's one of the words that I struggled with when I learned English in school. It makes no sense that lose and loose sound the same.
It does sound the same to me as a non-native speaker, but if i can spell it right and understand the difference, you can too. Because there's tougher language out there, like chinese, that you can say the exact same sounding word but mean different thing. As a chinese myself, that's how i learn the important of getting the word right.
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My version of this is “casted”.
The past tense of cast is cast.
Inde Navarrette was not ‘casted’ as Rogue in the X-Men, but she was cast in the role. I’m sick of hearing illiterate idiots use that word every time some sort of movie news comes out.
This spelling has been around for a while now and it seems like it is here to stay. I hate it so much.
When the arm fat gets loose, where does it go?
For most ladies, it sheds off during bouts of bingo at the community center.
Once it's looseded, nobody knows where it goes.
Does no one think it's weird how OP is copying and pasting other people's complaints here?
We're not talking to the person who is annoyed. OP isn't venting. They're just bringing threads of negativity to the fediverse here and turning this place into reddit 2.
You are commenting on administration and procedure. What do you think of the common spelling error? It's hardly negative unless you see the world darkly.
Ragebait makes the internet a worse place and that's all this is. Just riling people up about a non-issue because the original post got a lot of upvotes. OP is a spambot.
It's also very hypocritical to me how a community that's so anti-AI (for the record, I agree) has no problem with other types of stolen content. Reposting someone's work without credit is fine as long as it doesn't touch a model, I guess.
"Noone" is another one I've been seeing recently. Should be "no one".
Less common but more confusing is using "are" for "our".
More young people should be mad about the shitty education they got, instead of taking correction as a personal attack.
We couldn't do a lot for my son, but we made damn sure he could read and write. He read well above grade level throughout school.
i miss when the internet was full of grammar nazis instead of actual nazis
Capitalize the first word in your sentences and use proper punctuation, citizen.
FTFY. I hope that helps.
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People who proclaim others are Grammar Nazis generally may need to focus more on spelling and less on cheesy melodrama.
gramnar nazi’s
Breaking news: people on TikTok are illiterate; water is wet; sky is blue
Woah buddy, I'ma need you to pump the breaks
It's not just tiktok, I see people here (and everywhere) misuse "anymore" all the time these days. It needs to follow a negative!
Similarly, everyday is an adjective. Every day is when something happens daily.
🤓 ackchyually...
Water is not wet. Water makes things wet.
Water makes water wet. Checkmate, atheist.
Only if it's a single molecule of water, which would make it water vapor, not water.
If water makes things wet, then it makes the other water wet too.
I've encountered a surprising amount of seemingly intelligent, successful, people recently who of their own admission don't read books. They just watch short videos, maybe a movie, and read social media.
I'm not a researcher but I expect that their vocabulary is stunted as a result.
But they're so weirdly proud about it. Like a defiant 12 year old who doesn't want to do his homework.
I've had a respiratory specialist with over a decade of experience tell me he doesn't like reading and now doesn't even like putting time into movies. He says there's no need when you can see the highlights on TikTok and they show you the best parts of the movie in a couple of minutes without having to sit through boring parts. All of this was unironic with him excitedly showing me how great his TikTok feed is.
I've told him that this is like having a single bite of a meat patty and thinking you've "eaten a burger".
That sounds like something out of Idiocracy. Just... it can't all be highlights. Some things need to build!
I'm baitin!
that is somehow depressing as fuck. I mean, worse for them - they're denying themselves so much, but also, for what it says about society. fuck
Yup. My kiddo reads A LOT, and his lexicon is wild. He mispronounces things since he's only ever seen it in writing, so we have fun with that.
I (a man in his 40s) pronounced Lathe wrong the other day in a meeting when referencing the le Guin story "the lathe of heaven". Someone privately messaged me after to say "great book. BTW, it's pronounced..."
The cult of ignorance demands you spell poorly.
Two others I mourn the death of, as in, it's more often done wrongly than not, at least on the Internet:
"Led" as the past tense of "lead": I basically never see it any more. People just use "lead" for the past tense; and
Singular "die." People just use "dice" for both plural and singular. Though I occasionally see plural "die." I hate this.
die vs dice was dead IRL among non-TTRPG crowds long before the Internet was adopted by the masses.
It might be possible that dice took over in usage because most people are never introduced to the concept of dice being singular. Very few mainstream dice based games from my childhood used less than two dice: Monopoly, Yahtzee, Farkle, Risk, Parcheesi, Backgammon. Trouble is the only one I remember that used a single die and that game didn’t even let you roll it.
the dumb led by the dumb
This will literally be the new literally, I guess.
Spelling conventions have taken quite a hit in the age of automated subtitles. We're devolving to the 1600s where this was more vibe based. I think there is also an element of wanting to show human frailty in content so no one suspects you of pushing slop.
No, this dipshittery had been going on far longer than that.
"Nay, þis dipschytterye hadde ben goynge onne farr lenger þan þat."
Nothing has recently changed about the way people use the word literally. The figurative use of literally has been used in famous works by the likes of Dickins, Twain and at least one of the Bronte sisters, and was first noted in an English dictionary in 1769 - people have literally been using it that way for at least 250 years.
Merriam Webster updated the definition of literally to include the "informal" figurative definition in 2013.
Now I use "objectively" because literally doesn't literally mean literally in the dictionary.
Which is stupid, because the reason it's used that way is for irony. To be funny. If the word is literally defined as figuratively, then it kills the entire reason it was used in the first place.
Its use as an intensifier dates back to the 1700s, and only since the early 20th century has its use as an intensifier been controversial
Yup. And sometimes bad means bad and bad means good, but bad still means bad in the dictionary so unless I'm in an casual discussion where slang is acceptable, bad still means bad.
Unlike literally which is now defined as literally or figuratively in the dictionary as of 2013.
According to Merriam-Webster they included its non-literal use in their dictionary since at least 1909.
Well I went back to the Merriam Webster page from 2010 and all the news articles from 2013 about changing the definition of literally are objectively bullshit, so I was wrong.
Merriam Webster Literally 2010
...aaaand now people are using objectively wrong too
It's changed massively in recent decades.
Just because it had been used occasionally in the past is irrelevant (notably in metaphors or hyperbole). If anything, those literary uses strengthen the denotaton of the word.
The dictionary (OED) is built around common usage and clearly shows common usage for a long time.
Just because illiterate Kardashians use it incorrectly doesn't mean the rest of us should.
You are wrong.
Getting upset at people using literally in a figurative manner is popular these days, but it isn't based on an actual change in usage. There are actually dozens of other words used euphemistically as intensifiers in the same way ('totally', 'absolutely', 'fantastic', 'amazing'), but no one seems to mind for some reason.
The dictionary is infamously slow to change based on common use.
It is a bugbear for some, irregardless of when the first example was documented. Loose/lose has the potential to be such an annoyance. For some people.
The word "new" can carry a connotation of "recent" but it more literally implies "the latest version." For all intensive purposes, I did not mean to imply the controversy about the metaphorical use of "literally" was a recent development.
Fair enough. My comment wasn't aimed so much at you, I just like pointing out that the use of literally as an intensifier has a long and prestigious history.
Also, really sorry to do this to you, but it's "all intents and purposes", not "intensive purposes".
Also, irregardless isn't a word if we're being hardcore grammar Nazis here...
How long before the slop adapts and starts inserting typos and such?
You loost me on this one.
*lawst
*LAOUGHWPFST
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:.|:;Fun fact, the current pronunciation of "lose" likely comes from people in the past confusing it with "loose"! Quoting the OED:
Otherwise it would probably be pronounced as /ləʊz/ (similar to nose, pose, close, etc.).
So people in the past doing the conflation - totally fine, accepted, and normal. Because that's what you learned from the start. But people now doing the same kind of conflation - unacceptable, illiterate, stupid. Because that's new and different.
People are afraid of change, who knew...
Sure, BUT have you ever considered that [your generation] is the bestest generation and every generation that came after is weird, dumb, and bad?
Lowe's
I've been following this English teacher on Instagram, who has had every attempt at getting kids to read thwarted by the school admins, who don't want anything 'woke' or 'political' or too challenging in any way. Which left this teacher with an empty library by the time the admin was done.
So it's not the kids' fault, it's not social media's fault, it's not even the teacher's fault. It's pearl clutching, conservative, anti 'woke', horse dewormer enjoying, piss drinkers that want these kids to stay stupid and unquestioning, and to have the reading ability of 5th graders.
I guess that if you put a bunch of religious fruitcakes that think science and education are woke devil magic in charge of things, you're going to end up with poorly educated children. Who would've thought?
Come on, it's a little social media's fault, too. They also benefit from these kids staying stupid and unquestioning. I agree with everything else you said, though.
I was actually corrected on this not too long ago, and I am happy to report that I now remember the correct spelling!
You ready to take on accept vs. except now?
How about affect and effect?
Effect causes shit to happen and affect is the cause from shit happening
You're gonna want to reverse that.
Or “the reason is that” instead of “the reason is because”?
I have David Foster Wallace to thank for this little gift of constantly hearing a very common grammatical error of little consequence.
Yeah I see this everyday now, really seems like noone spell's things wright anymore!
There just dum.
It equals zero cents!
I loosed it by losing 150 pounds. It's a biological bummer that one can literally deflate themselves and things don't re-tighten.
The bigger bummer is your fat cells don't actually go away. They just shrink, so it's easy to get fat again.
I bet your waste size dropped at least 5 sizes!
I dropped from a 52 to a 38. I've since gained 60 of those pounds back, but a lot of it's muscle.
I kept the fat guy jeans to remind myself of where I started. Body dysmorphia's a huge issue.
I spell lose as lose :3
When I was learning english I used to confuse the spelling though, cause the word lose to me sounds like the same sound as the double o in other words :3. Though once I got used to the weird english spelling rules I fixed that problem. Now if only I could remember which way round desert and dessert are..
Handy memory trick on that one, the one you want more of has more S's in it.
Everyone's throwing out weird mnemonic with alliterative desserts... But it's just "stressed" backwards.
If you're stressed, you should have some desserts to calm down!
My favorite deSSert is Strawberry Shortcake.
Native English speaker here, lose/loose are tough ones.
Looking at both words I could see how either one could be pronounced either way.
Thanks French (I suspect)!
It's useful to keep in mind that written words are merely an attempt to record sounds, and when these spellings occurred these words were very likely pronounced much differently than today.
Neither word is of french origin, im pretty sure :3
Anywho, yeah I know a large part of why english spelling is the way that it is is because of things like the great vowel shift, which came after the spelling standardizations, as well as the mix of germanic, latin, and french (norman) influences all coming with their own spelling rules (as well as one off words borrowing spellings from other languages like spanish), but as someone coming from a language with pretty consistent spelling where loan words are adapted phonetically, the whole mess of having to know the origin of the word to even begin to vaguely grasp at the spelling was an adjustment lol.
I mean, the weirdest spelling related quirk in my native language is that we have letters referred to as "nasal letters" which are not in any way pronounced nasally hah :3 compared to english, it's a walk in the park
Yes English is a complete train wreck of a language for multiple reasons, not just in terms of spelling and grammar, but every single aspect of the language. I do appreciate that it's mostly non-gendered, but that's just about the only win it has. English should have done what a few other languages did back around the 1800s and completely revamped how every single word is spelled to make it all uniform (and achieve a truly phonetic alphabet), but it's kind of too late for that now.
As a non-binary person I do appreciate the ability to have non-gendered words in english :3 my native language has everything as male or female which is... Ugh
Also funny thing about the spelling reform - we had one here in like.. the 19th century, though it was not because our spelling had gotten vastly inconsistent or anything, the main thing that was changed was that a lot of sounds written with polish inspired digraphs (sz, cz etc.) were replaced by czech inspired š, č, ž etc.. and also the letter ł which was also a polish influence was removed.. which is fair, we didn't really have a use for it. We also still have the digraph ch :3
Either way, we used to often have things like old 18th or 17th century papers in our textbooks to read, and they were still perfectly readable with the old spelling if you knew those few changes, so it wasn't a major change, though I do think it was a good one
You eat a dessert and it makes you fatter, just like how it's fatter than desert
They do it for engagement, half the comments will be dimwits correcting their spelling.
And almost all of the comments here are acting like OP isn't just reposting ragebait from reddit so I guess the fediverse can't really dunk on tiktok
It’s never going to happen as modern English is six small children in a trench coat but it’d be lovely if there was a spelling reform like German went through. While there are one or two quirks (long/short unspelled vowels, no one pronounces -ig properly, Berliners insist on being weirdos), you can generally know exactly how a written word is pronounced in (standard) German.
I am definitely one of those who makes typos and gets mad about this but - the internet needs to get more pedantic about spelling and grammar mistakes again.
Wouldn't it be great if the internet automatically rejects any post that contains a lie or grammar/spelling error? The internet would get cleaned up SO DAMN QUICKLY! 😄
You laugh. I dream of this.
It would help if lose didn't have the double O "oo" sound so when people who rely on phonetics sound it out they avoid stumbling into the loose trap.
Same people that think you can target fat.
You can.
But with diet.
As my bodybuilder friends would say - abs are made in the kitchen (for them anyway, rest of us fatties just get less fat in the kitchen).
A similar one I see quite often is "and" when it should be "an". Not sure if it's an auto-complete thing or they genuinely don't know the difference, maybe due to their accent/dialect. Either way it's like getting tripped while walking when stumbling over it in a sentence.
The then/than problem is also getting out of hand these days. Again, not sure if it's an auto-correct thing or not, but either way it pisses me off much more than it probably should.
This is a pet peeve of mine, I see “loose” used incorrectly all the time.
Beast Titan build.
Spelling reform (the natural way) is spooky
So much badlinguistics in this thread I don't even know where to start.
I lost it by trying to press play too many times on screenshots of videos
I'm not a grammar nazi, but I like to be helpful to people who want help:
Lose: Pronounced "loose", as in "if you're gonna challenge me to explain the difference between 'lose' and 'loose' well, ha, let's just say you're gonna lose/loose"
Loose: Pronounced "lose", as in "just how lose/loose do you think AOC's anal sphincter really is?"
languages are fluid and can evolve
Yes but that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. They are two different words used to explain two different concepts. Just spell them and articulate yourself correctly. New generations may create modern words to represent modern concepts, but even those need to be spelled correctly to be correctly understood. If teachers adopted your opinion, none of us would have generalised communication (language), and therefore none of us would be able to understand eachother. Misspelling words misrepresents ideas. Nobody spells fart instead of cart and expects you to understand. I agree with the statement but your understanding needs more nuance.
words merging is a thing that happened countless times in English's history. why make a fuss about this one?
Or in this case, devolve.
you are right. languages change whether you like it or not.
I am totally okay with this tbh, it's one of the words that I struggled with when I learned English in school. It makes no sense that lose and loose sound the same.
Not sure if you’re joking or completely unaware that they don’t actually sound the same…
I'd wager they sound the same to most non-native speakers in a casual conversation.
Yeah, just like news and noose sound the same /s
It does sound the same to me as a non-native speaker, but if i can spell it right and understand the difference, you can too. Because there's tougher language out there, like chinese, that you can say the exact same sounding word but mean different thing. As a chinese myself, that's how i learn the important of getting the word right.
Guess what?
All of Italian sounds the same to me, a non-native speaker.
They don't. One is lose (loo-zz), the other is loose (loo-ss).
Haha yeah totally /s