Trump voter: Somebody asked him ‘To what extent are Americans' financial situations motivating you to make a deal?' Trump didn't care. I was angry. I voted for you, and you don't care about me?
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You shouldn't expect someone to care about you just because you give them power. You should give power to people who care about you!
Universally, people need keep politicians accountable, regardless of the party.
So I shouldn't vote for anyone. Got it.
Honestly if that's what your takeaway is, the world would be a better place if you didn't vote. Moron.
Every thread where there's a shred of hope these people come in to desperately scream "Dems bad too! Dems bad too!"
Almost like they have a goal in mind.
If at this point you're looking at everything and still go, yep, that's competent leadership doing exactly what I wanted, then I don't see how there is any way back to reality for them.
Yeah, I don't think anyone in this administration is competent.
It's jarring how bad it is.
You really think that person votes, pip?
Eh, fair enough
I'm sad to say, but I'm afraid they do. We know the stats.
There's no hiding from the fact that the two party system isn't doing democracy and fair leadership any services though.
"nobody who disagrees with me votes!!!"
Get new material bootlicker
Do you really think i don't agree with that person?
Validation feels good.
So he's not important to listen to for the DNC? Cool, surely you don't blame him for when the DNC supports Diet Trump in 2028.
Just how fucking blind and stupid can you possibly be? Are you even REMOTELY paying attention what's going on?
Yes. That's why they support Diet Trump for president.
Let me guess- because a politicians needs to be paid, that means they can't possibly care.
It’s simple math.
If they’re representing thousands of people, each with conflicting needs, there’s no way they can care for all of them.
That only leaves the Green Party, though.
And yeah, we learned that lesson with Obama's presidency. The man had a supermajority for a while and all he did was make fascism worse and health care more expensive.
Mind-blowing how people have forgotten the time before the ACA, which limited insurer excess profit and forbid denial due to pre-existing conditions
Yeah, now it's just so expensive I avoid treatment altogether and therefore can't get denied.
It for sure sucks now! Lieberman killed the public option and things have only gotten worse since then as we haven't taken on the usury of insurance, PE hospitals, and pharma, but the ACA was a step in the right direction that's been continuously sabotaged ever since it was implemented
The ACA was a turd with some rhetorical polish. That's it, and anyone seeking health care in this country knows it.
Still waiting on your dear leader's 'concept of plan'.
Pretty lazy response.
I'm not a Donald supporter. I'm just also unwilling to pretend that a regressive health care system is a good thing because it came from the Blue MAGA instead of the Red MAGA, especially considering Obama could have (and should have) done better. .
Fucking MAGA in disguise.
To be fair, they weren’t looking.
All of those things still exist now, provided you can't afford to be price gouged, which is the vast majority of Americans.
And Obama could have given us a truly universal system
Glad to see you weren't paying attention.
Putin party 😂
Don’t say that on the late stage capitalism sub, the douchebag mod will ban you
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jill-stein-sees-no-lesser-evil-between-harris-trump-interview-2024-10-07/
Hey look, proof that some of those on the "left" can be every bit as stupid as MAGA.
I've said it for years, you vote for Trump for one of three reasons (usually multiple of the three listed but at the very least one).
you are a brainwashed cultist.
you are a bigot.
you are greedy.
I haven't seen a single Trump voter that doesn't fulfill at least one of these requirements, and I still feel nothing for them. If I could transpose all the suffering they've caused to others onto them, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I read a comment from a dude deep in MAGA territoryand he said the rest of us simply don't know how isolated they are news wise, everybody thinks the same and FOX et al play on TV and radio 24/7 in restaruants, bars, at work, at home, like they are surrounded by literally nothing but hard core propaganda.
I don't live there, but I'm willing to believe that at face value. Shit, USA/CIA has known how effective political propaganda is since they cut their teeth in Central and South America (they did it in lots of other places too).
The sophistication of the modern propaganda apparatus would make Goebbels blush.
People have never had access to more sources of information - they choose ignorance.
Sad that they're such assholes who lack empathy that they are only regretting their vote now that it's hurting them.
They didn't and probably still don't care about the grift, the racism, the rape, the dictatorship, et cetera.
They're garbage people and I don't feel bad for them. If they turn away from all the other stuff - then I'll have some empathy.
IMO they haven't been hurt enough. I want farms lost. Jobs lost, I want them broken
And then what? What does this accomplish? What’s the end goal beyond more suffering and radicalization?
The person I responded to said they want these people broken. Jobs lost, farms confiscated, essentially homeless and ruined.
77 million people voted for Trump. Roughly a third of voting age individuals. What exactly are you suggesting? Do we jail them all? Where do we put them in that case? Or should they just be executed? Concentration camps? Slave labor?
What do you suggest we do with a third of the country who have no jobs, no prospects, utterly broken, and with nothing to lose?
I don’t like these folks, but I don’t think you or the previous person I replied to are thinking through the actual ramifications here. Economically this would ruin the country even in a good economy (which this is decidedly not). This would lead to civil war as the best case scenario, and any other scenario would be either insane levels of human rights violations or downright genocide.
And on top of all that, it wouldn’t actually solve any of the issues our country is facing in the near term. It would do nothing about the ringleaders, the manipulation, the corruption. Punishing idiots and assholes is vengeance of a kind, but it’s not a solution and won’t fix anything.
All of those are insane suggestions I haven't seen anyone make but you.
If a Trump supporter is hurt by his policies, the worst I'm going to is have zero sympathy, offer zero support and refuse to let them think anyone is at fault but themselves.
If there were some group that wasn't the very group that's hurting them to buy up their lands and resources. Then you might have a point. Then it would be extremely fitting for them to have to work on what used to be their lands that they lost through mismanagement. But that's not what would happen. Wealthy oligarchs will buy at the land for pennies on the dollar put them out of work and not create a job in its place. We will all suffer collectively just so one very uninformed dumb person suffers as well. That's a very conservative mindset
Bingo. There's no upside here. Either very stupid, selfish millionaire bigots own the farms, or somewhat less stupid billionaire bigots own them.
The thing is that most other people, many of whom didn't vote for the toddler in chief, will share in that fate.
It's that collateral damage you're willing to accept just for the commupance?
You know that will hurt everyone right?
America is the land of individuals, and decades of propaganda have cemented that, unfortunately.
To them, it's only a "land of individuals" until they want to forced their bigoted policies down our throats or when they specifically need help.
I only pity their children
Anyone who has not noticed that Trump cares solely about Trump should get their head checked.
I've listened to these podcasts about people who get caught up in like Nigerian Prince scams for real, and they give all their money away, sell their houses, their cars, lose custody of their children and wives who leave them over it, and even when everything is hopelessly lost they still keep thinking that, but maybe it IS real.
That's what MAGA feels like.
They know, but can't admit they are wrong, ever. So they double down.
They voted for somebody just like them who only cares about himself.
I didn't want someone who only cares about themselves! I wanted someone who only cared about me! That's why j joined narcissism club, to be around like minded people who love me!
There's a lot of debate over how we "ought" to view these people. Man, feel how you wanna feel. You have a right to be angry with them. Fuck, they are stupid assholes. You can also feel pity and have a desire to find common ground. It's normal to celebrate a redemption arc.
But one thing you can't argue, is that the signs weren't there. That those folks had no way of knowing that Trump was a grifting, lying, narcissistic, rapist idiot criminal. All these dumb fucks on tv acting surprised, not doing themselves any favors right now. Look inward, realize you're an imbecile or a bigoted shitheel for buying into his bullshit, and then start over. Get on tv and say "holy fuck I am a bad person" and that redemption arc gets realistic.
Evangelical Christians looking at the Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision: "Worth it!"
😡
at this point i don't even need them to admit they're anything but angelic of mind, all i need them to admit is "i made a mistake, i fucked up and should have acted differently".
And yet even that is beyond most trump voters.
That was your line in the sand? Fuck you, lady.
Did you watch the video?
I mean, yeah - it's only 28 seconds long. Not like there's a lot of deep shit in there. She's pissed off because Trump doesn't care about Americans who are in financial stress.
Like, let's put aside the fact that you have to be the stupidest motherfucker on the planet to not realize that shit before now. The fact that that was her line in the sand for finally saying: "no - I don't like this guy" is damning as hell on her character. It's not the misogyny or rape. It's not the pedophilia. It's not the decades of fraud. It's not even his moral bankruptcy. Nope - it's "he doesn't care about ME!!!"
Fuck that lady.
That is not a fact. They're not stupid, as evidenced by a willingness to consider new evidence and change their opinion.
They were lied to, just like you were when Joe Biden made extravagant promises and then prioritized a genocide over helping your family eat.
It also doesn't help your case that, until COVID, cost of living was significantly less expensive in the US during Donald's first term. COL was never, ever anything but spiraling out of control under Joe Biden, and Harris (evidently a stupid motherfucker) publicly confirmed she wouldn't have done anything differently.
These people had a reason to think the economy would be better under Donald because they actually experienced it. Even with the grift and Donald being such a slimy son of a bitch.
You're putting words in their mouth here.
Incorrect. They are incredibly stupid people.
Bro, what the fuck are you smoking? Do you think that I'm a fucking Biden stan? What in the world gave you that idea? You should probably stop sniffing your own farts and making up your own reality.
Yes. The reason was that they were stupid as hell. Also, the vast majority of them are also racist pieces of shit. So that helps.
You're trying to polish a turd, for some reason. No idea why you would have the desire to do such a thing. But these people are straight up trash with zero redeeming qualities.
I love that you, who previously said "Did you watch this video," have now made this response, which is absolutely, positively deserving of the question.
Ahem...
Did you read the comment?
Wasn't Donald the guy in charge during COVID?
If you get 'lied to' from a proven con artist and grifter, you're a sucker.
You can maybe make this comparison in 2018. Ut doesn't hold after Trump's first presidency, though. This is a "fool me twice" situation.
Honestly If half of you country is like these people, you'd better secede and leave them try to live their bigoted selfish lives at their fullest to see what happens.
They don't have a grain of empathy, introspection, education or critical thinking.
If anything, this shitshow shown people's true colours and we know some of them are barely monkeys with guns. I dont want to live next to these assholes.
USian here, and it's as sad as it is scary. So many people like this lead a lazy passive existence where they put so little thought into their lives that they can be led to vote for Trump for over a decade and only today be surprised like this. And those are the "good" ones who are merely ignorant and self-centered, that aren't just proud to be nazis.
Here on Lemmy we talk about problems like controlled opposition and implicit support of genocide on the other side of the world. But compared with the median american voter we are like those geologists in the meme about how experts in a field wildly over estimate the general public's knowledge of their field. And I am NOT saying we Lemmings are policy experts -- I'm saying the average schmuck is that far behind our internet "discourse" bullshit.
I don't disagree with you on them not having a grain of empathy, but seceding like this... won't happen. This is more often than not a urban/rural divide, so my state which votes like this has two major metros that vote against this sort of thing, as well as a smaller college town. Flipside the neighboring state of Illinois is known for being blue and voted against Trump and his policies because Chicago has more control over the state while the farmlands are red.
California has a major right wing movement in entire segments of its state that is trying to secede from the state.
If we go into a civil war again, it won't be like last time with a north vs south, it's going to be a nationwide clusterfuck. Washington, Oregon, California is the closest to being able to pull off a splitting off from the country and it being a line.
And even if we could magically all reshuffle into a geographic split, can you imagine being neighbors with Trumplandia?
Like... I assume lemmy.ca users don't have to imagine?
I mean they did try and there was a whole war about. Problem was there were all forgiven in an attempt to " heal the country"
And we learned the hard, 150 year lesson that you can't heal the country with active Traitors in the neighborhood. They will only poison the system, and keep it from being successful.
The French did it right, and made some strong examples of people, and taught the wealthy and powerful that they serve at the pleasure of the CITIZENS. The problem with the current crop of Sociopathic Oligarchs is that they don't believe that we'll ever break loose, and they also believe that if we did, their bunkers would protect them.
We are strongly socialized to obey the law, and behave within societal norms, but the wealthy are beating on that with a sledgehammer, and eventually it will collapse. When the Dam of Society finally breaks, it will break terrible, just like during the French Revolution, and not only will the Oligarchs lose, so will their entire bloodlines.
They would be very wise to negotiate a settlement before it gets that far. They will lose a LOT of their fortunes, but they will still have more than enough to live opulently, just not enough to be an existential threat to the entire planet.
Stupid fucking ahistorical nonsense. The French had a bloodbath that resulted in a dictatorship and then a return of the monarchy. That's "doing it right" only if you're a dumbasss.
And yet a lot of entitled, untouchable, wealthy sosiopaths still lost their heads, and it has stood as a very real warning to rich shitheads ever since.
It's not half of the country, it's half of the people that voted, and there is heavy voter suppression to keep people from voting. But the problem is deeper than the people. The same number of idiots and the same number of selfish people are in every country. That is something people seriously need to understand. It doesn't matter what country you're in, these same kinds of assholes are next to you whether you're aware of them or not.
So you might wonder why not every country has an administration as vile as Trump. The reason is systemic. Elections need to work in a way that doesn't give an advantage to certain candidates. No corporate or shady political donations. No bribes. No gerrymandering. No conflicts of interest. Stuff like ranked choice voting would help as well. Also automatic voter registration with universal mail in voting. Nobody should have to make a registration appointment 5 months before an election just to get the right to vote in it. And yes, I've had friends that had to book their appointments that far in advance. And no waiting in line for 4 hours to vote. And yes, I've had to stand in line for that long outside in 35+C heat to vote. There must be enforced laws to protect the integrity of elections and to keep rich and powerful assholes from controlling their outcome. When politicians do corrupt things, there needs to be consequences. Trump should have been in prison long before the election. And as the US currently exists, only rich and powerful people that accept money from billionaires can get elected. A government should be made up of the people, not of the billionaires. When politicians are billionaires, they don't represent us. At the same time, the media needs to be independent and free from the influence of billionaires as well. No single company should own most of the television and radio stations, TV channels, and streaming networks in a country. And nothing should be able to broadcast straight up propaganda with political motives and present it as news. And there needs to be a wealth tax to keep people from even becoming billionaires because wealth buys power and influence. If the goal is to keep the wealthy from having more influence than the working class, then there needs to be a cap on how wealthy someone can be. When these safeguards are removed, there is no country on the planet that won't eventually end up in the exact same situation as the US is in right now.
Yup
Of course he fucking does not care. He is way to busy milking as much money as he can get out of the presidency while distracting or even getting immunities for the crimes he committed. Why should he care for people who were dumb enough to vote for him?
My message to every Trump voter in this situation:
You didn't care when he fucked over other people, but because you're the one being bent over, now you're upset?
Good. I am glad you're on the receiving end.
These people are so mentally defective 🤦♀️ they're so incapable of caring about others and they're only ever thinking about themselves that they vote for people just like them who also only think about themselves, then they're actually surprised when their candidates only think about themselves.
I'm trying to put that as neutral as I can.
How do these people think politics work. I mean do they think that voting for a person or a party grants them some kind of personal (parasocial) relationship?
I'm pretty sure that exists outside the US also, but I have only seen that coming from the US so far.
That is just the right wing populism playbook. They know that their most ardent voters are several chicken nuggets short of a happy meal, so they turn it into a us vs them contest, as if politics was a sport.
It works because these people lack critical thinking skills, they never ask the obvious question, "why would a billionaire do things that would harm billionaires?"
I know what you mean, and it makes sense, but there is something in me that wants to think, that a majority of people aren't this naïve and fall for this.
Maybe I'm naïve here in the end...
to be fair i genuinely think the vast vast vast majority of people aren't inherently like this, it's taken decades of effort to train the population to suppress their own cognition in this way.
Humans are naturally tribalistic and it exists on all spectrums regardless how much you force 'education' down their throats.
Emotions, ego, bias, you name it, people just gravitate a certain way. A majority of Trump/Republican voters, I presume, are also acting on habit they're forebearers set.
It's safe but also, they voted for this. They wanted the bad stuff for others, they just didn't wanted the bad stuff happen to them.
So fuck these people. If they run out of money and lose their business? Good! If they become homeless? Great! If they die of hunger because of trump? Even fucking better.
I don't care a single shit about these people. They voted to make the entire world worse just so they would get some magical step ahead, and now it backfired and now the entire world including them is fucked.
I'm not American, I don't live there, yet even my life had been severely negatively affected by these assholes, and now they want my pity? Fuck you! Suffer, die, I won't care about them
I don’t know… tell me how you really feel?
This is true from an emotional perspective, but neither you nor this person understands how our political system works. I mean I don't fully understand it I'm sure, but I do know one thing.
It does not matter who we vote for in the presidential election. We have an electoral college, which has overturned the popular vote on multiple different occasions. The electoral college was instituted when black men earned the right to vote, as a measure to disenfranchise them. By all means vote for someone other than Trump, but that vote doesn't have to be respected.
Usually in the circumstances the EC differed from the PV it was by 1 to 2 votes, and the overall election was close in the PV. I detest the EC, but if the PV is 60% or more, I'd say the EC would match (otherwise, the US citizenry would likely rebel).
Are they legally required to do this?
Are you old enough to remember all the times they've openly ignored the popular vote?
With what and how?
He is not saying that there is a legal requirement for the votes to match. What he meant, I believe, is that in a scenario like the one he described, the votes typically end up aligning by circumstance.
Regarding the second part: no they wouldn't. It is exceptionally rare for popular rebellions to happen without widespread food insecurity.
Not to mention the fact that most of our tax dollars go to the military! They may be incompetent but I don't think the average American is more competent.
That is also a huge factor. The only hope for Americans in that scenario is widespread desertion from soldiers and officers that have reservations about being part of a military junta killing their neighbors and family members.
They're throwing toasters into washing machines and trying to flush their shoes down the toilet out there on these aircraft carriers, so maybe this turn out, who knows
And to SPITE him she's going to Vote for Him and His Cronies AGAIN! THAT will Teach him!
No no he'll vote for Vance who truly cares.
He?
. . . Did I watch the video?
I'm Ron Burgundy?
Just remember that this person is probably smarter than a significant chunk of the voter base
Perhaps ? is he a 3 time Trump voter ?
that said, mayhap you're right, stupid people don't learn from their mistakes, so he's not stupid, lijely just hateful
Im already pretty much ruined, and I didn't vote for this asshole. I hope that whomever did is killed by his antics. I want them to be on the receiving end of ICE. I hope they find their way into a concentration camp.
Raise your hand if you saw this shit coming and feel no remorse for "I was duped" crowd 🙋♂️
Leopards might need to call in the hyenas, lions, caracals, jackals and vultures to join in on the face eating.
He’s never cared about you lady and never will
This woman is mentally deranged if she thought he ever cared. Nothing more, nothing less, just mentally ill.
LOL
No shit, lady.
The sad part is that these people will land on their feet and be able to deny supporting the current Nazi administration.
they either lose thier farms to jd vances app, or to the meg-corp farms. and some of them have alledgely taken thier own lives over losing the farms. But these gop farmers are likely owners, and not actual farmers themselves. they contracT it to the IMMIGRANTS/migrant THEY been railing about/. some are lucky to stay enough alive to get a FARM bailtout at some point.
Some people have built their entire identity around one thing. Their father was that thing, so was their mother, their grandparents, back as far as they can trace. That legacy and heritage can be a source of enormous pride for some people. Losing it is absolutely world-shattering in a way that very few people understand.
When that loss happens due to things that aren't your fault, it's one thing. But when it's due to something that is your fault, that guilt is so utterly crushing that the shame drives people to unimaginable depths of living hell.
Some people have relatives buried on their farmland. Some people have had babies born in the farmhouse. Most have their family weddings on the farm. Grandkids grow up living and working on their grandparents land. The ones that kill themselves over losing the family farm due to Trump's policies did it because they realize they got suckered by a con man into believing a line, and it cost them their family's entire foundation and past.
Point given to those who point out that colonization stripped the same thing from its rightful original owners. You're absolutely right. It's still the loss of a generational home. That pain is very real.
Everyone on the opposite side of OP told him/her exactly this. He/she didn't care then, now he/she is suffer the coincidences of their actions like we have been since day one of his office. If they are now suffering bad enough to complain like a little baby girl that they has problems like the rest of us, he/she can end up living in dirt and I still wouldn't care because these problems are problems he and his maga Nazis side created.
Really, really, really slow comprehension skills.
How could they not know he didn’t care?
He essentially said so on numerous occasions, but I guess that went through the same “He means what he says but everything he says requires interpretation” mind machine.
But as usual:
They only care when it hurts themselves. They’re fine with hurting everyone else.
Exactly that's why im over this country. Like so what if the people finally realize "oh wow yeah trump really is a lying piece of shit who raped children"? They're still gonna turn around and vote for Vance instead when Vance says "unlike trump, I really care about your personal finances!'
Like we can expose trump all day and everyone vould actually agree with us for once, and it still wouldn't fix the problem of these extrump voters still really wanting a fascist dictator who will round up minorities but maybe he won't be so corrupt.
The biggest thing i hear from extrump voters is "i thought he was the real deal" like they're disappointed he never actually built the Wall, that he didn't nuke iran and finish the war swiftly, that he didnt get all the gay characters off of televison. Like that's what the mainstream american is, straight up. idc how progressive you and your friends are, there's more of them than us. It's not our country anymore.
That ain’t true and you know it. This is basically psyop posting. Maybe they’re not all baby communists yet but 70% of the fucking country hates this clown.
SEVENTY percent.
Don’t ever let the slavers who made the voting system to exclude anyone but affluent slave owners tell you they outnumber you.
It's not the slavers, it's the guys at the gas station making minimum wage. They tell me they love trump but they're disappointed in gas prices. That's the average american.
Exactly. They still want a piece of shit to be president, they just want him to be a piece of shit to everyone they disagree with.
We told you so.
trump said he doesnt care, do you?
Gonna be a rough awakening for some of these folk. Some of them be in a coma tho and ain't about to wake up any time soon.
If he cared he would be either raping you or getting you deported. Sucks he doesn't care I guess.
Lol
Learn this in your bones.
This is very old news. It’s also a cut that is taken out of context. I still think he’s wrong but do better.
Yeah! Do better! . . Uh . . You people.
A complete shock.
We need to embrace these people, despite their mistakes. They're misled by our media and by their upbringing. They mistrust society, education, etc., because of the very people they vote for. It's a feedback loop.
We need to allow the leopard faces to heal up so they can see and learn from their mistakes. If that's not possible, then fine, but everyone should be able to make amends or we are a poor society.
Donald ran on affordability.
It was no more stupid for people to vote for the affordability candidate (especially after four years of rampant COL increases under Joe Biden) than it was for people to vote for Biden on his unfounded promises to lower inflation and eliminate student loan debt. This person has every right to be angry.
Lots of people vote based on words and nothing else. Democrats are no different than this person, and if the roles were reversed, you'd be arguing that Harris was somehow magically powerless to help, because you'd be in exactly the same position. (Though the last two years of Donald's presidency have proven that power was never a problem.)
Whatever helps you sleep at night bro. The signs were on the wall and you missed it.
Waaaaaah! But Joe Biden! Obama! Waaaaaaah!!1!