I can't remember where I heard this or of it is true, but apparently it would have cost significantly more money to deceive the public with a fake moon landing than it would have been to fund the mission. When I think about the effort they would have put behind this ruse it makes sense as I'm sure the media was all over the event and the fakery wouldn't have been isolated to a single broadcast.
The thing is fake moon landing people are also flat earthers and shit. To them, the money isn’t the important part, it’s the hiding of some sort of special knowledge. When you say it would cost more that implies that there’s an option that costs less which is possible in the first place.
To them, there’s always another layer of justification they can add. Russia would have said something? Well, you see, the Russia/USA beef is manufactured by a secret cabal of, I dunno, Freemasons. It would have been leaked? Don’t worry, everyone involved was replaced by obidient clones.
With a good editor, some conspiracy theorists could be decent writers if they weren’t using their creativity to be insane.
I’m not sure how he was in 1969(?) but by the time he made Full Metal Jacket in the 1980s(?) he was so afraid of flying, he had palm trees brought in to England rather than shoot on location in Vietnam. Which is why all the palm trees in that movie look dead as hell. So I’m guessing he would not have gone to the moon, but would have had moon craters brought to him. Which means someone would have had to go to the moon to get them. Therefore, we went to the moon. Checkmate atheists.
Now imagine how CGI was when they flew to the moon in 1969!
The best argument against the moon landings being fake is the sheer amount of people involved in the Apollo project. Estimates go up to 400'000 people (with different levels of involvement). If it had all been fake, someone would have blabbed by now.
Actually the best argument would be that the Soviets didn’t raise holy hell about it being fake.
Apollo 11 was able to be tracked by radio the entire trip to the moon. The radio transmissions and The television broadcast was unencrypted over plain radio. I’m sure the Soviets were able to verify the entire mission in real time. If there was even a hint that the moon landing was fake, the Soviets would have been throwing it in the US’s face the instant it happened.
You don't think your conspiracies big enough. Obviously the Soviet Union was in on it, something, something New World Order. Nobody knows what's to be gained for whom, but that is what conspiracy theories are made of.
One of my favorite quotes is "The only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead", from some random western movie, but yes people love to blab.
And you cannot deny the truth of that statement. I know that quote differently, btw: "Two can keep a secret, if one of them us dead.", and I think that was from "Yes, Minister!" 😃
They're referring to Kubrick's renowned intense treatment of his actors to evoke the emotions he wants to see, particularly Shelly Duvall in The Shining, who also played Olive Oyl in the live-action Popeye movie.
He kept Shelly Duvall terrified for almost that entire movie
Most people I've brought the moon landing up to think the moon landing was fake. I usually point out a few examples to explain away the their arguments. Also I add that thinking it was fake is a huge slap in the face to all the skilled people who made it happen.
I feel like I'm going crazy. But everything I've looked up are credible sources, unlike some stupid YouTuber pointing to the the flag and saying "there's no wind on the moon, how do you explain that sheep!"
They put a fucking pole through the top of the flag to keep it straight, because they also realize there was no fucking wind. A kindergarten could work out how to do that.
The real cover-up about the flag is so much more fun. The astronauts were sworn to secrecy for decades.
Then decades later, some scientists were taking high resolution photos of the moon that weren't quite good enough to see the flags themselves but did show the shadows of them. But they couldn't see a shadow for the Apollo 11 flag, and then NASA had to come clean.
When they took off from the Moon, Buzz Aldrin saw the thrust of the spacecraft blow the flag over. When he told NASA about it in the debriefing they told him "you can never tell anyone this."
We measure the distance of the moon every month by laser, targeting a mirror array on the moon.
I watched a documentary, Behind the Curve, about flat earthers who drove to the NASA space center to explain how everything was fake. On the drive, you can clearly see them using GPS for directions in their car. They don't believe their bullshit, every flat earth influencer story has a point where they were losers and unemployed and they saw easy money in grifting simps.
Opinions of the guy aside, I recall it was Neil DeGrasse Tyson who made the argument that it simply is cheaper and easier to go to the moon than to fake it and maintain the coverup.
Like, we can't keep secrets for shit, but that's the one that stays kept?
Jurassic Park came out in 1993 (can't help but use this as a point of reference), but this does look consistent with lower budget stuff, like that Canadian cartoon Reboot. Anyone else remember that one?
The gif? That's from terminator 2, not transformers, and is an incredibly well-executed effect for the time. It's also missing the part where the actual effect happens.
That's just a psyop, NASA and the CIA were hiding some of the world's leading stable diffusion models for the time in a secret underground Data center somewhere in the Nevada desert.
They did, but for regular base operations I believe they continued to use the electric grid. Like the lighting, computers, HVAC, elevators, communications, workshops, medical equipment, etc..
Beasties in Canada. I guess they didn't like "wars" in the title of a kids show? But we got an American station too, so when we'd watch it in Ontario it'd be Beasties, and then we'd flip the channel and it'd be Beast Wars coming out of Buffalo. As far as I know everything else was the same, or at least I never noticed anything...
They did, actually yeah! And I agree it was a little weird. They had to hit the same "Oomph Oomph" pattern of Beast Wars, so it was "Bease Tees", basically. It works, it's the version that plays in my head when I think about it, but it's definitely not as natural as two short words...
As a singer, I prefer Beasties. you sing the other one Bee sTwars anyways (unless you're going especially staccatto, which they could be. haven't heard it) and i have the fat tongue syndrome
I remember when I was in kindergarten and the teacher was cool for reminding us that Beast Wars is coming up soon in couple of hours, so we could have something to look forward to going home!
Unless the t-rex was running it was a giant physical model. Likely in this shot zero to little cg was used. Hell I have the open matte version of the film where only digital shots are cropped, this one ain’t.
Additional counterpoint: granddad worked on Apollo and if it was all fake, lots of real world shit I’ve personally experienced wouldn’t make sense. Production and Design awards, call backs during Apollo 13, the secrecy etc…
Cool, since you have that version of the film I'm sure you'll be willing to share it? I've seen 2 matte versions, but none like you're describing.
You don't seem to understand what this sub is for. Since your uncle worked for Nintendo, I'm sure you know the moon landing took place a few years before OPs example of awful CGI from 1996. I argued that much better CGI existed in 1993. That's still at least two years off from the moon landing.
Everyone is making fun of people who claim it was faked. I'm glad your cousin was the King of Space. That's cool. I missed it by 3 space votes in the last space election. I'm jealous.
Honestly, while the cgi shown is trash, it really isn't all that bad considering what they had at the time for a kid's show. They were producing a 30 minute episode a week on a budget that was surely a pittance, much less than 1/4 I'm sure, of a 2 hour film that we would consider really good at the time.
I didn't mean to insult your show, I just don't see why anyone would have been watching that when way more awesome things like Gargoyles existed at the same time.
Ha! I loved beast wars, but yes, there were a great many much better shows... but also as a nerdy kid with only rabbit ears and a once every two weeks trip to the library, I watched whatever I could.
Yup, that's just the movie without the matte. Like all versions of the movie, it has the CGI scenes present. He said he has a version where those aren't there, or the scenes containing CGI are notably cropped compared to the others. I'd love to see that.
That's not just the movie without the matte. That's the exact version of the movie @[email protected] was referring to, in which the all-practical scenes appear in an open-matte square frame while the scenes containing CGI are cropped and zoomed to widescreen. Scroll to exactly 20 minutes in and keep an eye on the screen size from cut to cut.
No it isn't. Olejellylegs wrote, "the open matte version of the film where only digital shots are cropped". In this the open-matte scenes are uncropped (the editor hasn't yet removed the top and bottom of the frame to make a widescreen final shot) while the CGI scenes are cropped to widescreen (because they've been through the optical printing process to render the CGI back to film, and lost the extraneous top and bottom of the frame in that process.)
Especially back when this level of CGI was hugely expensive and laborious, when doing the digital FX shots they were only going to spend the time and money to render the widescreen area and they weren't bothering with the areas of the screen which would just get cropped off.
The moon landing is easier to think of as faked now as we only get the highlights. Landing, flag and a few bounces. The actual moonwalk was a couple hours. They where setting up stuff, getting samples. Buzz was running around for some reason. People at the time had live evidence and where able to watch it at home.The only thing they didn't have was chat distracting them and asking questions that had already been answered.
Although the researchers never found the telemetry tapes, they did discover the best visual quality NTSC videotapes as well as Super 8 movie film taken of a video monitor in Australia, showing the SSTV transmission before it was converted. These visual elements were processed in 2009, as part of a NASA-approved restoration project of the first moonwalk. At a 2009 news conference in Washington, D.C., the research team released its findings regarding the tapes' disappearance. They also partially released newly enhanced footage obtained during the search. Lowry Digital completed the full moonwalk restoration project in late 2009.
Not really, how many times have straightforward cock-ups happened with the government in your life? Large organisations fuck up constantly in mundane ways, history skews far more in favour of cock-ups than conspiracies.
Also if the moon landings were fake, the Soviets absolutely would have known and revealed it to the world.
It smells of a "Dave was ment to look after that. All our other guys are doing important stuff. How can Dave mess up flipping the tape over and putting a new one on the deck. He would have to be an idiot."
Hey hey hey, don't talk smack about Beast Wars. Hands down still one of the best damn Transformer shows out there. Writing was at least tiny bit better than G1 but what really made the show was the characters and dialogue. You don't see a lot of shows with that kind of vibe/quality anymore.
who ever said that other than some random comment on the internet the traditional narrative is that they filmed it in the desert.
filmmakers can make the most bootleg looking set resemble a real place (just ask stanley kubrick) so there's no question they coulda faked the landing in 69'.
these conspiracies always draw attention away from other thinking that's more plausible than the quackery.
maybe they faked the manned moon landing but sent an unmanned probe to the moon, which is why the soviets didn't make a fuss.
maybe the 9/11 attacks were real but the attackers were actually real guys who were persuaded to do it by some gov.
you don't get that--you get ridiculous theories involving lasers and other far out shit.
maybe they faked the manned moon landing but sent an unmanned probe to the moon, which is why the soviets didn't make a fuss.
Eh human life is expendable to the government, especially back then. If they could probe it I wouldn't be shocked if they'd send dudes up there just to say they did.
maybe the 9/11 attacks were real but the attackers were actually real guys who were persuaded to do it by some gov.
We gave em' enough reason to hate us to do it on their own but I'd buy DC saw it coming and let it happen as an excuse to pass the patriot act.
That's why NASA conveniently lost all the video footage of the moon landing event, because they know we would laugh at how fake it looks if we could see it today.
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I can't remember where I heard this or of it is true, but apparently it would have cost significantly more money to deceive the public with a fake moon landing than it would have been to fund the mission. When I think about the effort they would have put behind this ruse it makes sense as I'm sure the media was all over the event and the fakery wouldn't have been isolated to a single broadcast.
The thing is fake moon landing people are also flat earthers and shit. To them, the money isn’t the important part, it’s the hiding of some sort of special knowledge. When you say it would cost more that implies that there’s an option that costs less which is possible in the first place.
To them, there’s always another layer of justification they can add. Russia would have said something? Well, you see, the Russia/USA beef is manufactured by a secret cabal of, I dunno, Freemasons. It would have been leaked? Don’t worry, everyone involved was replaced by obidient clones.
With a good editor, some conspiracy theorists could be decent writers if they weren’t using their creativity to be insane.
Adam Ruins Everything had a similar claim.
I heard they got Stanley Kubrick to fake the landing, but he was such a stickler for accuracy he got them to actually go to the moon to film it.
Everyone talks about the fake landing but nobody ever talks about the fake sequel they released four months later
I’m not sure how he was in 1969(?) but by the time he made Full Metal Jacket in the 1980s(?) he was so afraid of flying, he had palm trees brought in to England rather than shoot on location in Vietnam. Which is why all the palm trees in that movie look dead as hell. So I’m guessing he would not have gone to the moon, but would have had moon craters brought to him. Which means someone would have had to go to the moon to get them. Therefore, we went to the moon. Checkmate atheists.
Or it was his Moon travels which made him hate travel. Either one works for me.
Should have waited a few decades, after this summer I'm sure Britain can support palm trees!
Consider my mind thoroughly boggled
Alright, I've noted you down as boggled 👍
This is one of my fave images of all time
A kiwi bird using a parachute??? Holy fuck, how did they do it?!?
They just strapped a parachute to a real kiwi, chucked it out of a plane and took a photo
CGI in 1988.
Now imagine how CGI was when they flew to the moon in 1969!
The best argument against the moon landings being fake is the sheer amount of people involved in the Apollo project. Estimates go up to 400'000 people (with different levels of involvement). If it had all been fake, someone would have blabbed by now.
Actually the best argument would be that the Soviets didn’t raise holy hell about it being fake.
Apollo 11 was able to be tracked by radio the entire trip to the moon. The radio transmissions and The television broadcast was unencrypted over plain radio. I’m sure the Soviets were able to verify the entire mission in real time. If there was even a hint that the moon landing was fake, the Soviets would have been throwing it in the US’s face the instant it happened.
You don't think your conspiracies big enough. Obviously the Soviet Union was in on it, something, something New World Order. Nobody knows what's to be gained for whom, but that is what conspiracy theories are made of.
This kills me the most. Most nations can't agree on taxes or land boundaries or hundreds of other things, but they agree on space. Sure. That tracks.
Soviet probes were on the surface the same week Apollo 11 landed.
That is one of the other verifications, indeed.
One of my favorite quotes is "The only way three people can keep a secret is if two of them are dead", from some random western movie, but yes people love to blab.
And you cannot deny the truth of that statement. I know that quote differently, btw: "Two can keep a secret, if one of them us dead.", and I think that was from "Yes, Minister!" 😃
But someone has blabbed, why do you think it's a conspiracy /s
They could basically just draw unshaded geometric shapes back then lmao
Special effects in late 60s:
2001: A Space Odyssey has very good effects
Of course it does. It's made by that guy who faked the moon landing and then beat up Olive Oyl
Wait what’s the Olive Oyl story?
They're referring to Kubrick's renowned intense treatment of his actors to evoke the emotions he wants to see, particularly Shelly Duvall in The Shining, who also played Olive Oyl in the live-action Popeye movie.
He kept Shelly Duvall terrified for almost that entire movie
Bluto?
dude you just ain't seen many aliens
They wanted to fake a moon landing and after analyzing cost they concluded that the cheapest option was to film on location.
After the big rocket the costs were mostly catering
mmm, tang...
CGI in 1982 was better:
Most people I've brought the moon landing up to think the moon landing was fake. I usually point out a few examples to explain away the their arguments. Also I add that thinking it was fake is a huge slap in the face to all the skilled people who made it happen.
I feel like I'm going crazy. But everything I've looked up are credible sources, unlike some stupid YouTuber pointing to the the flag and saying "there's no wind on the moon, how do you explain that sheep!"
They put a fucking pole through the top of the flag to keep it straight, because they also realize there was no fucking wind. A kindergarten could work out how to do that.
The real cover-up about the flag is so much more fun. The astronauts were sworn to secrecy for decades.
Then decades later, some scientists were taking high resolution photos of the moon that weren't quite good enough to see the flags themselves but did show the shadows of them. But they couldn't see a shadow for the Apollo 11 flag, and then NASA had to come clean.
When they took off from the Moon, Buzz Aldrin saw the thrust of the spacecraft blow the flag over. When he told NASA about it in the debriefing they told him "you can never tell anyone this."
We measure the distance of the moon every month by laser, targeting a mirror array on the moon.
I watched a documentary, Behind the Curve, about flat earthers who drove to the NASA space center to explain how everything was fake. On the drive, you can clearly see them using GPS for directions in their car. They don't believe their bullshit, every flat earth influencer story has a point where they were losers and unemployed and they saw easy money in grifting simps.
Best argument I've heard is that the Soviets never denied it happened. Same with the nazis and the Holocaust.
Opinions of the guy aside, I recall it was Neil DeGrasse Tyson who made the argument that it simply is cheaper and easier to go to the moon than to fake it and maintain the coverup.
Like, we can't keep secrets for shit, but that's the one that stays kept?
They are already claiming that the Artemis mission was fake due to cuts between the camera shots on the livestream ಥ_ಥ
but artemis was fake. it didn't grow on a tree. we had to build it.
unless someone can show me a damn rocket what goes to the moon tree
But it didn't stay kept. We're talking about it now and it's synonymous with famous conspiracy theories.
The whole thing was a PR exercise to get one over on the Russians. Why not spend 5% more for a backup strategy to "document" the event
CGI in 1991:
Jurassic Park came out in 1993 (can't help but use this as a point of reference), but this does look consistent with lower budget stuff, like that Canadian cartoon Reboot. Anyone else remember that one?
It's not that it's low budget, it's that it was fully CGI. It was a pioneer in 3d animation.
Also this is from Transformers and it is from the same Vancouver studio.
The gif? That's from terminator 2, not transformers, and is an incredibly well-executed effect for the time. It's also missing the part where the actual effect happens.
The OP is from Transformers Beastwars.
yeah, when Coptimus Prime pushes his way into the cell
I tried to find a gif of that, but it was oddly hard to find.
Reboot was great. Captain capacitor retired to run a torrent site.
That's just a psyop, NASA and the CIA were hiding some of the world's leading stable diffusion models for the time in a secret underground Data center somewhere in the Nevada desert.
I thought that was under Cheyenne Mountain?
No, you’re probably thinking of the Stargate project.
But I thought the Stargate project was the US government's current big AI thing?
That’s to divert our attention from the actual Stargate project, which demands an immense amount of energy.
But I thought that THAT Stargate project had its own naquadah and naquadriah based generators for decades now?
They did, but for regular base operations I believe they continued to use the electric grid. Like the lighting, computers, HVAC, elevators, communications, workshops, medical equipment, etc..
I don't think so, I mean, it cost $2bn just to turn the lights on at that place! And that was 1995 2 billion, not hyperinflated 2026 2 billion!
The Moon landing was staged, but Kubrick insisted on shooting on location.
I don't think it was fake at all, but I don't think I've ever heard a denier say it was cgi. They say it's a stage.
on the moon
I have had some sucess pointing out the USSR was tracking it and would love nothing more than to call out the US if they had faked it.
Am I a joke to you?!
🦅🔥BEAST WARS🔥🦖
Beasties in Canada. I guess they didn't like "wars" in the title of a kids show? But we got an American station too, so when we'd watch it in Ontario it'd be Beasties, and then we'd flip the channel and it'd be Beast Wars coming out of Buffalo. As far as I know everything else was the same, or at least I never noticed anything...
Did they change the name in the intro song as well? Beasties just doesn't sounds as cool.
They did, actually yeah! And I agree it was a little weird. They had to hit the same "Oomph Oomph" pattern of Beast Wars, so it was "Bease Tees", basically. It works, it's the version that plays in my head when I think about it, but it's definitely not as natural as two short words...
As a singer, I prefer Beasties. you sing the other one Bee sTwars anyways (unless you're going especially staccatto, which they could be. haven't heard it) and i have the fat tongue syndrome
What is a warrior without a weapon?
Actually the second moon turned out not to be a moon at all, it was a red herring and it was Earth All Along
So what you're saying is they not only faked the moon landing, they also kept these amazing computer graphics from us gamers all this time?
Truly monstrous.
They had thousands of women in offices ray tracing with pencils and paper.
I remember when I was in kindergarten and the teacher was cool for reminding us that Beast Wars is coming up soon in couple of hours, so we could have something to look forward to going home!
Counter point - Actually good CGI in 1993:
The entire moon is just CGI. Prove me wrong, go there and live stream from the moon to show you can really stand on it. I bet you won't.
I think you’re wrong.
Unless the t-rex was running it was a giant physical model. Likely in this shot zero to little cg was used. Hell I have the open matte version of the film where only digital shots are cropped, this one ain’t.
Additional counterpoint: granddad worked on Apollo and if it was all fake, lots of real world shit I’ve personally experienced wouldn’t make sense. Production and Design awards, call backs during Apollo 13, the secrecy etc…
Cool, since you have that version of the film I'm sure you'll be willing to share it? I've seen 2 matte versions, but none like you're describing.
You don't seem to understand what this sub is for. Since your uncle worked for Nintendo, I'm sure you know the moon landing took place a few years before OPs example of awful CGI from 1996. I argued that much better CGI existed in 1993. That's still at least two years off from the moon landing.
Everyone is making fun of people who claim it was faked. I'm glad your cousin was the King of Space. That's cool. I missed it by 3 space votes in the last space election. I'm jealous.
Honestly, while the cgi shown is trash, it really isn't all that bad considering what they had at the time for a kid's show. They were producing a 30 minute episode a week on a budget that was surely a pittance, much less than 1/4 I'm sure, of a 2 hour film that we would consider really good at the time.
I didn't mean to insult your show, I just don't see why anyone would have been watching that when way more awesome things like Gargoyles existed at the same time.
Ha! I loved beast wars, but yes, there were a great many much better shows... but also as a nerdy kid with only rabbit ears and a once every two weeks trip to the library, I watched whatever I could.
God damn, there's way too many people in here disrespecting Gargoyles. I watched that on ABC, we didn't have those fancy rabbit eats. :)
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Yup, that's just the movie without the matte. Like all versions of the movie, it has the CGI scenes present. He said he has a version where those aren't there, or the scenes containing CGI are notably cropped compared to the others. I'd love to see that.
That's not just the movie without the matte. That's the exact version of the movie @[email protected] was referring to, in which the all-practical scenes appear in an open-matte square frame while the scenes containing CGI are cropped and zoomed to widescreen. Scroll to exactly 20 minutes in and keep an eye on the screen size from cut to cut.
It's the inverse of his description, though.
No it isn't. Olejellylegs wrote, "the open matte version of the film where only digital shots are cropped". In this the open-matte scenes are uncropped (the editor hasn't yet removed the top and bottom of the frame to make a widescreen final shot) while the CGI scenes are cropped to widescreen (because they've been through the optical printing process to render the CGI back to film, and lost the extraneous top and bottom of the frame in that process.)
Especially back when this level of CGI was hugely expensive and laborious, when doing the digital FX shots they were only going to spend the time and money to render the widescreen area and they weren't bothering with the areas of the screen which would just get cropped off.
If dino DNA existed in amber mosquitos in 93, I wonder if cloning or CGI would've been cheaper
I came for transforming monke robots, but what I got was the most kino character death out of all children's cartoons.
Yes but the government had much better CGI that wasn't available to the public yet, duh
/s obligatory
Whole USA is fake. Columbus never discovered new continent he just faked it for money
The moon landing is easier to think of as faked now as we only get the highlights. Landing, flag and a few bounces. The actual moonwalk was a couple hours. They where setting up stuff, getting samples. Buzz was running around for some reason. People at the time had live evidence and where able to watch it at home.The only thing they didn't have was chat distracting them and asking questions that had already been answered.
which one had the charlie browns?
Losing all the telemetry data of the landing is super suspicious
Video is a small part of the telemetry.
Not really, how many times have straightforward cock-ups happened with the government in your life? Large organisations fuck up constantly in mundane ways, history skews far more in favour of cock-ups than conspiracies.
Also if the moon landings were fake, the Soviets absolutely would have known and revealed it to the world.
Cockups happen all the time, but not on mankinds most impressive achievement.
I'm not saying the landings were fake. I'm suggesting the "live" telemetry was.
It smells of a "Dave was ment to look after that. All our other guys are doing important stuff. How can Dave mess up flipping the tape over and putting a new one on the deck. He would have to be an idiot."
Hey hey hey, don't talk smack about Beast Wars. Hands down still one of the best damn Transformer shows out there. Writing was at least tiny bit better than G1 but what really made the show was the characters and dialogue. You don't see a lot of shows with that kind of vibe/quality anymore.
Lol, people still believe in the moon.
MAXIMIZE !!
TERRORIZE !!
then there was Waspinator: Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
I can only assume you meant faking the moon landing was, like this shit, rad as hell!
People are strange
when you're a stranger
who ever said that other than some random comment on the internet the traditional narrative is that they filmed it in the desert.
filmmakers can make the most bootleg looking set resemble a real place (just ask stanley kubrick) so there's no question they coulda faked the landing in 69'.
these conspiracies always draw attention away from other thinking that's more plausible than the quackery.
maybe they faked the manned moon landing but sent an unmanned probe to the moon, which is why the soviets didn't make a fuss.
maybe the 9/11 attacks were real but the attackers were actually real guys who were persuaded to do it by some gov.
you don't get that--you get ridiculous theories involving lasers and other far out shit.
Eh human life is expendable to the government, especially back then. If they could probe it I wouldn't be shocked if they'd send dudes up there just to say they did.
We gave em' enough reason to hate us to do it on their own but I'd buy DC saw it coming and let it happen as an excuse to pass the patriot act.
I feel like you're not very familiar with conspiracy/alternative theories.
That's why NASA conveniently lost all the video footage of the moon landing event, because they know we would laugh at how fake it looks if we could see it today.
It's all on YouTube, bud.
https://youtu.be/cwZb2mqId0A
Are these 3 dots real or CGI?
if you reeeaaaally zoom in, you can see it's actually Epstein's and Trump's faces, along the 👌 emoji
Hollywood and the military are like peas and carrots. Not saying the moon landing was real or not.