I had a friend do this. Not in the theatre, but a week later when we were talking about the movie. I wasn't sure how to tell him without embarrassing him, but he joked about it himself later.
I'm just excited for all the "historically accurate" cyclops, witches, demi gods, and magic objects that the conservatives are going to have in their AI remakes!
It's harder when you have words that people are native language to but you're using it like you just invented a word, even if it is the original origin and it's used slightly differently.
The Achilles thing made me chuckle. And then it made me weep a bit because general education seems to be dead. I learnt about the Trojan war and attached mythology at school, doesn't that happen anymore or is it an attention issue?
Maybe it's just anything Greek. I remember reading a comment chain right here on Lemmy like 6 months ago, something about a thing/machine/software named Prometheus. One commenter wondered why they'd name themselves after an Alien movie.
I don't think I ever covered any Greek myths in school in the UK. Like many others I did have an interest in them so I did read the Iliad and Odyssey in my school years (though I don't remember which translations). We did cover a few Norse myths; the bit of the Prose Edda with the giant Skrymir was one that stuck with me for some reason
At the end of the day there is simply far too much history to give everyone an overview of all of the big things. There are interesting aspects of the relationship between myth, history, historiography, and archaeology that I expect Troy could be a great subject for, but I don't think there's anything so unique about it that it has to be a topic
Here in german speaking central europe i learnt (i wont stop using it just to piss @[email protected] off lol) about the wars among the greek citystates, with references to Homer, and later on when learning Latin (which i sucked at, but that's not so important right now) we read excerpts and learnt (hahaha roflcopter) about the mythology a lot more. There also were references to the Greek mythology in our literature classes.
Dude i'm just chuckling when i see you pop up. We could make a running gag out of it if you are up to it - i keep using "learnt" and you keep shitting on me for using something you are not used to lol
I would even offer that everytime i use it, i send you a PM so you can comment on my incorrect usage ;-)
Alas, poor atomicbocks, they learnt that people spelt some words differently in other parts of the world. Whilst they knew what was meant, 'twixt comment and reply all their indignation swept them up. They dreamt of a world in which they telt all speakers of the tongue how they ought to have exprest it
And all but two of these examples can still be heard regularly where I am!
Here in the U.S., we cover the Greek stuff A LOT. Like it is hammered into your head. The reason for this is, of course, the U.S. sees itself as the heir to Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism, so we have to really emphasize that in our conditionin.... Uhhh education.
No, the reason is that the storytelling methods which we still use to this day originated in Greek drama and comedy. It’s foundational for a complete understanding of literature, theater, poetry, and indeed most all art forms. Any education without at least a significant time spent on the classics is utterly worthless.
I don't remember learning about the Greek myths in Canada's (Ontario) public school either. I heard about them for the first time when I studied it in a university history class. We did ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt as a young kid but I don't believe the myths were mentioned.
Learnt and learned are both used as the past participle and past tense of the verb to learn. Learned is the generally accepted way of spelling it in the United States and Canada, while the rest of the English-speaking world seems to prefer learnt for now.
Why for now? The American English tendency toward making irregular verbs into regular ones has started influencing British English, which is why the -edvariant is being used increasingly around the world. Soon, learned might be the most common form everywhere.
no, that was unintentional. But if you really like my mistakes as a non-native speaker you can print them out, stick them to the bedroom wall and masturbate to them to fuel your superiority; i aim to please.
Edit: I looked it up, it's correct. You can still use it as a masturbatory template if you wish so.
"More commonly used" doesn't mean that the other is incorrect, as your comment implies. Also, it's only more common in the US, and we can't tell where the person is from by his initial comment.
I'm from the EU and originally learnt (haha) UK English, but since i'm a net citizen, some americanisms have found their way into my vocabulary - understandable when taking US exceptionalism into account.
"Less common" is not the same as "wrong", and it's doubly not the same as "wrong" when it actually just means "normal in other dialects of the language"
It's considered informal, and in some dialects (mine included) unusual. The Grammarly link you edited into your first comment doesn't even support a classification of "learnt" as informal, it literally just describes it as a dialect difference. You're doing the same thing as telling a Brit that they're spelling the word incorrectly if they write "colour"
To be fair, Nolan has named a protagonist Protagonist in the past; if you don't know the origin of the word Mentor, it would not be unreasonable to assume as OP did
My favorite character name is still Hiro Protagonist. Nominative determinism at its best. Or maybe they just forgot to update the placeholder name before going to print.
I like to think that at some point, Hiro changed his name because he thinks that highly of himself. Like, the opening speel about the "Deliverator" is just what his internal monologue is saying all the time.
As far as i know, the film is based on the actual Odyssey (unless they decided to ruin it?) So i don't see why Nolan would do something like this, assuming that it was just another Nolan bad naming scheme make little sense unless you don't know what is the Odyssey (which is kinda strange)
I'm trying to remember if we studied greek and roman mythology in school, or if I just read about it on my own. Did I read the Odyssey for fun??? Maybe it was on those "read something from this list" summer reading assignments.
I think I learned about the Achilles heel thing earlier because an art teacher had walking issues and talked about it. I'm not sure that counts as learning it in school except in the technical sense.
Can’t confirm for everyone, but can confirm that 7th grade is when my school district explored ancient history.
I still remember being told the story of the origin of Phoenician purple (pigment/dye.) Something about a dog biting a snail on a beach and its mouth turning purple/blue. I think it stuck in my memory because my first thought was that the snail poisoned the dog, and I was shocked at how casually the teacher told such a sad story. But the teacher continued on to say it was just a pigment covering his face, and I was relieved.
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Odysseus: "Its time for us to embark on our Odyssey."
Crew: "Our what now?"
Odysseus: "A long an arduous trip named after its only survivor."
Crew: "Oh, ok... wait a minute..."
I had a friend do this. Not in the theatre, but a week later when we were talking about the movie. I wasn't sure how to tell him without embarrassing him, but he joked about it himself later.
I'm just excited for all the "historically accurate" cyclops, witches, demi gods, and magic objects that the conservatives are going to have in their AI remakes!
/s (just in case)
betting we're gonna get this kinda feedback on the Neuromancer tv adaption
I genuinely believe that some people are just completely unaware of anything made before their birth.
Like they actively choose not to be aware, to the point of calling out a re-telling of a literally ancient tale for tropes it literally invented.
"The universe started when I was about six years old."
"...and will end when I die!"
A fellow HI-tter!
It's harder when you have words that people are native language to but you're using it like you just invented a word, even if it is the original origin and it's used slightly differently.
I remember there was a post asking what Superman's kryptonite was. I hope it was a joke.
I'm pretty sure that was a joke.
But they never discovered a papyrus ending in /s.
Low effort satire just makes people worry lmao
Smartest Twitter user.
The Achilles thing made me chuckle. And then it made me weep a bit because general education seems to be dead. I learnt about the Trojan war and attached mythology at school, doesn't that happen anymore or is it an attention issue?
Maybe it's just anything Greek. I remember reading a comment chain right here on Lemmy like 6 months ago, something about a thing/machine/software named Prometheus. One commenter wondered why they'd name themselves after an Alien movie.
Ouch. Prometheus himself would probably have turned around and returned the fire where it came from if he knew about that.
"I still get punished for helping those idiots thousands of years ago? Boy, that was so not worth it."
Right!? The Alien from 'Kablam!' who taught Bob deserves better than that.
Yeah, after suffering so much.
That's not how forethought works!!
I don't think I ever covered any Greek myths in school in the UK. Like many others I did have an interest in them so I did read the Iliad and Odyssey in my school years (though I don't remember which translations). We did cover a few Norse myths; the bit of the Prose Edda with the giant Skrymir was one that stuck with me for some reason
At the end of the day there is simply far too much history to give everyone an overview of all of the big things. There are interesting aspects of the relationship between myth, history, historiography, and archaeology that I expect Troy could be a great subject for, but I don't think there's anything so unique about it that it has to be a topic
Here in german speaking central europe i learnt (i wont stop using it just to piss @[email protected] off lol) about the wars among the greek citystates, with references to Homer, and later on when learning Latin (which i sucked at, but that's not so important right now) we read excerpts and learnt (hahaha roflcopter) about the mythology a lot more. There also were references to the Greek mythology in our literature classes.
Thanks for letting me live rent free in your head!
Dude i'm just chuckling when i see you pop up. We could make a running gag out of it if you are up to it - i keep using "learnt" and you keep shitting on me for using something you are not used to lol
I would even offer that everytime i use it, i send you a PM so you can comment on my incorrect usage ;-)
And all but two of these examples can still be heard regularly where I am!
Here in the U.S., we cover the Greek stuff A LOT. Like it is hammered into your head. The reason for this is, of course, the U.S. sees itself as the heir to Athenian Democracy and Roman Republicanism, so we have to really emphasize that in our conditionin.... Uhhh education.
No, the reason is that the storytelling methods which we still use to this day originated in Greek drama and comedy. It’s foundational for a complete understanding of literature, theater, poetry, and indeed most all art forms. Any education without at least a significant time spent on the classics is utterly worthless.
I don't remember learning about the Greek myths in Canada's (Ontario) public school either. I heard about them for the first time when I studied it in a university history class. We did ancient Greece, Rome, and Egypt as a young kid but I don't believe the myths were mentioned.
Is this intentional irony?
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We were taught that it was only okay to use T in some words that end in D, for instance build -> built.
“Learnt” is how the British spell the past tense of “learn.” It’s perfectly valid.
Prescriptivist assholes being wrong is like the sweetest nectar
no, that was unintentional. But if you really like my mistakes as a non-native speaker you can print them out, stick them to the bedroom wall and masturbate to them to fuel your superiority; i aim to please.
Edit: I looked it up, it's correct. You can still use it as a masturbatory template if you wish so.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/learnt -> past tense and past participle of learn in american english.
From your own link…
But I guess reading would get in the way of being a pervert.
"More commonly used" doesn't mean that the other is incorrect, as your comment implies. Also, it's only more common in the US, and we can't tell where the person is from by his initial comment.
I'm from the EU and originally learnt (haha) UK English, but since i'm a net citizen, some americanisms have found their way into my vocabulary - understandable when taking US exceptionalism into account.
"Less common" is not the same as "wrong", and it's doubly not the same as "wrong" when it actually just means "normal in other dialects of the language"
Ain’t is in the dictionary, it’s still considered incorrect.
It's considered informal, and in some dialects (mine included) unusual. The Grammarly link you edited into your first comment doesn't even support a classification of "learnt" as informal, it literally just describes it as a dialect difference. You're doing the same thing as telling a Brit that they're spelling the word incorrectly if they write "colour"
I think you are confusing informal and irregular in this case.
To be fair, Nolan has named a protagonist Protagonist in the past; if you don't know the origin of the word Mentor, it would not be unreasonable to assume as OP did
Isn't that character named as such only in the script with their name never being mentioned in the movie itself?
My favorite character name is still Hiro Protagonist. Nominative determinism at its best. Or maybe they just forgot to update the placeholder name before going to print.
I like to think that at some point, Hiro changed his name because he thinks that highly of himself. Like, the opening speel about the "Deliverator" is just what his internal monologue is saying all the time.
I assumed he was talking about some Amazonian
I think Neal Stephenson was just being funny as it was (more or less) his first book.
As far as i know, the film is based on the actual Odyssey (unless they decided to ruin it?) So i don't see why Nolan would do something like this, assuming that it was just another Nolan bad naming scheme make little sense unless you don't know what is the Odyssey (which is kinda strange)
Woosh
Explain the joke please
The joke is the whole thread. You are correct, the film is based on the Greek epic, so the character names come from Homeros.
Your comment is absolutely correct, just redundant.
I'm trying to remember if we studied greek and roman mythology in school, or if I just read about it on my own. Did I read the Odyssey for fun??? Maybe it was on those "read something from this list" summer reading assignments.
I think I learned about the Achilles heel thing earlier because an art teacher had walking issues and talked about it. I'm not sure that counts as learning it in school except in the technical sense.
I want to say 7th grade in the usa it was mandatory reading and I hated every fucking word.
Can’t confirm for everyone, but can confirm that 7th grade is when my school district explored ancient history.
I still remember being told the story of the origin of Phoenician purple (pigment/dye.) Something about a dog biting a snail on a beach and its mouth turning purple/blue. I think it stuck in my memory because my first thought was that the snail poisoned the dog, and I was shocked at how casually the teacher told such a sad story. But the teacher continued on to say it was just a pigment covering his face, and I was relieved.
I do this intentionally sometimes, for shits and giggles, but Poe's law guarantees that someone will inevitably miss the joke.
Edgar Allen Poe was a lawyer?
Lawyers don't write laws, dumbass.
Edgar Allen Poe was a legislator.
What did he translate again?
No no you’re thinking of translator
What Poe did was amplify or switch electrical signals
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Haha i le trolled you!!!!
Fuck, you whooshed me.