Also depends on your definition of privacy. Some people confuse privacy (not seeing what you do) with anonimity (not knowing who you are).
Public blockchains (like BTC) have zero privacy, as everyone sees the transactions and balances, meanwhile private ones (like XMR) supposedly avoid anyone but two people in a transaction to know that transaction happened, or even to know each other's balance.
In both cases, I would say you are as anonymous as your way to turn the coin from/into fiat is (P2P, KYC or non-KYC platforms, etc.).
Like with AI, I like crypto as a concept, but the practice... (specially the resources both consume for what little benefit they end up having)
Fake criminal money more legit than government money. One day I woke up to the news that all my deposits are frozen indefinitely, that I am not allowed to carry cash abroad, and that I am not allowed to get bank accounts or transfers from any foreign institutions. .Thank fuck for crypto and that I had some. It literally saved my life, so yeah, fake criminal money by a long shot for me.
Praying for Georgia and Georgian people everyday for letting me stay effectively indefinitely. Otherwise, living like stateless person would've been terrible. Though, technically, despite everything I've posted on the internet, police is not very interested in me, my track record is clean and I can go back anytime, it's just that I'd really, really rather not...
Fake money for criminals is unironically a decent addition to the world, although it's coded in a really dumb way. Plagiarism machine is overhyped right now, but it also has some legit uses.
Even the chatbots now can write code that compiles and does what you tell it to. I'm a system analyst and can code but I am slow. Now I can give a design to any of them and get code that works in a couple of hours, with most of the time spent iterating toward the right result
In the past it often took a week of afternoons and late nights to turn an idea into working code. I can see why programmers fear for their jobs
I interpreted it as them mentioning lemmy (since lots of lemmy users are communists or socialists of some flavor), but if they meant to complain I agree with you completely
Now I feel compelled to ask: Do you this meme is seriously asking for opinions on subversive innovations?
Because I interpreted it as asking what is the most dystopian.
I took it as the poll itself, and the results, being entirely irrelevant. They just decided to use that as the format/delivery mechanism for their joke.
It appears to me that the meme is complaining about tech breaking laws, not soliciting opinions. In case this needs to be said, I'm using Lemmy because of its ability to resist (legal!) censorship, especially of long-overdue leftist speech.
But srsly to me it does feel like the future, because when I was a kid "by the year 2000" was synonymous with a glorious future of space hotels, undersea cities, moon bases... I can't believe we're a quarter of the way through the 21st Century and none of that has happened. On the plus side we did get really spiffy new ways to buy stuff we don't need with money we don't have, and fingertip access to pretty much all of human knowledge, which most of us ignore in our endless quest for entertainment. But oh well.
Yeah, because you were thinking of all the ways technology could have been awesome, while what they were working on was making it funnel all the world's wealth to a handful of people.
Fucked up thing is some of that has happened, but you need to have been born into generational wealth to be a part of those things. Ritchie Ricn is just moralisticly better version of Musk. Or at least a version less hooked on coach K
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The exposure of hotels using surveillance pricing. A room should cost a hunnert bucks a night. Not $100 or $150 or $200 or $250 etc., depending on which "app" you pray to. Am I right Trivago?
The very fact that it's "fake money for criminals" is exactly why I didn't pick up any BitCoin when it was 12p per coin.. I could have been rich af off of £10
I too, ran across Bitcoin in the VERY early days, when it was pennies. I thought it was a scam and probably illegal, I mean "people can't just set up their own currency, can they?" It didn't help that I first found it when I was poking around in Tor, wondering what the "dark web" was all about.
@DarrinBrunner
I found it at $50 and knew it was for sketchy things but still tried (unsuccessfully) to convince my parents to let me give them my cash to use their debt card to buy some.
It is very traceable. It's just that the government doesn't have a special position with tracing transactions, so there's been a bunch of kludges built on top of the very transparent Bitcoin network to try to mask things.
For your lay: the government puts a significant fraction of the coins into these boxes and can use the statistical information gained from this to deobfuscate transactions. If you put enough money in, either at once or slowly over time, they can figure out who you are.
There are plenty of issues beyond that, especially BTC and similar coins being energy inefficient, just imagine if every single transaction ran through that. It wasn't designed to be practical.
And on the less technical side, the biggest contributor to crypto being despised by most people is the massive prevalence of scammers, from companies that pretend to help you invest (while being a ponzi scheme) to rug pulls to other scammers being attracted to it for its perceived anonymity.
Afaik there's legitimate uses for the underlying technology, but cryptocurrency is just inferior to regular digital currency from a practical standpoint, and you either have to put up with government regulation (defeating the purpose of a currency aside from government) or put up with fraud that can't be stopped by our governments.
the biggest contributor to crypto being despised by most people is the massive prevalence of scammers
At risk of being called a crypto bro or something (I'm really not, I learned all this shit years before everything turned into what it is), I'd like to play Devil's advocate here for the moment and ask how that's different from fiat currency?
USD is practically untraceable, and people are being scammed out of it constantly with no recourse.
That's very understandable, but impractical for investments and savings, the US insures some banks and the like but it doesn't insure crypto funds, if people's savings end up there based on false promises (or if their assets are managed by a third party) they can lose everything and have no recourse.
This isn't a hypothetical, it's the story of countless people who lost everything to grifters. I don't think blaming individuals makes a lot of sense when it comes to emerging technology and when, again, regular finance is generally insured by the state. The biggest reason for scammers to flock to crypto is that there's a lot less regulation, making it harder to prosecute them. And that's my original point on the choice we have right now, even if ideally we want better choices in the future. Right now you either go with a traditional institution for financial services, which includes government oversight, or you operate on your own and assume a lot of risks, whether you're even aware of that or not (and financial actors purposely deceive people on this end, as it's in their best interest to do so).
Well the innovations clearly must be good because people use them so much. Frankly the term "illegal" doesn't carry much weight for me. Piracy is illegal, but I think copyright is far worse.
I put my dick in the future and it came out more rotund but less grandiose, so i have the conclude the future is Maricopa county, as they grow wide, not tale. Gross amd quidditch corsackage.
The fake money for criminals is the best because there's a lot of people that aren't criminals that have bought in on it and among those the concensus is "I think a bunch of IT neck beards can build a better financial system better than the one that evolved over centuries".
Honestly I think pretty much anyone could build a better financial system, and more people should try. What we have now is the result of centuries of unchecked power. This monetary policy was created by Richard Nixon and then we adopted a Keynesian rationale post facto. It didn't evolve, it was stolen.
If you've got another idea (including moneyless systems) I'm down to try that too, but what we've got right now is pure garbage, and having no out before the modern era doesn't imply that it's good.
The modern banking system and monetary policy was created under FDR. Nixon just stoped pretending it was backed on gold and told de Gaulle to kick rocks when he asked for the gold back.
Realistically the changes under Nixon are peanuts compared to the digitization of it all since the introduction of systems like Swift.
Yes I am an American and I know what he did, but I also know that the Breton woods agreement was only a small part of the financial system, and that realistically, the economic downturn of the 70s was far more heavily impacted by several oil shocks and the hangover from massive spending on Vietnam.
Bitcoin is the youngest currency around and u like all of the other currencies it isn’t mandated or controlled by governments. If inventions have to be 100% perfect out of the gate then you’ll never get anything new.
I think it had it's time to cooldown from the extrme speculative volatility. It has lost it's coolness factor in the mainstream after NFT and AI took over.
Still as volative as ever.
You can't tell me a 11% drop in value can be considered a valid alternative.
You can’t be serious. Bitcoin is less than 20 years old and for most of that time almost everyone thought it was a joke. Most still do. Your timeframe for stabilization is disconnected from reality.
No it's not, it's the oldest (and as such, the worst in almost every way) crypto.
Edit: in case you are like one of the commenters here and struggle with reading comprehension, I did not just say that bitcoin is older than USD. Try reading it slower maybe? If the parentheses is throwing you off, try taking it out completely and reading the sentence without it.
"Fake money for criminals" is such a dumb, bootlicker thing to say.
Maybe most "1st world" people don't undersrand it yet but crypto (although most of it is scam, but the good ones like Monero) really enables international transactions and freedom of money and brings so much freedom to the people.
Scammers have ruined the image of cryptocurrenvies but there are actually useful currencies out there like XMR,LTC that are being used frequently for actuall services and products. Not just trading.
Honestly I'd say the ones who ruined it were the cryptobros who only care about seeing number go up. Gave a bad rep to crypto right outta the gate, especially with causing the (first) GPU shortage. Now if you mention crypto to anyone, even with a legitimate interest, they instantly get a bad taste in their mouth.
It is always nice when some service allows payment in Monero though. The default of bitcoin is still prominent, but thankfully most people are realizing it ain't private at all.
Oh yes, because the US and co. Have decided to put sanctions on a bunch of countries, the "3rd world people" are not allowed to buy products or services or make monetary transactions with the "civilized world"? No, fuck governments and fuck their sanctions and rules.
People who insist on doing things, especially monetary transactions only the way the governments and states want to are the definition of bootlicker. Free economy requires free money (free as in freedom)
The first two depend on centralized services and nonfree software, which are things I don't like. The third doesn't. The fourth doesn't have to.
So by those metrics I like cryptocurrency the most. In fact I have invested a bit of my savings in Bitcoin. I have never used Uber or AirBnB meanwhile.
I'm experiencing the opposite, AirBnB has gotten ridiculous with their pricing. After all the fees and hassle it ends up cheaper staying at an actual hotel.
I mean if we're opposed to every new technology than obviously we're all going to call it illegal. Doesn't matter what it is. Maybe the pattern is saying something about us and not the tech
That was always the goal. Uber and Lyft prices were heavily subsidized early on. Their investors poured billions into them in order to not just establish market share, but tk drive existing taxi services out of business. Taxi services that had things like: fleets of company-owned vehicles instead of personal vehicles, commercials grade maintenance schedules, stricter licensing requirements for drivers, unionized employees instead of independent contractors, etc
Uber and Lyft just plain ignored a lot of existing regulations by saying "those don't apply because this is an app" to legislators who were too old to know how to turn on a smart phone. They got the public on-board by temporarily offering artificially low prices and high payouts to drivers. Now they have established themselves and removed the competition, so the payouts are going down and the prices are going up.
There are still some US cities that do not allow Uber or Lyft to operate, and there are other countries in the world that do the same.
It's still miles better than Cabs, I can't believe this even has to be argued! When was the last time anyone here defending cabs/shitting on Uber actually took a cab somewhere?
The few times I had to/decided to take a taxi, I got absolutely ripped off. And with an Uber, even if it's expensive, you at least know before hand how much you're paying. You can decline if you think it's too much. Good luck trying that with taxis.
That just not true across the board. I've found solo they are expensive but compared to getting a suite at a hotel they are competitive. You ain't beating the king room at a Hilton though, agreed.
It certainly isn't true AT ALL for group travel. I regularly stay in very nice homes for under $150/night per person.
I feel like this is something I'd hear discussed on the Park After Dark podcast (Trailer Park Boys thing, now with 100% less Bubbles for obvious reasons)
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Say your country makes baby formula illegal to push some breastfed is the only way agenda, would you consider a mother buying formula online with crypto a criminal?
Yes, because criminality has nothing to do with morals. If the state views you as a criminal, you are a criminal. That's why some criminals are still good people and cool.
i’m going with the fake money for criminals, cuz sometimes the criminal in question is a trans person trying to get their medicine
to my great annoyance, almost all diy hrt online can only be bought using crypto. and wow does it make you hate cryptobros to have to navigate an ecosystem clearly designed for speculation to get your life-saving medicine 🫠
the homebrewer i was buying from didn’t support this one, so i would’ve had to convert it, which means fees typically
anyways, i don’t really care to maintain a crypto portfolio. i buy the coin when i buy the thing, so volatility isn’t too much of a concern. my main annoyance is at the bonkers fees that exchanges want because they (rightly) recognize cryptobros as a milkable consumer base
Could use localbitcoin.com (or localmonero I guess), though it's been so long since I've been to those sites that I forget if/what kind of cut the website takes.
But yeah, dunno if you can avoid fees when cashing out to fiat. And if you're using non-kyc sites to swap Monero, they're likely taking some too, for the convenience and privacy (worth it imo)
Creating a market to exchange crypto and cash enables everyone’s use. Speculative markets are a natural feature of something new like bitcoin and would’ve happened regardless.
Fiat currency is based on the government's ability to issue and service debt, which is based on its ability to collect taxes, which is based on the economy it oversees. It's a bit roundabout but the pieces all connect.
Crypto is supposed the compensation for providing compute resources to a blockchain, which ostensibly backs some application with actual intrinsic value. In that sense crypto is real, but there are no actual blockchains which support valuable applications. The entire thing much more closely resembles a ponzi scheme where real currency is deposited, and then the appreciation it experiences is proportional to the ratio of inputs vs withdrawals, without there being an actual asset creating value.
In both cases the trading value of the currency has almost nothing to do with who originated it, and almost everything to do with how the general public feels about it.
Just like crypto, most "government" currencies are worth what they're worth only because everyone agrees that they are. That's called "fiat" currency. And that's why fiat currency exchange markets exist. The US Dollar hasn't been "convertible" (redeemable for a fixed amount of precious metal) since 1971, and many other world currencies were already backed in some way by the US Dollar at that time.
The real difference is in the supply.
Government fiat currency is difficult to counterfeit, although the government (or reserve bank) can always make more whenever they want. We trust them not to print more money, increasing the money supply and devaluing the currency. However, this is exactly what has happened sometimes in the past, and no doubt will happen again in the future.
Crypto currency is virtually impossible to counterfeit, and IIRC there's a finite (but not precisely known) amount of it that can be made, no matter who you are.
Personally, I still use physical fiat currency and no crypto. I'd like to use crypto, but regulation in my country makes it very difficult to use without registering your details with a central authority. And although everyone's pushing e-money options which are similarly tracked, thankfully I still have the option of using anonymous cash.
I don't do anything bad or illegal. I just believe that government and big business don't deserve to know everything I do in my life simply because they want to.
You can use crypto without those registration if you know where to find locals who are willing to trade it for cash. It'll be just like finding a local dealer.
Doesn't dread's captcha force you to check the url? Afaik it makes you fill in specific parts of the url, so that you check that the url you are using is the same one they are using. Curious how the mirror was able to bypass that.
Regardless I just spent some initial investment saving the pgp public keys and making sure they are legit, so that I can use them to verify dread's mirrors.txt whenever needed. Faster than walking out to the street imo
I entered it into tor browser, no captcha was shown and I landed directly on the site/mirror.
The one post I read, something concerning validation and opsec on markets or dreadforum, had an explanation that if the text they wrote in hyphens differed from the url right under it I was already viewing a mirror, as they spelled out a link.
That was true, the url shown was darkmyurl dot com instead of the actual link spelled out hyphenated.
I was humbled, and have now learned that even asking for the true php keys from you right now is submitting to defeat. The only good opsec seems to be your own
I'm paying $900 for a short term (week and a half), last minute, airbnb, I'm meeting with a potential roommate tmr to move in on the 1st. Paying real rent instead of paying airbnb hosts.
Italy. Because you need a license to be a taxi driver, and a random company cannot hand them out (and the taxi drivers union is powerful and corrupt). And because the government gotta know who is renting a room where, you can't just go wherever you want without anyone knowing, especially foreigners. Whenever you rent a room in Italy, the owner will take a picture of your ID/passport, and send your data to the local government. Also you gotta pay taxes on the rooms you rent.
People (especially us) often make fun of how convoluted our bureaucracy is, but this has made us extremely good at paper moving. If any country had a go at being us, they would collapse.
Well, instead of stealing from the drivers, to give to a corporation, it steals from tourists to give to drivers. I say it's not good but it's still less bad
What's self-service identity theft?
Verified identities online, passport, face scan
Very good additions.
I would add that the state-secrets betting houses are also more broadly insider-trading betting houses
Fake money for criminals helped me buy weed when I didn't have a local dealer. It's also how I pay for Mullvad. So fake money for criminals wins.
I miss when that was what the fake money was for instead of the bullshit broligarch grift.
Bubbles always burst eventually, just wait for it.
Although, without the grift, it would be super illegal, so should we really complain?
I demand privacy, so I'm a criminal anyways
Crypto is not privacy.
depends. not universally, that's right. don't buy dogecoin for privacy.
Also depends on your definition of privacy. Some people confuse privacy (not seeing what you do) with anonimity (not knowing who you are).
Public blockchains (like BTC) have zero privacy, as everyone sees the transactions and balances, meanwhile private ones (like XMR) supposedly avoid anyone but two people in a transaction to know that transaction happened, or even to know each other's balance.
In both cases, I would say you are as anonymous as your way to turn the coin from/into fiat is (P2P, KYC or non-KYC platforms, etc.).
Like with AI, I like crypto as a concept, but the practice... (specially the resources both consume for what little benefit they end up having)
You can swap Monero with a more common coin on a decentralized exchange with no KYC, and then cash that out at your Coinbase or whatever.
Also, Monero is very efficient for a proof of work coin, partially because it's designed to be mined on regular, consumer grade PCs.
According to Google, it uses somewhere between 645 and 650 GWh annually, compared to between 150 and 204.4 Terawatt-hours (TWh) for Bitcoin.
Bitcoin was the first, and as is usually the case, that makes it one of the worst.
sure but it's also a much smaller operation
Fair enough. I do believe it's more efficient on a per coin basis or whatever though
I also do PCP and other Durango Morrison drugs as heist forbid
Depends how you use it. And which coin - before Q day comes Monero is pretty private, but Bitcoin is transparent.
Fake criminal money more legit than government money. One day I woke up to the news that all my deposits are frozen indefinitely, that I am not allowed to carry cash abroad, and that I am not allowed to get bank accounts or transfers from any foreign institutions. .Thank fuck for crypto and that I had some. It literally saved my life, so yeah, fake criminal money by a long shot for me.
Checks out. Hows the outlaw life?
Praying for Georgia and Georgian people everyday for letting me stay effectively indefinitely. Otherwise, living like stateless person would've been terrible. Though, technically, despite everything I've posted on the internet, police is not very interested in me, my track record is clean and I can go back anytime, it's just that I'd really, really rather not...
Fake money for criminals is unironically a decent addition to the world, although it's coded in a really dumb way. Plagiarism machine is overhyped right now, but it also has some legit uses.
So, the poll actually seems about right.
Even the chatbots now can write code that compiles and does what you tell it to. I'm a system analyst and can code but I am slow. Now I can give a design to any of them and get code that works in a couple of hours, with most of the time spent iterating toward the right result
In the past it often took a week of afternoons and late nights to turn an idea into working code. I can see why programmers fear for their jobs
Every time someone posts this meme, I feel compelled to add "forums for communists".
Big Tech made Lemmy so that communists wouldn't organize in real life
Nah, infighting always works best.
I think your priorities are in the wrong place if you think about "forums for communists" instead of "telegram channels with incel nazis".
I interpreted it as them mentioning lemmy (since lots of lemmy users are communists or socialists of some flavor), but if they meant to complain I agree with you completely
The former. Being subversive doesn't imply it's bad.
Now I feel compelled to ask: Do you this meme is seriously asking for opinions on subversive innovations? Because I interpreted it as asking what is the most dystopian.
I took it as the poll itself, and the results, being entirely irrelevant. They just decided to use that as the format/delivery mechanism for their joke.
It was, but tech lawlessness swings both ways, or has so far, and it's worth mentioning.
And I hope you would agree nazis killing people are more dystopian than fucking larpers.
It appears to me that the meme is complaining about tech breaking laws, not soliciting opinions. In case this needs to be said, I'm using Lemmy because of its ability to resist (legal!) censorship, especially of long-overdue leftist speech.
You forgot femboys and linux users
But then the poll would make little sense, because forums for communists would win with 99.97% of votes...
I wish the average person was as open minded as you're giving them credit.
Automatic sidewalk blocker
e-scooters?
Nah those food delivery bastards. They don't even go home after they just sit together taking up half the side walk
Here is hire scooters left laying across paths
I eat those
But srsly to me it does feel like the future, because when I was a kid "by the year 2000" was synonymous with a glorious future of space hotels, undersea cities, moon bases... I can't believe we're a quarter of the way through the 21st Century and none of that has happened. On the plus side we did get really spiffy new ways to buy stuff we don't need with money we don't have, and fingertip access to pretty much all of human knowledge, which most of us ignore in our endless quest for entertainment. But oh well.
Yeah, because you were thinking of all the ways technology could have been awesome, while what they were working on was making it funnel all the world's wealth to a handful of people.
Fucked up thing is some of that has happened, but you need to have been born into generational wealth to be a part of those things. Ritchie Ricn is just moralisticly better version of Musk. Or at least a version less hooked on coach K
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The exposure of hotels using surveillance pricing. A room should cost a hunnert bucks a night. Not $100 or $150 or $200 or $250 etc., depending on which "app" you pray to. Am I right Trivago?
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Probably modern electric drums.
Play them like the wind winds them
The very fact that it's "fake money for criminals" is exactly why I didn't pick up any BitCoin when it was 12p per coin.. I could have been rich af off of £10
I too, ran across Bitcoin in the VERY early days, when it was pennies. I thought it was a scam and probably illegal, I mean "people can't just set up their own currency, can they?" It didn't help that I first found it when I was poking around in Tor, wondering what the "dark web" was all about.
@DarrinBrunner
I found it at $50 and knew it was for sketchy things but still tried (unsuccessfully) to convince my parents to let me give them my cash to use their debt card to buy some.
I could have paid off their house 😆
@rizzothesmall
"criminals" = people the goverment doesnt like crypto is untraceable (mostly)
I think thats why there are so many smear campaigns against it
It is very traceable. It's just that the government doesn't have a special position with tracing transactions, so there's been a bunch of kludges built on top of the very transparent Bitcoin network to try to mask things.
For laypersons: they put all the coins in a box and shake the box.
For your lay: the government puts a significant fraction of the coins into these boxes and can use the statistical information gained from this to deobfuscate transactions. If you put enough money in, either at once or slowly over time, they can figure out who you are.
thats the point, its decentralized
anything is traceable IF you have a special position in the transactions
monero, as an example, lets you run your own node
Monero is untraceable (if you don't use a KYC exchange to get it), but Monero isn't "most" crypto.
You said crypto, in general, is mostly untraceable and that's very very wrong.
Monero is the exception, not the rule.
Super super incorrect.
There are plenty of issues beyond that, especially BTC and similar coins being energy inefficient, just imagine if every single transaction ran through that. It wasn't designed to be practical.
And on the less technical side, the biggest contributor to crypto being despised by most people is the massive prevalence of scammers, from companies that pretend to help you invest (while being a ponzi scheme) to rug pulls to other scammers being attracted to it for its perceived anonymity.
Afaik there's legitimate uses for the underlying technology, but cryptocurrency is just inferior to regular digital currency from a practical standpoint, and you either have to put up with government regulation (defeating the purpose of a currency aside from government) or put up with fraud that can't be stopped by our governments.
At risk of being called a crypto bro or something (I'm really not, I learned all this shit years before everything turned into what it is), I'd like to play Devil's advocate here for the moment and ask how that's different from fiat currency?
USD is practically untraceable, and people are being scammed out of it constantly with no recourse.
so you have to put up with surveillance or put up with freedom?
I dont think the state should be able to trace transactions
That's very understandable, but impractical for investments and savings, the US insures some banks and the like but it doesn't insure crypto funds, if people's savings end up there based on false promises (or if their assets are managed by a third party) they can lose everything and have no recourse.
This isn't a hypothetical, it's the story of countless people who lost everything to grifters. I don't think blaming individuals makes a lot of sense when it comes to emerging technology and when, again, regular finance is generally insured by the state. The biggest reason for scammers to flock to crypto is that there's a lot less regulation, making it harder to prosecute them. And that's my original point on the choice we have right now, even if ideally we want better choices in the future. Right now you either go with a traditional institution for financial services, which includes government oversight, or you operate on your own and assume a lot of risks, whether you're even aware of that or not (and financial actors purposely deceive people on this end, as it's in their best interest to do so).
Bitcoin energy use doesn’t scale with the number of transactions but based upon the competition for mining.
so basically, research the crypto you buy and practice basic cybersecurity?
sure, it wasnt designed for everybody, but that isnt a reason to smear it
Haha, what an idiot!
Yeah, I didn't get any either. :-/
He makes crypto sound way cooler than it is
I miss when the tech business model was to find where buyers and sellers were interacting, insert an app in the middle and then add fees.
Why is everyone so toxic? If you wanna discuss something be nice. (Even if you think that the person you are discussing with is a complete idiot)
What is this comment even in reference to?
Hey we obey the law here sir
Well the innovations clearly must be good because people use them so much. Frankly the term "illegal" doesn't carry much weight for me. Piracy is illegal, but I think copyright is far worse.
We live in the future!
We live in the future!
I know this is programmer humor but as a tech guy who actually likes tech that isn't destructive, this just makes me sad
I put my dick in the future and it came out more rotund but less grandiose, so i have the conclude the future is Maricopa county, as they grow wide, not tale. Gross amd quidditch corsackage.
The fake money for criminals is the best because there's a lot of people that aren't criminals that have bought in on it and among those the concensus is "I think a bunch of IT neck beards can build a better financial system better than the one that evolved over centuries".
The delusion is laughable.
Honestly I think pretty much anyone could build a better financial system, and more people should try. What we have now is the result of centuries of unchecked power. This monetary policy was created by Richard Nixon and then we adopted a Keynesian rationale post facto. It didn't evolve, it was stolen.
If you've got another idea (including moneyless systems) I'm down to try that too, but what we've got right now is pure garbage, and having no out before the modern era doesn't imply that it's good.
The modern banking system and monetary policy was created under FDR. Nixon just stoped pretending it was backed on gold and told de Gaulle to kick rocks when he asked for the gold back.
Realistically the changes under Nixon are peanuts compared to the digitization of it all since the introduction of systems like Swift.
You say that like Nixon wasn't unilaterally breaking the Bretton Woods Agreement. No offense, but are you an American?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_shock
Yes I am an American and I know what he did, but I also know that the Breton woods agreement was only a small part of the financial system, and that realistically, the economic downturn of the 70s was far more heavily impacted by several oil shocks and the hangover from massive spending on Vietnam.
Is a currency really that much better if it's less stable than balancing two pyramids on their respective tips?
Bitcoin is the youngest currency around and u like all of the other currencies it isn’t mandated or controlled by governments. If inventions have to be 100% perfect out of the gate then you’ll never get anything new.
I think it had it's time to cooldown from the extrme speculative volatility. It has lost it's coolness factor in the mainstream after NFT and AI took over.
Still as volative as ever.
You can't tell me a 11% drop in value can be considered a valid alternative.
You can’t be serious. Bitcoin is less than 20 years old and for most of that time almost everyone thought it was a joke. Most still do. Your timeframe for stabilization is disconnected from reality.
No it's not, it's the oldest (and as such, the worst in almost every way) crypto.
Edit: in case you are like one of the commenters here and struggle with reading comprehension, I did not just say that bitcoin is older than USD. Try reading it slower maybe? If the parentheses is throwing you off, try taking it out completely and reading the sentence without it.
I believe in you.
Right, Bitcoin is older than gold, or the US dollar, or the British pound, France’s franc….
Uh maybe try reading my comment again?
Why? It doesn’t say anything different this time around.
Ok then I don't know what to tell you.
Is your brain just skipping the last word because it comes after a parenthesis?
Hint: I said it's the oldest and worst crypto.
Unless I've missed some huge news, none of the things you snarkily listed are cryptos.
You have to understand that I'm trying very hard to not be an asshole right now lol. Just read the entire goddamn comment
I think it's very true, but cryptocurrency is not the way to go
you dont have to put the meat on the sheet but at least put the sheet on the shelf below it
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"Fake money for criminals" is such a dumb, bootlicker thing to say.
Maybe most "1st world" people don't undersrand it yet but crypto (although most of it is scam, but the good ones like Monero) really enables international transactions and freedom of money and brings so much freedom to the people.
Scammers have ruined the image of cryptocurrenvies but there are actually useful currencies out there like XMR,LTC that are being used frequently for actuall services and products. Not just trading.
Honestly I'd say the ones who ruined it were the cryptobros who only care about seeing number go up. Gave a bad rep to crypto right outta the gate, especially with causing the (first) GPU shortage. Now if you mention crypto to anyone, even with a legitimate interest, they instantly get a bad taste in their mouth.
It is always nice when some service allows payment in Monero though. The default of bitcoin is still prominent, but thankfully most people are realizing it ain't private at all.
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CryptoBroBroligarch !Yes, much better to choose currencies supported by state violence instead of math and open source software. /s
Oh yes, because the US and co. Have decided to put sanctions on a bunch of countries, the "3rd world people" are not allowed to buy products or services or make monetary transactions with the "civilized world"? No, fuck governments and fuck their sanctions and rules. People who insist on doing things, especially monetary transactions only the way the governments and states want to are the definition of bootlicker. Free economy requires free money (free as in freedom)
The first two depend on centralized services and nonfree software, which are things I don't like. The third doesn't. The fourth doesn't have to.
So by those metrics I like cryptocurrency the most. In fact I have invested a bit of my savings in Bitcoin. I have never used Uber or AirBnB meanwhile.
The illegal cab company made legal cabs cheaper and more competitive, after a decade of them charging high prices and pricing shitty service.
Same thing happened when the illegal hotel company came along.
Are you sure? Hotels are still fucking expensive and Airbnb is still cheaper in some US cities.
I'm experiencing the opposite, AirBnB has gotten ridiculous with their pricing. After all the fees and hassle it ends up cheaper staying at an actual hotel.
Where are you located? Just curious
In the Midwest U.S. but that's been my experience visiting FL and NV as well. AirBnB just isn't that competitive anymore.
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I mean if we're opposed to every new technology than obviously we're all going to call it illegal. Doesn't matter what it is. Maybe the pattern is saying something about us and not the tech
The fact that big money keeps creeping in and forcing harmful stuff down everyone’s throats does tell us something about ourselves as a society, yes.
I love em all except the coins at the outset. Uber is too expensive these days but air bnb is utterly fantastically.
That was always the goal. Uber and Lyft prices were heavily subsidized early on. Their investors poured billions into them in order to not just establish market share, but tk drive existing taxi services out of business. Taxi services that had things like: fleets of company-owned vehicles instead of personal vehicles, commercials grade maintenance schedules, stricter licensing requirements for drivers, unionized employees instead of independent contractors, etc
Uber and Lyft just plain ignored a lot of existing regulations by saying "those don't apply because this is an app" to legislators who were too old to know how to turn on a smart phone. They got the public on-board by temporarily offering artificially low prices and high payouts to drivers. Now they have established themselves and removed the competition, so the payouts are going down and the prices are going up.
There are still some US cities that do not allow Uber or Lyft to operate, and there are other countries in the world that do the same.
It's still miles better than Cabs, I can't believe this even has to be argued! When was the last time anyone here defending cabs/shitting on Uber actually took a cab somewhere?
The few times I had to/decided to take a taxi, I got absolutely ripped off. And with an Uber, even if it's expensive, you at least know before hand how much you're paying. You can decline if you think it's too much. Good luck trying that with taxis.
I couldn't give a fuck any the regulations. They sucked and did nothing. Cabs were broken and Uber fixed that shit right up.
How were they broken?
Scamming, not showing up, not servicing 'those people '.
It’s funny you say that, because I couldn’t tell you how many times I’ve been cancelled on by Anglo uber drivers.
👌👍 cabs were great
They weren’t. Uber isn’t either.
Your point?
Is it? Because for any lodging of minimum quality, hotels are cheaper nowadays.
That just not true across the board. I've found solo they are expensive but compared to getting a suite at a hotel they are competitive. You ain't beating the king room at a Hilton though, agreed.
It certainly isn't true AT ALL for group travel. I regularly stay in very nice homes for under $150/night per person.
Where do you stay that you cannot find nice hotels at that rate?
$150 a person is $300 for a hotel room, and I get fresh towels and bed sheets every day.
Without glasses, I thought that said "illegal crab company" and I was all in.
No law can stop carcinization.
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Citizen Sniiiiiiiiiiiips!
Before I go all in with you, I have to know- is this an illegal company where crabs are the product or where crabs are running things?
Yes
It can be whatever you want it to be, baby.
Wait... You're a baby crab, right?
I prefer ethically sourced crab, tbh. I actually like the vat grown seafood because it is better for the environment and fresher inland.
I feel like this is something I'd hear discussed on the Park After Dark podcast (Trailer Park Boys thing, now with 100% less Bubbles for obvious reasons)
that's what I read with glasses, and I thought it was about garage crab farming
Haha, I knew what that one was going to be without clicking. Great channel
Again, I'm all in.
Fake Money for Criminals.
Turns out things for criminals sometimes can be an okay thing for noncriminals.
Also, buying explosives and fake documents. 🥰
The things I like are cheap...
Just be a fake criminal to get infinancial from the CIA OG WHAT IS THAT ME OF SHIT I GEYS GROST OF HAUNTING AS I DO TO MY OWN SELF WANTON WANTED DID NOT WHEAL MBOATS.
Say your country makes baby formula illegal to push some breastfed is the only way agenda, would you consider a mother buying formula online with crypto a criminal?
Legal != Moral
Yes, because criminality has nothing to do with morals. If the state views you as a criminal, you are a criminal. That's why some criminals are still good people and cool.
Be gay, do crime
I wouldn't say it has nothing to do with morals, since (at least hopefully) it's our morals that help guide us when making laws.
But yes, illegal does not necessarily mean immoral, and vice versa.
i’m going with the fake money for criminals, cuz sometimes the criminal in question is a trans person trying to get their medicine
to my great annoyance, almost all diy hrt online can only be bought using crypto. and wow does it make you hate cryptobros to have to navigate an ecosystem clearly designed for speculation to get your life-saving medicine 🫠
that sucks mam.
I hope eventually there are less dumb ways to access the stuff for you.a
You're doing crypto a favor by keeping it at least 1% still anarchist.
Can't you just hold your money in a stable coin like USDC to avoid the volatility and speculation?
the homebrewer i was buying from didn’t support this one, so i would’ve had to convert it, which means fees typically
anyways, i don’t really care to maintain a crypto portfolio. i buy the coin when i buy the thing, so volatility isn’t too much of a concern. my main annoyance is at the bonkers fees that exchanges want because they (rightly) recognize cryptobros as a milkable consumer base
Could use localbitcoin.com (or localmonero I guess), though it's been so long since I've been to those sites that I forget if/what kind of cut the website takes.
But yeah, dunno if you can avoid fees when cashing out to fiat. And if you're using non-kyc sites to swap Monero, they're likely taking some too, for the convenience and privacy (worth it imo)
hmm, i’ll look into that next time i buy hrt. thank you!
Localbitcoin and localmonero are arranged peer-to-peer transactions that I think people sometimes even do in person. So be safe.
You hate the people behind the ecosystem that enables you to get the medicine you require?
i hate the people who turned a way to pay for things anonymously into a stock market.
Creating a market to exchange crypto and cash enables everyone’s use. Speculative markets are a natural feature of something new like bitcoin and would’ve happened regardless.
Fake money probably, it allows me to easily buy drugs from online.
If people value it I guess it isn't so fake. Most "legit" currencies are just the goverment promising you its worth something anyway.
Fiat currency is based on the government's ability to issue and service debt, which is based on its ability to collect taxes, which is based on the economy it oversees. It's a bit roundabout but the pieces all connect.
Crypto is supposed the compensation for providing compute resources to a blockchain, which ostensibly backs some application with actual intrinsic value. In that sense crypto is real, but there are no actual blockchains which support valuable applications. The entire thing much more closely resembles a ponzi scheme where real currency is deposited, and then the appreciation it experiences is proportional to the ratio of inputs vs withdrawals, without there being an actual asset creating value.
A government promising it's worth something carries a hell of a lot more weight than some random tech-bro promising it.
In both cases the trading value of the currency has almost nothing to do with who originated it, and almost everything to do with how the general public feels about it.
Just like crypto, most "government" currencies are worth what they're worth only because everyone agrees that they are. That's called "fiat" currency. And that's why fiat currency exchange markets exist. The US Dollar hasn't been "convertible" (redeemable for a fixed amount of precious metal) since 1971, and many other world currencies were already backed in some way by the US Dollar at that time.
The real difference is in the supply.
Government fiat currency is difficult to counterfeit, although the government (or reserve bank) can always make more whenever they want. We trust them not to print more money, increasing the money supply and devaluing the currency. However, this is exactly what has happened sometimes in the past, and no doubt will happen again in the future.
Crypto currency is virtually impossible to counterfeit, and IIRC there's a finite (but not precisely known) amount of it that can be made, no matter who you are.
Personally, I still use physical fiat currency and no crypto. I'd like to use crypto, but regulation in my country makes it very difficult to use without registering your details with a central authority. And although everyone's pushing e-money options which are similarly tracked, thankfully I still have the option of using anonymous cash.
I don't do anything bad or illegal. I just believe that government and big business don't deserve to know everything I do in my life simply because they want to.
You can use crypto without those registration if you know where to find locals who are willing to trade it for cash. It'll be just like finding a local dealer.
This varies wildly depending on the coin.
Crypto doesn't have value because tech bros say it does, that's not how it works.
You just reminded me that it's been a couple of decades since I Candyflipped. Need to do that again soonish...
Monero my beloved...
I believe in a future where we won't need money anymore, but in the meantime, Monero is a pretty solid choice.
I tried looking at dreadforum to see how markets work nowadays and found out in a minute I was viewing a mirror that was injecting links
I think I'll just ask a dude on the street at this point
But then again I am in a country where that would work with 0 negative consequences for me as the user
Doesn't dread's captcha force you to check the url? Afaik it makes you fill in specific parts of the url, so that you check that the url you are using is the same one they are using. Curious how the mirror was able to bypass that.
Regardless I just spent some initial investment saving the pgp public keys and making sure they are legit, so that I can use them to verify dread's mirrors.txt whenever needed. Faster than walking out to the street imo
It's my first actual visit, and I did what apparently is the obvious faux pas
I googled for dreadforum link, was pointed towards one shown at https://dreadforum.io/
I entered it into tor browser, no captcha was shown and I landed directly on the site/mirror.
The one post I read, something concerning validation and opsec on markets or dreadforum, had an explanation that if the text they wrote in hyphens differed from the url right under it I was already viewing a mirror, as they spelled out a link.
That was true, the url shown was darkmyurl dot com instead of the actual link spelled out hyphenated.
I was humbled, and have now learned that even asking for the true php keys from you right now is submitting to defeat. The only good opsec seems to be your own
Ride sharing, short term rentals, Crypto, and AI?
I'm paying $900 for a short term (week and a half), last minute, airbnb, I'm meeting with a potential roommate tmr to move in on the 1st. Paying real rent instead of paying airbnb hosts.
Correct.
Oh no the terrible ride sharing!
Yeah, like taxis, but without any protections or obligations that taxis provide
Sure, as long as everyone's going to the same place at the same time, and washes and doesn't blast horrendous trap music on a JBL.
Wrong definition there bud.
Ridesharing still gets you the 33 cars.
Yeah, when it was "Hey, I drive to work every day, anyone else on this same route want to pay a bit for gas and share my ride?". It was kind of fine.
But now its just flat out people's "job" as a cabbie without proper cabbie regulation.
It doesn't have to be like this though.
Here, for example, Uber is not allowed and Airbnbs are regulated
What country and why?
Italy. Because you need a license to be a taxi driver, and a random company cannot hand them out (and the taxi drivers union is powerful and corrupt). And because the government gotta know who is renting a room where, you can't just go wherever you want without anyone knowing, especially foreigners. Whenever you rent a room in Italy, the owner will take a picture of your ID/passport, and send your data to the local government. Also you gotta pay taxes on the rooms you rent.
The only things we Italians we are good at is making many regulations, especially ones for safety lmao
See: building regulations
Rare Italian W
(Okay, maybe we are great at doing some regulations, we lack a lot of stuff that is normal for other countries and a lotta of rights...)
Yeah, we are a bureaucracy machine.
People (especially us) often make fun of how convoluted our bureaucracy is, but this has made us extremely good at paper moving. If any country had a go at being us, they would collapse.
I'm not sure that I would consider "we don't have Uber because the Taxi industry is corrupt" to be a win
Well, instead of stealing from the drivers, to give to a corporation, it steals from tourists to give to drivers. I say it's not good but it's still less bad
I’ll never not upvote this meme
I'll never not upvote comments about upvoting this meme.
Yup, the AI is definitely “the plagiarism machine.” 🤣 I’m using that from now on.
I want a none of the above option.
Its an old meme And it all started with illegal banking for musk and their... That should make the cut
16th repost of this meme in 2 years that i've been here.
Yup, pretty annoying.