Do You Disregard People IRL who You Know ask AI everything?
Now a days people refer to AI instantly for an answer. Maybe it's a problem they could have solved within 10min in their head or a question they could have done an internet search on and read a few forums to figure out. However, now people go straight to AI which is known to give many many wrong answers.
I know a couple people that fit this bill and now I almost completely disregard what they say. We'll even be talking face to face and they'll ask AI something from our conversation in real time.
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It definitely colors my opinion knowing someone routinely uses GenAI and LLM's, especially if it's for little things like writing an email, because I write my own emails and a unique voice is important to me. I feel like writing something in my own voice is a way of showing respect for other people and their time.
Basically it makes me think a person is either lazy or ignorant.
Yeah, I agree.
I'm someone who, when overwhelmed by life (often), opening and reading emails is disproportionately difficult for me. The idea of spending the time and energy to read an email that someone couldn't even be bothered to write is offensive to me
I separate those people.
If they said, "Chatgpt said... " And they are completely confident that it's correct, I disregard them. This includes the AI cucks who send literal screenshots from AI as some sort of "proof".
If they said, "The AI slop I got was... " Then they're more likely to critically think about it. They know this is a third voice, rather than the definite answer.
We call it "Our drunk friend" since its always confident and nice but also spits out bullshit at random.
The potential answer could be vs. the answer is.
I occasionally do the later, I always give a "take this with a pinch of salt" kinda thing because I know from personal experience LLMs love to spew out complete garbage.
I only ever use it for surface level yes/no type questions. The sort of thing that a 5 year old bothers their Dad about, inconsequential trivia.
This is what I think is fine.
Asking AI about the meaning of some TV show finale or if a movie is worth watching. Have it help you research travel ideas. Ask if it's true pirates had wooden cocks. Dumb shit.
Where it's really fucky is when people using it to do political arguments, have it find legal loopholes (haha fuck you CEO of Krafton), generate essays and creative work (oh fuck all those ai blogs and ai art)...
It's lazy as hell and unfortunately, people are lazy and refuse to go beyond the immediate AI answer.
I think it's really useful for getting my bearings when I'm not even sure where to begin on a question. Like if I have no idea what the right terminology is to find what I'm looking for, I can use an LLM to figure out what I should even be searching in the first place. After that I'm better equipped to start doing my own research.
Seems reasonable
With search engines propping up AI answers and even newsrooms using AI, its the unfortunate norm now.
Im fine with them if they say claude made, or chatgpt made, not "I made"
I don't know anyone like you describe (at least, not nearly this level of bad).
But I want to offer a more positive contra-example. Since AI has become ubiquitous, I have become a lot more forgiving of mediocrity in human made stuff, whether that's a piece of art or other media, or simply someone trying to articulate themselves, but poorly. I'm way more likely to work harder to try to understand the point that someone is making, and to see the thing I'm engaging with as an earnest attempt to communicate with another person.
In a weird way, I think that AI has made me a better person because of this. It's reminded me of what things truly have value
I like that. Thanks for sharing
Lowered expectations
I don't think it's a lowering of expectations — it feels like more of a qualitative difference. Like, the thing I'm looking for now is for someone to have given a fuck about what they're trying to say. "Earnestness" is probably a good word for it.
Another factor in this is probably the fact that I was one of those kids who was at the top of my class for my entire school life, then went away to a prestigious university that just made me ramp up the pressure on myself even more. For a long while, I had built so much of my identity up around being smart, which led to me becoming overly preoccupied with ensuring I appeared smart too.
To give a concrete example, I'm a scientist who isn't particularly well read, and for a long while, I held myself back from really engaging with the humanities, because I felt like I needed to stay in my lane and not make a fool of myself by having ill-informed or incorrect opinions on things like art or literature. I was too up in my head to be able to read a poem and actually have my own emotional response; internally, I'd be orienting myself around what seemed like the "correct" response. Ironically, being overly preoccupied with appearing smart led me to act quite dumb (though fortunately I met many delightful humanities nerds while I was at university, who were excited to both help me learn bits of the technical theory, whilst also being enthusiastic about my own crude, unrefined opinions).
So yeah, I used to be overly fixated on ideas of correctness and good execution in basically everything, and that made me hold back from engaging with my passion for the world, for fear of being wrong. I guess the point I'm making here is that my recalibration with respect to AI has also come alongside a personal arc in which I am learning to open up and let myself care about things without having to be good at them.
For instance, I am a deeply mediocre musician, but I have a lot of fun jamming with friends. I wouldn't have been able to do this 10 years ago. So when I see someone being courageous enough to actually try to say or make something meaningful, I respect the guts of it, even if the execution is not great. A human can learn how to communicate better, but an LLM will never be able to actually give a fuck about what it says
You obviously put a lot of thought into this and I appreciate that. When I said lowered expectations I was more commenting on how AI is deskilling people. I don't think this is a huge problem just yet, but I have a suspicion that it will be in the future.
Hence the lowered expectations. Not as a commentary on your own personal lense but more about AI impacts in general.
Of course this is exactly what was said about the new technology of photography. If you look at what people had to say about it you would be surprised how similar it is to modern day critiques of AI.
https://medium.com/@elarson39/photography-was-historically-considered-arts-most-mortal-enemy-is-ai-69a2dc2f43ef
Yes. Husbands brother is in education, literal librarian/research background and has a chatgpt subscription and won't stfu about it. Can't stand it. Use your brain, fuck AI.
Sounds quite uneducated honestly.
That it has been labeled AI was one of the biggest tricks they ever could pull Off. People literally think there is intelligence.
People like to Take what the First google result jacked Out. With "AI" it got even worse. "Nobody" is questioning shit anymore.
Boss brought in a guy from some neighboring company doing smart screens or something, hyped how innovative they were. So we did an informal chat over lunch where I got to explain our domain and approach. Asked him his thoughts and he said I should ask AI. Like why am I even talking to the guy.
Yes, I disregard idiots but that was true before AI too.
I also disregard any screenshots of Google ai overview, it's been proven to be easily manipulated.
I disregard all of these people where I can. I can't disregard my CEO, and he does it more than anyone I have encountered.
I feel for you, cause I'm in the same position. The upper management class seem to be particularly drawn to LLMs.
Yes. It's a clear sign that someone is... well, slow.
The thing is the people I thought about when writing this aren't slow or dumb. However, for some reason they decided to jump on the bandwagon of new technology and let the convenience win
For a couple years, the ChatBOT reliance was isolated to people I didn't trust for answers in the first place. But now I see it creeping into the circles I thought would never trust it. I just hope they're vetting anything beyond trivial information (but I mean, why blindly trust trivial information from a chatbot in the first place? You wanted the correct answer, didn't you?)
It's not like trusting Wikipedia. It's not like trusting an encyclopedia. It's not like trusting a textbook. All of those take a plethora of sources to write their articles, cite their sources, then publish a single, public article that anyone can review. ChatBOTs take unspecified sources, summarizes them, and provides you a private response that undergoes no review. The only way to confirm accuracy is to already know the facts. If you did, you probably wouldn't be asking.
On the other side of things, I need to evaluate an AI debugging tool and I feel like a tool any time I need to ask a colleague if what it just said makes any sense when I don't know an area that well that they are better with. I don't get how people can cite LLM output without being embarrassed about it, mortified even.
Seems like an evolution of people having opinions on stuff they hardly know anything about. Like headline reading or politics of a country they don't reside in
I do the same. The worst perpetrators I personally know are the management in the company I work for. My boss knows nothing about the field he is managing and uses ChatGPT all the time. Before I knew this, I thought he was technically ignorant but a fairly intelligent person. Now I can see ChatGPT's influence in every single email he sends out, and every half baked idea he has. He's influenced at least 3 other people in management to do the same thing. It's all so generic and infuriating when I have to interact with them through the written word.
Unfortunately I can't totally ignore them, and I've had to shoot down more stupid ideas in the past year than any other time in my life...
I immediately ignore anything they have to say if they can't do a lick of critical thinking of their own.
I have coworkers who use AI. Im in education. The kids fucking hate it. But then the little shits use it on their assignments.
Well, I would trust a 9th century BCE doctor from anywhere in the world to diagnose me for internal bleeding before I trust anything someone who relies on genAI says to me. Could literally be just their name and I would immediately presume it's fake and they asked genAI for a name.
As far as possible, yes.
Yes. I have a family member who has to ask Claude everything, and he gets back these self-affirming answers that further cement his already-held opinions.
Its existence depends on you liking it, and it is programmed to suck up to you
I've heard of the sycophatic behavior but never heard from someone specifically from an experience themselves. That's crazy to hear
I have instructed mine to be dismissive, insulting, and question everything I say.
It works pretty well for getting answers.
I hate what AI is doing to society, the people who own it and are weaponizing it, but I think it's silly to claim it is useless.
It's great for getting quick answers that would take twenty minutes to google.
You just have to be not a fucking dumbass and not believe what it says outright and also know within which categories it can be trusted and which not.
It's ok to be politically opposed to AI and also acknowledge its practical uses.
I’ve had some bad experiences using it for quick answers. I tried it to summarize studies for an open book exam, and it gave me some blatantly wrong answers, as well as some answers that would change based on how I posed the question. I’m not saying it’s entirely useless, but you have to check the source on everything it tells you, at which point you end up doing the reading yourself anyway.
That has been my experience too
Genuinely, what you get from AI is what you put in. If you're a dumb asshole, you will get dumb asshole shit. If you're not, it's a serious boon.
Let's separate the use of the tool from the people who deploy it.
AI is fucking evil, because of the implementation, not because of what it is.
This was always inevitable.
Capitalism is the monster.
Ok. Yeah me too.
I studied psychology and philosophy and I know perfectly well when I'm being bullshitted.
It's havoc that ordinary people use AI as a surrogate for free thought, but stop saying it's useless.
The issue is who controls the AI, and how much of the dwindling Earth resources we have left it consumes.
But AI in itself has plenty of great uses.
That's all I have to say.
I don't disregard them, but I do think less of them.
I was having an existential crisis about climate change, talking to a woman about it, and she used AI to summarize why I shouldn't be so worried.
It, uh, didn't help.
Those situations make me think, am I talking to you or someone else because I asked you for an opinion, not an AI...
I do because those people are fascists or catering to them. AI in its present form is unethical by its nature. Imprison the thieving billionaire surveillance cartel and more options open up.
Depends on how you use it. I respect people who generally try to improve their knowledge before just talking shit. Most important think is to process and criticize the info you are searching and not spewing it out like a parrot.
Its a tool, thats frequently wrong and I'm pretty much against it... but no, I don't disregard people who use it and I have used it plenty at work for menial tasks.
i'm just worried, thasall
Most of the people I know who do that are people who I already don't respect. It really pisses me off when people who are smart and should know better do it.
How many times until you disregard them?. Is it like if you see someone using it one time or is it after the tenth time? What's the cutoff or frequency compared to a standard search? Is it if 50%+ of their searches are through AI or is it like 5%+?
If you actively use AI once I no longer respect your opinion.
Seems a tad extreme. So like If a medical professional actively uses alpha fold to develop a treatment you no longer respect their opinion?
So are you paid by the comment or what?
Wait, they're not paying you?
That's something I'm in the process of figuring out. My Spidey senses are on high alert for if what these people say sound like it could be from AI or their own brain functioning. It's sad that I have to put effort into discerning a difference. Some of these people use AI more than the others. I know one really does seem to rely on Perplexity quite a bit
How do you feel like a Wikipedia level of usage? That is it pulls links to actual research and studies that are then verified? Of course not all research is created equally.
That goes into the topic if how credible any given study is and would need to be looked into first hand regardless of finding it on Wikipedia or through AI. Pretty much everything and everyone's opinion has a bias, more so now a days with politics putting a spin into everything and LLMs are also created with biases. I don't trust AI to give a credible answer, it consistently gives incorrect answers, I don't have much reason to give people credibly if they constantly spout what an AI told them
You kinda totally avoided actually answering the question. Like you said a lot about aspects of the question without actually answering it.
disregard? mostly. they can be somewhat entertaining once in a while long as theyre not in charge of anything
True that
That's not my criteria.
I also don't disregard people who spurt out everything they hear on TicTok either, though that's arguably worse.
At least AI ingested it somewhere and isn't directly fabricating a problem so it can sell me a product to fix it. It's still reasonably likely to be either wrong or at least somewhat misleading.
I give the annoying AI "researchers" at least some small amount of credit for trying to look stuff up.
And it's kind of fun to inform them they were misinformed. Extra credit points if you ask an AI right after they ask theirs with qualifiers like cite your source for this answer and don't include any quotes that didn't come from subject matter experts.
Think about it. Think about it a bit more. Are you still sure about it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bixonimania is just an example how incorrect you are.
LLMs do ingest fabricated problems and pass on the product that fixes it.
Not only from via third party data injection (aka "poisoning"), but also by design.
You're positioning like I'm saying that it can't be wrong. Think about your reaction to what I wrote without prompting. You have bias here.
Not what I said, not even close,
"At least AI ingested it somewhere and isn’t directly fabricating a problem so it can sell me a product to fix it"
is not the same as
You're so agressive against anything AI that when someone says anything even moderately neutral, you have to attack them.
Think about that...
edit: also in before the downvotes: if I don't get -50 on this post, I'll be VERY disappointed with the made-up useless karma deficit.
Lol. Invent being oppressed victim more
I tried but i'm not getting enough downvotes, I REALLY was expecting more
Is your point LLM is not "directly" fabricating a problem?
Thats... A lie. It read 3 bixonimania fake articles. It spread it to masses. If that's not directly fabricating a problem (out of nothing burger), then your criteria what "directly fabricating a problem" is, are very, very interesting.
No, it's not. Unless you think it's an active thinking breathing thing.
Can you car fabricate a problem? Can a hammer lie to you?
get out of here with that
No, it's the same as searching the web or your local library. Perfect information simply doesn't exist at scale so one must know how to verify any source and use basic baysian thought.
The article in your library/wikipedia/forum takes 10 contributors and publishes a single, public article for which all can see it. Chatbots take 10 contributions and summarizes them into a single, private article that undergoes no review whatsoever. If you don't already know the answer, you have no inclination as to what's true. It's nowhere near the same.
Nope, statistically information was just unreliable. And before internet is even worse. Doomers just don't want to believe we're actually not regressing but I get it - the real answer is just too boring.
It's consistently wrong with basic searches for me in the Google AI overview, like who played a certain role in a show, or voiced a character. I don't trust ai to be accurate even in the slightest.
Two completely different answers with back to back searches.
Just a quick example of how confidently incorrect it is. Fuck AI
As someone who did enough SEO work for a lifetime the pre-ai internet was likely even less reliable. People have rose tinted glasses on.
But we didn't just blindly trust it. People trusting AI answers way too much.
Yes we did.
I judge people for lack of critical thinking. Cheating your way through med school doesn’t inspire confidence when under your scalpel.
Yes. It's getting weird. Had a coworker ask me a question if something was possible. I said yes. He said: no, ai said it wasn't. I didn't understand why he asked me if he knew the answer already lol. They just accept ai as truth, can't take those people seriously.
He asked you for that exact reason... but then you gave him an answer he didn't want. He may or may not have known what answer he wanted but as soon as you gave it he knew he wanted it to be something else. The quickest way to get a second opinion, was to ask the LLM.
If it had hallucinated the answer he wanted, he would have demanded going that route, because the AI said so, even if it was literally impossible.
And in his mind, this reinforced the AI as being correct, so he's will be more likely to blindly accept it's responses in the future.
Confirmation bias is one hell of a drug and AI is our supplier. It'll be our downfall
I know a guy who does that. He used to be smart, but it feels like those antivax who refer to other people instead of using their brain. When he begins to talk about AI results, I zone out, and I'm starting to disregard everything he says, AI or not.
friend of me also: So i asked the ai and it said.... yeah whatever dude i don't care
even worst when a tech guy, i know relies on it all the time.
I know only one person who's completely fallen under the spell, but yes.
Though to be fair, I already disregarded most of what he said since he's a reactionary conservative who spends his days pouring right-wing podcasts into his ears at 1.5x. But at least on topics other than politics, he used to be fairly knowledgeable and trustworthy.
But since he's started telling me how impressed he is by how smart Claude is (since it tells him what he wants to hear), I've started disregarding everything he says, regardless of topic.
Yes. It's getting to be more of a problem where it's easier not to think. I don't see this trend ending well.
I know whenever I'm at work and someone uses AI to try to answer a question where they are not qualified to validate an AI response, I don't trust anything that person says.
Yes. A friend's brother developed the habit to look up stuff during conversation when something is unclear. He uses voice for that, so you see him whisper to his phone all the time when you or others are speaking. Weirded me out.
That's maybe a weird way to go about it, but I don't see an issue with fact-checking in real time. I'm aware many other people don't like it, but I don't give a shit. If it's wrong, it's wrong. However, the source musslt be trustworthy and ChatBOT is not.
Sure, but he's also talking (to ChatGPT) while others are talking. That weirds me out. Quickly pausing and looking up a fact is fine.
my older brother relies on AI, hes in TECH too, well laid off years ago. but almost 100% and he does that to with AI. even a simple search on reddit will give you a proper answer.
Probably how he got laid off
this was way before AI became as as aggressive as now, it was the first round of layoffs in '23. he along with many other companies were laying people off in anticipation of AI, this was beofre AI usage was common.
I've gotten my llm using friends to preface it with "the lying liar that lies says" which has in turn led to a sharp upturn in "but also the top link says" and generally helps keep me alert.
Yes i do; My sister and her husband work in tech and they have become that kind of people that ask chat GTP for everything. I think what gets me the most is not that they ask AI but that they do so on the most obvious inconsequential things. I also hate when they use it as a research tool or to get a quick superficial answer. I often tell them I don't care what AI has to say.
For some reason when people share AI music; it really grinds my gears. I am not a musician but a long time music fan and for some reason any type of AI generated music is an existential insult to me, aside from the fact that it all sucks.
This is terrifying. I would have thought tech professionals would be the most resistant to AI. Job openings in tech are becoming scarce and people seem to have to take a pledge of allegisnce to LLMs to bpget a shoe in.
The most existentially terrifying thing about it is that it's not about education or overall intelligence, but personality. And even then, there's an emotional edge to it that may catch people in particularly vulnerable states.
Like a virus is a load of DNA being driven by a questionably alive entity, AI is a load of emotional signal being driven by a questionably conscience one (though I still argue not, I think the analogy stands). Education and intelligence can help ward it some, but people are complex and there's no telling what subsystems or random strings it manages to hook onto.
I have a background in CS and AI (from the early 00's, don't be too impressed) and have friends in linguistics. ML and more specifically LLMs have been on my radar for a long while and I am aware of their possible uses, but I'm tired of having to hedge every conversation around it. What we need to do is cultivate a strong social and cultural boundary for ourselves.
I heard someone say that the only thing AI should be used for is stuff people never should have been doing in the first place, things like catching spam/phishing out of your email. GenAI is just pure abomination.
Fucking this!
I'm getting a CS degree now and even though the math still eludes me quite a bit, just understanding that LLMs are essentially a bunch of Linear Algebra and Matrix Multiplication calculations to weight a series of vector scored words to approximate desired output demystifies the whole thing and makes me very angry that this is what is being sold as the next big thing.
It's not. It's an impressive milestone in Reinforcement Learning achieved in 2017. The use cases and prevalence of "AI" has less to do with it being an impressive piece of tech, and more a reflection of the failures of humans, specifically humans in the tech sector.
I think it's more impressive from back then. Nowadays there are so many people doing AI studies that it seems like it's just the "generic and uninspired" degree choice, and since it's a new tech you can pick any little thing to hone in on for a dissertation. Maybe i'm wrong?
I don't think I know anyone who does that.
You think you don't know anyone.
I asked an LLM, and it confirmed they don't know anyone like that.
i know, my older bro who is tech after the layoffs, uses AI for most things, and keep saying AI to look for answer, when asking him a simple question. he think its useful to help with "planning you career too"
anything biological is often always wrongly interpreted in AI. i would say, why dont you use AI to write a resume, since you havnt been employed since the layoffs began(granted being in tech before layoffs he had significant savings to live off for years to come, and since most employers arnt looking for wfh for most people now. like he was tyring to identify certain pests that was attracted to dead animals that were invading the house.
seen it being used as a comment to a certain question on reddit usually something on conditions that is common and that people had experience dealing, yea nobodies going take it seriously especially if it doesnt solve the current problem.
I think those people are in need of a good hard rl slap across the face
yes.
there's someone at work that doesn't read emails or reports, has AI generate the answers for them and just regurgitates the slop unfiltered.
I interact with them until they start posting slop, then I just ignore that they posted it. when I say ignore, I literally pretend that it doesn't even exist.
if they can pretend that slop has value, I can pretend that it doesn't exist.
yes i ignore their input
Just start asking your 5-year-old for counter arguments, as they are likely to be more valid.
Personally, it's people who get answers from some so-called "book" or "university" or "expert" that grind my gears. Like think for yourself maybe?
That's some good sarcasm.
It bugs me, yes. The anthromorphic "ask AI" makes it even worse.
Yes. I know a few folk who've fallen way down the rabbit hole and believe anything the lying machines spit out. When they would get on their soapbox about LLMs or write very obviously ai-generated messages, I made it clear to them that I wanted to hear their thoughts or nothing at all.
For the most part, I got the latter. My mom actually backed down a bit and uses chatgpt at least more judiciously now, especially after I showed her how it makes shit up about stuff within her knowledge base and explained how it was doing that for everything.
Just using slop generators at all makes you a moron in my books. Unfortunately I am something of a moron myself when I use free services in an anonymous browser tab to find out something not clear from documentation.
Put simply, YES.
I generally take everything they say with a giant grain of salt, but that was somewhat true even before 2022. Most of the AI-reliant people I know were never that great at evaluating sources of information. It’s just that the problem is far more pronounced now.
If I knew anyone IRL, damn straight I would.
I've stop reading one source of tech news and at least one fitness youtuber who uses AI. I can do no less for IRL interactions.
I definitely would, yes.
I almost kicked a D&D player for asking AI everything at my table. I begged him to ask me instead. He left shortly after for unrelated reasons.
Because his character died a horrible, yet extremely humiliating death?
Depends what it's used for. Coworkers use it to generate memes a fair bit. I also use it as a starting point for looking stuff up occasionally, partly because so many fucking websites are AI generated now I may as well ask a more direct question to AI instead. Then once I have a more specific answer I can look that up somewhere more reliable.
Recent example there being looking up things to grow in my allotment, give general goals and conditions and get a list of things. Then see what sounds interesting from that list and look that up on the RHS website.
I use it a bit, but generally only for checking my own work and helping me rewrite things so they're less harsh
Tbh I kiiind of do that with everyone. Well, not quite, I take what they say with a big grain of salt and just continue the conversation. A couple exceptions: they are experts in what they're talking about. Or, its some personal experience
Also, quite unfortuntely, nearly 100% of the people around me use AI.
It depends what they ask.
A lot of questions are fairly accurate to ask AI.
Also, some people are smart enough to habe configured their pre-prompt to reduce common issues with AI platforms.
There's a big difference between:
"Hey whats the answer to (esoteric question)"
Vs
"Hey can you find me a paper on (well documented topic)" (and then opening the paper up and reading the actual source)
Using it as a powerful fuzzy search tool with semantic intent is fine.
Its the difference between asking a librarian how to cure cancer, vs asking the librarian to help you quickly find a book on cancer treatments.
But isn't that just a good search engine we should have separate to a LLM at that point? Semantic search doesn't need a full blown chat not in between.
I don't know if anyone I know does this. Im sure most or all use it somewhat but also still use standard searching.
I use AI a ton to find sources for information. Then check sources they used. Just made searching faster for me.
I only ask it complex questions that I know need quite a bit of searching, and take the reply with a grain of salt. It usually gets me in the ballpark but it's not uncommon that I find an even better answer by myself.
Not totally, but if they ask for an answer or ask AI to do something for them so they dont have to think im suspect.
I think AI can be useful, I use it to help me edit and proof my writing, but I specifically wont let it rewrite my words. I will let it make suggestions for clarity and grammar but thats the limit.
I will use AI to generate a meme level image, but im not going to use it for a presentation or as part of something that would have been a paid element.
I have played with using it to help me prototype some software, but I still read all the code, and I still take the time to understand what its writing.
AI replacing your own thoughts is bad, AI helping you refine and extend your thoughts is mostly ok.
This is the type of reasonable that will lead us all to an AI hellscape.
Better be afraid of them new-fangled digital calculators too! Real calculations should be done by people. Having them performed by computers will make us dumber.
It's a tool. It can be used right and wrong. Being afraid of the tool because it is being used wrong doesn't make it go away, and doesn't make it less useful.
You really think a calculator and generative AI are the same thing?
They're both computers that can be used in helpful and harmful ways. Can you deliminate how exactly they are different, beyond scope?
I'm not going to bother...
So your entire complaint is based on vibes and feelings. Got it 👍
No I just know that any reasonable argument I provide won't change anything. Proponents of AI have a similar psychological profile to religious people. Besides if you truly wanted factual information on the differences between AI and "tools" you'd look into it. You don't.
Do you disregard people IRL who you know use a calculator for everything?
If that sounds like a ridiculous question, it's because the use of that tool has become so ingrained in our society that we don't question its use anymore. AI is a new tool and one which can offload a lot of mental work. Such tools have always been controversial. If Plato is to be believed (and that isn't necessarily a given), Socrates complained that writing made men lazy and their minds weak, because they didn't have to exercise their memories and were not taught things, just read facts.
AI is a tool, and it's going to be worked into the fabric of our society, for good or ill. It's also facing a lot of push-back, as have many tools, but that is unlikely to stop it. Will AI make us lazier? Absolutely. That's kinda the point. If necessity is the mother of invention, laziness is the father. So much of human invention is all about ways to not work as hard. Sometimes, this is because we need to improve how we do something, sometimes its because we'd rather be down at the pub sipping a brew while a machine does the hard stuff. Often, it's both.
That said, there is likely to be a lot of pain in the short term as we adjust to the new reality. And it will likely cause another shift in how work happens. Businesses used to have hundreds of people doing nothing but tabulating accounts. Rooms would be full of people just doing math. Now, we have Excel and most of that tedious work is now done by one person at the click of a button. The main problem with the rollout of AI may be one of speed. The same speed which empowers Excel is making the disruption of AI happen at a much faster speed than many of our institutions may be equipped to handle. Or not, there's been some reporting lately that the promises of AI have been severely over-hyped (shocker, AI companies over sold the capabilities of AI, whodathunkit?). We won't really know until we're well past the point of disruption.
So, does it annoy me that people use (and believe) AI to answer relatively simple questions? No not really. Sure, they could take the time to look it up with google, but that is slower and harder. Or they could look it up in a book, which is even slower and harder. Or they could just memorize it and avoid that new fangled writing thing, which is making kids lazy. But, that sort of thing is a dead end. Ai is here, it's a tool people will use. We just need to find a way to educate people about its strengths and limitations. And that is a hard problem, but maybe AI will help us solve it.
A calculator gives consistently correct results.
Yes. If someone tries using their Ti-84 for relation advice, for example, I'd going to disregard all their opinions. It simply isn't a tool for everything. It shouldn't be used as if it were.
Yes, but that means they're using the tool incorrect. I can attempt to jam a wrench on the end of a soldering iron and use it to make a circuit board, that doesn't mean I'm using the tool wrong, and should be justifiably mocked for doing so.
LLMs have their place. The fact they are being wildly abused and misused does not diminish that.
I’ve never had a calculator lie to me. Or hallucinate a number. The AI is a tool argument is getting tired. I haven’t seen it do anything useful at all that helps my day to day life.
I've also never had a use for a rib spreader. That doesn't mean it's not useful in the right setting. I talked through it in a different reply (feel free to use AI to find it), but LLMs and image classifiers do have use cases in particular settings. Just because some folks abuse them and use them for entirely the wrong use cases, doesn't mean they aren't useful in the right ones.
Yes, thank you for making my argument. The average person doesn’t have the right use case scenario in their day to day life.
What a braindead take. The technology behind calculators is not built upon a foundation of the largest theft in history, nor does it continue to cause immense harm to people around the world. The same goes for the other human inventions you mentioned.
You'd understand that if you weren't so desperate to let a random word generator do your thinking for you.
I might need to ask chatgpt to reply to this comment.
In fact if i ever see your username around i will put it into chatgpt and ask it to generate a reply for me, because i can't think for myself.
Sarcasm aside, i don't believe i've ever asked calculator to answer biology question for me. New normal or not, if the tool serve the purpose of a niche use and ease a particular pain point of a job/routine, then it's a proper tool. If the tool meant to replace and impede logical and critical thinking, it's a weapon against personal intellectual, and i'm genuinely worry about that. The lack of critical thinking and nuance in today society of instant gratification is already bad, in fact it's so bad that the climate changed to what we experienced today, and many people still refused to just wake up a bit and think for themselves. The new normal is people just follow what billionaire said, and you think it's okay.
Go for it, it might be kinda funny. A bit of irony in it too, as it would offloading the critical thinking required to engage with an argument you disagree with.
Nor should you, you would be using the wrong tool for the job. I'd also not use a calculator to drive screws, that doesn't invalidate the point. Tools are useful when we use them the right ways. And ya, AI is a terrible tool to offload critical thinking onto. There are use cases where AI makes sense though. Things like image classification and fuzzy searches on large data sets are good use cases for various AI models. One of the problems with AI, at the moment, is that it has been sold as some sort of cure-all that will replace humans and critical thinking. And it's absolutely not that. It's in much the same place as cocaine in the first part of the 20th century. Hucksters are putting "AI" on the label and claiming it will solve everything. The reality is much more nuanced. It has it's uses but they are far more limited than the hucksters are claiming.
Large language models really can be useful for fuzzy searches in large data sets. To give an example from my own work, Copilot is really good at searching Microsoft documentation for me. Could I find the answers with a regular search? Probably, it would also take me longer. Instead, I send Copilot chasing after the answer to that question and go do something else while it finds the answer. They can also help in re-writing for different audiences. I write a lot of technical reports and those need to be summarized for managerial audiences. Yes, I could do that manually, I've done it for years. I also hate doing it. Clippy is good enough at doing it that it can give me a first draft and I can finish it up in far less time and effort.
The biggest issue I have seen with LLMs is exactly what you point out, that people trust them too much and don't think critically about their answers. Again with my work, we use a product that uses an LLM to summarize cybersecurity issues and provides suggestions for response and investigation. It's a pretty well trained model and it's suggestions are pretty good most of the time. But, it falls down spectacularly bad from time to time and the analyst needs to be able to recognize that and respond to the alerts appropriately. Some analysts are better at this than others and this is now part of our training for new analysts. We teach them to use the LLM, but to also always think about the basics and question the LLM when it doesn't seem right.
Image classifiers are another area where I think AI has some good use cases. Consider the job of reviewing images and videos for sites like FaceBook, TikTok or YouTube. The folks who do this work are exposed to a lot of very violent and disturbing media. I used to work with a guy who did computer forensics in a law enforcement setting and he finally left that work because he could deal with having to review CSAM images any more. This seems like the perfect place to slot in an AI image classifier, to make a first pass at it. If it can correctly classify the vast majority of that sort of content, that greatly lessens the workload on the analysts who will need to deal with the borderline stuff and reports of false positives and negatives.
Not at all, but I also think the reactionary "fuck all AI" isn't okay either. It's a tool and it's going to change things. We need to navigate that with a clear head and careful consideration.
I said that sarcastically, which i pointed out at the beginning of my 3rd paragraph, which you missed it. Funny isn't it?
Missed my point, alongside the 4 paragraphs you churned out. I was trying to point out it's a false equivalent because AI can be in and used for anything, calculator can't. The point of this post is about people who use AI for everything, where they offload critical thinking and learning by simply using their brain, so i'm not sure why you trying to argue otherwise which, funny enough, you agreeing it's bad.