Yeah, you need a new job. This is also my current job for not enough pay. You're getting shafted.
With that being said, this isn't really 3 jobs like the post implies. If you've worked with data integrations before, you know how SQL, APIs and cloud solutions interact.
A German three letter agency had a similar ad. They were looking for someone who was proficient in encryption, hacking, protocols on Windows, Mac and Linux, and a few other things in that area. Experienced both in programming and leadership. And as a cherry on the top, this person would have to have knowledge about all the legal aspects of all of this, too.
All for a midrange bureaucrat salary. A security expert commented on this something like "if i had someone with that kind of skill set and experience, I would hire him out for a daily fee about as high as their offered monthly salary."
Many years ago I got offered 20% over minimum wage to manage, among other things, all email servers of a large banking association representing >90% of a national market.
It was less than what a Tesco cashier was making in the area.
When I was a student, I already had my Novell admin certificate, so it got some jobs on the side. Someone pointed me to a law firm where the owner wanted their PCs networked. We met, he showed me the list of hardware he wanted to buy - everything top notch, big server, new PCs with all bells, whistles and gongs back then, 19in rack for all the necessities, etc. That list was an offer from an expensive office outfitter he knew.
He "just" needed someone to install the stuff. I could easily have done that, but all he offered was a kind of internship. Oh what I could learn from working with top of the pop equipment! I told him I was here because it already knew everything that was needed. He then offered me that I could take the old PCs as "compensation".
I left, and warned others not to waste time with that idiot.
And people still get mad when we give honest feedback about compensation.
Shout-out to the recruiter who tried to convince me to take a 60k paycut because nobody will pay my current rate ( the one I was already being paid ). I strive to reach your level of audacity one day.
Am I crazy that those sound reasonable IT manager level things? If company size is 100-200 endpoints, the IT manager should understand all of these, if he/she doesn't, I would not want to work at that IT team
I've worked at places with <50 people where the 2 IT people had "manager" titles, but they were just "the IT people" in practice - one handled user stuff, the other was focused on the client-facing infrastructure.
Our lone HR person was also the "HR manager", we had a single "accounting manager", and a couple more like that. Some departments ended up expanding and the "managers" did end up with direct reports, but that's kinda just how small businesses work, this posting sounds a lot like that.
"Manager" in this context generally doesn't mean someone who has people reporting to them, it means someone who manages the IT. It can absolutely be an early-career role. See also: equipment manager, facilities manager etc.
There’s not enough hours in day to do all those tasks that this will entail. You’ll constantly be dragged between different domains nd have no time to focus on anything
Source: I’ve done this job before. Company wasn’t even big either. Just 30 people or so
You're not crazy, it's just that posts like this are generally tribal. Nobody here actually knows what the day-to-day of that job is, they just want a pretext to vent about their own experiences of being asked to do work that they didn't want to do.
also potentially unpopular opinion: I've encountered about as many engineers over the years that were under-skilled for their positions, than ones who were competent. Whenever I see posters whine about how unreasonable the requirements for a job posting is, I always instinctively read it in one of the former's voices...
Exactly. Company makes doors, by hand. 10 employees total and 2 computers. Easiest job you've ever had and you actually feel guilty every time they pay you for the first few months.
The funny thing about jobs is that demand for the job tends to scale with pay. Of all the IT positions in an office, the guy fixing the printers is probably earning the least.
My job in data analytics occasionally involves pulling printing volume data. Does that count as "anything to do with printers"?
Because fuck trying to aggregate by printer location when the location string is manually entered by humans with different "standards" and varying adherence even to their stated standard.
Our client is a large Law Firm in Los Angeles (Sherman Oaks Area) that is looking to hire a talented IT Manager. They have an excellent culture and do a great job at retaining their staff long-term. This person MUST live in LA and be willing to be on site!!
Though it's not an IT company so their IT department may very well be like 2 or 3 people
Honestly, this is what we currently have at our mid sized company. We get paid dogshit, nobody has a dedicated position we're just all "IT" and we do everything to keep shit running
Yeah I was gonna say. I didn't understand what people were complaining about, that's loads of money to me. I know stuff's more expensive in the US but it's not that much more expensive that 100k isn't an insane amount of money to live off.
You have to have so much more reserves in the US because of the broken health care system, and the car dependence. I live in Germany and my wife and I were thinking about how much more we'd need to save and we found out that we didn't need that much. Healthcare is basically free, we don't have a car, we had enough for a new set of appliances and months of rent. All that with about a half of that salary. But in the US you can easily go broke with that amount of money if you get sick or have car troubles. Also depending on the state poor job security.
100k/12≈8k, including taxes, after taxes idk depends where you live. My rent is the majority of my income, and I make much less than that, so the absolute amount of money I have after paying for things like rent and utilities, to spend on food, is much less too, even if we assume the same % of income going to rent. Again I'm not saying things aren't more expensive in the US, but it is still a lot of money. You aren't going to be struggling financially. My friends in the US make much less than that. Maybe you'd be less well-off than peers who do the same job, but I hope you realise that for a lot of people elsewhere in the world, that'd be 3 salaries already.
Yeah its not a bad pay, my wife makes close to that amount, I make less and we were able to buy a house after we split the mortgage with her parents, instead of them renting, and us renting, we teamed up and split the house.
we are comfortable just a bit cramped. We converted the garage to a kitchen/ living room and we get one bedroom. In laws with their kids get three rooms and the living room and kitchen.
now we just have to deal with the two hour commute a day, my job offers free ev charging so that saves us about $500 a month we used to spend on gas.
We could, but not for the same pay. For example my wife is a teacher if she switches to a local school the salary is 20k less. Another big thing is my job doesn't have a set schedule so when we all commute together I'm not really in a rush as long as she gets there on time. And my parents live right by her school so we can drop off our kid, then I drop her off, and my job is like 15 minutes further so it kind of just works.
When she's on summer break I can go to work earlier like 5 or 6am and avoid traffic which cuts the commute in half
You aren't going to get close to that amount per month after taxes and health care. Its definitely not minimum wage, its around a teacher salary, or entry level office worker
TBF I am offering 40k to hire someone who should do frontend, backend, GPU shader optimization, database design optimization and API design.
I have been told this requires a full team of experts. I am not a software engineer, I took the time to study and this is what I've been doing the past 4 years. This person will earn more than I do.
I worked a short stint as a network administrator for a company I did not like at all. I figured it'd be a foot in the door, but boy was I wrong. I didn't last 6 months, I was doing work of a network tech, network admin, security tech for door locks and cameras, a custodian, and general computer tech in all that. It was a VASTLY underpaid position for the work.
Would be an OK salary for most of Europe. Most countries here have relatively solid health care insurance, affordable education and a pension fund included, so that some of the biggest costs of living in the US don't even make a dent in the salary.
But you have a functional social safety net, insurance and retirement covered with your taxes.
We don't and is horribly expensive to fork $24K a year to have access to health with a $7K deductible while thinking that if you get fired the equivalent of UB pay is $226/wk after you present substantiation to the state that you're trying to get work.
On top of that insurance is tied to employment and that heavily influences work mobility and care as if anyone gets anything catastrophic loses the job, the insurance and all your savings.
I grew up in poverty, I know what this social safety net looked like 20 years ago. It's been hollowed out by a decade of alt-right governance since. They've pushed the non-white welfare king/queen narrative hard.
Living on subsistence minimum isn't really a comfortable life. You have to constantly apply for it and get scrutinised, and sometimes you get automatically denied because the government has applied a quota that försäkringskassan has to fill; it's luck of the draw.
It's certainly not something I'd ever view as a nice stress-free fallback to recover from, it's a full-time job in and of itself, and that's not counting the critique you have to put up with from society for using the system as it is intended.
insurance and retirement covered with your taxes.
Ish. Current retirees are covered by current taxpayers. My retirement will be covered by future taxpayers. This has lead to the retirement age being bumped up a couple of times the past few years, because there's not enough taxes coming in to cover retirement. I don't expect to ever actually retire.
The average pension income currently is 16400 crowns a month before taxes. My rent is 8.4k and it goes up with several hundred a year. Pensions generally remain fairly static.
By insurance I guess you mean healthcare. This is largely true, we have a high-cost protection, and that includes visits so if you buy enough meds or visit the doctors enough each year, the high cost protection kicks in, it's currently at approximately 3000 crowns.
My a-kassa isn't free, nor is it tax funded. I personally pay for that on a monthly basis. It's also tied to you looking for work.
There are upsides and downsides to everything. Things get bad here, too.
Yeah. I mean I'm grateful I struggle with things here, because I've seen what it can look like in the U.S. - visited a dear friend in 2019, and despite having two people work four jobs they still couldn't really make ends meet. It's heartwrenching.
Struggle is always struggle. I hope things improve for all of us.
Sounds like my job at a small full-house IT company. We did anything IT related the customer wanted. We got paid $1.2k by a rich guy to fix his son's Roblox account once.
I saw similar when looking for work as a graphic designer, with duties that can be summarised as "design our printed materials, build our website (with JavaScript knowledge required), and also plan our marketing strategy".
Then when I mentioned this in a Clients from Hell comment section, I got someone defend the practice with that small companies can't afford to hire separate people for the 3 separate skillsets...
I usually reply to shit job offers and tell them why it’s shit.
Even when I’m not interested in the job, if it’s anything but full time work from home I’ll let them know I’m only considering ft wfh so that they either raise their offer or reconsider their in-office requirement for the next person that’s actually interested.
this sounds... entirely reasonable? like, had it not been in california that's about what i expect a position with those responsibilities to pay. the median income here is just below $40k a year and for an it manager these are all completely expected skills. i don't get it.
You probably don't live in America or are underpaid with all this remote work out there.
There's bottom of the barrel for any tech management. Our jira pencil pushers get 130-50..
Staff engineers with actual technical skill clear 200.
There is also the fact that you can tell your actually working 50 hours a week from this post if you read between the lines. Most of my tech friends and myself are doing a solid 25 hours of real work and jiggling the mouse from home for the rest.
Similar here. I'm in the US but not one of the wealthy states or tech havens. I've got 8 years of cloud admin and integrations development and make about $85k/yr (70k Eur?). I'm one of the best paid people I know I my area.
I don't get it. Everyone in IT is screaming about the employment crisis. I have a friend who can't even get a job that pays 40k € with a Bachelor's in CS and two years of semi-relevant experience. Are things really that much better in the US that you can get paid over 200k for a job similar to the one in the OP?
Like, I have a similar amount of responsibilities to the OP and closing in on a decade of experience, get paid in your "jira pencil pusher" range and yet consider myself lucky compared to my friends in IT. Granted this is remote work in europe with interesting technical work and open-source aspects, but still...
There's largely still above average working conditions for the people that do land a job in tech, but right now the job security is rather low.
The thing is, if you're managing an important project. The companies want to pay extra, to ensure they're having decent people hired and have their time if something breaks out of hours.
But remote hirers, do also factor regional factors into account. Most US companies okay with remote workers, will have payranges per state. Most European companies, have at least pay ranges per country. You're getting paid more in Denmark than you'd be in Hungary as an example. To account for cost of living as well as local competition
A company that values it's tech workers and that has a decent salary will write a better post, then have you work 3 jobs, because they'll have other decent tech managers to write it.
This post was written by HR at after a Google post for "good it manager skills' for a cfo who doesn't understand a word and just wants it done for cheap.
Younger cs students are just fucked BTW. Despite the screeches AI bad, it's not. It is eating up junior coding jobs and I'm not sure what to say to them or about how new people will learn to code when I have as many agents as I can muster up in my brains context. From a pure velocity perspective there is just no way to compete. I'd never choose, training a junior dev over AI even in it's current state. It's just not efficient to train someone to hand code and learn about what will break, who is going to do stupid shit, architecture, etc. but you don't learn it well being an operator.
i'd disagree on the first one, that's just par for the course here. and 90k is senior staff engineer territory here. that puts you in the 99.9th percentile.
Listen, if you meet the requirements for this job your entire resume is just a link to your wikipedia page. This is a hilariously, bafflingly out of touch posting.
A lot of it is vaguely described. I could probably apply and argue I meet all of these as it depends on what level of experience they really want.
Communication skills - whatever, many jobs asks for this.
Data migration and APIs - HR don't know what an API is but I have setup software that uses them and I can copy data from a server easily with rsync.
SQL - I passed a SQL test in an interview despite having never used or seen it. Only had some HTML, CSS and bash from a few home projects. Now used SQL a fair bit.
Cloud - yep, used GCP to run a factorio server when I didn't have Ethernet for a stable connection to run a server
Train staff - generic, sure.
Deploy security solutions - yeah I can probably install an antivirus.
Software/hardware/user issues - I worked in a computer repair shop, got that coveted.
But 100k USD isn't enough of an improvement over 29k GBP. I'll stay here thanks.
I know it's a joke, but in case you decide to go for a position like this in the UK: you probably wouldn't make it past the technical with those examples. Mainly, data migration is a system migration process (rsync might be a tiny part of the process but it's absolutely not what they're asking about) and endpoint security is not the same thing as an antivirus.
Honestly it's pretty standard stuff you'd find in a posting for a senior technical position, but it's just... three senior tech positions rolled into one (Four if they actually want training plans) and for low-journey pay. Pretty damn ridiculous.
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Wait this is just my current job but with double the pay...
fuck I gotta get a new job
Yeah, you need a new job. This is also my current job for not enough pay. You're getting shafted.
With that being said, this isn't really 3 jobs like the post implies. If you've worked with data integrations before, you know how SQL, APIs and cloud solutions interact.
Shhh don't let hr know, or your manager
same here, ouch
Sammmmmme
A German three letter agency had a similar ad. They were looking for someone who was proficient in encryption, hacking, protocols on Windows, Mac and Linux, and a few other things in that area. Experienced both in programming and leadership. And as a cherry on the top, this person would have to have knowledge about all the legal aspects of all of this, too.
All for a midrange bureaucrat salary. A security expert commented on this something like "if i had someone with that kind of skill set and experience, I would hire him out for a daily fee about as high as their offered monthly salary."
Many years ago I got offered 20% over minimum wage to manage, among other things, all email servers of a large banking association representing >90% of a national market.
It was less than what a Tesco cashier was making in the area.
When I was a student, I already had my Novell admin certificate, so it got some jobs on the side. Someone pointed me to a law firm where the owner wanted their PCs networked. We met, he showed me the list of hardware he wanted to buy - everything top notch, big server, new PCs with all bells, whistles and gongs back then, 19in rack for all the necessities, etc. That list was an offer from an expensive office outfitter he knew.
He "just" needed someone to install the stuff. I could easily have done that, but all he offered was a kind of internship. Oh what I could learn from working with top of the pop equipment! I told him I was here because it already knew everything that was needed. He then offered me that I could take the old PCs as "compensation".
I left, and warned others not to waste time with that idiot.
And people still get mad when we give honest feedback about compensation.
Shout-out to the recruiter who tried to convince me to take a 60k paycut because nobody will pay my current rate ( the one I was already being paid ). I strive to reach your level of audacity one day.
PTO listed as a benefit? Must be the USA 😁
Am I crazy that those sound reasonable IT manager level things? If company size is 100-200 endpoints, the IT manager should understand all of these, if he/she doesn't, I would not want to work at that IT team
It manager level for entry level pay
I've worked at places with <50 people where the 2 IT people had "manager" titles, but they were just "the IT people" in practice - one handled user stuff, the other was focused on the client-facing infrastructure.
Our lone HR person was also the "HR manager", we had a single "accounting manager", and a couple more like that. Some departments ended up expanding and the "managers" did end up with direct reports, but that's kinda just how small businesses work, this posting sounds a lot like that.
110k usd is entry level pay? I hate america so much its unreal.
"Manager" in this context generally doesn't mean someone who has people reporting to them, it means someone who manages the IT. It can absolutely be an early-career role. See also: equipment manager, facilities manager etc.
There’s not enough hours in day to do all those tasks that this will entail. You’ll constantly be dragged between different domains nd have no time to focus on anything
Source: I’ve done this job before. Company wasn’t even big either. Just 30 people or so
Honestly for 30 people it's understandable, hiring properly would be like 10% of the company already lol
When you consider that IT is used by everyone and often the entire company is built on IT and communication i would hire properly
Depends if the company is growing or just a small company
You're not crazy, it's just that posts like this are generally tribal. Nobody here actually knows what the day-to-day of that job is, they just want a pretext to vent about their own experiences of being asked to do work that they didn't want to do.
also potentially unpopular opinion: I've encountered about as many engineers over the years that were under-skilled for their positions, than ones who were competent. Whenever I see posters whine about how unreasonable the requirements for a job posting is, I always instinctively read it in one of the former's voices...
Eh I had a job like this. Was for a small company. If that was a large corp id say fuck no but if small company? Its fine.
Exactly. Company makes doors, by hand. 10 employees total and 2 computers. Easiest job you've ever had and you actually feel guilty every time they pay you for the first few months.
anything to do with printers better be 200k or higher
The funny thing about jobs is that demand for the job tends to scale with pay. Of all the IT positions in an office, the guy fixing the printers is probably earning the least.
My job in data analytics occasionally involves pulling printing volume data. Does that count as "anything to do with printers"?
Because fuck trying to aggregate by printer location when the location string is manually entered by humans with different "standards" and varying adherence even to their stated standard.
that sounds like a nightmare! yes that counts
That company, probably
“You’re good with computers, right?”
I swear these people probably ask their Uber drivers to fix their transmission because they’re “good with cars”.
Well it doesn't say you have to do any of them well.
Well you must have excellent communication skills.
For the actual IT stuff, they don't really care.
That one’s the dealbreaker. If you do all that stuff, you only have time for a grunt or two from behind your 17 inch TFT monitor.
If its a small company you are going to have people split between multiple things as it doesn't make financial sense to have 3 specialists.
Where I work is under 30 people, we don't have a HR department or even a HR role. HR is done by someone who also has other roles to fill.
You won’t get away with 100k if printer issues are included.. your soul and those of the other employees would be a start.
God, I hate printers.
Don't work with me, I manage 60+ across 2 sites with 3 separate-function print servers.
Anyone else here still manage a fleet of dot matrix??? We've got about a dozen left 😅
Well we can at least thank them for a big part of the open source movement.
Typical of a 20-30 people company where everyone has to do different things.
Though it's not an IT company so their IT department may very well be like 2 or 3 people
Sounds like their IT team is going to be this one person
Yes, that's pretty normal outside of IT companies and gigantic non-IT companies.
Honestly, this is what we currently have at our mid sized company. We get paid dogshit, nobody has a dedicated position we're just all "IT" and we do everything to keep shit running
This is basically my current job. Almost the same pay (120k) in the Seattle area.
I work 50-70 hours a week
You’re worth $200k in that HCOL area.
Meanwhile CEO makes 3mil a year while planning to
sellmerge the company with another one and get the golden parachute.CEO gets the golden parachute, employees get the golden shower.
That looks closer to a 220~260k salary job posting.
100~110k in LA area is entry level IT.
in the rest of the world that is basically a three-job salary.
Yeah I was gonna say. I didn't understand what people were complaining about, that's loads of money to me. I know stuff's more expensive in the US but it's not that much more expensive that 100k isn't an insane amount of money to live off.
You have to have so much more reserves in the US because of the broken health care system, and the car dependence. I live in Germany and my wife and I were thinking about how much more we'd need to save and we found out that we didn't need that much. Healthcare is basically free, we don't have a car, we had enough for a new set of appliances and months of rent. All that with about a half of that salary. But in the US you can easily go broke with that amount of money if you get sick or have car troubles. Also depending on the state poor job security.
Also depending on location cost of living varies widely. That's a really low salary for somewhere as expensive as LA.
That's about 5-6k a month pay, with rent around 3-4k a month
100k/12≈8k, including taxes, after taxes idk depends where you live. My rent is the majority of my income, and I make much less than that, so the absolute amount of money I have after paying for things like rent and utilities, to spend on food, is much less too, even if we assume the same % of income going to rent. Again I'm not saying things aren't more expensive in the US, but it is still a lot of money. You aren't going to be struggling financially. My friends in the US make much less than that. Maybe you'd be less well-off than peers who do the same job, but I hope you realise that for a lot of people elsewhere in the world, that'd be 3 salaries already.
Yeah its not a bad pay, my wife makes close to that amount, I make less and we were able to buy a house after we split the mortgage with her parents, instead of them renting, and us renting, we teamed up and split the house. we are comfortable just a bit cramped. We converted the garage to a kitchen/ living room and we get one bedroom. In laws with their kids get three rooms and the living room and kitchen. now we just have to deal with the two hour commute a day, my job offers free ev charging so that saves us about $500 a month we used to spend on gas.
Two hour commute is quite a lot. Can you not change job?
We could, but not for the same pay. For example my wife is a teacher if she switches to a local school the salary is 20k less. Another big thing is my job doesn't have a set schedule so when we all commute together I'm not really in a rush as long as she gets there on time. And my parents live right by her school so we can drop off our kid, then I drop her off, and my job is like 15 minutes further so it kind of just works.
When she's on summer break I can go to work earlier like 5 or 6am and avoid traffic which cuts the commute in half
It's USD 8333 per month, or EUR 7177. I wouldn't say 3 jobs, but pretty good even if it has to feed a whole family and/or taxes are high.
You aren't going to get close to that amount per month after taxes and health care. Its definitely not minimum wage, its around a teacher salary, or entry level office worker
TBF I am offering 40k to hire someone who should do frontend, backend, GPU shader optimization, database design optimization and API design.
I have been told this requires a full team of experts. I am not a software engineer, I took the time to study and this is what I've been doing the past 4 years. This person will earn more than I do.
You are undervaluing yourself right alongside the roles you're trying to hire
The salary itself is a decent one. Quite above the average. Either way it is what I can offer.
I didn't say it's difficult to find workers: found plenty good workers for about half that salary.
I did not start interviews yet, I'm confident I will find someone.
I worked a short stint as a network administrator for a company I did not like at all. I figured it'd be a foot in the door, but boy was I wrong. I didn't last 6 months, I was doing work of a network tech, network admin, security tech for door locks and cameras, a custodian, and general computer tech in all that. It was a VASTLY underpaid position for the work.
Would be an OK salary for most of Europe. Most countries here have relatively solid health care insurance, affordable education and a pension fund included, so that some of the biggest costs of living in the US don't even make a dent in the salary.
I'm in Sweden, this would be an amazing salary. I make maybe 40% of that, and I'm pretty well paid.
But you have a functional social safety net, insurance and retirement covered with your taxes. We don't and is horribly expensive to fork $24K a year to have access to health with a $7K deductible while thinking that if you get fired the equivalent of UB pay is $226/wk after you present substantiation to the state that you're trying to get work. On top of that insurance is tied to employment and that heavily influences work mobility and care as if anyone gets anything catastrophic loses the job, the insurance and all your savings.
I grew up in poverty, I know what this social safety net looked like 20 years ago. It's been hollowed out by a decade of alt-right governance since. They've pushed the non-white welfare king/queen narrative hard.
Living on subsistence minimum isn't really a comfortable life. You have to constantly apply for it and get scrutinised, and sometimes you get automatically denied because the government has applied a quota that försäkringskassan has to fill; it's luck of the draw.
It's certainly not something I'd ever view as a nice stress-free fallback to recover from, it's a full-time job in and of itself, and that's not counting the critique you have to put up with from society for using the system as it is intended.
Ish. Current retirees are covered by current taxpayers. My retirement will be covered by future taxpayers. This has lead to the retirement age being bumped up a couple of times the past few years, because there's not enough taxes coming in to cover retirement. I don't expect to ever actually retire.
The average pension income currently is 16400 crowns a month before taxes. My rent is 8.4k and it goes up with several hundred a year. Pensions generally remain fairly static.
By insurance I guess you mean healthcare. This is largely true, we have a high-cost protection, and that includes visits so if you buy enough meds or visit the doctors enough each year, the high cost protection kicks in, it's currently at approximately 3000 crowns.
My a-kassa isn't free, nor is it tax funded. I personally pay for that on a monthly basis. It's also tied to you looking for work.
There are upsides and downsides to everything. Things get bad here, too.
Great perspective, thank you for sharing that effectively not everything is perfect or works as intended.
I see your struggle and hope we all can make it right for us, our kids and their kids, thank you for fighting the good fight.
Yeah. I mean I'm grateful I struggle with things here, because I've seen what it can look like in the U.S. - visited a dear friend in 2019, and despite having two people work four jobs they still couldn't really make ends meet. It's heartwrenching.
Struggle is always struggle. I hope things improve for all of us.
Same!
Sounds like my job at a small full-house IT company. We did anything IT related the customer wanted. We got paid $1.2k by a rich guy to fix his son's Roblox account once.
Found the listing for anyone curious about the company. It's a recruitment company recruiting for a law firm.
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/information-technology-manager-at-bookman-consulting-4453231245
I'm going to start a recruiting company to find this recruiting company a better job listing.
Surely a law firm can afford to pay each position properly
I've worked for some, and I don't think they get big money unless they are a big company.
Probably. Also wonder if they're paying the employee directly or if the recruitment company is leeching a bunch off the top
It’s three jobs on a slow day.
I've worked there, for not nearly that amount of money :(
I don't give a shit about the broadness. I'll do whatever they want for my salary . 100k though is 50k short of I'm being generous.
As a system administrator, I've done all of these to some extent. But at that pay range, it better be part-time.
That shit would be 45-60k here and it infuriates me.
Fuckin sherman oaks ca too. That 110k isn't going far
I saw similar when looking for work as a graphic designer, with duties that can be summarised as "design our printed materials, build our website (with JavaScript knowledge required), and also plan our marketing strategy".
Then when I mentioned this in a Clients from Hell comment section, I got someone defend the practice with that small companies can't afford to hire separate people for the 3 separate skillsets...
I really thought the response was an AI suggestion at first glance; that would’ve been hilarious.
I usually reply to shit job offers and tell them why it’s shit.
Even when I’m not interested in the job, if it’s anything but full time work from home I’ll let them know I’m only considering ft wfh so that they either raise their offer or reconsider their in-office requirement for the next person that’s actually interested.
this sounds... entirely reasonable? like, had it not been in california that's about what i expect a position with those responsibilities to pay. the median income here is just below $40k a year and for an it manager these are all completely expected skills. i don't get it.
You probably don't live in America or are underpaid with all this remote work out there.
There's bottom of the barrel for any tech management. Our jira pencil pushers get 130-50..
Staff engineers with actual technical skill clear 200.
There is also the fact that you can tell your actually working 50 hours a week from this post if you read between the lines. Most of my tech friends and myself are doing a solid 25 hours of real work and jiggling the mouse from home for the rest.
well duh. i'm in the top 5% of earners here, and i make just shy of €60k a year before taxes.
Similar here. I'm in the US but not one of the wealthy states or tech havens. I've got 8 years of cloud admin and integrations development and make about $85k/yr (70k Eur?). I'm one of the best paid people I know I my area.
I don't get it. Everyone in IT is screaming about the employment crisis. I have a friend who can't even get a job that pays 40k € with a Bachelor's in CS and two years of semi-relevant experience. Are things really that much better in the US that you can get paid over 200k for a job similar to the one in the OP?
Like, I have a similar amount of responsibilities to the OP and closing in on a decade of experience, get paid in your "jira pencil pusher" range and yet consider myself lucky compared to my friends in IT. Granted this is remote work in europe with interesting technical work and open-source aspects, but still...
There's largely still above average working conditions for the people that do land a job in tech, but right now the job security is rather low.
The thing is, if you're managing an important project. The companies want to pay extra, to ensure they're having decent people hired and have their time if something breaks out of hours.
But remote hirers, do also factor regional factors into account. Most US companies okay with remote workers, will have payranges per state. Most European companies, have at least pay ranges per country. You're getting paid more in Denmark than you'd be in Hungary as an example. To account for cost of living as well as local competition
Yes. But it won't be written like this.
A company that values it's tech workers and that has a decent salary will write a better post, then have you work 3 jobs, because they'll have other decent tech managers to write it.
This post was written by HR at after a Google post for "good it manager skills' for a cfo who doesn't understand a word and just wants it done for cheap.
Younger cs students are just fucked BTW. Despite the screeches AI bad, it's not. It is eating up junior coding jobs and I'm not sure what to say to them or about how new people will learn to code when I have as many agents as I can muster up in my brains context. From a pure velocity perspective there is just no way to compete. I'd never choose, training a junior dev over AI even in it's current state. It's just not efficient to train someone to hand code and learn about what will break, who is going to do stupid shit, architecture, etc. but you don't learn it well being an operator.
i'd disagree on the first one, that's just par for the course here. and 90k is senior staff engineer territory here. that puts you in the 99.9th percentile.
I'm guessing It would put you in the bottom 10% in the area mentioned in the job listing.
100-110k is a lot of coin, you're being paid pretty well to wear those hats.
It's less than twice as much as I make as a line cook. It's not that much coin.
Line cook isn't an easy job, to be fair.
It's low skill and easily replaced.
We don't pay based on how hard.
Yeah, we do to a point, someone has to want that job.
5% weighting. Tops.
If no one wants it, harder to replace.
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Lol, I'll fight you on "low skilled".
Go ahead. Line cook ain't complicated. Show up, prep for a few hours, real with the rush, clean up. Easily replaced. Days of training for competency.
What’s minimum wage in the area?
Around $18.50
Listen, if you meet the requirements for this job your entire resume is just a link to your wikipedia page. This is a hilariously, bafflingly out of touch posting.
A lot of it is vaguely described. I could probably apply and argue I meet all of these as it depends on what level of experience they really want.
Communication skills - whatever, many jobs asks for this.
Data migration and APIs - HR don't know what an API is but I have setup software that uses them and I can copy data from a server easily with rsync.
SQL - I passed a SQL test in an interview despite having never used or seen it. Only had some HTML, CSS and bash from a few home projects. Now used SQL a fair bit.
Cloud - yep, used GCP to run a factorio server when I didn't have Ethernet for a stable connection to run a server
Train staff - generic, sure.
Deploy security solutions - yeah I can probably install an antivirus.
Software/hardware/user issues - I worked in a computer repair shop, got that coveted.
But 100k USD isn't enough of an improvement over 29k GBP. I'll stay here thanks.
I know it's a joke, but in case you decide to go for a position like this in the UK: you probably wouldn't make it past the technical with those examples. Mainly, data migration is a system migration process (rsync might be a tiny part of the process but it's absolutely not what they're asking about) and endpoint security is not the same thing as an antivirus.
Honestly it's pretty standard stuff you'd find in a posting for a senior technical position, but it's just... three senior tech positions rolled into one (Four if they actually want training plans) and for low-journey pay. Pretty damn ridiculous.
Probably a posting to justify hiring a foreign worker needing a visa. Claiming they can't find anyone qualified in country.
It absolutely is not a lot of coin.
May not be in USA, because the employer doesn't pay social security on your behalf.
Sherman Oaks = Los Angeles, California suburbs and it's not that great of pay for LA.
Source: SoCal resident.