He’s also got less sense than I thought a human was capable of, which is saying something, if he was smart he’d have fucked off after PayPal like Tom did when he sold MySpace
I had to sink to the lowest level but I think the perceived irony is that a socialist is opening a store which some people think is inherently capitalist
In his empty head, there might be some connection to the Conservative Propaganda about people starving under Socialism, vs a Socialist opening grocery stores, and we're supposed to see that as "Irony," rather than popping a hole in their "Socialists Starve People" trope.
He's just not smart enough, or sober enough, to follow the mental path beyond "Har, har, look at this Socialist with food, har, har. Ironic, huh?"
I would use my wealth to destroy all wealthy people's wealth, then when that is all done I would donate every last cent to all workers and create one big union with every single worker being a participant. There wouldn't be much of an economy by then but we could rebuild and maybe get rid of money altogether. Just some little pipe dream of mine.
It’s been clarified that you won’t need an id to buy. It would be more akin to a loyalty card. Seems they want to use it to track usage patterns and cut off scalpers.
The meme of communism being the root cause of the starvation in the USSR and China is infuriating to me because it stops people from seeing the valuable lesson that's actually there: the destruction caused by ideology taking precedence over evidence and a system that cannot see or adapt to evidence that it's made the wrong decision.
A well run communist nation would have run optional trial programs to test lysenkoism. It would have slowly ramped it up, seeing if it actually produced results, all while promising those trying it that if it failed they'd be given food, and if it succeeded they'd be allowed to keep some of the surplus.
No way to safely test the 5 pests campaign though. Gotta have people who understand agriculture and ecology make agricultural decisions to stop that.
Regardless though, these problems aren't innate to communism. Reaganism/Thatcherism are of the same nature. And fascists did it far more egregiously than anyone else, partly because their ideology is built on explicitly rejecting non ideological thought and all old ways of doing things. If communists call watering crops communism, fascists will build tents to keep their plants dry.
The USSR and China were and are not Communist countries. Just because they call themselves Communist, doesn't mean they have anything to do with Marxism.
the destruction caused by ideology taking precedence over evidence and a system that cannot see or adapt to evidence that it's made the wrong decision...Regardless though, these problems aren't innate to communism.
Absolutely correct. I'd go so far as to proclaiming it a base aspect of the human condition.
Prehistoric survival strategy that hasn't uniformly left the species/adapted to the modern world.
Reaganism/Thatcherism are of the same nature. And fascists did it far more egregiously than anyone else, partly because their ideology is built on explicitly rejecting non ideological thought and all old ways of doing things.
Also absolutely correct, and they know that.
Even a moron like Musk, who I genuinely believe couldn't correctly ID 10 pieces of irony even if they all floppily cockslapped his stupid face, is aware of why he peddles the drivel he does.
Remember when the World Food Program showed Musk he could solve world hunger for a mere fraction of his wealth andyet he's still here trying to dunk on people trying to put food on tables?
But next time, maybe click on the little bubbles at the end of each continent warming paragraph, and read the sources the clanker is supposedly using and determine truth yourself.
Then come back here and share your direct understanding of that.
That's how fucking discussion works ffs, we can all go to Google and get forcefed AI overview whenever we want.
What are you talking about, that song was a master class in irony. A whole song about irony that is just a series of examples, none of which are actually ironic. It's a bit ironic, don't you think?
(And you'd have to know what irony is to not accidentally hit it at least once)
Musk is such a fucking waste of oxygen. This is how he tricks people into thinking he isn't as dumb as a lobotomized sunfish. He smugly says a bunch of bullshit just vague enough to fool other idiots into playing along because they want to feel smart too. There's nothing ironic about the news story he referenced. He's a fucking moronic narcissist who hears something and without even bothering to process the information immediately assumes he understands it on a level beyond everyone else. And if you press him on it even slightly he'll just say you have a tiny brain or call you a pedophile or some shit.
One would hope it would backfire. This statement seems absolutely so stupid that I can imagine people that would be inclined to side with him would still not understand how "ironic" applies to the screenshot. By virtue of blindly loving Musk or blindly hating Mamdani I can imagine some "yeah, you go!", but never necessarily understanding why or thinking it mustu be really smart.
That's the thing though. No one does buy anything from him and he's still a trillionaire because it's all theoretical. If he was forced to actually come up with the money he couldn't.
All market capitalization values are theoretical, and his is inflated the most. However. Tesla still sells a bunch of cars unfortunately. And SpaceX's value is mostly propped up by StarLink, plus the playing with rockets side of it gets juicy government contracts
You do know they borrow against their wealth at close to zero percent interest, right? He probably cant get a trillon in cash but he could probably get $250 billion no problem.
What is the irony? That he thinks the original plan was to give away food for free then they realized they have to charge something? I'm pretty sure charging something was always the plan just not with the intent of a for profit model.
I'm from India, a neoliberal hellscape and certainly capitalist society and it has plenty of public and subsidized grocery stores, this is a very basic welfare policy not socialism.
Elon Musk literally bragged that if anyone could prove $6B could end world hunger, he'd spend it. UN was, like, yeah. He, of course, dropped the conversation right then and there.
Yeah but can you imagine the humiliation if it didn't work and he accidentally just saved millions of lives without getting rid of 100.0% of the problem?
Pretend is the right word, musk is a imbecile who have the achievement to be rejected by some of the evilest scum on earth, who is a bunch of racist pedophiles who make profit from people misery, but there's other assholes who are even more stupid than him and ketamine lord is able to capitalize and weaponize those morons.
So far as I can tell, his only actual contributions to any of his companies are the cybertruck, a tunnel that taxis people a distance that's faster to walk, and making an AI a racist pedophile.
The cybertruck is so fucking stupid. I don't know how it's going to turn out but the slate truck looks like it's trying to be everything Tesla's truck should've been.
I don't see the problem. I'd rather people be able to afford to eat and feed their families.
Anyone who has a problem with affordable groceries, in a period of time where the cost of living outweighs being able to afford groceries; can go fuck themselves with a rusty Trident.
idiot right wingers who think they have some gotcha with some stupid "LEFTISTS MELT DOWN OVER VOTER IDEA, BUT HAVE NO PROBLEM FOR ID FOR FOOD?! COMMUNISM!" probably?
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
They set up a loyalty program like you would have for any grocery store, which helps with inventory control, and these people think it's an ID verification system.
I don't think that it's going to matter if they do. The very fact that they are offering groceries at a lower price will put pressure on grocery businesses to shave their margins, which are already quite large due to "inflation". (These places posted insane profits in the years since tte pandemic started, and even more after it was declared over).
They've been complaining about voter ID and being dunked on for making the argument that you need ID to buy groceries and now the Mamdani grocery stores require a membership ID
The irony is that this administration is actually implementing centrally managed economy (government purchasing shares of private companies, telling directly what they can and cannot do) like in communism, with the difference that communism at least pretended to be there for the people. Now the government is just there for the Epstein class.
For everyone one of him there are probably thousands of others waiting to replace him, sure. But at least it's one less. By the way I would much rather prefer he actually goes to prison for murdering 600K+ people through USAID cuts, plus a million other blatantly illegal things he's done. I think prison would be way more of a blow to his ego. I'm just saying there are people out there who are mentally unstable (like thomas crooke) that just want to try to solve the problem themselves.
Pretty disingenuous post to be honest. Regardless of what one thinks of the wind bag.
His entire take is:
NYC ID for voting? Bad, horrible, not gonna happen.
NYC ID for buying discounted groceries? That's logical, common sense, we must take measures to ensure only valid residents can partake.
Even the most staunch Musk hater has to be able to see what a precarious position things are in. Logically, it is impossible to honestly defend one stance while rejecting another. I hate that this seems like I'm defending him, but it is more like I'm imploring people to be intellectually honest and consistent with themselves so others don't use them as tools in a bigger game.
People are already saying intellectually dishonest things like "voting is a right, the grocery store isn't." Then will have a post history that talks about food being a right, thereby confirming it is just more zero sum logic at play. Lots of words, but it all means nothing.
Plenty to strongly dislike about him. This ain't even on the menu.
God you're dumb, especially for calling your word vomit "intellectual honesty"
ID for voting is stupid. It is PROVEN that voter fraud is a non-issue, so voter ID laws pivot exist to disenfranchise voters.
On the other hand, as the mayor of a city, you can't run subsidized or non-profit grocery stores for the whole state plus new jersey. It's just not sustainable, especially not during the delicate early phases where any hiccup will be blown out of proportions by the media.
One is a provable non-issue, the other is a significant practical risk.
Oh yes... I forgot that no one from New Jersey or the area surrounding New York ever comes to New York 5-6 days a week for 8-12 hours.... All those bridges are just for the architecture of it.
I know you don't want to hear this, but I feel it should be pointed out for others. There is a distinct difference between "this thing SHOULD be a right" and "this thing IS a right."
I believe access to food should be a right and will continue to support policies that lead to that goal. However, I also recognize that we are not there yet. Voting does have that level of protection, and I will fight like hell to defend it because voting supports the pathway for more rights like access to food.
You're wrong, because you're either lying or have been lied to about the voter ID measures.
The question has always been: if I don't have an ID, can I still vote? IDs make it much easier to prove eligibility to vote, but is there a backup plan, a safety valve, for people who don't have an ID on election day?
If you want to buy alcohol, there are legal ways to acquire alcohol without an ID, if you are actually of legal drinking age.
If you want to fly on an airplane, there are ways to get past TSA and get on an airplane without an ID. TSA only recently started charging a fee for this, but there's always been a safety valve for people who want to fly but don't have an ID on them. Otherwise, what would someone have to do if they were on vacation, lost their wallet, and wanted to come home?
Oh, and the actual proposal for the shopper card at the NYC grocery store won't actually require proof of identity or proof of residency. So if the proposed voter ID laws were going to be equally loose, I don't think there would be any opposition to a system by which a person who doesn't have an ID could get one that day, at the polling site, in order to vote that day.
Good to know and I’m looking at post history right now. You’re right. Fuk these pathetic lil trolls straight living out of mamas basement. Either way it’s never been easier to spot these pathetic lil worms
Chill out, man. SMCF is a mainstay of the fediverse and I have never seen you here. Not all of their comments may land, but they've made me laugh on occasion.
What about the humans who don't eat other animals? The discount should also apply to non-animal protein sources, such as beans and nuts, but from what I can find it does not.
It's a discount on staples, but not everyone uses the same staples. Many people get their protein from non-animal sources. Is he also discounting beans, nuts, and tofu?
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I don't understand. What's ironic about a socialist opening some city owned grocery stores?
Nothing in the slightest, Musk is just a dumbass with more money than any human should have.
He’s also got less sense than I thought a human was capable of, which is saying something, if he was smart he’d have fucked off after PayPal like Tom did when he sold MySpace
Wait, Tom is gone? He was a friend of mine!
Tom was and remains all of our friends, he left so it would be that way
My Space may be back.
So ive heard… im keeping my distance for the time being, seems like a trap
I would be doing secret AI experiments with a small AI center if I was in his place.
Sounds dumb, until you realize I would be architecting the actual algorithm myself, and not for corporate goals.
The irony is that Musk, self-proclaimed super genius, doesn't know what irony is while calling things ironic.
he would like the days when children return to the precious stone mines in South africa.
That would be emerald-y
probably force them to go africa,, south america again and mine rare earth minerals
Isn't it like rain on your wedding day?
I thought it was more like a traffic jam, when you're already late
He's like a spoon who thinks it's a knife.
Alright, alright. I see you've played knifey spoony before.
I actually haven't, ironically. Is that a sex thing?
Only if you're in Australia
An innocent Simpsons reference I'm afraid.
He’s like an egg who thinks it’s caviar.
I had to sink to the lowest level but I think the perceived irony is that a socialist is opening a store which some people think is inherently capitalist
Thank you, my brain was failing to understand even in theory what point he thought he was making...
Even if it is dumb, I at least like to know the reason...
By Zeus, that makes sense now.
In his empty head, there might be some connection to the Conservative Propaganda about people starving under Socialism, vs a Socialist opening grocery stores, and we're supposed to see that as "Irony," rather than popping a hole in their "Socialists Starve People" trope.
He's just not smart enough, or sober enough, to follow the mental path beyond "Har, har, look at this Socialist with food, har, har. Ironic, huh?"
it apparently requires an ID for.. something..
Imagine when he learns about library cards.
Or driver's licenses
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't even have one.
If I was a gazillionaire I would probably not drive.
Of course, I would also be a class traitor to the rest of the capital class and soon stop being a gazillionaire...
Shit. I'm gazillionpoor and I don't drive
I would use my wealth to destroy all wealthy people's wealth, then when that is all done I would donate every last cent to all workers and create one big union with every single worker being a participant. There wouldn't be much of an economy by then but we could rebuild and maybe get rid of money altogether. Just some little pipe dream of mine.
It’s been clarified that you won’t need an id to buy. It would be more akin to a loyalty card. Seems they want to use it to track usage patterns and cut off scalpers.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/nyc-mayor-zohran-mamdani-team-153800291.html
Thank you for that clarification.
Ah, I see. And he's saying it's ironic for them to require an ID when they are against people having to show their ID at the polls. Right?
The irony is, he's calling something irony and no one understands what he means.
Gommonysm 100Trillion starbed hardyharharhar
You need to dial down your intellect to the extend of a 12 yo, than you understand the mind of trillionaire.
The meme of communism being the root cause of the starvation in the USSR and China is infuriating to me because it stops people from seeing the valuable lesson that's actually there: the destruction caused by ideology taking precedence over evidence and a system that cannot see or adapt to evidence that it's made the wrong decision.
A well run communist nation would have run optional trial programs to test lysenkoism. It would have slowly ramped it up, seeing if it actually produced results, all while promising those trying it that if it failed they'd be given food, and if it succeeded they'd be allowed to keep some of the surplus.
No way to safely test the 5 pests campaign though. Gotta have people who understand agriculture and ecology make agricultural decisions to stop that.
Regardless though, these problems aren't innate to communism. Reaganism/Thatcherism are of the same nature. And fascists did it far more egregiously than anyone else, partly because their ideology is built on explicitly rejecting non ideological thought and all old ways of doing things. If communists call watering crops communism, fascists will build tents to keep their plants dry.
The USSR and China were and are not Communist countries. Just because they call themselves Communist, doesn't mean they have anything to do with Marxism.
Absolutely correct. I'd go so far as to proclaiming it a base aspect of the human condition.
Prehistoric survival strategy that hasn't uniformly left the species/adapted to the modern world.
Also absolutely correct, and they know that.
Even a moron like Musk, who I genuinely believe couldn't correctly ID 10 pieces of irony even if they all floppily cockslapped his stupid face, is aware of why he peddles the drivel he does.
Remember when the World Food Program showed Musk he could solve world hunger for a mere fraction of his wealth andyet he's still here trying to dunk on people trying to put food on tables?
Is the Clanker telling the truth?
@Cock
Fuck ai
Don't ask it
Even fucking clankers know, yes.
But next time, maybe click on the little bubbles at the end of each continent warming paragraph, and read the sources the clanker is supposedly using and determine truth yourself.
Then come back here and share your direct understanding of that.
That's how fucking discussion works ffs, we can all go to Google and get forcefed AI overview whenever we want.
I don't think musk knows what irony means
Listened to too much Alanis Morissette
What are you talking about, that song was a master class in irony. A whole song about irony that is just a series of examples, none of which are actually ironic. It's a bit ironic, don't you think?
(And you'd have to know what irony is to not accidentally hit it at least once)
Ed Byrne is great
He must mean the nutrients in the green leafy vegtables.
Where irony
It's Alanis Morissette's version of irony
Dontcha think?
Its a store and stores are only in capitalism.
Its too much!
Musk is such a fucking waste of oxygen. This is how he tricks people into thinking he isn't as dumb as a lobotomized sunfish. He smugly says a bunch of bullshit just vague enough to fool other idiots into playing along because they want to feel smart too. There's nothing ironic about the news story he referenced. He's a fucking moronic narcissist who hears something and without even bothering to process the information immediately assumes he understands it on a level beyond everyone else. And if you press him on it even slightly he'll just say you have a tiny brain or call you a pedophile or some shit.
One would hope it would backfire. This statement seems absolutely so stupid that I can imagine people that would be inclined to side with him would still not understand how "ironic" applies to the screenshot. By virtue of blindly loving Musk or blindly hating Mamdani I can imagine some "yeah, you go!", but never necessarily understanding why or thinking it mustu be really smart.
That's the thing though. No one does buy anything from him and he's still a trillionaire because it's all theoretical. If he was forced to actually come up with the money he couldn't.
All market capitalization values are theoretical, and his is inflated the most. However. Tesla still sells a bunch of cars unfortunately. And SpaceX's value is mostly propped up by StarLink, plus the playing with rockets side of it gets juicy government contracts
You do know they borrow against their wealth at close to zero percent interest, right? He probably cant get a trillon in cash but he could probably get $250 billion no problem.
That's their entire personal financial model, and we can make that illegal, you know?
Dont make it illegal, just tax them as if its realized gains when they do it. If they pay it back, give them a tax credit.
Make new tax brackets as well that go up to 80% or whatever as well. Dont let them use the wealth without paying taxes.
It's not physically possible for him to spend the amount of money he could produce, on things that he could personally use.
The most expensive house sold in the US cost $0bn (to the nearest billion).
The most expensive private island that I can find any reference to online, Larry Ellison's island in Hawaii, cost $0bn (likewise).
The most expensive painting ever sold at auction, Leonardo da Vinci's Salvator Mundi, went for $0bn.
The ten most expensive historical artifacts ever sold at auction, combined, comes to $0bn.
The most expensive superyacht ever just about rounds up to $1bn, and the whole point of a superyacht is to be insanely expensive.
Anyone who thinks billionaires should be incentivized with more money isn't paying attention.
Didn't he change Twitter a while back so that all users got automatically signed up to his insane bullshit posts? idk I've never been
What is the irony? That he thinks the original plan was to give away food for free then they realized they have to charge something? I'm pretty sure charging something was always the plan just not with the intent of a for profit model.
I've been trying to figure out,... my conclusion is that he doesn't know what irony means
Maybe Alannis Moreset can teach him.
XD
He is too thick to recognize that extreme measures like this are necessary in no small part due to his and his peers’ greed.
There’s another solution that doesn’t involve socialism, but they are forcing it upon us by their own actions. That’s what’s ironic.
How is a public grocery store an extreme measure xD
It’s not typical in America or any capitalist society. In fact, I’ve only seen subsidized ones built to alleviate scarcity in food deserts.
I'm from India, a neoliberal hellscape and certainly capitalist society and it has plenty of public and subsidized grocery stores, this is a very basic welfare policy not socialism.
Stop engaging with Nazis on Nazi platforms.
The way Musk talks he makes me think he has more hands than amount of books hes read
Idk he might have given mein kamphf a go
Perhaps the Turner Diaries.
didn't he have a copy of Hitler's speeches bedside or was that Trump?
Donald.
Thats such a large range, I would have gone with noses.
Why should he read books when he can have his company destroy them while training AI?
Elon Musk literally bragged that if anyone could prove $6B could end world hunger, he'd spend it. UN was, like, yeah. He, of course, dropped the conversation right then and there.
Yeah but can you imagine the humiliation if it didn't work and he accidentally just saved millions of lives without getting rid of 100.0% of the problem?
6b to him is fucking like me sending a mate $100 for their birthday. Absolute piece of shit.
He sounds as he pretends to be smart, but he just shows as a scumbag
Pretend is the right word, musk is a imbecile who have the achievement to be rejected by some of the evilest scum on earth, who is a bunch of racist pedophiles who make profit from people misery, but there's other assholes who are even more stupid than him and ketamine lord is able to capitalize and weaponize those morons.
So far as I can tell, his only actual contributions to any of his companies are the cybertruck, a tunnel that taxis people a distance that's faster to walk, and making an AI a racist pedophile.
The cybertruck is so fucking stupid. I don't know how it's going to turn out but the slate truck looks like it's trying to be everything Tesla's truck should've been.
I don't see the problem. I'd rather people be able to afford to eat and feed their families.
Anyone who has a problem with affordable groceries, in a period of time where the cost of living outweighs being able to afford groceries; can go fuck themselves with a rusty Trident.
Who the fuck downvoted THIS???
Patrick
idiot right wingers who think they have some gotcha with some stupid "LEFTISTS MELT DOWN OVER VOTER IDEA, BUT HAVE NO PROBLEM FOR ID FOR FOOD?! COMMUNISM!" probably?
He's an idiot. He probably thinks it would be ironic if we were all made of iron.
It's ironic that people ever thought he could be Iron Man.
it's like acid raaaaaaaaiiiin on your wedding day
Financial obesity is an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
If you could ask Musk what is ironic about this situation, he couldn't tell you. Because he doesn't know the definition of "irony".
He'd probably claim it's just an Alanis Morissette song.
He thinks irony means "darkly humorous."
Obviously, he didn't pay attention to the O. Henry "Gift of the Maji" English lesson that explains it. Probably paid some nerd to do the homework.
Praying St Luigi
Well I'm upset that Musk is still breathing.
where irony?
They set up a loyalty program like you would have for any grocery store, which helps with inventory control, and these people think it's an ID verification system.
Hope they also use that to limit the quantity of food you can buy each month. Like max 5 liters of oil or so, to avoid people that bought to resell.
I don't think that it's going to matter if they do. The very fact that they are offering groceries at a lower price will put pressure on grocery businesses to shave their margins, which are already quite large due to "inflation". (These places posted insane profits in the years since tte pandemic started, and even more after it was declared over).
It's in Musk's use of that word when he clearly doesn't know what it means.
They've been complaining about voter ID and being dunked on for making the argument that you need ID to buy groceries and now the Mamdani grocery stores require a membership ID
So like a cooperative with open and voluntary membership?
Yes, plus voting is a right and buying groceries from a specific store is not
Its so adorable that you think that you're being clever.
Where am I being clever? It's the honest explanation
Oh the jealousy
He's upset cuz he wanted to be loved by the masses the way Mamdani is.
Are we legally allowed to pray to St. Luigi in regards to Musk? I hope similar actions can happen.
Religion has often been banned throughout history when it challenges an authoritys place of power.
"How dare they undercut billionaires! And at such a vital time too! They were making more profits than ever"
Former trillionaire. He's 'only' about three quarters of the way there now.
Let's take it all. We paid for it anyway.
He can keep Tesla, they'll be bankrupt in 2-3 years anyway.
Musk, probably
Not probably. Do you remember Musk around his family?
Sure you do. There's a bunch where he's with his little boy. . When? Oh, right after Luigi happened.
Yeah, poor will not starve, but at what cost? Stakeholders will not see much profit and the US won't become white ethnostate.
Does Melon even know the definition of irony?
Wasn’t Musk supposed to end world hunger?
B…but muh free market economy
The irony is that this administration is actually implementing centrally managed economy (government purchasing shares of private companies, telling directly what they can and cannot do) like in communism, with the difference that communism at least pretended to be there for the people. Now the government is just there for the Epstein class.
Man it's only a matter of time
You bots are not making any sense
beep boop
That person is clearly not a bot, you can look at their post history, theyre just communicating poorly
Maybe they're a bot that communicates poorly.
What exactly do you mean by this? What is only a matter of time?
Until everyone has had enough of Musk's bullshit and they decide to deal with him, hopefully so he can rot in prison for a long time
sigh I wish I shared your optimism.
Yeah. I don't see that happening.
I do think Elon must be stressed and should kick back and relax. Maybe have some ketamine while enjoying a hot tub...
yeah I know, but all it takes is one crazy person
to replace him with someone else exactly like him while the entire world sends thoughts and prayers? like happened with the UHC CEO?
For everyone one of him there are probably thousands of others waiting to replace him, sure. But at least it's one less. By the way I would much rather prefer he actually goes to prison for murdering 600K+ people through USAID cuts, plus a million other blatantly illegal things he's done. I think prison would be way more of a blow to his ego. I'm just saying there are people out there who are mentally unstable (like thomas crooke) that just want to try to solve the problem themselves.
Scary times we're living in.
Soon everyone will see
Pretty disingenuous post to be honest. Regardless of what one thinks of the wind bag. His entire take is: NYC ID for voting? Bad, horrible, not gonna happen. NYC ID for buying discounted groceries? That's logical, common sense, we must take measures to ensure only valid residents can partake.
Even the most staunch Musk hater has to be able to see what a precarious position things are in. Logically, it is impossible to honestly defend one stance while rejecting another. I hate that this seems like I'm defending him, but it is more like I'm imploring people to be intellectually honest and consistent with themselves so others don't use them as tools in a bigger game.
People are already saying intellectually dishonest things like "voting is a right, the grocery store isn't." Then will have a post history that talks about food being a right, thereby confirming it is just more zero sum logic at play. Lots of words, but it all means nothing.
Plenty to strongly dislike about him. This ain't even on the menu.
God you're dumb, especially for calling your word vomit "intellectual honesty"
ID for voting is stupid. It is PROVEN that voter fraud is a non-issue, so voter ID laws pivot exist to disenfranchise voters.
On the other hand, as the mayor of a city, you can't run subsidized or non-profit grocery stores for the whole state plus new jersey. It's just not sustainable, especially not during the delicate early phases where any hiccup will be blown out of proportions by the media.
One is a provable non-issue, the other is a significant practical risk.
Are there people who are going to drive into New York City just to save 30% on bread? Sure, some, but enough to be a problem?
Oh yes... I forgot that no one from New Jersey or the area surrounding New York ever comes to New York 5-6 days a week for 8-12 hours.... All those bridges are just for the architecture of it.
I know you don't want to hear this, but I feel it should be pointed out for others. There is a distinct difference between "this thing SHOULD be a right" and "this thing IS a right."
I believe access to food should be a right and will continue to support policies that lead to that goal. However, I also recognize that we are not there yet. Voting does have that level of protection, and I will fight like hell to defend it because voting supports the pathway for more rights like access to food.
You're wrong, because you're either lying or have been lied to about the voter ID measures.
The question has always been: if I don't have an ID, can I still vote? IDs make it much easier to prove eligibility to vote, but is there a backup plan, a safety valve, for people who don't have an ID on election day?
If you want to buy alcohol, there are legal ways to acquire alcohol without an ID, if you are actually of legal drinking age.
If you want to fly on an airplane, there are ways to get past TSA and get on an airplane without an ID. TSA only recently started charging a fee for this, but there's always been a safety valve for people who want to fly but don't have an ID on them. Otherwise, what would someone have to do if they were on vacation, lost their wallet, and wanted to come home?
Oh, and the actual proposal for the shopper card at the NYC grocery store won't actually require proof of identity or proof of residency. So if the proposed voter ID laws were going to be equally loose, I don't think there would be any opposition to a system by which a person who doesn't have an ID could get one that day, at the polling site, in order to vote that day.
ID for voting is pushed in order to discourage certain demographics from voting.
ID for grocery discounts is NOT pushed in order to discourage certain demographics from feeding themselves.
Do you think getting a library card and getting a passport are essentially the and process??
The fact that Mamdani is discounting chicken, milk and eggs shows he doesn't care about animal's welfare.
Yes, this regard, right here! What a dummy
can we not use algospeak slurs please
What the fuk is algospeak? Grow up Peter Pan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algospeak
And fuck Elon fucking musk!!! Biggest loser to ever live
Wow, that’s pretty interesting had no idea there was a term for that. No more algospeak for me, ever!!! Fuck them maga retards for ev er!!!
"r*tard" is a slur and i would appreciate if you did not use it. thank you.
Would you prefer "retard"?
I would prefer that you did not use a slur at all, and I feel like in an explicitly leftist space that shouldn't be a huge ask
people here hate him for a reason
These assholes still think they can spread their bs without being detected. Fuk these bots!!
SMCF is definitely not a bot. Prolific shit poster, yes. But definitely not a bot.
Good to know and I’m looking at post history right now. You’re right. Fuk these pathetic lil trolls straight living out of mamas basement. Either way it’s never been easier to spot these pathetic lil worms
Chill out, man. SMCF is a mainstay of the fediverse and I have never seen you here. Not all of their comments may land, but they've made me laugh on occasion.
Honestly, they are an acquired taste. It took some time but I have learned to enjoy SatansMaggotyCumFart.
Its spelled fuck. You don't need to censor here
You need /s here, since we can't write in crayon.
Does that mean /serious?
I think it means /shitpost
I always thought it meant sarcastic. Same effect either way.
He was elected by humans who wish to pay meat tribute!
Yeah, fuck that guy for doing what he can to help humans!
What about the humans who don't eat other animals? The discount should also apply to non-animal protein sources, such as beans and nuts, but from what I can find it does not.
Well, gee. I guess I'll just go vote for Republicans, then, until we get a perfect Democrat.
It's a discount on staples, but not everyone uses the same staples. Many people get their protein from non-animal sources. Is he also discounting beans, nuts, and tofu?
He’s not discounting staples only groceries.