GrapheneOS: The initial devices with GrapheneOS support should be available in 2027. The initial devices will be flagships so they'll be higher end hardware than Pixels at a higher price.
And I want WAY more people using Graphene. I want a 'herd immunity' effect where we can starve the virus that is unlawful state surveillance. That won't happen if truly affordable devices aren't available.
Yea, have 120Hz on my Desktop Monitor since 2016 and am now stuck with it myself, weirdly enough I still don't miss it on my phone as my brain just does not expect it there.
You probably could trick your brain and just reduce it 1Hz at a time?
My dream phone would be similar, but with 5G and the usual larger size (imo the tradeoff is worth it in my case).
It would also have a silicon carbon battery to have the huge capacity, and most importantly a CPU limiter in the OS to stop it from eating up power by constantly turboing.
Have the Pixel 3A which gets pretty close. Does not have swappable Storage and only the latest security patches as there are still, what feels like, two random people backporting security patches as its not officially supported by LineageOS. Not sure how long that will last.
Which ones exactly? And are they bad things to lack rather than minor preferences? I'm pretty sure it has both the front and back camera, so I guess it doesn't meet the one camera priority.
maybe it's the headphone jack? is that really important?
Yeah, especially for modern phones. What good does the more powerful hardware do me? I don't do anything on my phone where I need more processing power. A higher quality screen is nice, but all modern phones have screens that are of a high enough resolution to not matter. Just give it a larger battery and I'm good.
Had the same thought for the first time reading this post. It would be so damn cool! I am currently testing an e-ink device and it is much closer to what I would want. Will look into rooting it soon. But it is certainly not a daily driver, just fiddling around and enjoying a screen that becomes more viewable, the more sun you let shine on it. On the other hand the OLED screens deliver such a great dark black that they are more suitable for night readers.
What are you playing with? I’m rocking a Viwoods myself and it’s pretty great, I wish I could get the backlight to be warmer light.
I’m back and forth still on OLED, it’s so vibrant and beautiful it’s almost too powerful if that makes sense. That said, the new minimal phone and the light phone 3 seem to be embracing it with some success
Currently a Boox. They have a temperature slider. I am actually testing different e-ink devices from different manufacturers. OLED is shit in the bright sunlight, compared to e-ink. It's my favorite thing to do with e-ink: reading outside. Really has the kind of paper characteristics to it.
That seems concerning, considering I haven't seen Motorola make a "flagship" phone in years, and the newest Pixel historically hasn't exactly been a "cheap" phone (like Motorola normally makes). It seems like they are just prepping the public for it to be scary expensive. :/
So they are preparing us to pay higher prices than one of the most popular phone companies flagship phones? Sounds like it's already bound to fail. Not many people are willing to pay more while they can get pixel for less and flash grapheneos.
Early adopter here. I am here to tell you that your assumption is wrong. I will happily pay a higher price than for a same-spec pixel and even help with the development in my free time. Most important precondition is that it holds everything up to the highest possible standards. Good things cost, that's how the system works. And good things are scarce ...
First versions are almost never good. And even if it was by some miracle, the only high standard is security and privacy here. In all other ways it will be worse than Samsung, Google, Apple, and I am not even going to name chinese phones. So I hope I am wrong, but if I am not, I hope they survive long enough to produce something not only die hard fans will buy.
It's not a first for Motorola, neither for Graphene devs. We'll see how they'll perform! There is always the last resort of just dumping the "smart"phone alltogether.
Im OOTL on this one. Am I reading this right; GraphineOS is pushing out their own devices, pre-loaded with GraphineOS? Or just 'GraphineOS ready' devices, with some generic Android preinstalled?
They've partnered with Motorola to make phones officially compatible with GrapheneOS, we apparently don't know yet if the phones will come preinstalled with it tho
Oh for sure, no debate I hate google I just mean saying this isnt a great look. Pixels are not a great phone. They are only flagship because they have been said to be one.
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We need CHEAPER GrapheneOS phones, not more expensive!
If I'm reading the thread correctly, it seems to be Qualcomm that's gating the security features GOS requires in high end SoCs.
No I want flagship
And I want WAY more people using Graphene. I want a 'herd immunity' effect where we can starve the virus that is unlawful state surveillance. That won't happen if truly affordable devices aren't available.
Unless maps and pay work people wont switch to it.
Me too, but sure when it's profitable for them they coud very well release more affordable devices too.
Get used pixel. They are cheap
I guess Im the only one who would prefer cheaper phones. Midrange with a jack is far more appealing to me than some flagship.
I think, they reason they did this is because the only chip rn beside tensor that is compliant with what standards graphene has is 8 elite gen 5.
Totally with you. For me a perfect phone consists of:
I just want phones to last longer than a day again :(
I disagree with this one
You'll need to upgrade again if/when the network support changes. I'd prefer that it was future proofed
I do not worry about that: I live in Germany. I'll be long dead before anything changes around here 👍
Too late for me. My current phone has 165 Hz (Motorola Edge 40 Pro) and I don't want to go back to a mere 120, let alone 60.
Yea, have 120Hz on my Desktop Monitor since 2016 and am now stuck with it myself, weirdly enough I still don't miss it on my phone as my brain just does not expect it there.
You probably could trick your brain and just reduce it 1Hz at a time?
My dream phone would be similar, but with 5G and the usual larger size (imo the tradeoff is worth it in my case).
It would also have a silicon carbon battery to have the huge capacity, and most importantly a CPU limiter in the OS to stop it from eating up power by constantly turboing.
You will never get a phone likes this.
Way to ruin somebodies hopes and dreams. :(((
Have the Pixel 3A which gets pretty close. Does not have swappable Storage and only the latest security patches as there are still, what feels like, two random people backporting security patches as its not officially supported by LineageOS. Not sure how long that will last.
Sorry I meant as a new phone
...Unless you go for Fairphone 6 Plus.
There are multiple points which the FP6+ does not meet.
Which ones exactly? And are they bad things to lack rather than minor preferences? I'm pretty sure it has both the front and back camera, so I guess it doesn't meet the one camera priority.
maybe it's the headphone jack? is that really important?
Yeah, especially for modern phones. What good does the more powerful hardware do me? I don't do anything on my phone where I need more processing power. A higher quality screen is nice, but all modern phones have screens that are of a high enough resolution to not matter. Just give it a larger battery and I'm good.
I was thinking last night about how i’d like to have a GrapheneOS e-ink phone.
It would be cool to have a device that’s private and has my favorite type of screen.
Had the same thought for the first time reading this post. It would be so damn cool! I am currently testing an e-ink device and it is much closer to what I would want. Will look into rooting it soon. But it is certainly not a daily driver, just fiddling around and enjoying a screen that becomes more viewable, the more sun you let shine on it. On the other hand the OLED screens deliver such a great dark black that they are more suitable for night readers.
What are you playing with? I’m rocking a Viwoods myself and it’s pretty great, I wish I could get the backlight to be warmer light.
I’m back and forth still on OLED, it’s so vibrant and beautiful it’s almost too powerful if that makes sense. That said, the new minimal phone and the light phone 3 seem to be embracing it with some success
Currently a Boox. They have a temperature slider. I am actually testing different e-ink devices from different manufacturers. OLED is shit in the bright sunlight, compared to e-ink. It's my favorite thing to do with e-ink: reading outside. Really has the kind of paper characteristics to it.
That seems concerning, considering I haven't seen Motorola make a "flagship" phone in years, and the newest Pixel historically hasn't exactly been a "cheap" phone (like Motorola normally makes). It seems like they are just prepping the public for it to be scary expensive. :/
Exactly. They need to make it cheaper so it becomes popular first, not prepare us for shocking price.
don't they have their signature series,
I am using a Moto Razr 50u flip, and the have Fold phones as well.
let down by the years of support. I am. surprised Google. doesn't lean on them. about no Graphene phones though
So they are preparing us to pay higher prices than one of the most popular phone companies flagship phones? Sounds like it's already bound to fail. Not many people are willing to pay more while they can get pixel for less and flash grapheneos.
Eh ill do it. Fuck google
I'll do it years from now after my Pixel 8 isn't viable anymore, I already own it anyways.
Honestly, yeah. I'm down. As long as it's good quality.
It will be motorolla quality. So not bad I think
Early adopter here. I am here to tell you that your assumption is wrong. I will happily pay a higher price than for a same-spec pixel and even help with the development in my free time. Most important precondition is that it holds everything up to the highest possible standards. Good things cost, that's how the system works. And good things are scarce ...
First versions are almost never good. And even if it was by some miracle, the only high standard is security and privacy here. In all other ways it will be worse than Samsung, Google, Apple, and I am not even going to name chinese phones. So I hope I am wrong, but if I am not, I hope they survive long enough to produce something not only die hard fans will buy.
It's not a first for Motorola, neither for Graphene devs. We'll see how they'll perform! There is always the last resort of just dumping the "smart"phone alltogether.
Im OOTL on this one. Am I reading this right; GraphineOS is pushing out their own devices, pre-loaded with GraphineOS? Or just 'GraphineOS ready' devices, with some generic Android preinstalled?
They've partnered with Motorola to make phones officially compatible with GrapheneOS, we apparently don't know yet if the phones will come preinstalled with it tho
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/08/motorolas-grapheneos-phones-will-launch-in-2027-priced-higher-than-pixels/
That's going to last all of 8 months, I bet.
Yes, they're partnering with Motorola I believe to bring devices that come with Graphene out of the box
Not out of the box, but fully supported: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2026/08/motorolas-grapheneos-phones-will-launch-in-2027-priced-higher-than-pixels/
I mean, yeah? Thats what out of the box means. Motorola will ship the phone with GraoheneOS, so they will also support it
Motorola will not ship the phone with grapheneOS. In the linked article:
bad news is lenovo overprices phones. good news is most of them get cheap fast cause noone buys them.
The only bad news - none of them are sold in US - otherwise I would buy it
I am on a Lenovo phone right now, purchased in the US of A. Motorola is owned by Lenovo, so I'm just saying I have a Motorola
Take the AI out of a pixel and what have we got? A secure mid range phone.
What is this going to do better than a flagship?
Yeah but pixels are actively fucking with sources for pixels now.
You also can't trust Google not backdooring hardware.
Oh for sure, no debate I hate google I just mean saying this isnt a great look. Pixels are not a great phone. They are only flagship because they have been said to be one.
Im not going to be able to get friends and family to make the switch then. My next device will probably be another refurbished Pixel.
Good news
Cautiously optimistic. I can sense a faint glow radiating off of those phones. Or I might just be imagining things...
I’m hopeful as well. What bit glows?
Yeah I like that