There's this story that Mark Hammil tells about being on the set of Star Wars and he mentions to Harrison Ford that their hair should be wet, since it was just wet in the previous scene.
And Ford says something like, "This ain't that kind of movie, kid. If the audience is talking about our hair, something has already gone wrong."
I actually really like that line. I remember watching the latest Star Wars trilogy and just nitpicking. I'm not a super fan, I don't even own anything Star Wars. But, the movies kept pulling out stupid takes that my suspension of disbelief was gone and I kept focusing on hyper details.
I also like that Harrison Ford calls everyone kid.
Please remember that Star Wars was released in 1977. It absolutely blew people's minds because they were doing something that nobody had ever seen before, to an audience that was just perfectly ripe for receiving it. It would have been impossible for them to cover every single base, when they were doing such ground breaking things, you kind of have to see it in the light of that, like you would watch Metropolis by Fritz Lang, or Nosferatu.
You can't nitpick it the same way you can Marvel slop in 2026, there was so many ground breaking things, most of all it was a genuinely alien experience because we hadn't really seen such a well designed intergalactic society and world building before, that all the minor stuff is just afterthoughts to what the greater story was.
It's like finding flaws in a renaissance painting, or the Iliad, or classical opera- which is a fitting comparison considering SW is the definition of space opera, down to containing one of the most genuinely masterful, memorable, and well crafted scores of all time.
Mark Hammil does an excellent Harrison Ford impression, so there's a possibility that the "kid" is part of the impression, rather than a direct quote. Also, I was doing the quote from memory, so I might have remembered it wrong.
But I also like the thought that Harrison Ford calls everyone kid.
Ford's attitude about the films has always just pissed me off. If you don't like something, which you clearly don't, why you do it in the first place?
Hell, I'd argue his career wouldn't be what it became without star wars and he should at least be able to acknowledge that.
He always just comes off as "I'm better than you, I'm better than this franchise, I'm better than anything"
Christopher Eccleston famously hated Dr who, and he never seems to say a negative thing about it. Plenty of MCU actors hate the MCU, they don't talk shit, and I can't see them talking shit about them for several decades either.
Ford struggled with anxiety and imposter syndrome early on, and developed his tough, flippant exterior around that as a coping mechanism. So there are a lot of stories about him saying callous, tough guy things. But he's quite a softie who really loves the art of acting, so I don't think he's really dismissing everything and everyone outright.
I think Ford's attitude is similar to Guinness' attitude - it's not that he hates Star Wars, it's that he hates that it's completely overshadowed his other work and nobody ever talks to him about any other part of his career.
Yep. I find it interesting, too, that the first appearance of ford is in some western tv show from 1967.... it took a full decade for him to become a real star. meanwhile he worked on FFC's cabinets lol
MCU is genuinely mass market slop though. I cannot believe people watch that drivel, and I judge people who do. That's all I have to say on the matter, good day, Sir, I SAID GOOD DAY.
Oh damn! Great catch, those are definitely one of the details why I could never get into the show. My brain registered it subconsciously without verbalizing it, I just knew I didn't like it or it felt dumb for some reason.
It was just emo drama happen to be set in a zombie apocalypse setting that wasn't even believable.
Not as bad as the comic though. That one sucked so bad.
My biggest gripe is when they're not cleanly shaven, visibly dirty and rugged, and then their teeth are blinding white. Motherfucker even my own teeth don't fucking blind me and I wash my teeth.
They're always "styled dirty", so they look filthy but somehow perfect. It's like when the hero gets a cut, it's always this cool looking little streak across the cheekbone, or if it's on the body it's a perfect 10cm scar on the shoulder, or close by the pelvis so they can show off their abs. It takes me out of the suspension of disbelief, because I can't get lost in the acting if the acting is done by these perfect creatures that look NOTHING like they haven't slept, are underfed, paranoid, depressed, and on the brink.
Sure, that is harder to achieve, because good art is hard to achieve, and I just don't dig cheap art, what can I say.
Part of that (the cut placement) is making the prosthetics though. Yeah, you can make good looking cuts elsewhere, but the more the site moves, the more hassle it is. Facial prosthetics in particular run into trouble when they're near the mouth or brows. So you end up with cheeks being preferred overall.
With the body, you run into issues with making something visible, movable, and believable. Gashes across the abs fail at all three, whereas shoulder and pecs are solid choices. Legs would be too, but they're not in frame as much, and shouldn't be without a good reason.
Everything on screen is a compromise of some sort.
Sure, all that, but they do it because it looks cool.
Of course, compromise. I mean... To a degree. Some auteurs as, sigh, Kubrick let's say, refuse to compromise, I believe the same thing went for Alfred Hitchcock and, fuck it, John Carpenter. There is something to be said for realism. Sometimes less is more. Most of the time that's true at least half of the time I feel like.
* In Carpenter's case, most of the time more is never enough.
The Ghost and the Darkness, Val Kilmer. I enjoyed that movie a lot. But every time that handsome devil smiled it took me right out of 18th century Kenya and straight to 1996 LA TMZ.
they use whitening products to make thier teeth that white. i dint know people did this excessively to thier teeth. it actually damages your teeth in the end.
I also wash my teeth. Im just using regular dawn right now and my teeth are still yellow too. Maybe I need to try that citrus stuff with the grit in it.
Bruh, when you're out in the shit and get a chance to shave, you do it. If you're used to a certain length, and CANT shave, it's like #3 on the list of things you dream about when thinking about getting back to civilization. So if you're always in the shit, you'll always put it high on the list.
Once survival has gone on for some time (depends on the person), you're going to start making a few 'comfort' decisions. Granted, I wouldn't go raid a CVS for razors but if I found a pair of scissors I might start doing a trim.
Also, hate the feeling of greasy hair, so I'm quick to cut it off or rub dirt all over it if I can't take care of it.
Absolutely, getting a shower and having soap on your body is Magical Jesus Heaven when you've been in the dirt for a longer period of time, and it's definitely an important morale motivator, actually just longing for it, so it definitely has survival value apart from basic hygiene making sure to let the body heal and not catch infections and so on...
I suppose the scope of the situation matters for what we are talking about. In a true survival situation, it's an afterthought. In anything below that it becomes proportionally more accessible and pertinent, of course.
Edit: Shit I answered twice without noticing, I just re-read your comment and had something else to say I suppose :) <3
There is a lot to be said for morale improving things like hot showers, clipping your nails, and all of that, but they are always luxuries (valuable luxuries), though they could certainly act as motivators. When you live under duress, you find that you can actually get used to very base forms of existence, over a long time.
Edit: ah shit for some reason I can't see that Ive commented on you before so I keep doing it thinking it's a new comment. Shit, I'm gonna write a letter to the devs of this app, Eternity, I have many opinions on many of the tings.
Edit2: then again one might wonder how come I can't recognize a comment I've read three times.... Hmmm
I meant after basic survival needs have been met. Obviously food, water, shelter are more important. But humans are hard wired to feel a sense of some hygiene, though you wouldn't know it from some people.
True, and a beard can be useful to break up the visual lines that the human brain identifies as a face. It'd only be a part of the overall camouflage profile, but if it's already 1/3 done for you, it's a win. But I can't stand my beard getting that long. It's like wearing a steel wool sweater to me.
Maybe they forced her to get laser hair removal when they were messing with her. Super underrated show! I love Dirk Gently, whatever character has screen time at a given moment is my favorite character.
Yep, Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency. The original books that it’s based off is written by Douglas Adams, the author of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy!
Honestly, this is still an argument in favor of it, in my opinion. Those people only have their opinions because they were normalized at one point in time. If they're angry with you then you did something right, and hopefully in the next generation that opinion will be even less normalized.
Eh it's over twice the length of the original BBC one. I wouldn't have minded seeing more. But it ended at a good spot at least. Honestly surprised it lasted that long with Elijah in it post LOTR.
Maybe it was just luck that her pits are shaved. I mean her "super power" was basically just a Rube Goldeberg machine of happenstance going on around her.
Not everybody’s armpit hair is dark black and long and curly. This is what my spouse’s armpits would look like whether they had shaved recently or not.
If it was common place to see unshaved women then my comment wouldn’t have made any damn sense. My comment is only relevant because there are people who don’t shave and yet still look like they do.
Anyway I just had a tangential thought: my opinion of women showing off their armpit hair is identical to how I would feel about anyone who never wipes their ass after they shit. Both equally vomit-inducing. Just my opinion.
The most likely reason the actress was portrayed as unshaven was because women are overwhelmingly presented as hairless in media. Not because some people have naturally light hair.
I already explained why I replied to your comment - the reason this actress is portrayed as hairless is because we live in a patriarchal society that has strict gender expressions for women and that includes being hairless.
I wish that the conversation could be around the differences in people's bodies instead of the media presenting a very specific image of how women are supposed to present.
I think the joke was more that she doesn't know what fruit shampoo is. She was excited to shower, she knows that bathing is even if she doesn't do it often.
Does that mean she's removing body hair? No, I get why it seems inconsistent. I do think humans have a very diverse expression of body hair and some people have barely any visible body hair even if they don't remove it.
If I want to appear hairless I need to shave daily (or more, dark hair on pale skin RIP) whereas I have friends who appear hairless on their legs and armpits unless you get really close. No, it's not from waxing or laser, it's just the texture and colour of their body hair.
I'm not trying to suggest this is definitely what is going on here and it would be nice to see a wider expression of appearances in media. Maybe then we'd get over the narrow view of "acceptable" body hair.
My ex gf never had to shave anything because she had alopecia. Looked completely normal from the neck up but from the neck down the only place she grew hair was in the crotch, and even that was thin and faint.
Maybe she uses a sharpened clamshell. That's what I heard the Native Americans used to shave. It always sounded ridiculous to me. A sharpened clam shell?
IDK it says BBC America, so I guess the explanation is quite simple.
It's because Americans are crazy. An having perfectly natural hair under her armpits would be unacceptably disgusting for an American audience.
While torture, killing and poor hygiene is not.
It's very possible it just never came up. Especially if it's a male-run production. The male gaze just assumes a woman doesn't have pit hair, and if she doesn't think of it and bring it up, nobody does.
She probably takes her hairless pits for granted through long habit as we ll.
The rest of the job is basically rub "mud" product through her hair and all over her body. More attention paid to the face for closeups. (She's got lipstick and contouring and probably mascara as well, a "no makeup" makeup.) Should some makeup artist have thought of it and glued some hair trimmings to her pits? Yes. But while it would be easy in this scene/pose, it would be uncomfortable and easily shed during scenes where she needs to use her arms, and then you run into continuity problems. (I don't know the show but I assume she doesn't spend the whole time crucified like that)
I still believe there should be more representation in media of women with body hair.
We should normalize picking what's best for each person individually and not trying to portray a certain way that women are "supposed" to look.
Funnily enough, I personally prefer body hair because it's softer than stubble. But that's my personal preference and not one I tell others that they should do just to please me. (not saying you are doing this, just putting thoughts to words).
Fiona Dourif did a fantastic job portraying Bart in this show. If being clean shaven is how they wanted to appear on screen, I think their right to do so supersedes any obligation they have to 'normalize' anything for anyone else. It certainly did not harm the performance.
Natural body is a polite way of framing ungroomed. Men nor women like seeing poor hygiene. Some types of poor hygiene are seen as worse than others. Dirty hair? Sorta gross. Body hair? Disgusting.
My husband loves my hairy body. 🤷♂️ Finding hair disgusting and unsanitary isn’t a natural state for men, it’s something you’ve been taught. Clean hair isn’t unhygienic.
Isn't that for you to decide? I know gay men who think facial hair is disgusting. Some like it. Regardless, I don't get to tell my audience what they like, which is what you're trying to do.
No Americans are to blame for what was reported about Americans. Because the report is true.
If it was false, BBC would be to blame.
Do you claim the story is false?
I don't know of any other country where it's considered a scandal if a famous woman has hair under her arms.
American audience doesn't mean everybody in that audience, Americans doesn't mean everybody either, just enough to make it an issue.
And in both cases it's more than enough to make it an issue. Because it's not just a couple of weirdos, it the mainstream media too.
So the broad generalization was made by you in your head, maybe because you felt included, why did you feel included?
Do you think hair under the arms is disgusting?
I think I figured out the mentality. It's Barbie dolls. They all still subconsciously want to look like a barbie doll. and this is some DEEP subconscious conditioning too. (Exception for folks with alopecia, of course)
There’s literally a comment in this thread that pointing out the hairless pits must be because OP has a hair fetish. EDIT: There’s now 2 comments sexualizing this topic.
Everything is sexualized with women’s bodies. Removing hair is not exempt from that.
Exactly, but even so, it's an actors job, many lose weight, gain muscle, grow hair, lose hair, all the time for the role. Such a strange thing to be angry about, let the actors decide themselves lmao. What's with the new trend of people getting offended on behalf of others?
Unless I'm missing a comment from the poster, I don't think there's an argument being made to force this actor to grow body hair just for this role.
Just that it's odd that they'd go through the effort in makeup to make them appear dirty and unkempt, but don't bother to include body hair. It's a common practice in makeup to add beards to men to give them a more unkempt appearance, but not armpit or leg hair on women even though most adult women grow hair in these areas.
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Haven't seen the movie but I bet there are another million things that doesn't make any sense for a skinny woman to be able to do.
Physics leave the room when women starts swinging...
It's Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, physics was never invited in this story.
Alternative (meta)physics
Dirk Gently was so fucking goddamn good.
I miss it.
It's all farty butt-talk, if you ask me.
There's this story that Mark Hammil tells about being on the set of Star Wars and he mentions to Harrison Ford that their hair should be wet, since it was just wet in the previous scene.
And Ford says something like, "This ain't that kind of movie, kid. If the audience is talking about our hair, something has already gone wrong."
I actually really like that line. I remember watching the latest Star Wars trilogy and just nitpicking. I'm not a super fan, I don't even own anything Star Wars. But, the movies kept pulling out stupid takes that my suspension of disbelief was gone and I kept focusing on hyper details.
I also like that Harrison Ford calls everyone kid.
Rise of Skywalker gave everyone what they wanted.
If you watched it wanting a fun action adventure movie, it gave you what to wanted.
If you wanted a movie you could nitpick and complain about on the internet, it gave you what you wanted.
Please remember that Star Wars was released in 1977. It absolutely blew people's minds because they were doing something that nobody had ever seen before, to an audience that was just perfectly ripe for receiving it. It would have been impossible for them to cover every single base, when they were doing such ground breaking things, you kind of have to see it in the light of that, like you would watch Metropolis by Fritz Lang, or Nosferatu.
You can't nitpick it the same way you can Marvel slop in 2026, there was so many ground breaking things, most of all it was a genuinely alien experience because we hadn't really seen such a well designed intergalactic society and world building before, that all the minor stuff is just afterthoughts to what the greater story was.
It's like finding flaws in a renaissance painting, or the Iliad, or classical opera- which is a fitting comparison considering SW is the definition of space opera, down to containing one of the most genuinely masterful, memorable, and well crafted scores of all time.
Actually, you can always nitpick some more.
Geology rocks.
Mark Hammil does an excellent Harrison Ford impression, so there's a possibility that the "kid" is part of the impression, rather than a direct quote. Also, I was doing the quote from memory, so I might have remembered it wrong.
But I also like the thought that Harrison Ford calls everyone kid.
He is the one to pull it off every single time with perfect naturalness.
Ford's attitude about the films has always just pissed me off. If you don't like something, which you clearly don't, why you do it in the first place?
Hell, I'd argue his career wouldn't be what it became without star wars and he should at least be able to acknowledge that.
He always just comes off as "I'm better than you, I'm better than this franchise, I'm better than anything"
Christopher Eccleston famously hated Dr who, and he never seems to say a negative thing about it. Plenty of MCU actors hate the MCU, they don't talk shit, and I can't see them talking shit about them for several decades either.
Ford struggled with anxiety and imposter syndrome early on, and developed his tough, flippant exterior around that as a coping mechanism. So there are a lot of stories about him saying callous, tough guy things. But he's quite a softie who really loves the art of acting, so I don't think he's really dismissing everything and everyone outright.
its my understanding that he hated Russell T Davis because Davis was abusive to the staff.
I think Ford's attitude is similar to Guinness' attitude - it's not that he hates Star Wars, it's that he hates that it's completely overshadowed his other work and nobody ever talks to him about any other part of his career.
You mean like Indiana Jones?
I mean I don't love my job but I keep showing up for the paycheck.
I hate my job and I don't even have a job.
And you probably do a good job, just like Ford (although I've never seen a single star wars movie and it's going to stay that way).
it paid more than carpentry. No, really.
dumptrucks of money.
Which is why sigourney weaver kept making aliens movies
And fucking ACED every one of them.
That's the sign of a consummate professional. You show up and you do it anyway, and you nail it.
Famously, Agatha Christie hated Hercule Poirot, yet she still wrote him into some of the best detective stories in the world.
Yep. I find it interesting, too, that the first appearance of ford is in some western tv show from 1967.... it took a full decade for him to become a real star. meanwhile he worked on FFC's cabinets lol
Ah but carpentry is rewarded in the kingdom of heaven.
yeah, if you're really lucky people will notice you and you'll nail your big debut
Hahahahahaha
MCU is genuinely mass market slop though. I cannot believe people watch that drivel, and I judge people who do. That's all I have to say on the matter, good day, Sir, I SAID GOOD DAY.
Wild to call out a character that suffers from neck-down alopecia. Waow.
how i feel watching an apocalyptic movie where all the men are clean shaven
Always bugged me how the grass wasn't overgrown in The Walking Dead. Who the hell is going around mowing lawns in the zombie apocalypse?!
It's not like this wasn't even filmed in Maine in the Winter.
It was filmed in Atlanta. It takes 10 days from grass to go from mowed to overgrown 6 months of the year.
thank you for the good laugh
The same thing that is lighting the candles in caves and hideouts in Doom and Skyrim. It’s their summer job
There is that videogame based on that premise. Goblin cleanup. You reset and clean dungeons in between heros.
Now that you mention it, there's a lot of ammo laying around a lot of video game caves.
Sheep?
Zombie sheep.
Wouldn't zombie sheep eat baaaaa-rains?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0779982/
......baaad sheep
Oh damn! Great catch, those are definitely one of the details why I could never get into the show. My brain registered it subconsciously without verbalizing it, I just knew I didn't like it or it felt dumb for some reason.
It was just emo drama happen to be set in a zombie apocalypse setting that wasn't even believable.
Not as bad as the comic though. That one sucked so bad.
PLANTS vs ZOMBIES
My biggest gripe is when they're not cleanly shaven, visibly dirty and rugged, and then their teeth are blinding white. Motherfucker even my own teeth don't fucking blind me and I wash my teeth.
Enamels fucking ruined historical dramas for me while we're at it. Braces too tbh, ohhh we used to have actual snagle teeth in my day 😩
They're always "styled dirty", so they look filthy but somehow perfect. It's like when the hero gets a cut, it's always this cool looking little streak across the cheekbone, or if it's on the body it's a perfect 10cm scar on the shoulder, or close by the pelvis so they can show off their abs. It takes me out of the suspension of disbelief, because I can't get lost in the acting if the acting is done by these perfect creatures that look NOTHING like they haven't slept, are underfed, paranoid, depressed, and on the brink.
Sure, that is harder to achieve, because good art is hard to achieve, and I just don't dig cheap art, what can I say.
Part of that (the cut placement) is making the prosthetics though. Yeah, you can make good looking cuts elsewhere, but the more the site moves, the more hassle it is. Facial prosthetics in particular run into trouble when they're near the mouth or brows. So you end up with cheeks being preferred overall.
With the body, you run into issues with making something visible, movable, and believable. Gashes across the abs fail at all three, whereas shoulder and pecs are solid choices. Legs would be too, but they're not in frame as much, and shouldn't be without a good reason.
Everything on screen is a compromise of some sort.
Sure, all that, but they do it because it looks cool.
Of course, compromise. I mean... To a degree. Some auteurs as, sigh, Kubrick let's say, refuse to compromise, I believe the same thing went for Alfred Hitchcock and, fuck it, John Carpenter. There is something to be said for realism. Sometimes less is more. Most of the time that's true at least half of the time I feel like.
* In Carpenter's case, most of the time more is never enough.
Hm I hadn't thought of that angle
The Ghost and the Darkness, Val Kilmer. I enjoyed that movie a lot. But every time that handsome devil smiled it took me right out of 18th century Kenya and straight to 1996 LA TMZ.
they use whitening products to make thier teeth that white. i dint know people did this excessively to thier teeth. it actually damages your teeth in the end.
Maybe you should try brushing instead.
...So you get volume and lushness to your teeth.
Remind me of "what if your teeth were flaccid but got naturally hard when you were hungry" (not my joke)
I can't stop laughing. Thank you.
I also wash my teeth. Im just using regular dawn right now and my teeth are still yellow too. Maybe I need to try that citrus stuff with the grit in it.
Bruh, when you're out in the shit and get a chance to shave, you do it. If you're used to a certain length, and CANT shave, it's like #3 on the list of things you dream about when thinking about getting back to civilization. So if you're always in the shit, you'll always put it high on the list.
YOU do, maybe. In a survival situation, trust me, that is not high on the list of concerns.
Once survival has gone on for some time (depends on the person), you're going to start making a few 'comfort' decisions. Granted, I wouldn't go raid a CVS for razors but if I found a pair of scissors I might start doing a trim.
Also, hate the feeling of greasy hair, so I'm quick to cut it off or rub dirt all over it if I can't take care of it.
Absolutely, getting a shower and having soap on your body is Magical Jesus Heaven when you've been in the dirt for a longer period of time, and it's definitely an important morale motivator, actually just longing for it, so it definitely has survival value apart from basic hygiene making sure to let the body heal and not catch infections and so on...
I suppose the scope of the situation matters for what we are talking about. In a true survival situation, it's an afterthought. In anything below that it becomes proportionally more accessible and pertinent, of course.
Edit: Shit I answered twice without noticing, I just re-read your comment and had something else to say I suppose :) <3
Kind of like a dog rolling around in muck to get the smell just right. I can feel that
There is a lot to be said for morale improving things like hot showers, clipping your nails, and all of that, but they are always luxuries (valuable luxuries), though they could certainly act as motivators. When you live under duress, you find that you can actually get used to very base forms of existence, over a long time.
Edit: ah shit for some reason I can't see that Ive commented on you before so I keep doing it thinking it's a new comment. Shit, I'm gonna write a letter to the devs of this app, Eternity, I have many opinions on many of the tings.
Edit2: then again one might wonder how come I can't recognize a comment I've read three times.... Hmmm
I meant after basic survival needs have been met. Obviously food, water, shelter are more important. But humans are hard wired to feel a sense of some hygiene, though you wouldn't know it from some people.
We don't like to feel icky, for sure, but the scope for what we consider "icky" narrows a lot when we're trying to survive.
True, and a beard can be useful to break up the visual lines that the human brain identifies as a face. It'd only be a part of the overall camouflage profile, but if it's already 1/3 done for you, it's a win. But I can't stand my beard getting that long. It's like wearing a steel wool sweater to me.
Edit: not just human brain, animal brain.
The utility of facial hair is modest. It has potential for sure! But first let's have dinner.
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Love hurts
Maybe they forced her to get laser hair removal when they were messing with her. Super underrated show! I love Dirk Gently, whatever character has screen time at a given moment is my favorite character.
Sorry, which show is this? Dirk Gently's Holistic etc? Or the miniseries Dirk Gently (2012)?
I should re-watch it I guess, it's been a while. (The lady still looks familiar though)
Yep, Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency. The original books that it’s based off is written by Douglas Adams, the author of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy!
Wasn't this scene pre-messing-with, or had she previously been at the CIA facility before the show started?
She was imprisoned as a child/teen.
They always have perfectly manicured eyebrows too
100% guarantee that if she did have armpit hair some other sad bastard would be making a post commenting on it
I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to avoid showing women with body hair in media.
I'm not saying it is. Just that you can't please anybody it seems
Eh, diversity in media is more important than sexist assholes who think they have a say in how women are supposed to look.
Yes. I agree. I'm not sure why you're arguing with me about it
That user has a distinctly combative tone in general.
That's rich coming from you ;)
I'm not arguing, I was expanding on your comment.
Where was I arguing with you?
Just felt like you were
This is a site designed to support and encourage discussion and conversation between users.
I'm not arguing with you by engaging you in conversation based on the content of your comment.
Honestly, this is still an argument in favor of it, in my opinion. Those people only have their opinions because they were normalized at one point in time. If they're angry with you then you did something right, and hopefully in the next generation that opinion will be even less normalized.
Ah yes, the famous problem of making everyone happy.
Hey some people are into that!
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
ended too soon :(
Eh it's over twice the length of the original BBC one. I wouldn't have minded seeing more. But it ended at a good spot at least. Honestly surprised it lasted that long with Elijah in it post LOTR.
It was only cancelled because the showrunner got metoo’d
Maybe it was just luck that her pits are shaved. I mean her "super power" was basically just a Rube Goldeberg machine of happenstance going on around her.
I loved this series. Was amazing.
First season was over the top great.
Second season dropped off a bit but still a good watch.
Saddest ending with them setting up s3
What is it?
Dirk Gently
It'd be hotter if she didn't.
Not everybody’s armpit hair is dark black and long and curly. This is what my spouse’s armpits would look like whether they had shaved recently or not.
So your wives natural unshaved look is shaved. Yep sure there.
Let's not pretend like it's normal for the media to show women unshaved.
That has nothing to do with what I said.
The discussion isn't around the differences in people's body hair. It's about media's representation of women's bodies.
Your comment would have more of a point if it was commonplace to see unshaved women in media.
If it was common place to see unshaved women then my comment wouldn’t have made any damn sense. My comment is only relevant because there are people who don’t shave and yet still look like they do.
Anyway I just had a tangential thought: my opinion of women showing off their armpit hair is identical to how I would feel about anyone who never wipes their ass after they shit. Both equally vomit-inducing. Just my opinion.
Armpit hair isn't the equivalent of literal shit.
Need I repeat, IN MY OPINION, both armpit hair & shitty butt cracks are equally hygienically disgusting.
Only women? Not men?
The most likely reason the actress was portrayed as unshaven was because women are overwhelmingly presented as hairless in media. Not because some people have naturally light hair.
OK, nothing I have said is against that point. So your point is fuck me for adding to the conversation or what?
I already explained why I replied to your comment - the reason this actress is portrayed as hairless is because we live in a patriarchal society that has strict gender expressions for women and that includes being hairless.
I wish that the conversation could be around the differences in people's bodies instead of the media presenting a very specific image of how women are supposed to present.
I think the joke was more that she doesn't know what fruit shampoo is. She was excited to shower, she knows that bathing is even if she doesn't do it often.
Does that mean she's removing body hair? No, I get why it seems inconsistent. I do think humans have a very diverse expression of body hair and some people have barely any visible body hair even if they don't remove it.
If I want to appear hairless I need to shave daily (or more, dark hair on pale skin RIP) whereas I have friends who appear hairless on their legs and armpits unless you get really close. No, it's not from waxing or laser, it's just the texture and colour of their body hair.
I'm not trying to suggest this is definitely what is going on here and it would be nice to see a wider expression of appearances in media. Maybe then we'd get over the narrow view of "acceptable" body hair.
My ex gf never had to shave anything because she had alopecia. Looked completely normal from the neck up but from the neck down the only place she grew hair was in the crotch, and even that was thin and faint.
Her legs and pits were naturally hairless.
Maybe she uses a sharpened clamshell. That's what I heard the Native Americans used to shave. It always sounded ridiculous to me. A sharpened clam shell?
You have to trap a fresh bee in it every morning.
A clam shell is more effective than an anvil.
IDK it says BBC America, so I guess the explanation is quite simple.
It's because Americans are crazy. An having perfectly natural hair under her armpits would be unacceptably disgusting for an American audience.
While torture, killing and poor hygiene is not.
Or this actress didn’t want to grow out pit hair for a comedy show. Not everything is that deep
Make-up departments exist. It being a deliberate choice by the production makes much more sense.
It's very possible it just never came up. Especially if it's a male-run production. The male gaze just assumes a woman doesn't have pit hair, and if she doesn't think of it and bring it up, nobody does.
She probably takes her hairless pits for granted through long habit as we ll.
The rest of the job is basically rub "mud" product through her hair and all over her body. More attention paid to the face for closeups. (She's got lipstick and contouring and probably mascara as well, a "no makeup" makeup.) Should some makeup artist have thought of it and glued some hair trimmings to her pits? Yes. But while it would be easy in this scene/pose, it would be uncomfortable and easily shed during scenes where she needs to use her arms, and then you run into continuity problems. (I don't know the show but I assume she doesn't spend the whole time crucified like that)
There's probably a merkin for pits, or there could be. That would have been funny.
I just learned there's a fly, for fly fishing, called the strong arm merkin. Yes, they're furry:
Anyway “Pit Merkin” is a great metal band name, you’re fuckin’ welcome
Which goes back to the above: "Americans are crazy. having perfectly natural hair under her armpits would be unacceptably disgusting for an American"
Wouldn't want to accurately portray women's natural bodies lest they think it might be acceptable to be unshaven.
Or maybe she, the actress, prefers it, and she, the actress, didn't want to change something superficial for the show.
Personally I don't like body hair. It's coarse and irritating.
I still believe there should be more representation in media of women with body hair.
We should normalize picking what's best for each person individually and not trying to portray a certain way that women are "supposed" to look.
Funnily enough, I personally prefer body hair because it's softer than stubble. But that's my personal preference and not one I tell others that they should do just to please me. (not saying you are doing this, just putting thoughts to words).
Fiona Dourif did a fantastic job portraying Bart in this show. If being clean shaven is how they wanted to appear on screen, I think their right to do so supersedes any obligation they have to 'normalize' anything for anyone else. It certainly did not harm the performance.
I'm not criticizing their performance or their individual choices.
I'm criticizing how the media wants to portray women as completely hairless all of the time.
Natural body is a polite way of framing ungroomed. Men nor women like seeing poor hygiene. Some types of poor hygiene are seen as worse than others. Dirty hair? Sorta gross. Body hair? Disgusting.
Oh, men are supposed to shave their body hair or they’re disgusting?
I mean, I'm morally consistent on this one in that I think everyone looks better smooth. Yall can be hairy if you want though.
Thanks for recognizing the difference between personal preference and personal choice <3
I should call her…
pleeeease
If you want men to like your body, yes. Personally, I don't want that.
You sound like my dad asking why I'd date someone with tattoos because according to him tattoos are ugly.
Your personal preferences don't dictate what others like.
My husband loves my hairy body. 🤷♂️ Finding hair disgusting and unsanitary isn’t a natural state for men, it’s something you’ve been taught. Clean hair isn’t unhygienic.
Can I assume you also believe that women only want hairy men then? Because I'm pretty certain you're going to get pushback on that too.
It’s a great way to filter out men who don’t deserve access to my body.
My sex life never diminished when I stopped shaving.
For real? Did i understand you correct that for you it's worse having clean hair in armpits or on legs than unwashed hair on the head?
Do you also remove ALL of your own body hair?
It is possible to not ever cut any of your hair and still be hygienic and clean!
I wish I could permanently delete all my body hair. Laser doesn't work for me unfortunately
Natural landscape is such a hippie way of framing unpaved!
Are men with trimmed beards gross and unhygienic?
Isn't that for you to decide? I know gay men who think facial hair is disgusting. Some like it. Regardless, I don't get to tell my audience what they like, which is what you're trying to do.
I didn’t make the assertion that body hair is unhygienic.
It’s so annoying when people edit their comments after they get replies.
I know American women with armpit hair, I don’t retch when I see them
As an American woman with armpit hair, I get a lot of unsolicited comments.
It would be nice if there were more representation of adult women's bodies in media.
I’m sorry, you shouldn’t have to put up with that
What the fuck is wrong with people?
In this case? Misogyny.
People take issue when women don’t contort themselves into a socially accepted image.
Yes… Americans are to blame for the BBC show…
It was a BBC America show, which is a subsidiary of AMC Networks. I dont think it even had a British broadcast.
No Americans are to blame for what was reported about Americans. Because the report is true.
If it was false, BBC would be to blame.
Do you claim the story is false?
Wtf are you talking about
Do you make obnoxious broad generalizations about every massively diverse country on earth, or just the USA?
I don't know of any other country where it's considered a scandal if a famous woman has hair under her arms.
American audience doesn't mean everybody in that audience, Americans doesn't mean everybody either, just enough to make it an issue.
And in both cases it's more than enough to make it an issue. Because it's not just a couple of weirdos, it the mainstream media too.
So the broad generalization was made by you in your head, maybe because you felt included, why did you feel included?
Do you think hair under the arms is disgusting?
Alopecia of the armpits?
maybe she was shot with lasers that killed the roots..
Meanwhile they had to spend a huge emount of time airbrushing Ripley in Alien because she told them to fuck off with that shit.
This isn't true and didn't happen.
They nipped out the non-head hair genes during the cloning, duhhhhhhhhhhh
That was holistic shaving
I'm AMAB and I barely grow armpit hair at all. Barely a few strands. I've also never grown a beard or chest hair.
I knew it!
I think I figured out the mentality. It's Barbie dolls. They all still subconsciously want to look like a barbie doll. and this is some DEEP subconscious conditioning too. (Exception for folks with alopecia, of course)
Somebody has a kink 👆
Not everything about women has to be sexualized.
Sexualization of women x sexualization of prepuberty.
It's pedophilia. You're welcome.
Edit: Wow the downvotes came quick, please instruct yourselves.
https://ojs.stanford.edu/ojs/index.php/sjfgss/article/download/3103/1654/10396
https://ecommons.udayton.edu/stander_posters/2612/
You're not wrong.
There’s literally a comment in this thread that pointing out the hairless pits must be because OP has a hair fetish. EDIT: There’s now 2 comments sexualizing this topic.
Everything is sexualized with women’s bodies. Removing hair is not exempt from that.
Forcing actors to grow body hair in their more intimate areas should not be a virtue. That's weird and over the line and you should be ashamed.
It's a movie. It's not a realistic story and shown through a camera, not someone's real eyes. Suspend your disbelief or leave.
Right ... no need to grow it. You can just attach some fake hair.
Exactly, but even so, it's an actors job, many lose weight, gain muscle, grow hair, lose hair, all the time for the role. Such a strange thing to be angry about, let the actors decide themselves lmao. What's with the new trend of people getting offended on behalf of others?
If Christian Bale wants to make himself look like Skeletor for a role, that's his choice.
Yup, totally with you.
It's ok if they do it. It's not ok to be mad if they don't go far enough. Are you going to cripple the house actor for realisms sake?
Creating these demands and expectations is not ok.
Reading comprehension here is worse than tumblr, istg.
Thanks. Thought they said the actor should just do all the afformentioned things.
You are forgetting that acting is a job. One the actors have the freedom to decide and negotiate their terms.
It's perfectly reasonable for a character to have armpit hair, even if that personally offends you.
The actor can decide what to do with the director or whomever. You dont need to project your own opinions onto some random actor, they have their own.
Also, it is absolutely fucking okay to expect consistency in a film/show.
I don't expect them to have shaven armpits. I do not care either way. It's a weird thing to notice anyway.
Unless I'm missing a comment from the poster, I don't think there's an argument being made to force this actor to grow body hair just for this role.
Just that it's odd that they'd go through the effort in makeup to make them appear dirty and unkempt, but don't bother to include body hair. It's a common practice in makeup to add beards to men to give them a more unkempt appearance, but not armpit or leg hair on women even though most adult women grow hair in these areas.
This, and I hope that it wasn't a body hair fetish that triggered this post.
God forbid women want to be more accurately represented in media. Noooo, it has to be a fetish.
I wonder what makes people dislike body hair
Reading that far into anything sanitation posts is illadvised at best. They post like its their job.