Ancient Greek gender identity was more of a "scale" of manliness
Sexuality was not an identity but a phase
The roles of penetrator and penetrated were split along the division of adult male and anyone else
An adult man receiving another was taboo
Young adult men were expected to court an adolescent lover
Adolescent men were to make them work for it (but also ultimately accept their role)
Full adults (late twenties) were to take a wife (usually adolescent girls) and stop pursuing boys
Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.
Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.
All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.
Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?
Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"
Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick
Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.
Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.
*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.
The other day I saw Moe referenced not in an animé context and was like 😬 - as a fan of animé and similar styled art I know moe as an alt term for lolicore.
There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.
No, ironically the Spartans in the movie made fun of the Athenians by calling them boy lovers. Which is hilarious considering that Spartan society was way more homosexual than Athenian society.
Idk, maybe if there was even a single reference to Spartan homosexuality then maybe. But Spartans were just depicted as beautiful strong who all loved their beautiful strong wives.
Lol, I think you might be giving it more credit than it deserves. I'm not sure if there is a lot of subtext in the movie 300. The writing in that movie is pretty minimal and straight forward. It's just a shoddy framework for some interesting (for the time) visual effects.
That is unless you think Zack Snyder was purposely creating media that would fascinate future chuds for years to come. Imo it's just the movie your average 14 year old boy would make in the 00s.
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This is the same kind of manosphere twitterbro circlejerk logic that brought us this
I feel like my brain is being nerfed every day.
I think this man should learn that even looking through gay porn you can sort by categories.
Tales of Times Forgotten: Just How Gay Were the Ancient Greeks Really?
The gist of it is
Also noteworthy is that preadolescents were off-limits. "Technically, it's ephebophilia" doesn't make it less fucked up, but it's also a distinction I suspect some of the "it was normal in Ancient Greece" chuds to overlook. Paedophilia wasn't acceptable back then either.
Men who courted other adult men were indeed seen as effeminate though. The post got that part right. But so were adults that failed to move on from their half-man phase of courting boys. I suspect those chuds miss that as well.
All in all, Ancient Greek ideas of sexuality don't neatly map onto modern ones, and they sure weren't progressive.
Look, I'm against age verification for privacy/democracy purposes. But like, can we have a dialogue pop up that asks whether or not we're ready for this kind of nonsense in our day?
Why the fuck do people give that many fucks over how other people fuck? What does it matter?
Because some ancient sex manuals written by ancient goat herders said that gay sex is gross, but it also said love thy neighbor, and none of the peasants at that time had the wherewithal to think "hey maybe only one of those things actually makes sense"
Edit: I'm not giving the peasants enough credit - a bunch of them probably did have the wherewithal, but the people in power murdered them for questioning the ancient sex manual, so that stopped that pretty quick
Nah, the ancients didn't give a fuck. Greek, Roman, Egyptian... Love is love and sex is sex
I'm talking different ancients - the Judeans, Samaritans, Palestinians, etc
Shouldn't have let them write the books. Single God was an error.
And it's fucked how if you explore more than one religion, faith or spiritual practice you're considered a heretic.
Because they're also gay but can't accept it
Yep, my heart goes out to @nomad understanding his feelings some day.
Sometimes it's "reaction formation". They like a thing. That makes them uncomfortable. They instead go hard in the other direction - they hate the thing it's horrible and bad and the worst.
Sometimes they're just... basic, and need the world to fit into simple boxes. Anything else stresses their brain.
Yeah it's something you see around when you start looking for it. It's such an unhappy but easy means to preserve ego
Amen to this! Let people be, let people fuck what ever they want.
*In some sensible guardrails, let's exclude kids and maybe dead people, animals and such, you know. But as long as there's consent, I don't give a fuck.
Harkness rule ftw.
Captain Jack Harkness? Good example.
If I were the Face of Bo, I wouldn't bother with strange ideas of heterosexuality as well.
Don't the Greeks and Roman's have a lot of stereotypical butt jokes made about them?
Why does Romans get an apostrophe but not Greeks and jokes?
Also:
####s: plural form####'s: expresses ownerHey now, the ancients were ped erasts, not ped ophiles. The fancy term makes it okay!
(Just don't point out that the difference is that pederasty means same-sex pedophilia. Or do! I wonder how they'd react.)
How is there another nuanced difference in terminology for sexual attraction to children (that I didn't know yet)
Wait until you see the new PR hotness that is MAP (Minor Attracted Person)
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Eight-year-olds, dude.
Because that one is mainly used by historians, not pedos trying to move the goalposts so they can pretend they aren't one.
What's it called when a man loves a 600-year-old dragon in the body of an 8-year-old?
loli, which is just more pedophilia
The other day I saw Moe referenced not in an animé context and was like 😬 - as a fan of animé and similar styled art I know moe as an alt term for lolicore.
What does he means with "ancient homosexuality" vs "feminized homosexuality" ? And then why he even cares about it?
There is actually a pretty big gap between ancient and modern ideas of male on male intercourse. It's an interesting rabbit hole to go down if you get the chance.
I'd rather go down a man hole given the conversation we're currently having.
They made homosex woke. Enough said
Ruined the gay sex for the rest of us. Smdh
Hell yah brother noting gay about pounding another dude as long as that dude is super masculine.
All tops in ancient Greece. That's how wrestling started.
We must return to Gachimuchi
The ancient Greek hate when you feminize the little boys they rape, everyone knows this.
They must be thinking about Hollywood’s depiction of exaggerated “manly” Spartan homosexuality. They just want to LARP 300 so bad, you guys.
Did they actually show any homosexuality in the movie 300?
No, ironically the Spartans in the movie made fun of the Athenians by calling them boy lovers. Which is hilarious considering that Spartan society was way more homosexual than Athenian society.
I always interpreted it as a Spartan preference for grown men over boys.
Like more Freddie Mercury and less Judy Garland, please.
Idk, maybe if there was even a single reference to Spartan homosexuality then maybe. But Spartans were just depicted as beautiful strong who all loved their beautiful strong wives.
The subtext speaks louder than the text in 300.
Lol, I think you might be giving it more credit than it deserves. I'm not sure if there is a lot of subtext in the movie 300. The writing in that movie is pretty minimal and straight forward. It's just a shoddy framework for some interesting (for the time) visual effects.
That is unless you think Zack Snyder was purposely creating media that would fascinate future chuds for years to come. Imo it's just the movie your average 14 year old boy would make in the 00s.
Subtext need not be intentional.
I couldn't really tell you, I was... distracted.
I have a gay friend, that mf jumpscared our GC so many time with photos on instagram of gay man that are more manly than nomad1941_001-35m