*in the US. Norway has charged Thorbjørn Jagland and in the UK Peter Mandelson and the Andrew formerly known as Prince were arrested, plus a number of other countries have criminal investigations ongoing. All so far for corruption rather than sex crimes but that's probably a function of what's easier to prove in court.
He was released quickly. He and the diplomat were only arrested for leaking state secrets. GHCQ couldn't even pretend to give a fuck about the kids, rapes, murders, etc...
Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove, even if the victim goes to the police immediately and there's physical evidence taken.
First of all, the supposed rapist can say "There was no rape". At times, the physical evidence can make that seem unlikely. In particular if there's evidence of violence and there's semen, then it's easy to believe that violence + sex = rape. But, if either of those is missing it's hard to prove that a rape even occurred.
Second, the supposed rapist can say "It wasn't me". Before DNA analysis it was hard to prove who was at the scene. These days, if there's semen at the scene at least you can say that a certain man was present and involved in something sexual.
Third, the supposed rapist can say "It was consensual". Given that most of the time there are only 2 witnesses, it's difficult to say which witness is lying and which is telling the truth. A jury might have a strong suspicion, but a strong suspicion isn't "reasonable doubt".
In the Epstein cases, you can at least sometimes eliminate the third objection. If the victims were underage, they couldn't consent. But, that still leaves the other two major issues. Those are the ones that really require physical evidence. And, in these cases, the evidence is long gone. So, you can't prove that a rape occurred using physical evidence, nor can you prove that a certain man was at the scene using physical evidence. What you're left with is two witnesses using their flawed memory to recall details of something that happened a decade ago.
Maybe using flight logs and emails you can prove that Andrew was on the island at the same time as a victim. Maybe you can put Andrew in a photograph with the victim, showing that he had met her at some point. That's enough to be very suspicious, but it's not enough to get a rape conviction.
Now, you said "child sex trafficking" not rape. But, if anything, that's even harder to prove. Step 1 of proving sex trafficking is probably proving the "sex" part, and that's going to be extremely difficult a decade later without any physical evidence. As for the trafficking, you'd have to prove that certain people were moved to certain places. But, that would rely on accurate documents like flight logs listing everybody on a flight. But, we've seen that a lot of the flight logs are incomplete, or they don't name the girls on the flights.
I'm sure there are powerful people trying to slow, stall or stop any attempt to prosecute anybody for what happened. But, at the same time, even if they were putting in a massive effort, it might not be possible to actually get a conviction anymore because too much time has passed and too much of the evidence is gone.
We already knew after Jimmy Saville (a high profile celebrity, pedophile, and sexual predator who victimized hundreds - likely thousands - over a period spanning sixty years, only getting "caught" after his death when victims could speak up without fear of reprisal) that there are a large number of people in British media and government who are not only willing to turn a blind eye, but to actively assist a predator in acquiring fresh victims and crushing any investigations into them, either to avoid scandal or because someone even higher up the chain told them to. It's not surprising that the rot reaches all the way to the top.
Wouldn't even be a far fetch to believe one of the reasons nothing happens around the Epstein papers are the assassinations of journalists who investigated the Panama papers…
The released files contain the anonymous tips people sent in, including ones sent after Epstein became public knowledge. This tip was likely fake (or at least the fading embers of my faith in humanity hope it is), but we'll never know for sure due to the DOJ's refusal to investigate any of it.
It's good that they don't investigate it now. They'd just bury anything they want and purposefully do a bad job. If a shred of normalcy ever returns to the White House then it can be investigated properly
Silly Biden - back then it was presumed that the president shouldn't interfere with investigations like that. They should be done apolitically, and independently.
Communications use shortcuts. You didn't define what "return to normalcy" was and I didn't put restrictions on what that meant. After the first trump presidency, there was already a "return to normalcy" in which the US government was in stable enough hands to do all that, and nothing happened.
I wasn't saying that "Biden needed to personally handcuff trump and put him behind bars" I was saying "the US already returned to a state of normalcy where the correct investigation could have happened and justice dealt, however this was not done."
I agree. Biden was too worried about looking like he was politically interfering and even put republicans in charge. He get them a chance to clean house and they failed miserably. And so Biden failed clearly also. Hopefully if they get another chance, the gloves come off.
Putting William Barr, a Republican and someone with multiple indirect connections to Epstein*, in charge of the investigation ranks among the stupidest decisions Biden made during his presidency. He killed any chance at seeing justice done and opened the doors for a second Trump term out of his outdated belief that reaching a hand across the aisle is still effective in a post-civility politics era.
This whole clusterfuck could have been avoided if literally anything had been done to prevent it, but Biden's desire to appear impartial had him put someone in charge who had multiple reasons to slow-walk and kill the case. A case where, again, any ethical lawyer in Barr's position would have recused themselves given his historical connections to Epstein.
* Through the law firm he used to work for as well as his father. AFAIK there no direct link between the two, but it was still enough to make him an unacceptable choice.
Then lock him the fuck up. What is confusing about this for you?
The US sure as shit has the jails and prison space. Heck, I bet the US might even have enough judges, cops, and prosecutors to arrest and try 2, or maybe even more, geriatric pedophiles at the same time.
There's straight up emails and texts of him questioning chefs about it they can make "shrimp" in all the colors, the potential chefs are disgusted by "shrimp" but think it could be worth the money. Shrimp is their term for fetus.
Also let's not forget about the jerky and all the people who just absolutely had to have more like it was a crack addiction and how they couldn't get more jerky when Epstein was "trying to get back on normal food".
Even what I said is barely scratching the surface of just how fucked the whole situation was, go read the files for yourself. The only way we improve after this is by having a majority of the global population read these sick fucks own words about it.
Now I'm aware this dude (flesh simulator) has gone of the deep end a bit, but I think that's kinda expected and understandable based on his video history. That was mostly after this video though, and only kinda in some ways, he's not gone complete loony.
(And, obviously, graphic content warning. No images or extreme audio, just the stuff you picture while he's going through everything. It's not fun, don't watch if you feel even a bit unsure if you can handle it).
Some people are choosing to interpret a few references to food items like jerky and cream cheese as code for cannibalism. Any case like this is going to attract a certain amount of noise around it - including the belief that nothing is being done to investigate it - which just muddies the real crimes. I've seen people try to involve space aliens in all this.
Viewing justice as the punishment of the guilty is conservatism 101.
The real failure is that no legislation, law-enforcement, or court action has been taken to address why billionaires can snatch little girls off the street. The real failure is that rape is barely even illegal in the US, and it's viewed as right and proper when powerful men have access to little girls the same way their wealth provides them with access to all rare and desirable objects.
This isn't because our leaders are sick, it's because our society is. These men didn't steal our daughters, we sold them out, cheap. No amount of Presidents in prison will change that.
there must be an alternative first; we need the fediverse to be good and reliable before facebook can go down. otherwise people are not gonna leave facebook
Heavily regulate Meta, Amazon, Microslop, and others as corporations, introducing consumer friendly regulations that curb the power these companies have over daily life, impose massive taxes on people who have over, let's just say 650 million USD in assets (not just liquid money) and give the laws actual teeth. Fines based on percent gross income for the corporation and hold both the CEO AND board of directors accountable for the actions of the corporation as a whole, then remove the ability for non-human persons to make political contributions. Just for a start
Who's gonna regulate them? Clearly "the people" aren't up to the task, considering how free we let the Epstein pedoclass run rampant. Most of our paychecks rely on them. How do we regulate these corporations? And how many steps away from that is getting billionaires to stop fucking our children?
man i don’t know im just a fuken carpenter. i get more depressed every day about the people we sent there to fix shit just deciding to get rich instead. fuck you i got mine until there’s nothing left to get.
To be clear before I say this, I hope Diddy rots and he definitely did that shit in my opinion and more folks(Kevin Hart for example) should be punished for their involvement, but it’s really the most darkly hilarious example of systemic racism, that he’s the mass rapist/sex trafficker/abuser getting sent away forever, meanwhile to my knowledge, nobody accused anyone of eating a baby at Diddys parties, but the rich white folks that allegedly raped and ate babies are getting elected president
It's crazy how much corruption is on full display. I guess that's one of the only positive things about the internet lately. We can see the whole world is going through it. All the time.
Advocating for them (the government, whatever team they happen to be on) acting on the Epstein files is like asking a toddler nicely to punish themselves. It is not in their best interest to do so, because it hurts their main benefactor, the owning class. The only way to have a shot at this happening is if the government is no longer owned by the owning class. To get there, you'd need to get rid of a number of things:
the threat of capital flight ("if you do something I don't like, I will take my gizmo factory elsewhere")
the ability of the owning class to shape the opinions of the electorate through owning the media (social and legacy) they consume
the ability of the owning class to legally bribe politicians ("if you do this thing I like, you will get a cushy job at my gizmo factory, or I'll pay you 500k to talk at my event for an hour", also super PACs)
Until you get rid of all this, no one (on any side of the aisle) will ever do anything about the epstein files, no matter how many parades/protests you do. Your collective votes do not weigh up against the three points I mentioned. See also the Panama papers.
Oh and voting doesn't work to fix the three points, because the three points ensure that most candidates (on either side of the aisle) do not benefit from doing anything about them, and the ones that do don't have much of a shot at winning (see point 2).
Oh shit yeah you're right, I forgot about the democrats! I love how they advocate for universal health care in their campaigns, as well as workers rights, and anti war stuff. Remember when Harris said she actually didn't like fracking? Man those guys really care about the environment. I really loved how they didn't send billions in military aid to a nation committing a genocide. Oh and remember when they reinstated roe v wade? Man that was heroic. Personally, I'll never forget when Biden released the Epstein files and prosecuted the people involved in the pedophile sex ring, similarly to when Obama acted on the Panama papers and curbed billionaire tax evasion. Thank God these guys never bailed out any banks. Very glad they're on our side, and clearly not beholden entirely to corporate interests.
When you have an unfortunately biased 2 party system, you can choose the formless weird airline food or the pile of glass and barbed wire. You are suggesting that we do nothing at all, or just not vote, which helps glass barbedwire burger-man.
We can progress out of shit soup, but we are headed toward fascism. We just need to get rid of Dumpling first. Dumpling, then AIPAC and replace congress, and eventually the presidency. Throwing a fit and being cool with a worse (now potentially unstoppable) option doesnt make you morally superior or anything of the sort. Leopards, meet face.
Man why am I even arguing with a bad faith arguing bot, tf is wrong with me.
Not exactly - congressional investigations are going on, but processes IRL don't produce results in 22 minutes like on TV. It doesn't work like, "We see you're in the files, welcome to jail."
Epstein himself was indicted more like 20 years ago. The 22 minute TV show reference was overly sarcastic, but I'm not an apologist for anyone. The justice system is just excruciatingly slow. My belief is that Bonespurs will probably dodge all consequences by having his final Big Mac Attack. With him gone, his coattail riders will probably start backstabbing each other and maybe then we'll see some action.
This isn't a "justice is slow" problem. This is a "the justice system only serves to punish the poor and powerless" problem.
The fact of these files is they were in the hands of the FBI and prosecutors 20 years ago. Nothing happened as a result even though there appears to be dozens of individuals capable of being charged with crimes. That's 20 years of incriminating evidence just sitting around collecting dust because it'd be politically inconvenient to pursue charges.
Justice moves rapidly when a power tripping cop wants to ruin you life. It moves very slowly when a rich pedophile rapes children.
Right? If it were a poor person they'd have zero qualms about putting them in jail while sorting it all out too. There is nothing that can disguise that our 'justice' system exists almost entirely to suppress the poor and enable the rich.
Depends - was it a random guy you caught doing those things or a random guy whose name you found in an email? Somehow people seem to think this should be as slam dunk as catching a bunch of anime bad guys with EVIL stamped on their foreheads.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - all I did was google "Epstein investigations" - things not showing up on whatever feeds you scroll through doesn't necessarily mean nobody's reporting them.
There were a few emails from people asking epstein for some of his jerky. Annoyed replies saying that the supply of jerky given them should have lasted longer. Then an email from Maxwell saying something to the effect of "there will be no more jerky for a while, Mr. Epstein has decided to return to normal food."
I do not know in what other context that could have possibly been other than cannibalism.
Yet many of us beg them for our lives from 9 to 5 everyday, helping them do their evil deeds. "I'll donate 25% of my salary to charity to cleanse my conscious of working for billionaires no matter how much I dislike it."
I mean outside of America people have lost their jobs and their titles and potentially jail time due to appearing in the files. You can argue it's not enough but I will stress outside of America there has been some semblance of accountability.
In America absolutely nothing has happened. Nothing. Speaks volumes of the nation.
The emperor is without his clothes. We all see it.
I have not read any of the files yet, but I have been told they include unsubstantiated and un-investigated reports, some of which may be "trolling" and not even attempt to contain any truth.
That said, cannibalism is, IMO, a lesser moral failing than what the victim reported (and continue to support).
I read a bit of the stuff from the tip line. Some of it is very raw, and that's putting it nicely. Like, I had a neighbor who was troubled by delusions. Some sounded spot on like that, a story that wasn't just absolutely wild, but didn't fit with some known facts.
Most likely codename for drugs, "jerky" for something or other. It just takes away attention from the real crime of raping underage people. Yeah, maybe some got raped to death, but that don't mean anyone ate them.
the USA is the most corrupt country on earth I am curious as to why anyone is surprised. Donald Trump is literally in charge of enforcing the laws there.
Most of those people are currently government officials in different countries around the world and they see Americans aren't bothered by their high ranking criminals so they don't bother with their own.
there are over 3 MILLION more documents being withheld, and they aren't releasing like ANY of the video evidence, of which Epstein allegedly had many many terabytes
Here's a video about the cannibalism part, I seriously can't imagine it being anything else than that.
(Graphic warning content. No fucked up images of audio, just the ideas and images you get when he's going through everything. Don't watch if you're even a bit unsure if you can handle it).
Yeah, maybe I'm being dense, but I don't see any cannibalism evidence presented in that video. After watching it, I'm even less concerned something like that might have happened.
I'm all for believing they raped underage people. Teens, preteens, kids. I can believe that. But these "jerky" things are so fucking lazy, it's just drugs. It's a lazy codename for drugs. And the stupid chickenleg picture is just some old art project photo from Spain or whatever country it was.
Reality is epstein ring is still running, kidnapping children and raping them and murdering them. We have zero evidence that any of it ever stopped, just that epstein was killed and maxwell imprisoned. But, not a signle reason to believe trump and the rest ever stopped.
Yet we permit them to do this every day. Most of us have jobs helping the wealthiest get richer, we get paid to help them, our lives depend on it, so that they can get rid of their crimes. I'm sure if we continue to slightly tweak the system from within, with permission from the pedoclass elites, things will get better /s
There's a restaurant called "Cannibal" mentioned, with "beef jerky" being one of their spotlighted food. There's also more references to jerky. https://youtu.be/ghUNyJzLkfE
i wouldnt be surprised if beastiality is also involved but not revealed, since beastaility often goes hand in hand with PEDOPHELIA And other deviant behaviour. illicit discussion board on the dark web, or obscure sites have lal these combined, it stands to reason that epstien paraphelia island has it too.
Ok, but what happens now? Are these people arrested? Are they removed from their positions? Any actions are taken by you or somebody else? Any protests? No? So, why they need to sweat?
As long as these criminals are staying in high power, they do not need to worry. And honestly, you are a fool to think that many of them don’t have connections high up that will protect them or sufficient money to pay people.
The DOJ does suck, and Epstein (and Maxwell) were horrific rapists and sex trafficers. However, the files don't prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network. All this shit about a widespread cannibal cabal makes you look disturbed and conspiratorial, instead of facing the much less crazy, but arguably just as sad facts.
However, the files don't prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network.
Right, it just proves there's a widespread group of people who came together and came to an agreement about the crimes they were committing and how they would get away with it. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what a word for that would be....
conspiracy /kən-spîr′ə-sē/
noun
An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
I just don't believe there was a large, organized group of people doing cannibalism and such. It is extremely unlikely that such a conspiracy would exist for a sustained period of time.
I don't care how large the group committing the acts are if there is, in fact, a large conspiracy of people actively protecting them. One person actively committing the crime is one too many, and anyone protecting them is complicit. If this were a bank robbery where someone was killed, the getaway driver still gets the murder conviction, even if he never went in the building.
To bastardize an old saying, if there are 10 people at a table and they choose to let the cannibalistic pedophile sit down and don't immediately eject them with a brick, you have a group of 11 people conspiring to protect a cannibalistic pedophile.
I don't think I've defended billionaires, their existence is inherently immoral, regardless of whether they are cannibals or not. Also, I don't appreciate the ad hominem remark. I was just engaging in the discourse, as I am interested in how misinformation and conspiratorial ideas develop and propagate.
No I think I've spent the last 10-20 years listening to right wing pundits push crazier and crazier conspiracy theories.
I don't give a fuck what the right thinks. They can release the Epstein Files and prove all of this wrong in an instant, they haven't — so they're cannibals.
Why would the right's crazy conspiracy theories influence reality? I get the projection narrative, but just mirroring what a crazy person says does not necessarily make it not crazy.
You cannot reason someone into a position they did not reason themselves into. What they think and how they feel does not matter, because they aren't the ones in control of it.
I am not mirroring a crazy person, I am shining a light on their crazy. If they'd like to set the record straight they're more than welcome to, but the ball is in their court.
Because of the cannibalism, of course.
Edit: oh, and I know exactly how it influences reality — did you see what happened recently to vaccine mandates in the U.S.? We reduced the number of childhood vaccines from 17 to 11. The specific vaccines are: respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY and meningococcal B. They've cited that only children in high risk categories should get these vaccines.
If that isn't evidence of crazy conspiracy theories affecting reality I don't know what is.
Thanks for the correction, you're right, crazy conspiracy theories do affect reality in that way. I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won't make it reality. So by that example, no matter how much the right was 'projecting' about cannibalism and other stuff, that by itself is not proof, or proof of the contrary.
I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won't make it reality.
I understand where you're coming from, and you're absolutely correct. This is information warfare though, and one side accepts facts and science while the other accepts vibes. Cannabalism is a bad vibe, and if the right wing media ecosystem tries to sanewash it (like the whole 'Trump isn't a pedo, he's a hebephile' sham) — they don't come back from that.
We have to use their cognitive disability against them.
The released files literally include correspondence where Epstein is directing the conspiracy theories that Qanon/Rogan/4chan ended up pushing. And the rest of the files confirm that the conspiracies pushed were just admitting what he and his friends were doing but blame other people.
I don't think that's correct, maybe I'm wrong but the files released so far at least don't include that. Regardless, I'm not disputing that he and his friends did horrific things, might as well have blamed them on others. I am just saying that extrapolating that to a large scale conspiracy with the active participation of the number of people suggested is super unlikely. This is in no way meant to defend anyone involved with Epstein, they are despicable ghouls who should suffer the consequences of their actions.
I'm no shill, just a skeptic. I get the righteous anger, I hate everything about the people involved too, we just disagree on what, in the grand scheme of things, are insignificant details.
*in the US. Norway has charged Thorbjørn Jagland and in the UK Peter Mandelson and the Andrew formerly known as Prince were arrested, plus a number of other countries have criminal investigations ongoing. All so far for corruption rather than sex crimes but that's probably a function of what's easier to prove in court.
this gave me a good chuckle
He was released quickly. He and the diplomat were only arrested for leaking state secrets. GHCQ couldn't even pretend to give a fuck about the kids, rapes, murders, etc...
Iirc, that was for sharing state secrets, not for being a pedophile rapist.
On the one hand, whatever sticks. On the other, WHY can’t we somehow make child sex trafficking charges stick?
Because when the top people presiding over sex trafficking cases look in the mirror, they find 14 year old girls attractive too.
Because money and power are more important to people making decisions than doing things for the betterment of society.
Sadly the best people to lead are usually people who don't want positions of power like that.
Not that anyone in the "royal" family did literally anything to get where they are...
Rape cases are notoriously difficult to prove, even if the victim goes to the police immediately and there's physical evidence taken.
First of all, the supposed rapist can say "There was no rape". At times, the physical evidence can make that seem unlikely. In particular if there's evidence of violence and there's semen, then it's easy to believe that violence + sex = rape. But, if either of those is missing it's hard to prove that a rape even occurred.
Second, the supposed rapist can say "It wasn't me". Before DNA analysis it was hard to prove who was at the scene. These days, if there's semen at the scene at least you can say that a certain man was present and involved in something sexual.
Third, the supposed rapist can say "It was consensual". Given that most of the time there are only 2 witnesses, it's difficult to say which witness is lying and which is telling the truth. A jury might have a strong suspicion, but a strong suspicion isn't "reasonable doubt".
In the Epstein cases, you can at least sometimes eliminate the third objection. If the victims were underage, they couldn't consent. But, that still leaves the other two major issues. Those are the ones that really require physical evidence. And, in these cases, the evidence is long gone. So, you can't prove that a rape occurred using physical evidence, nor can you prove that a certain man was at the scene using physical evidence. What you're left with is two witnesses using their flawed memory to recall details of something that happened a decade ago.
Maybe using flight logs and emails you can prove that Andrew was on the island at the same time as a victim. Maybe you can put Andrew in a photograph with the victim, showing that he had met her at some point. That's enough to be very suspicious, but it's not enough to get a rape conviction.
Now, you said "child sex trafficking" not rape. But, if anything, that's even harder to prove. Step 1 of proving sex trafficking is probably proving the "sex" part, and that's going to be extremely difficult a decade later without any physical evidence. As for the trafficking, you'd have to prove that certain people were moved to certain places. But, that would rely on accurate documents like flight logs listing everybody on a flight. But, we've seen that a lot of the flight logs are incomplete, or they don't name the girls on the flights.
I'm sure there are powerful people trying to slow, stall or stop any attempt to prosecute anybody for what happened. But, at the same time, even if they were putting in a massive effort, it might not be possible to actually get a conviction anymore because too much time has passed and too much of the evidence is gone.
We already knew after Jimmy Saville (a high profile celebrity, pedophile, and sexual predator who victimized hundreds - likely thousands - over a period spanning sixty years, only getting "caught" after his death when victims could speak up without fear of reprisal) that there are a large number of people in British media and government who are not only willing to turn a blind eye, but to actively assist a predator in acquiring fresh victims and crushing any investigations into them, either to avoid scandal or because someone even higher up the chain told them to. It's not surprising that the rot reaches all the way to the top.
They got Al Capone on tax evasion.
yeah because that's what matters to the overlords: that they get a fair share of your profits, doesn't matter where you got them from
Andy was released after 11 hours. The british "police" keep tradesmen in jail longer for having a utility knife on them.
Im going to hell for laughing at that Prince joke.
No you're not.
I'm going to hell because I can't find my wallet I think I left it there
Oh, cool. Do you also go to hell in the winter to escape the cold? I go every year
Better book now, the view condos are already taken.
Well I'm sure you could use the exercise.
Don't worry, they'll get to it once the Panama Papers are dealt with 😎👍
Wouldn't even be a far fetch to believe one of the reasons nothing happens around the Epstein papers are the assassinations of journalists who investigated the Panama papers…
And they say they can't catch criminals if end to end encryption exists. All this was over email in plaintext with their primary addresses.
You're not distinguishing between "can't" (e2e) and "won't" (the obscenely rich).
they know, but some of us are above the law and it shows... clearly.
This Right Here!
Excuse me, cannibalism!?
The released files contain the anonymous tips people sent in, including ones sent after Epstein became public knowledge. This tip was likely fake (or at least the fading embers of my faith in humanity hope it is), but we'll never know for sure due to the DOJ's refusal to investigate any of it.
It's good that they don't investigate it now. They'd just bury anything they want and purposefully do a bad job. If a shred of normalcy ever returns to the White House then it can be investigated properly
You mean like when Biden was in power?
Silly Biden - back then it was presumed that the president shouldn't interfere with investigations like that. They should be done apolitically, and independently.
Communications use shortcuts. You didn't define what "return to normalcy" was and I didn't put restrictions on what that meant. After the first trump presidency, there was already a "return to normalcy" in which the US government was in stable enough hands to do all that, and nothing happened.
I wasn't saying that "Biden needed to personally handcuff trump and put him behind bars" I was saying "the US already returned to a state of normalcy where the correct investigation could have happened and justice dealt, however this was not done."
I agree. Biden was too worried about looking like he was politically interfering and even put republicans in charge. He get them a chance to clean house and they failed miserably. And so Biden failed clearly also. Hopefully if they get another chance, the gloves come off.
Putting William Barr, a Republican and someone with multiple indirect connections to Epstein*, in charge of the investigation ranks among the stupidest decisions Biden made during his presidency. He killed any chance at seeing justice done and opened the doors for a second Trump term out of his outdated belief that reaching a hand across the aisle is still effective in a post-civility politics era.
This whole clusterfuck could have been avoided if literally anything had been done to prevent it, but Biden's desire to appear impartial had him put someone in charge who had multiple reasons to slow-walk and kill the case. A case where, again, any ethical lawyer in Barr's position would have recused themselves given his historical connections to Epstein.
* Through the law firm he used to work for as well as his father. AFAIK there no direct link between the two, but it was still enough to make him an unacceptable choice.
Trump was still firmly in control of the Republican Party and Miller still held the reins.
Then it sounds like their control of government and power is what is 'normal'.
I feel seen.
As I heard it, literal newborn infant cannibalism.
And given how literally everything the right says is projection, it matches up completely with the shit they were accusing Hillary Clinton of
Well, Bill isn't an innocent man either.
Then lock him the fuck up. What is confusing about this for you?
The US sure as shit has the jails and prison space. Heck, I bet the US might even have enough judges, cops, and prosecutors to arrest and try 2, or maybe even more, geriatric pedophiles at the same time.
Yes we would all love to see that, but the Clintons and Biden made sure that didn't happen.
Epstein coverup was a democratic-led game for a long time.
That was then this is now. Explain now to me.
Civilizational collapse is what's happening now.
It's not just the Clintons and Biden. Harris and Trump are just as bad on this issue.
True, I'm just saying that whichever party is pretending to run the US, it becomes their job to cover up the files.
WhatAboutBillism
I wasn't the one who brought up Hilary
She was brought up as an example of projection, you brought up Bill as whataboutism. How are you this dumb?
Ya don't say
There's straight up emails and texts of him questioning chefs about it they can make "shrimp" in all the colors, the potential chefs are disgusted by "shrimp" but think it could be worth the money. Shrimp is their term for fetus.
Also let's not forget about the jerky and all the people who just absolutely had to have more like it was a crack addiction and how they couldn't get more jerky when Epstein was "trying to get back on normal food".
There is no fucking way they served fetus from all races around a platter. Get a hold of yourself.
Read the files, there is correspondence between Epstein and the potential chefs. GO FUCKING READ THEM.
Wtaf
Even what I said is barely scratching the surface of just how fucked the whole situation was, go read the files for yourself. The only way we improve after this is by having a majority of the global population read these sick fucks own words about it.
Watch this:
https://youtu.be/ghUNyJzLkfE
Now I'm aware this dude (flesh simulator) has gone of the deep end a bit, but I think that's kinda expected and understandable based on his video history. That was mostly after this video though, and only kinda in some ways, he's not gone complete loony.
(And, obviously, graphic content warning. No images or extreme audio, just the stuff you picture while he's going through everything. It's not fun, don't watch if you feel even a bit unsure if you can handle it).
That shouldnt be as shocking as it is compared to the other things...but it is
Some people are choosing to interpret a few references to food items like jerky and cream cheese as code for cannibalism. Any case like this is going to attract a certain amount of noise around it - including the belief that nothing is being done to investigate it - which just muddies the real crimes. I've seen people try to involve space aliens in all this.
They're literally a Satanic cult pretending to be Christians.
Viewing justice as the punishment of the guilty is conservatism 101.
The real failure is that no legislation, law-enforcement, or court action has been taken to address why billionaires can snatch little girls off the street. The real failure is that rape is barely even illegal in the US, and it's viewed as right and proper when powerful men have access to little girls the same way their wealth provides them with access to all rare and desirable objects.
This isn't because our leaders are sick, it's because our society is. These men didn't steal our daughters, we sold them out, cheap. No amount of Presidents in prison will change that.
well let’s try putting a president in prison to test your theory in the meantime.
All right, how do you suggest we proceed?
destroy fecesbook, goolag and microslop, as a start. they are all contributing to sickening the society
How do you suggest we do that, as a start? Just "Destroy everything" isn't a start, it's a finish.
there must be an alternative first; we need the fediverse to be good and reliable before facebook can go down. otherwise people are not gonna leave facebook
these companies are always operating as if they were above any regulations. lets enforce the regulations.
also break up these companies, each has lots of services that should be its own unrelated company, mostly because the big one has bought up small ones
Heavily regulate Meta, Amazon, Microslop, and others as corporations, introducing consumer friendly regulations that curb the power these companies have over daily life, impose massive taxes on people who have over, let's just say 650 million USD in assets (not just liquid money) and give the laws actual teeth. Fines based on percent gross income for the corporation and hold both the CEO AND board of directors accountable for the actions of the corporation as a whole, then remove the ability for non-human persons to make political contributions. Just for a start
More of a middle than a start. How do we actually do those things? Do I have to sign paperwork? Do I have to come into the dealership?
People, especially online, are super good at the middle and end parts that they like to call "a start". Terrible at actual starts, though.
Who's gonna regulate them? Clearly "the people" aren't up to the task, considering how free we let the Epstein pedoclass run rampant. Most of our paychecks rely on them. How do we regulate these corporations? And how many steps away from that is getting billionaires to stop fucking our children?
man i don’t know im just a fuken carpenter. i get more depressed every day about the people we sent there to fix shit just deciding to get rich instead. fuck you i got mine until there’s nothing left to get.
I was raped as a child myself (Catholic gang not Epstein gang) you can go ahead and leave me right out of that "we".
And we see only the tame half of the Epstein files. The other 3 mil have not been released
Exactly. It's not random, they keep the worst, most damaging parts redacted or unreleased...
Imagine being P. Diddy, lol. I'd be so salty.
To be clear before I say this, I hope Diddy rots and he definitely did that shit in my opinion and more folks(Kevin Hart for example) should be punished for their involvement, but it’s really the most darkly hilarious example of systemic racism, that he’s the mass rapist/sex trafficker/abuser getting sent away forever, meanwhile to my knowledge, nobody accused anyone of eating a baby at Diddys parties, but the rich white folks that allegedly raped and ate babies are getting elected president
ok, you can't drop that and not elaborate.
Anyone remember the Panama papers?
It's crazy how much corruption is on full display. I guess that's one of the only positive things about the internet lately. We can see the whole world is going through it. All the time.
The internet has also made a suziable part of the population billionaire defenders.
We just need to hope that when the time comes, ALL the pawns turn around.
That journalist in Malta does.
Or she would have, had she not been murdered with a car bomb.
https://www.wired.com/story/he-blew-the-whistle-on-doge-then-his-brakes-were-cut/
Makes you think.
Putin was all over those. But we went straight into a Russian Reset under Obama, regardless.
Almost as though corruption is a feature, not a bug
You see why they rather bomb Iran than deal with the Epstein case
Why don't they redirect their bombing lust toward the rapists & cannibals & pedophiles among themselves?
Advocating for them (the government, whatever team they happen to be on) acting on the Epstein files is like asking a toddler nicely to punish themselves. It is not in their best interest to do so, because it hurts their main benefactor, the owning class. The only way to have a shot at this happening is if the government is no longer owned by the owning class. To get there, you'd need to get rid of a number of things:
Until you get rid of all this, no one (on any side of the aisle) will ever do anything about the epstein files, no matter how many parades/protests you do. Your collective votes do not weigh up against the three points I mentioned. See also the Panama papers.
Oh and voting doesn't work to fix the three points, because the three points ensure that most candidates (on either side of the aisle) do not benefit from doing anything about them, and the ones that do don't have much of a shot at winning (see point 2).
If everyone is on the same evil side, overthrow the government already. Why wait?
Democraps definitely havent been trying to pass positive legislation for decades and succeeded some of the time. Theyre the exact same!
Now let me go snort some glass and coke!
Oh shit yeah you're right, I forgot about the democrats! I love how they advocate for universal health care in their campaigns, as well as workers rights, and anti war stuff. Remember when Harris said she actually didn't like fracking? Man those guys really care about the environment. I really loved how they didn't send billions in military aid to a nation committing a genocide. Oh and remember when they reinstated roe v wade? Man that was heroic. Personally, I'll never forget when Biden released the Epstein files and prosecuted the people involved in the pedophile sex ring, similarly to when Obama acted on the Panama papers and curbed billionaire tax evasion. Thank God these guys never bailed out any banks. Very glad they're on our side, and clearly not beholden entirely to corporate interests.
This totally justifies Trump 😄
I don't understand why you would say this. Could you explain?
When you have an unfortunately biased 2 party system, you can choose the formless weird airline food or the pile of glass and barbed wire. You are suggesting that we do nothing at all, or just not vote, which helps glass barbedwire burger-man.
We can progress out of shit soup, but we are headed toward fascism. We just need to get rid of Dumpling first. Dumpling, then AIPAC and replace congress, and eventually the presidency. Throwing a fit and being cool with a worse (now potentially unstoppable) option doesnt make you morally superior or anything of the sort. Leopards, meet face.
Man why am I even arguing with a bad faith arguing bot, tf is wrong with me.
Not exactly - congressional investigations are going on, but processes IRL don't produce results in 22 minutes like on TV. It doesn't work like, "We see you're in the files, welcome to jail."
Dude it's been like a decade since this stuff hit the front page of the news, come the fuck on with the shitty apologism
Epstein himself was indicted more like 20 years ago. The 22 minute TV show reference was overly sarcastic, but I'm not an apologist for anyone. The justice system is just excruciatingly slow. My belief is that Bonespurs will probably dodge all consequences by having his final Big Mac Attack. With him gone, his coattail riders will probably start backstabbing each other and maybe then we'll see some action.
This isn't a "justice is slow" problem. This is a "the justice system only serves to punish the poor and powerless" problem.
The fact of these files is they were in the hands of the FBI and prosecutors 20 years ago. Nothing happened as a result even though there appears to be dozens of individuals capable of being charged with crimes. That's 20 years of incriminating evidence just sitting around collecting dust because it'd be politically inconvenient to pursue charges.
Justice moves rapidly when a power tripping cop wants to ruin you life. It moves very slowly when a rich pedophile rapes children.
if some random guy from the streets did the things on the files to someone, how slow would the justice system be then?
Right? If it were a poor person they'd have zero qualms about putting them in jail while sorting it all out too. There is nothing that can disguise that our 'justice' system exists almost entirely to suppress the poor and enable the rich.
also note how the italian plumber is still in jail even though investigations are still ongoing
Depends - was it a random guy you caught doing those things or a random guy whose name you found in an email? Somehow people seem to think this should be as slam dunk as catching a bunch of anime bad guys with EVIL stamped on their foreheads.
I prefer a slow justice system that gets the criminals for their crimes than a quick one that drags innocent people into an undeserved situation.
Me too. I think the people screaming for immediate mob justice and willing to handwave its sloppy inaccuracy is more about anger than ethics.
I would expect someone to report it. Is there any piece of media reporting politics without trying to be political?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - all I did was google "Epstein investigations" - things not showing up on whatever feeds you scroll through doesn't necessarily mean nobody's reporting them.
That can't exist.
Cannibalism? Hadn't heard that part before.
There were a few emails from people asking epstein for some of his jerky. Annoyed replies saying that the supply of jerky given them should have lasted longer. Then an email from Maxwell saying something to the effect of "there will be no more jerky for a while, Mr. Epstein has decided to return to normal food."
I do not know in what other context that could have possibly been other than cannibalism.
And more! There's a Rothschild couple emailing about hunting humans something to the tune of "...bagged one and guess what?! They're n*ggers!"
Weird for them to censor that word given what they were saying.
I didn't want to get caught in auto filters. Lemmy isn't typically like that but I feel no need to play with the hard R right now.
I thought it was just part of the quote, sorry.
“Adrenochrome” nonsense intensifies
Unless the weirdo decided to try a Slim Jim diet lol
I mean, it could be coded to refer to anything illegal as far as that goes.
I have my doubts because or the normal food bit of that email.
Jerky might = kids, normal food = legal sex
My son talks about it all the time. Apparently they had codes and some of them were for eating babies.
I'm sure all of it conjecture or the Internet going wild.
I've seen fucked up shit come out from them but absolutely nothing that is going to bring anyone down in court.
I don't understand why you people are still talking about courts.
There are 8 billion of us, minimum.
Peter thiel drinking babys blood because "longevity" dude is evil incarnate
Unlike that more civilized rich idiot who transfuses his son's blood in a desperate but futile effort to stay young forever.
Rich people are a different kind of crazy.
at least there was some sort of consent
Yet many of us beg them for our lives from 9 to 5 everyday, helping them do their evil deeds. "I'll donate 25% of my salary to charity to cleanse my conscious of working for billionaires no matter how much I dislike it."
This country is so fucked
Is it just "this country"?
I mean outside of America people have lost their jobs and their titles and potentially jail time due to appearing in the files. You can argue it's not enough but I will stress outside of America there has been some semblance of accountability.
In America absolutely nothing has happened. Nothing. Speaks volumes of the nation.
The emperor is without his clothes. We all see it.
Not true. Maxwell was transferred to a plush jail until the rapist-in-chief can fully pardon her.
yep
Not just 'Murica, but unfortunately the civilised world gets dragged into their stupidity and bullshit
Epstein was literally mossa...
Okay still counts.
Yep
Shit's fucked
Can someone please enlighten me on the fucking cannibalism?
So remember how maga thinks that Hillary was farming kids for something apparently called adrenochrome in their blood ?
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/pseudoscience/qanons-adrenochrome-quackery
Well...it's always projection, every time.
I have not read any of the files yet, but I have been told they include unsubstantiated and un-investigated reports, some of which may be "trolling" and not even attempt to contain any truth.
That said, cannibalism is, IMO, a lesser moral failing than what the victim reported (and continue to support).
I read a bit of the stuff from the tip line. Some of it is very raw, and that's putting it nicely. Like, I had a neighbor who was troubled by delusions. Some sounded spot on like that, a story that wasn't just absolutely wild, but didn't fit with some known facts.
Let's just say, not everyone who went to that island made it out... alive
Most likely codename for drugs, "jerky" for something or other. It just takes away attention from the real crime of raping underage people. Yeah, maybe some got raped to death, but that don't mean anyone ate them.
What could the details possibly change?
Well, the cannibalism not happening, for one.
Personally I think its possible. They are very ... creepy people.
Yeah I know what you mean. Child murdering pedophile slavers are one thing, but cannibalism is where I draw the line.
Why would the blue republicans investigate the red republicans?
the USA is the most corrupt country on earth I am curious as to why anyone is surprised. Donald Trump is literally in charge of enforcing the laws there.
Most of those people are currently government officials in different countries around the world and they see Americans aren't bothered by their high ranking criminals so they don't bother with their own.
I'm surprised necrophilia hasn't shown up.
there are over 3 MILLION more documents being withheld, and they aren't releasing like ANY of the video evidence, of which Epstein allegedly had many many terabytes
https://youtu.be/ghUNyJzLkfE
Here's a video about the cannibalism part, I seriously can't imagine it being anything else than that.
(Graphic warning content. No fucked up images of audio, just the ideas and images you get when he's going through everything. Don't watch if you're even a bit unsure if you can handle it).
Yeah, maybe I'm being dense, but I don't see any cannibalism evidence presented in that video. After watching it, I'm even less concerned something like that might have happened.
I'm all for believing they raped underage people. Teens, preteens, kids. I can believe that. But these "jerky" things are so fucking lazy, it's just drugs. It's a lazy codename for drugs. And the stupid chickenleg picture is just some old art project photo from Spain or whatever country it was.
Reality is epstein ring is still running, kidnapping children and raping them and murdering them. We have zero evidence that any of it ever stopped, just that epstein was killed and maxwell imprisoned. But, not a signle reason to believe trump and the rest ever stopped.
Someone is running it now, and I would bet many of the world's wealthiest people and high level leaders are in on it at this point.
Yet we permit them to do this every day. Most of us have jobs helping the wealthiest get richer, we get paid to help them, our lives depend on it, so that they can get rid of their crimes. I'm sure if we continue to slightly tweak the system from within, with permission from the pedoclass elites, things will get better /s
But...BUT! VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO! /s
Where is cannibalism mentioned?
There's a restaurant called "Cannibal" mentioned, with "beef jerky" being one of their spotlighted food. There's also more references to jerky. https://youtu.be/ghUNyJzLkfE
Sounds like a regular beef jerky fan club. I see nothing wrong here.
I think it's weird for beef jerky to be "the only thing I eat", but I know people that do the "carnivore diet" and that's supposed to be meat-only.
Maybe it is code for some illicit item that you might measure in pounds and consume, but I don't think that's obvious or certain.
Its definitely code. Either drugs or children.
So... you have any (additional) evidence to contribute? With the evidence I've seen I don't think "Its definitely code" is "obvious or certain".
Nope.
The only person in prison is a woman
the only one that hold the keys to ratting all of them out, but they are keeping her quiet.
TBF, the guy who was in prison got murdered.
What does Z.E.R.O stand for?
I think they were using the technique of adding periods for emphasis:
AS. IN. THE. CASE. OF. NORMAL. SENTENCES.
They must have missed that that's not the way you'd emphasize a word by spelling it, and should instead have typed Z-E-R-O.
"Democracy won't save you" was cut off.
is there any reason to think they've stopped?
i wouldnt be surprised if beastiality is also involved but not revealed, since beastaility often goes hand in hand with PEDOPHELIA And other deviant behaviour. illicit discussion board on the dark web, or obscure sites have lal these combined, it stands to reason that epstien paraphelia island has it too.
Ok, but what happens now? Are these people arrested? Are they removed from their positions? Any actions are taken by you or somebody else? Any protests? No? So, why they need to sweat?
As long as these criminals are staying in high power, they do not need to worry. And honestly, you are a fool to think that many of them don’t have connections high up that will protect them or sufficient money to pay people.
Haha...if I ever get my hands on a true AI
They are all done for.
Say, all the epstein files are made up. That that's just as fucked up as them being real.
of course, I am waiting for the story arc that claims the Epstein case was a reddit conspiracy.
The DOJ does suck, and Epstein (and Maxwell) were horrific rapists and sex trafficers. However, the files don't prove a widespread conspiracy, they instead prove what we already knew, that people in power are shitty people, who look the other way, and readily associate with deeply immoral criminals, just to gain influence and network. All this shit about a widespread cannibal cabal makes you look disturbed and conspiratorial, instead of facing the much less crazy, but arguably just as sad facts.
Right, it just proves there's a widespread group of people who came together and came to an agreement about the crimes they were committing and how they would get away with it. Hmmmmmmm, I wonder what a word for that would be....
Huh, would you look at that, it WAS a conspiracy!
I just don't believe there was a large, organized group of people doing cannibalism and such. It is extremely unlikely that such a conspiracy would exist for a sustained period of time.
I don't care how large the group committing the acts are if there is, in fact, a large conspiracy of people actively protecting them. One person actively committing the crime is one too many, and anyone protecting them is complicit. If this were a bank robbery where someone was killed, the getaway driver still gets the murder conviction, even if he never went in the building.
To bastardize an old saying, if there are 10 people at a table and they choose to let the cannibalistic pedophile sit down and don't immediately eject them with a brick, you have a group of 11 people conspiring to protect a cannibalistic pedophile.
defending billionaires is also cuck flex
I don't think I've defended billionaires, their existence is inherently immoral, regardless of whether they are cannibals or not. Also, I don't appreciate the ad hominem remark. I was just engaging in the discourse, as I am interested in how misinformation and conspiratorial ideas develop and propagate.
Hundreds of men raping thousands of children is not a conspiracy by your definition??
No I think I've spent the last 10-20 years listening to right wing pundits push crazier and crazier conspiracy theories.
I don't give a fuck what the right thinks. They can release the Epstein Files and prove all of this wrong in an instant, they haven't — so they're cannibals.
Why would the right's crazy conspiracy theories influence reality? I get the projection narrative, but just mirroring what a crazy person says does not necessarily make it not crazy.
You cannot reason someone into a position they did not reason themselves into. What they think and how they feel does not matter, because they aren't the ones in control of it.
I am not mirroring a crazy person, I am shining a light on their crazy. If they'd like to set the record straight they're more than welcome to, but the ball is in their court.
Because of the cannibalism, of course.
Edit: oh, and I know exactly how it influences reality — did you see what happened recently to vaccine mandates in the U.S.? We reduced the number of childhood vaccines from 17 to 11. The specific vaccines are: respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), hepatitis A, hepatitis B, dengue, meningococcal ACWY and meningococcal B. They've cited that only children in high risk categories should get these vaccines.
If that isn't evidence of crazy conspiracy theories affecting reality I don't know what is.
Thanks for the correction, you're right, crazy conspiracy theories do affect reality in that way. I meant affecting reality in a way where, no matter how many people say vaccines cause autism, it won't make it reality. So by that example, no matter how much the right was 'projecting' about cannibalism and other stuff, that by itself is not proof, or proof of the contrary.
I understand where you're coming from, and you're absolutely correct. This is information warfare though, and one side accepts facts and science while the other accepts vibes. Cannabalism is a bad vibe, and if the right wing media ecosystem tries to sanewash it (like the whole 'Trump isn't a pedo, he's a hebephile' sham) — they don't come back from that.
We have to use their cognitive disability against them.
The released files literally include correspondence where Epstein is directing the conspiracy theories that Qanon/Rogan/4chan ended up pushing. And the rest of the files confirm that the conspiracies pushed were just admitting what he and his friends were doing but blame other people.
I don't think that's correct, maybe I'm wrong but the files released so far at least don't include that. Regardless, I'm not disputing that he and his friends did horrific things, might as well have blamed them on others. I am just saying that extrapolating that to a large scale conspiracy with the active participation of the number of people suggested is super unlikely. This is in no way meant to defend anyone involved with Epstein, they are despicable ghouls who should suffer the consequences of their actions.
Read more of the files, the correspondence is there I assure you, but everybody needs to read it for themselves.
I'll look into it I guess, thanks.
So I'm assuming you're a libertarian...
??? Sorry I don't get how that follows, and I'm not. I'm not even sure how my personal political philosophy would matter in this case.
We found the shill!
I'm no shill, just a skeptic. I get the righteous anger, I hate everything about the people involved too, we just disagree on what, in the grand scheme of things, are insignificant details.