And only 6 years after they finally got the Whitehouse again, they started plotting for the next massive fuck up era by founding the John Birch Society (which is a major cause for the GOP's current psychosis.
Yeah, I agree. As conservatives go Ike was pretty reasonable.
My point was that almost as soon as the party got the Whitehouse again, influential portions of it started to plot for the next Great Depression like catastrophy.
As an ideological movement, they've proved many times that they cannot be trusted with power.
Don't forget about the McCarthyism of the late 40s and the 50s. Ronald Reagan was involved with that particular movement since the beginning when he testified in front of Congress (specifically the House Un-American Activities Committee) saying that communists were taking over Hollywood.
Yeah but the Democrats were competent back then. I don't have confidence in most of the modern Democrats. There are only like 3 of them who seem to get what's going on
A lot of that comes from the development of corporate lobbyists and special interest groups in the 1970s. Even then they were highly regulated, and oversized campaign contributions still counted as bribes. That all changed after Reagan got into office, and Gucci Gulch got unfettered access to elected officials. After that, a lot of politicians were too tempted by the prospect of getting fantastically wealthy and forgot about the dream of changing the world for the better.
A lot of this isn't really new. To quote Rutherford B. Hayes, The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few and the unscrupulous who represent or control capital. Hundreds of laws of Congress and the state legislatures are in the interest of these men and against the interests of workingmen. These need to be exposed and repealed. All laws on corporations, on taxation, on trusts, wills, descent, and the like, need examination and extensive change. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.
So the influence of wealth and corporate interest on political power is, in fact, an old problem. What frustrates me is how reforms could have been made during their rare collective moments of conscience, and they didn't. To be fair, civil liberties of non-whites and women were a higher priority.
In their view the Great Depression was probably started by a bunch of lazy woke activists who didn't want to work, thus spurring the dust bowl with their uh, inaction. Dust everywhere. No one dusting.
We have an extremely stable, rational market where share prices are based solely on tangible business value and not at all artificially inflated due to completely unrealistic goals and investor greed.
...I'm sorry. I can't even type this with a straight face.
What so bizarre is SCOTUS has always been conservative. We get a couple of judges who are not hardcore conservatives and they help make a couple of rulings that aren't just one sided conservative nonsense and suddenly "they are taking over the judiciary with activist judges".
So the conservatives do exactly this, they start stacking their already suck ass conservative courts that always rule for big business with even more extreme ideological fucktards. Every accusation is a confession I suppose.
The southern strategy was also kind of the major tactic the Democratic Party used to maintain the New Deal coalition. It essentially meant ignoring southern racism in favor of major infrastructure. Southern states just fucked over infrastructure projects where it served black people. It fell apart when, in the 1950s, the Democratic Party began to pursue racial rights.
*edit
But it was Nixon and the GOP that coined it as a term I believe. It's a long standing strategy in American politics, though.
Essentially racism as a political platform developed by Nixon's campaign as a reactionary movement to the Civil Rights movement.
Jerry Falwell didn't want his whites-only college to be integrated by mandate, and started the Moral Majority, a voting bloc that didn't care how crooked a candidate was (or worked against their interests) so long as they were anti-abortion-access. And this helped Reagan win by a landslide in 1980.
And as many history analyses will show you, Reagan was the beginning of the end of the United States by an uncountable number of different metrics.
Remember when the Dems controlled all three bodies and for all that non stop hysterial talk about gun control what happened?.....crickets ..... no change. Why would anyone expect change from either side is always my question.
I'm not a tankie, and I agree with "bOtH sIdEs SaMe" in regards to being pro-military, and pro-corporate, and anti-labor, for example.
Sure, they have some differences, too. But really not that many.
The major parties have another "sAmE"... they are both less than 30% of the voters now. Independents are now 40% of the voters (pick your poll, there are many). So... of course your party machine surrounds you with "both sides" disparagement and talking points.
Also the law that froze the number of house seats (and this number of electrical college votes), screwing everything up and allowing both Bush and the pedo to "win" was passed in 1929.
They have all this control but the only box these guys have ticked is removing some brown people from the country (who they are very likely never crossed paths with). Everything else is getting shitter for them, so what's to celebrate?
Yeah take us back to the start of the great depression, such awesome rad times in America. Everyone was living high on the hog and business was booming!!!
a failure so spectacular, it lead to fdr, the new deal..... republicans wouldn't win the white house back until 1952.
And only 6 years after they finally got the Whitehouse again, they started plotting for the next massive fuck up era by founding the John Birch Society (which is a major cause for the GOP's current psychosis.
that wasn't ike, though. those nutcases thought he was a commie.
Yeah, I agree. As conservatives go Ike was pretty reasonable.
My point was that almost as soon as the party got the Whitehouse again, influential portions of it started to plot for the next Great Depression like catastrophy.
As an ideological movement, they've proved many times that they cannot be trusted with power.
The rich people made a lot of money from the last Great Depression, I bet that's what they're hoping for again.
Don't forget about the McCarthyism of the late 40s and the 50s. Ronald Reagan was involved with that particular movement since the beginning when he testified in front of Congress (specifically the House Un-American Activities Committee) saying that communists were taking over Hollywood.
fingers crossed history repeats itself lol
I don't want another world war, or Jim Crow...
I think we're already in the middle of both of those.
Beginning, sadly.
You're working on the former whilst the latter never really went away.
well I meant the part about Republicans not getting the house for a long time lol
A quarter of the trans population in the US has already been displaced due to the new Republican Jim Crow laws.
The world cup reminds me of the 1936 Berlin Olympics.
Yep..
200 million deaths later, in the 1950s... worth it, said the world?
Surely we learned from our mistakes?
Yeah but the Democrats were competent back then. I don't have confidence in most of the modern Democrats. There are only like 3 of them who seem to get what's going on
A lot of that comes from the development of corporate lobbyists and special interest groups in the 1970s. Even then they were highly regulated, and oversized campaign contributions still counted as bribes. That all changed after Reagan got into office, and Gucci Gulch got unfettered access to elected officials. After that, a lot of politicians were too tempted by the prospect of getting fantastically wealthy and forgot about the dream of changing the world for the better.
A lot of this isn't really new. To quote Rutherford B. Hayes, The real difficulty is with the vast wealth and power in the hands of the few and the unscrupulous who represent or control capital. Hundreds of laws of Congress and the state legislatures are in the interest of these men and against the interests of workingmen. These need to be exposed and repealed. All laws on corporations, on taxation, on trusts, wills, descent, and the like, need examination and extensive change. This is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people no longer. It is a government of corporations, by corporations, and for corporations.
So the influence of wealth and corporate interest on political power is, in fact, an old problem. What frustrates me is how reforms could have been made during their rare collective moments of conscience, and they didn't. To be fair, civil liberties of non-whites and women were a higher priority.
And even that took an actual fucking war hero who could have just as easily been a Democrat.
Ranked choice voting can help mitigate this issue
In their view the Great Depression was probably started by a bunch of lazy woke activists who didn't want to work, thus spurring the dust bowl with their uh, inaction. Dust everywhere. No one dusting.
They should sweep the forests, like they do in sweden
It's what Republican's do best; fuck up the economy.
Conservatives are – and have always been – the enemy of the people.
Rich people back the party that doesn't want to strip them of power and wealth.
The same thing happened in 1928 Germany.
The Trump depression is going to make 2008 look like a picnic.
But I'm already very depressed!
Well...
In response to 2008 we didn't actually fix anything, bail outs just postpone the inevitable.
The New Deal didn't fix things, but kicked the can down the line as well. Anything to prevent us from giving up on capitalism.
I think Techno-feudalism may push us over the line. < Bolshevik chorus swells >
Just harder to get a mortgage, but way easier to get a car loan.
2008 was "just" a recession. A depression is much, much worse
Luckily, we have nothing like that today.
We have an extremely stable, rational market where share prices are based solely on tangible business value and not at all artificially inflated due to completely unrealistic goals and investor greed.
...I'm sorry. I can't even type this with a straight face.
Man, I couldn't get past "rational" without laughing.
What is this Artificial Inflation? I've seen no such thing.
Allowing presidents to pick your justices and then giving them jobs for life is the stupidest system ever created. Ripe for abuse.
What so bizarre is SCOTUS has always been conservative. We get a couple of judges who are not hardcore conservatives and they help make a couple of rulings that aren't just one sided conservative nonsense and suddenly "they are taking over the judiciary with activist judges".
So the conservatives do exactly this, they start stacking their already suck ass conservative courts that always rule for big business with even more extreme ideological fucktards. Every accusation is a confession I suppose.
They have to get approved by our Congress too it's just that they're also not doing their jobs well.
A country built on the back of genocide and slavery is the stupidest system ever created. Ripe for abuse.
There will be inflation and you will love it.
The Great Depression featured deflation, for whatever the hell that's worth.
I mean, that seems like that would be nice to have, at least for a bit...
Knowing what happened in 1929 would require reading and thinking…
*knowing how to and/or being capable of reading and thinking
Hey, at least this time the republicans aren’t jerking off to nonsense tariffs, right?
They don't know a lot of things
Somehow screwworm has returned
Screwworm was a problem in the US in 1928.
Interesting. I wonder how it was resolved given their lower medical knowledge...
More cattle inspections, and when humans or pets got infected, digging them out with a knife. It was true horror.
Make depression great again!
Definitely not the flex they think it is.
There is higher than 0% chance that DJT won't reach a deal with Iran "Soon", the possibility of oil crisis and economic recession are still very real.
Right now, prices and availability are being kept semi stable by draw downs on strategic reserves, but that won’t last forever.
Hell, it probably won’t last another month.
I want the price of gas to be $25 dollars per gallon
$25 a gallon will cause a severe economic recession. I'm not sure I want a third "one in a lifetime recession"
You know, $25 dollars a gallon isn’t enough, make it $35 dollars a gallon
That’s the point, it’s a small price to pay to get rid of orange man
I want the collapse and dissolution of the United States.
I want the balkanization of the United States and $65 dollars a gallon!
Tomato / tomatah!
I volunteer as tribute in the Hunger Games? Ugh.
The chance is 100% lol, have you been paying attention?
ah yes, party like its the most recent '28. with a beer.
which was illegal at the time.
some kind of dog whistle?
That was before the Southern Strategy
The what?
To oversimplify, the parties “switched” platforms in the 60s when Republicans realized that they could appeal to uneducated, racist white people.
The southern strategy was also kind of the major tactic the Democratic Party used to maintain the New Deal coalition. It essentially meant ignoring southern racism in favor of major infrastructure. Southern states just fucked over infrastructure projects where it served black people. It fell apart when, in the 1950s, the Democratic Party began to pursue racial rights.
*edit But it was Nixon and the GOP that coined it as a term I believe. It's a long standing strategy in American politics, though.
Essentially racism as a political platform developed by Nixon's campaign as a reactionary movement to the Civil Rights movement.
Jerry Falwell didn't want his whites-only college to be integrated by mandate, and started the Moral Majority, a voting bloc that didn't care how crooked a candidate was (or worked against their interests) so long as they were anti-abortion-access. And this helped Reagan win by a landslide in 1980.
And as many history analyses will show you, Reagan was the beginning of the end of the United States by an uncountable number of different metrics.
That was always the plan, Make America Greatdepression Again.
Roaring 30s
I don't know how bad the US education is, but this is a fake post, right? Right?
Honestly? As someone educated in the US who has spent the last couple decades recovering from that education, it's a coin toss.
Remember when the Dems controlled all three bodies and for all that non stop hysterial talk about gun control what happened?.....crickets ..... no change. Why would anyone expect change from either side is always my question.
Sorry when was this that dems had filibuster proof control of house, senate and presidency for a while?
Probably when they put through romneycare.
I’d rather take no change than chaos. What do you expect will happen?
Tankies will continue to say both sides same
Tankies really follow the will of the despots.
I'm not a tankie, and I agree with "bOtH sIdEs SaMe" in regards to being pro-military, and pro-corporate, and anti-labor, for example.
Sure, they have some differences, too. But really not that many.
The major parties have another "sAmE"... they are both less than 30% of the voters now. Independents are now 40% of the voters (pick your poll, there are many). So... of course your party machine surrounds you with "both sides" disparagement and talking points.
Good, it's to be expected.
Which side is against genocide? Which side is against war?
nO! it's diFFeREnt thiS Time!
The same shit as right now.
Also the law that froze the number of house seats (and this number of electrical college votes), screwing everything up and allowing both Bush and the pedo to "win" was passed in 1929.
It should be triple by now.
They have all this control but the only box these guys have ticked is removing some brown people from the country (who they are very likely never crossed paths with). Everything else is getting shitter for them, so what's to celebrate?
Party like it's 1928! But with soda and lemonade!
Trump will take office again in 1928 and then we can have second depression time!
Something something military oath
Yeah take us back to the start of the great depression, such awesome rad times in America. Everyone was living high on the hog and business was booming!!!