I work with an organization that has a "cableman" who goes around and yanks unapproved or unlabeled Ethernet cables from very important server racks. He has complete immunity from any consequences of pulling said cable. If the cable was important, it should have been labelled.
The solution to tackling it was to just not tackle it. See the various dangling cables where something was no longer needed and rather than removing the cable, screw it, it is lost to the entropy.
Not cable management but I used to provide PCs for nonprofits at no charge and took hardware donations to keep it going. I received this donation, and it it was fully functional before I stripped it for parts:
Yeah I was gunna say the least of the visible issues is the dust... that thing looks like its been on a transatlantic boat ride through a sulphuric acid rainstorm
Smoker? I've seen some truly disgusting computers that came from houses where people smoked. Even when they still worked usually the best thing was to just strip them for parts because you'll never get rid of the smell.
Is this all we are? Just a bunch of nerds...some of who like to be naked and do naughty stuff...? Just out to figure out where the others live? 😞😕.
Recently I was able to identify where a porno was shot.... down in Brazil! WTF. I didn't tell anyone where. One day in the distant future I might be able to travel there so I too can claim fame. But why do we do it? We do we try to dox people?
I don't like Windows, but at the point where the laptop updates automatically hasn't it been bugging you about the update for hours or even days? I generally file complaints about bad update timings in the "fucked around and found out" folder
Honestly I don’t even remember, this was a long time ago, but if I recall the shitass Dell computer I was given had an SSD that repeatedly disconnected and required a forced reboot. Updates were managed automatically by the org so I don’t think I was ever prompted to update during my short time there. When I powered the shitter on Windows decided it was apparently a good time to update.
I mean, shouldn't you be able to refuse updates anyway ? Like if there is something you don't like or that will break your workflow in the update, shouldn't you be able to accept the risks and keep the old version indefinitely ?
No, not on a business owned device. The updates should give warnings, of course. Some companies don’t seem to know how to supply those warnings before mandating the install, for some reason.
It doesn’t require „newest technology” (or Intune;)), you could send sensible notifications with SCCM 2007. Not that people would read or act upon them. Some of them would obviously complain there were no notifications (because they simply ignored them and forgot about it) :D
My company uses a third-party deployment platform that gives you dialog with a 60 minute countdown and a button to start immediately. And I think the deployment dialog can't pop up if you're not on the computer. Because nobody likes nonsense like five minute countdowns that can start while the screen is locked.
Companies lock out the computer because it is lacking updates rather than have it working. Apple broke ssh on all their macs with an update for three months or so. Managed to postpone it for a while until the called and said I have to update or be locked out. Luckily I had postponed it for so long that the next update arrived just like a week later.
A personal laptop of an employee is a very good entrypoint for an attacker. First thing you do is log in to your job. It may be a vpn, a site login, some token gets stored on your computer for the day. If someone gets access to this, it can be devastating. So, if a vulnerability gets discovered and patched by the OS, it can be very important to update as soon as possible. So companies scan their empoyees laptops, is one thing, and if the try to connect they also try to check that the computer appears up to date, is known, and so on.
Do they really imperatively need to be compliant ? (i genuinely don't know, but it seems weird to me, it feels like i can just postpone updates indefinitely on linux)
Or is this that it's way better to be compliant, so companies need to enforce it on their computers (but individuals may not have this need) ?
You can postpone them but it’s a risk. Companies try to mitigate risks, because they don’t want to get hacked or fined because they don’t follow regulation. And to be honest it’s in your best interest to be up to date too. It’s not such a pain in the ass to reboot your computer every once in a while :)
It really is a situation where you can't make everyone happy. If you don't force users to update eventually you get situations like WannaCry, where millions of PCs get hit by ransomware exploiting a vulnerability that was patched two months ago
It really is a situation where you can’t make everyone happy.
Well, you could make a lot more people happy by making the update process less invasive.
It's particularly egregious that Windows not only needs to restart to apply updates (sometimes multiple times), but that these update restarts take much longer than normal restarts. Even if a Linux distro did force you to update, it still wouldn't be as problematic, because Linux can update in the background, without interrupting you -- and if it needs a restart in order to apply those updates, the restart doesn't take any longer than restarting the computer normally. You never come across the uniquely Windows issue of "I can't use my computer at all for the next 45 minutes because it's updating."
If the Windows update process wasn't so invasive and debilitating, people might not put it off so much. (Also, if people could trust that Windows updates would actually make their computer better, rather than worse... When you use forced updates to arbitrarily change user settings, to push spyware and bloatware, to shall we say strongly encourage the use of features that nobody asked for ... well, of course that makes people reluctant to update.)
This. I never got why ios or Ms can't take this route. It's insane to not just update the files on disk then reboot. I'd like to think there's a technical reason that couldn't do this but considering it's ms I'm not sure that's why.
I’d like to think there’s a technical reason that couldn’t do this but considering it’s ms I’m not sure that’s why.
Probably because of their fucking dinosaur of a filesystem. NTFS was created in fucking 1993. And 33 years later, it's still not only the default filesystem for Windows, but (barring certain very niche exceptions) it's still the most modern and most advanced filesystem Windows is capable of using!
How is a company with resources like Microsoft incapable of developing and introducing a new filesystem? Or, hell, there's nothing stopping them from just adopting and supporting one of the many better open-source filesystems out there.
There is an open source driver for using btrfs on windows. Microsoft could easily say "yep this is our filesystem now" and make it the new default. But why would they ever do anything that benefits the consumer?
I see ya’ll put the room numbers on the front of the patch panel instead of the cable labels. What kind of facility is this in if you don’t mind me asking? Is this a hospital?
One time the computer restarted while I was trying to scan in emergency meds. I narrowly avoided flipping the workstation over in a blinding adrenaline fueled rage by having to go verify it manually with a coworker instead and just charted it later.
That would be an unusual glitch, and one that wouldn't be able to reach the patient, especially not in my specialty where we don't have pumps at all let alone ones the computer can control. More likely is the resident gives a verbal instead and doesn't get the benefit of allergy / dosing warnings. Tbh it's actually not uncommon for the doctor to accidentally order a new scheduled dose and forget to discontinue the old dose just through pure human error but that's pretty easy to catch because it looks hella weird in the MAR and most of the time it pops an error or at the very least pharmacy just refuses to approve it before it even gets to me. I've been licensed for five years now and I can only think of maybe like four times that particular error has ever even made it as far as me and it was human error every time.
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That cable management looks pretty clean tho
I got completely distracted by the solid cable management as well.
They have cable management rules to prevent chaos from happening, which will if given the opportunity
That's not a server rack, that's an SCP.
I've cleaned one of those out once. Went from 10base-T to 100base-T in the building.
Fuck I'm old
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Looks like that one room from Legends of the Hidden Temple lol
I work with an organization that has a "cableman" who goes around and yanks unapproved or unlabeled Ethernet cables from very important server racks. He has complete immunity from any consequences of pulling said cable. If the cable was important, it should have been labelled.
That’s kind of a very good way to manage that. Sort of like chaos engineering / Chaos Monkey
The laptop is updating on company's time . Drink some tea, blame Microsoft and call it a day.
Yea but standing around in a server room sucks
WWHHHIRRRRRRRR
WHAT?
Not if it's properly cooled and it's summer time.
I hear you, but I'd still rather be free from there. Many years waiting for boot without chapstick. Hated it.
Always carry a properly loaded emulator on your phone... Times like these call for it's good use.
Oh, we are sharing workplace cable management, ok, here's a place I used to work at:
Here was my nightmare on the day some equipment died and we had to patch around it manually
Sounds like an origin story.
I’m not IT in any capacity than my own shit at home. Tackling this looks impossible.
You just need a machete and a strong wrist.
Not impossible. Just extremely tedious and time consuming.
Just takes time, patience, and enough money to not care.
The solution to tackling it was to just not tackle it. See the various dangling cables where something was no longer needed and rather than removing the cable, screw it, it is lost to the entropy.
Not cable management but I used to provide PCs for nonprofits at no charge and took hardware donations to keep it going. I received this donation, and it it was fully functional before I stripped it for parts:
Fairly normal for any system in my area that isn't serviced regularly every 2 to 3 years.
A lot of that is rust too. There were even rusted bits on the mobo.
Yeah I was gunna say the least of the visible issues is the dust... that thing looks like its been on a transatlantic boat ride through a sulphuric acid rainstorm
Ah, didn't see the rust. That doesn't happen here. We are dry as a bone.
Holy dust.
Holey rust.
Smoker? I've seen some truly disgusting computers that came from houses where people smoked. Even when they still worked usually the best thing was to just strip them for parts because you'll never get rid of the smell.
I have received some disgusting PCs from smoker houses, but this one came from a commercial paint shop. Mostly cars etc.
It's called security. Hackers can't tap into our data if they can't find the data cable!
Security through obscurity
Sir, words have meaning. This does not fit the definition of management
Wow it's the data center equivalent of developing country wiring.
That is some colorful spaghetti.
The Jackson Pollock patch bay.
Why are you using windows for what looks like important infrastructure work? 😬
May not be his/her choice.
How do you know when someone hates Windows? They'll tell you, myself included.
For sure. The 'you' was more a corporate you. Someone made this call.
'Them' is also a valid pronoun when you don't know or are unsure if gender!
Because bossman says use this machine which has windows installed.
It's the normal process. Very rarely do I go into a site and not be requested to have windows available.
Too late OP, now I know where you live
127.0.0.1
Wait a minute. That's my address!!
Not you.
Is this all we are? Just a bunch of nerds...some of who like to be naked and do naughty stuff...? Just out to figure out where the others live? 😞😕.
Recently I was able to identify where a porno was shot.... down in Brazil! WTF. I didn't tell anyone where. One day in the distant future I might be able to travel there so I too can claim fame. But why do we do it? We do we try to dox people?
For teh lulz. DUHH
I wanna learn hiw to dox! So i can scare the little shits that are way better than me at video games
Nice cable management there. You're better than Windows.
thank you for the free penguin pic
I don't like Windows, but at the point where the laptop updates automatically hasn't it been bugging you about the update for hours or even days? I generally file complaints about bad update timings in the "fucked around and found out" folder
Honestly I don’t even remember, this was a long time ago, but if I recall the shitass Dell computer I was given had an SSD that repeatedly disconnected and required a forced reboot. Updates were managed automatically by the org so I don’t think I was ever prompted to update during my short time there. When I powered the shitter on Windows decided it was apparently a good time to update.
I mean, shouldn't you be able to refuse updates anyway ? Like if there is something you don't like or that will break your workflow in the update, shouldn't you be able to accept the risks and keep the old version indefinitely ?
Edit : a word was missing.
No, not on a business owned device. The updates should give warnings, of course. Some companies don’t seem to know how to supply those warnings before mandating the install, for some reason.
The admins are not InTune with the latest technology
It doesn’t require „newest technology” (or Intune;)), you could send sensible notifications with SCCM 2007. Not that people would read or act upon them. Some of them would obviously complain there were no notifications (because they simply ignored them and forgot about it) :D
My company uses a third-party deployment platform that gives you dialog with a 60 minute countdown and a button to start immediately. And I think the deployment dialog can't pop up if you're not on the computer. Because nobody likes nonsense like five minute countdowns that can start while the screen is locked.
Companies lock out the computer because it is lacking updates rather than have it working. Apple broke ssh on all their macs with an update for three months or so. Managed to postpone it for a while until the called and said I have to update or be locked out. Luckily I had postponed it for so long that the next update arrived just like a week later.
When you say "companies", do you mean Apple/Microsoft or the company you're working for/with ?
I meant the one you are working for
Okay, i see, i'm not that familiar with tech companies. I wouldn't have guessed they'd be that aware of what version of OS people are using.
A personal laptop of an employee is a very good entrypoint for an attacker. First thing you do is log in to your job. It may be a vpn, a site login, some token gets stored on your computer for the day. If someone gets access to this, it can be devastating. So, if a vulnerability gets discovered and patched by the OS, it can be very important to update as soon as possible. So companies scan their empoyees laptops, is one thing, and if the try to connect they also try to check that the computer appears up to date, is known, and so on.
No, because devices need to be compliant, there needs to be an unskipable deadline. Otherwise everyone would just defer.
Do they really imperatively need to be compliant ? (i genuinely don't know, but it seems weird to me, it feels like i can just postpone updates indefinitely on linux)
Or is this that it's way better to be compliant, so companies need to enforce it on their computers (but individuals may not have this need) ?
You can postpone them but it’s a risk. Companies try to mitigate risks, because they don’t want to get hacked or fined because they don’t follow regulation. And to be honest it’s in your best interest to be up to date too. It’s not such a pain in the ass to reboot your computer every once in a while :)
Plus, he is on Linux. It would take him all of 5 minutes to update on the slowest of hardware.
As long as he’s not using Gentoo with ebuilds (which I’m 99% positive he isn’t);)
Both of you are spot on, updates are blazing fast, and i'm clearly not on Gentoo x) thx for the explanation, its clearer for me now
nope. it can just come out of nowhere sometimes.
Not in the EU region lol
Still, though, I prefer an OS where I can fuck around in that regard and not find out.
It really is a situation where you can't make everyone happy. If you don't force users to update eventually you get situations like WannaCry, where millions of PCs get hit by ransomware exploiting a vulnerability that was patched two months ago
Well, you could make a lot more people happy by making the update process less invasive.
It's particularly egregious that Windows not only needs to restart to apply updates (sometimes multiple times), but that these update restarts take much longer than normal restarts. Even if a Linux distro did force you to update, it still wouldn't be as problematic, because Linux can update in the background, without interrupting you -- and if it needs a restart in order to apply those updates, the restart doesn't take any longer than restarting the computer normally. You never come across the uniquely Windows issue of "I can't use my computer at all for the next 45 minutes because it's updating."
If the Windows update process wasn't so invasive and debilitating, people might not put it off so much. (Also, if people could trust that Windows updates would actually make their computer better, rather than worse... When you use forced updates to arbitrarily change user settings, to push spyware and bloatware, to shall we say strongly encourage the use of features that nobody asked for ... well, of course that makes people reluctant to update.)
This. I never got why ios or Ms can't take this route. It's insane to not just update the files on disk then reboot. I'd like to think there's a technical reason that couldn't do this but considering it's ms I'm not sure that's why.
Probably because of their fucking dinosaur of a filesystem. NTFS was created in fucking 1993. And 33 years later, it's still not only the default filesystem for Windows, but (barring certain very niche exceptions) it's still the most modern and most advanced filesystem Windows is capable of using!
How is a company with resources like Microsoft incapable of developing and introducing a new filesystem? Or, hell, there's nothing stopping them from just adopting and supporting one of the many better open-source filesystems out there.
There is an open source driver for using btrfs on windows. Microsoft could easily say "yep this is our filesystem now" and make it the new default. But why would they ever do anything that benefits the consumer?
As everyone else has said, that’s clean as fuck.
I see ya’ll put the room numbers on the front of the patch panel instead of the cable labels. What kind of facility is this in if you don’t mind me asking? Is this a hospital?
That's some decent cabling
Next job do it at a more appropriate time and you might keep the job
/s
If I were in the middle of something and that laptop did that to me, it would now be a two piece laptop.
It's not the hardware's fault! You can install something good.
Detachable screen 🤣
me installing some vapes
One time the computer restarted while I was trying to scan in emergency meds. I narrowly avoided flipping the workstation over in a blinding adrenaline fueled rage by having to go verify it manually with a coworker instead and just charted it later.
good thing it dint glitch out and tried out to double order the meds.
That would be an unusual glitch, and one that wouldn't be able to reach the patient, especially not in my specialty where we don't have pumps at all let alone ones the computer can control. More likely is the resident gives a verbal instead and doesn't get the benefit of allergy / dosing warnings. Tbh it's actually not uncommon for the doctor to accidentally order a new scheduled dose and forget to discontinue the old dose just through pure human error but that's pretty easy to catch because it looks hella weird in the MAR and most of the time it pops an error or at the very least pharmacy just refuses to approve it before it even gets to me. I've been licensed for five years now and I can only think of maybe like four times that particular error has ever even made it as far as me and it was human error every time.
are you a pharm tech or pharmacist by any chance,.
no RN so the person actually putting the med into the patient
Never seen patch panels like that before, neat