US House of Representatives passed the KIDS Act, Which would basically require age checks for Americans to get online
cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/c/tech/p/1230279/us-house-passes-the-kids-internet-and-digital-safety-kids-act-which-would-basically-requ
This bill requires specified online platforms to establish safeguards for minors. The safeguards include (1) limiting access to specified sexual material, (2) providing parental controls on social media and online video game platforms, and (3) requiring artificial intelligence (AI) chatbots to disclose certain information to users who are minors.
First, publicly available online platforms on which more than one-third of the content is considered sexual material harmful to minors under the bill must adopt technology to identify minors and prevent them from accessing such material.
Next, social media platforms must (1) implement default settings for minors that limit compulsive usage features and the ability of other users to communicate with minors, and (2) provide tools for parents to manage the privacy and account settings of a minor. Social media platforms may not allow ephemeral messaging features for minors.
The bill also requires online video game platforms to provide tools that allow parents to (1) limit communication between a minor and other users of the platform, and (2) restrict purchases by a minor on the platform.
Further, providers of AI chatbots must disclose to users who are minors (1) that the chatbot is an AI system and not a human, and (2) suicide and crisis intervention hotline information.
Finally, the bill requires specified studies and reports about the effects of social media platforms on minors and provides for enforcement of the bill's requirements by the Federal Trade Commission and state attorneys general.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/119-2026/h228Open linkView original on piefed.world
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yeah, good luck with that. I'll just go read a book under a tree at that point. The internet can just be a bunch of bots shitposting to each other. The day I have to have ID to use the internet is the day I log off for good.
Its been over a decade since i last sat in a hammock and read a book. Kinda excited for the internet to die now tbh.
The chains are starting to break, we're almost free!
With the internet dead, you get the benefit of getting information exclusively from Oligarch Approved media outlets!
The reason they want age verification isn’t to protect the kids. It’s to verify the entity making a request is a real person and not a bot so they can charge more for the ad space.
Also to track what everyone does on the internet so it can be used against them.
That’s what the government wants and happens to align with industry
Yep why do you think Facebook is behind most of these bills.
The ultimate reason is surveillance state, and Trotsky deserves exhumation and incineration for his treachery of the working class, of which his despicable list is but a foreboding symbol.
Tech companies used to push back on stuff like this, but now that they need to fix the ad market they’re fine with the surveillance.
You know you can do both right now...go read a book on the internet under a tree. In fact, I recommend reading Brave New World specifically. It'll be a good time (no sarcasm).
Better get to that quick. Before we move to burn all the rest of the books.
This is only for the clearnet, the darknets don't have this. Maybe most people will go to darknets. Of course due to being unregulated it has all kinds of disturbing stuff.
Underneath a chestnut tree?
We're going to PROTECT the CHILDREN by
PROSECUTING Jeffrey Epstein's CO Conspirators!GIVING Jeffrey Epstein's CO Conspirators ACCESS to your Children!👆
Now they don't have to wait for you to put your daughter into modeling or beauty contest. They can access her right through your Wi-Fi.
They’re preparing for civil unrest.
Remember, it’s not about the kids.
It never was. But repubs certainly can't stop thinking about them.
There's a lot of blue seats in that image too
If they actually cared about kids, the Epstein files would have been released ages ago with no redactions. No politician cares about you or your kids.
the list of "if they actually cared about kids, they would have/should have done X" is so long you could probably print it out at an 8 point font and it'd still reach from coast to coast across the width of america.
You don't get it. This is to know who is underage and where they live. No one said Epstein's death was the end of their pedo business.
I'd be surprised if it was. The man was a symptom, not the root cause of the problem, and he certainly didn't do it all by himself.
He was the stereotypical man in the underworld who could get you anything, as long as you could afford the price.
Others would almost certainly have filled in the gap he left by now.
Ehm. He was a Mossad agent collecting blackmail material on highly influential people. He just went for the sector his targets are most interested in.
Never about protecting children about fighting privacy and making data collection easier.
Why Comment. There's like 4 people here. Do you do this often?
200 likes. 40 comments. "4 people"
I think your discouraging comment is either written out of spite, or straight up discouraging propaganda.
Neither options are good, so go fuck yourself.
It's anger.
I went on Facebook earlier. I saw a post in a 'Lord of The Rings' group that shared a meme comparing orcs to immigrants. The whole joke was that the orc said "my son was born in the shire therefore he is a hobbit" because you know. Immigrants and refugees.
And then I saw a Bobs Burger group where the main post was the family holding up an anti Trans flag. This stuff is daily. The comments are much worse.
I see this everyday and I partially blame all of you here. So many of you here were the 'exodus' people. Convincing every liberal or leftist user to block and ban and remove ourselves from other areas online. Since then everything has become so much worse and even though responsibility is on the poster, I still hold so many of you responsible for quitting when you're needed the most.
I come here to lemmy to see if anything crazy good is happening and it isn't. Like 4chan launched whole ass investigations. A bunch of racist morons performed some of the greatest opsec in internet history. Lemmy is posting about beans and moths and I just don't know what to do beyond being mad at you all.
And I get it, touch grass. But that doesn't help when I log off and go out only to find that the hatred and toxicity from these major platforms is infecting the whole yard. There's no escape. And you people who are suppose to be the resistance can't be fucking bothered. You're like lulled into this weird quiet existence only to be rallied under the most useless civic action imaginable every 2 years.
I just don't know what to do other than be mad and angry.
We should be out there. Identifying these networks and the latest strategies being used to corrupt everything. We should be innovating and building protections with fediverse. Instead we got pro China moderation and censorship and bean memes. I don't know. It's just defeating.
I see. Then I am sorry for being mad at you from my side.
Adam Curtis has a nice documentary called Trauma Zone, where he documents how Russian society accepted their inability to change everything.
I see similar happens with US.
However, I think in dialogue and in our actions we eventually can prevail. Small little things also shift balance a bit. Graffiti, discussions, us being vocal.
And also, you see, this post got more attention than you thought, so there is light.
The best - Boomer's generation is dying our. Rich Gen Xers are also selfish, and some are plain evil, but seems for a lesser extend.
There is light.
I'm doing this, daily on reddit. Just copped a temp ban for using arctic-shift to identify and shame agitators. I try and get one to delete their account a day, whilst sharing the tools with others. I'm one person though. (Sorry to reply to you multiple times. You're the first person to reply to me and I'm still figuring out the layout of Lemmy)
I want you to know I consider myself an old-school leftist. I'm fucking angry. And I have an abundance of free time, so I channel it.
I do think a lot of people are waiting until November to decide their next move though. Will it be obviously rigged, or will it be possible to take him down using non-violent apparatus.
"Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.”
We left those platforms because they were corporate owned and did not support us.
Every racist/phobic meme is allowed, we get banned for calling them out. We report them and nothing happens except we get banned for reporting them.
It is not our fault capitalism decided to ban the left and promote hate instead. And 4chans greatest claim to fame for a decade was “shoe on head”.
I let nazis spread their message because I'm choosing this one corporation to stand against even though its the most dangerous time to take our eyes and ears off them. It's all vibes really.
Re-read what was said because that is not it.
It is it in the same way deciding not to vote Democrat in a two party system is helping MAGA.
It's so superficial to say you don't care to participate just because you met some confrontation that you weren't comfortable with. It's fine to quit. But don't lie to yourself that it's Benign. When you're part of a mass exodus of people with similar views during these periods where small groups of people are using bots to sway public opinion, that is worse then deciding not to vote.
I don't care if they're nazi platform 3.0. The fact is that is where the public is. That is where our family and friends and Co workers and law makers and judges all are and they're getting their information from. Saying you're too good for it might give you a moment of relief that won't last. The views and opinions and shit posts that the right can now lie and spread increases and that seeps into everyday life.
People for the longest time downplay digital spaces as if they're not critical. Meanwhile they'll also argue that billions are being spent to manipulate these spaces. I argue that part of those billions that were invested went to convincing all of us to abandon these spaces and we did willingly.
I'm starting to see a shift of people coming back. But people need to wake the fuck up and go back to what it was 15 years ago when we actually shut these racist fucks down and didn't let them spread their bullshit. I don't know why leftist today are such cowards, but if they continue with this stuff they're done in the next 15 years. Most won't even admit they did it to themselves
So you know, this week the modern nazi group patriot front is creating lots of posts and comments. So you can say "not my problem" but next year when you're wondering why so many people accepted these racists as heroes, just know it was because they had no push back and could frame themselves as whatever they want. Rinse and repeat every month for whatever the months thing is.
Why comment something like this when you can literally see how many subs there are on this community (85.8k by the way)?
Do you do this often? Show your idiocy, I mean...
You just blow in from Stupid Town?
It's worth noting that this isn't a distraction, this is the main event.
Democrats are smiling foxes.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/s1748/cosponsors
Surprised to see Hirono on there, thats disappointing. But Schumer, Slotkin, Fetterman, Kloubachar, Whitehouse, Warner .. the usual band of traitorous republican-lite DNC idiots is no big surprise. Thanks for the link.
Rotating villains.
Welcome back, SOPA. We didn't miss you. In fact, SOPA should've been actually dead instead of waiting to resurface for 14 years.
What the hell? Where did the time go? We’re stuck in the goddamned land of lotus flowers here. Can the internet itself just die already?
Oh wow, they really love their acronyms!
Or the 'Killing Internet Dissent and Speech' Act. KOSA is the 'Killing Online Speech Act.'
internet was fun while it lasted; new internet is ass anyway
This is such bullshit. If they really cared about the well-being of children, they'd make sure they had free healthcare, free daycare, and free college/trade school.
This is ONLY about connecting our identities with our online activity. They just put a bunch of people in prison for DECADES for possessing writings that were "anti-government," so that allowed them to be classified as ANTIFA terrorists. This will allow them to do that with ANYONE who posts something they don't like.
Just because these parasites claim to have a righteous rationalization for this, doesn't mean we have to accept it. We KNOW they are lying, and the real reason is to control the adults of this country, not the children.
A lifetime of invasive surveillance is far more damaging to society, than kids discovering that men and women have different genitalia.
I wonder if it'll ever be feasible to do some kind of mass, federated mesh networking to cut out the ISPs altogether.
Ohh that would be fantastic!
For now I guess I2P can/will help
Meshtastic? LoRa?
Or do you mean something like VPN tunneling?
Probably something more like VPN tunneling. The web we have today, but without having to subscribe to an ISP to connect to peers outside your LAN.
Going to be hard since the hardware sitting between all those wires cost money to run and… that’s pretty much what ISPs get paid do. They’re assholes who shouldn't have a say in what goes through those connections but their job isn’t redundant, someone has to do it to maintain those connections.
Yup, that's why I'm hoping wireless meshing technologies improve to a point that we can start to replicate things
Then you’re just going to have the FCC regulating the high-throughput bandwidths until you’re left with the unregulated ones for consumers… like LoRa… and Meshtastic lol.
And while those are cool and all, they have severe limitations due to the frequencies they use and can not scale past a hobbiest load.
If we want what we consider a "full featured" internet alternative, it will have to be built as a layer on top of the existing internet. Similar to the dark web, it'll be sort of a grey web where tech savvy people convene and don't cause enough fuss to be a target for crackdown. So long as encryption remains legal there are no major barriers. If we lose that it becomes much more difficult.
I’m with you, just pointing out the barriers.
There’s no free bandwidth just sitting around and waiting to be exploited, Internet 2.0 will have to be discreet or expensive.
Chat, we're cooked.
[Child detected... blocking traffic]
This is one of those deals where the ALL fall in line from both parties. That's when you know the Big Fix is in. The Sociopathic Oligarchs demanded this because it not only makes them mind-boggling wealth, but it also allows them to kill those who are causing them trouble.
And the people we elected to protect us, sold us out - nearly all of them.
WHAT THE FUCK. Fuck my representative fucking hell
Should we just share memes and titties outside since the normies moved online and fucked it up?
This will be a kiss of death for every site that enacts it
I urge web owners to move away from AWS and get a VPS provider out of the country.
Obviously, I hate it, but
that's a lot more weaksauce than I was expecting. I guess these old fossils don't know that there are websites based in other countries
I would highly recommend actually reading the full text of the bill. It is a lot more than what is in the body of the post.
It is not clear to me whether a site would need to be hosted in the US to fall under this law or if they would just need to be accessible in the US.
I would post the definitions but there are 7 titles under this law and 5 of them each have their own definition.
Edit: just to be clear. I hate this law too. ID requirements will kill many platforms or people will use vpns to circumvent.
Why would someone from another country follow U.S. law. Not their problem.
If they want to do business in the US then it follows that they would need to follow us law when conducting that business. It is the same reason that valve has to follow California law despite not being headquartered in California.
If that weren't the case then businesses would just move to international waters and claim to only need to follow maritime law.
I’m tired man
Playboy about to make a comeback
Its Schumers bill, so it'll be about crushing any opinions that oppose the zionists and related big business.
Secret smut stash in the woods is about to be a thing again.
Looking forward to the Epstein class vetoing this when they realize they can’t watch their preferred type of porn any more
They go to private mansions for child trafficking
The Epstein class desperately wants this. They can get around it easily, and this way anything bad you say about them can be tied directly to your identity. This will never catch a rich person, it's about persecuting dissenters who threaten their power.
Its not like they could just create a company that collects almost every child's image through the years which can then be tied directly to parents addresses anyway.... /s
I wouldn't be surprised if the Epstein Class uses this to find "product" for their islands.
What's interesting is that this is far more an example of a social, rather than political, failing of our society. We can all agree that social media is harmful to everyone in many contexts, but can also provide a certain benefit in the sharing of knowledge, information, and ideas. How many of us had something of a queer awakening after being exposed it on social media? I sure as heck fall into that boat.
I once heard it equated to drinking, your taught from your parents what a responsible (or not) way of in taking alcohol is. Same with driving, same with work. In all these things were there is a fine balance of harm and benefit, we are taught be the older generation. But what if there is no older generation to teach us? Well, as is the case with certain indigenous communities in Alaska where no alcohol existed, you find yourself with no one being responsible. For the regulators, the obvious solution is an outright ban. But banning subsistence that are "bad" for you if addictive, never works. Prohibition, and the war on drugs are key examples of that.
We see this and scoff, because we are the ones who, though trial and error, found something approaching that balance. We see the harm is not in the social platforms themselves, but rather in the algorithmic monetization creating great psychological harm for everyone. We see that anyone using the internet is (more or less) a pseudonymous peer, and attempting to classify groups by geography and/or age is quite foolish. We also see the abuse and harm that attempting to do so would cause. Unfortunately, but rather predictably, the politicians are corrupt ass hats in the pocket of big-tech and invariably, make exceedingly stupid laws greatly to the detriment of the people. It is, therefore, of my opinion that the only reasonable solution is to get rid of them in their entirety Ⓐ.
I am not sure I agree with this. Many if not most here grew up, and were raised on social media. We saw the risks, saw the dangers and were warned, and instead of teaching the next generation about those things, we shoved iPads in front of them and said we were too busy to pay attention.
Same thing is happening with AI. A generation learning about it, being involved with it, and instead of recognizing the pit falls, they are offloading their brains to it so they can watch Netflix and order Doordash.
Society is cooked, and the signs have always been there but we ignored them and decided to yolo instead.
Most Americans will accept deep surveillance and the arrests that will follow, without complaints. "Nothing To Hide, Nothing To Fear"
Hooray for not voting! It's working out great!
104 Democrats voted Yay and 23 abstained from voting
It's super common. In my and many states they put ID verification to access naked pictures, so if Dems don't vote for it, perfect materials to campaign against. The system is f'ed.
I can say for certain now, Liberals are straight up mythically stubborn.
What, like Aussie liberals, or like Alabama liberals.
Someone with an username that starts with “h” and ends with “l”
Ah. Bullshit. Gotcha.
Wait, what House Rep are you? Graham Platner?
Yes. Yes, I'm Representative Graham Platner.
I’m Abigail Rockefeller. Kiss my heel.
They are all about freedom and small gov until they are in power.
They said they take away the liberties of young people - they took away the liberties of all people.
At this point they're the ones creating false premises and the people dont have any real way of challenging that.
I'd turn that vote tally into a six-seven "joke", but that would require more critical thought than what every politician put into drafting and/or voting that law through Congress.
My Democratic house member (who ran unopposed in his last two primaries) voted for the KIDS acts. I am so glad I get to vote for him this year in the general election. I love living in my very healthy and functional democracy.
Situation is shit now, but I really love that people made spaces such as this one - small, and calm, without too much (of course they are) normies looking around. Hell, the best defensive mechanism against normies appears to be "pick your server" question when registering.
And looking forward, internet will pop and transform thanks to such small spaces that will emerge out of nowhere, against the stupid laws and censorship, even if access will be limited it will work as sifting for low-efforders.
I love it. Now it's time to take my meds and go to bed. 👴
Fortunately thanks to VPNs I'm Canadian. I can just keep changing the settings the more and more countries implement dumb laws.
Now I'm sure some politicians have come up with a bright idea of banning VPNs and I'm just looking forward to the drama when that idea is tabled.
Oh they're definitely gonna ban VPNs too.
This is why you don't get rid of the filibuster.
I think, this is a nice move, but thinking maybe there are other important matters that needs to be addressed first before this
While I disagree with the premise of the bill, I only take issue, when it comes to application and enforcement, with sec 103 not explicitly stating what is stated in other sections that the verification method shouldn't be based off of government Id. However, saying that, I think that if it were possible I would be okay with this legislation, but I cannot fathom a way in which you verify someone's age without using government id, considering that the only proofs of age as far as I am concerned is birth certificate and the documents that are based off of it.