Reparations to Iran, then reparations to the tribes, descendants of slaves, the Philippines and American Filipinos, Vietnam, and I just realised I don't have the energy to even write every group that occurs to me off the top of my head.
Hawaiian sovereignty! Bill Clinton already officially acknowledged that the overthrow of the Kingdom was illegal, which means that Hawai'i remains an occupied territory.
But the taxpayers (e.g. me) are paying for this. The people making all the terrible decisions at the top are not facing any consequences. In fact, they're robbing us in plain sight.
It's really dishonest to describe the un-freezing of funds and sanctions relief as "giving" Iran money.
It's no wonder that the Obama and Trump deals would be similar, since it's the same countries, with the same leverage, and all the same goals.
We shouldn't adopt the language of people who believe diplomacy is worthless. Instead we should be pointing out that the bombs and missiles didn't seem to help much.
The issue I have with it is not so much the "giving them money" but how for some reason there are liberals upset that the war is ending and we didn't benefit from it.
Like, yes, I agree it's silly to call it "giving them money" but they did that to Obama for years. I don't really care if the liberals jump on the same language to make Trump look stupid. Its stupid but Republicans were stupid first. Accuracy vs. Propaganda and sometimes you gotta just throw shit back.
But, a lot of these same liberals are literally war mongering. If Trump believes he is "a great deal maker" but ends the war. I'm ok with that. I don't give a fuck how it ends as long as we stop killing people. Way too much coming from liberals that are more concerned with Trump looking weak than actually ending the war.
I don't see anyone war mongering except on fox and online, and maybe that's because I lucked out with a place to live or perhaps they remember the last three wars a little too recently here or quite possibly a lot of it is inorganic.
I think it's more that liberals are pointing out how awful of an idea this was from the start. Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, spent billions conducting an illegal war, and what we have to show for it is a worse deal than we already had through peaceful means. It should be pointed out how awful of a mistake it was.
Well we did earn the hatred of the rest of the world. The part that didn't hate us already. Also our own hatred. Because I hate the fact that literally everything costs 50% more now, including and especially food and gas. Fuck you orange man.
I've now learned that it's best to get into Trump's stock market manipulations early (duh) and exit before you think it's going to end.
I bought into some clean energy ETF (which admittedly aren't as clean as I'd like them to be, some of the holdings are natural gas) and Equinor stock (because hey, European oil should go up when gulf oil isn't available, right?) during this entire Hormuz thing, but way too late. The clean energy ETF, which I'm planning to hold for longer anyway and got more of, is doing well. The Equinor stock, which I thought I'd sell soon, is down a bit. Had I bought earlier, it would've been up quite a bit.
We already know Trump's gonna walk back and forth on anything he says, next time it might as well be nicer to get in early and then exit early (since you never know when it REALLY ends).
It also kept the Epstein files distracted for a bit.
And if I were an old, obese, orange painted, narcissistic, child rapist who was trying to cover up the decades of raping kiddies then I'd say spending 300 bill of other people's money was a steal.
Got people off that damn Epstein for a couple of months. What's a couple of thousand people, a girls school, and some soldiers, when compared to the embarrassment of the president?
It's like watching someone on a probably fatal bender. Making bad decision after bad decision until there's only one way to go.
HA, They ded. And likely more then 15 but who knows at this point if the real cost will ever be shared. The last time we saw a war start this poorly was the full scale invasion of Ukraine.
It's not confirmed, or settled, but yes, there are credible reports that a draft deal involves the US paying $300bn.
Of course drafts don't mean much when Trump changes his mind every five minutes. But it does appear that the proposal has at least been floated and considered.
While I don't doubt it to be true, I'd really love a better source than "trust me bro" on Twitter.
It's been a messy process, but that 300B number is something that's been floating around.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/report-of-300b-iran-fund-plan-fuels-political-backlash/ss-AA24nBp6
Whether or not it pans out remains to be seen.
Trump reneges on his 'allies' I can't imagine Iran would see a penny. Then again they gave Argentina billions for nothing so who knows.
re argentina, swap lines and private financing isn’t the US government “giving” billions
still laughable, but giving them real “fake news” ammo will only hinder
I'm so tired how much is he asking for the rest abattoir?
hot take, good. the usa should pay for the crimes it committed against iran.
of course it should have never committed the crimes in the first place.
Reparations to Iran, then reparations to the tribes, descendants of slaves, the Philippines and American Filipinos, Vietnam, and I just realised I don't have the energy to even write every group that occurs to me off the top of my head.
Hawaiian sovereignty! Bill Clinton already officially acknowledged that the overthrow of the Kingdom was illegal, which means that Hawai'i remains an occupied territory.
True. Can anybody look at what American occupation has done to those islands and dispute that they deserve better?
Hoy!
But the taxpayers (e.g. me) are paying for this. The people making all the terrible decisions at the top are not facing any consequences. In fact, they're robbing us in plain sight.
The taxpayers didn't do enough to elect someone better.
You're not wrong. I tried. I guess all the work that Republicans have been doing for decades to erode our education system finally paid off.
I just read that the HIGHEST estimate for universal healthcare was $290B.
Just leaving that here.
Omg but that would be SOCIALISM
According to the Trump cult, who don't know what socialism is
Don't forget that people would no longer have an incentive to be healthy if they got healthcare for free!
Can confirm. As a person from a country with free healthcare I shoot myself in the foot every morning, just for fun.
Oh, wait, I don't. But that's only because I'm from a country with gun control laws.
It's really dishonest to describe the un-freezing of funds and sanctions relief as "giving" Iran money.
It's no wonder that the Obama and Trump deals would be similar, since it's the same countries, with the same leverage, and all the same goals.
We shouldn't adopt the language of people who believe diplomacy is worthless. Instead we should be pointing out that the bombs and missiles didn't seem to help much.
The issue I have with it is not so much the "giving them money" but how for some reason there are liberals upset that the war is ending and we didn't benefit from it.
Like, yes, I agree it's silly to call it "giving them money" but they did that to Obama for years. I don't really care if the liberals jump on the same language to make Trump look stupid. Its stupid but Republicans were stupid first. Accuracy vs. Propaganda and sometimes you gotta just throw shit back.
But, a lot of these same liberals are literally war mongering. If Trump believes he is "a great deal maker" but ends the war. I'm ok with that. I don't give a fuck how it ends as long as we stop killing people. Way too much coming from liberals that are more concerned with Trump looking weak than actually ending the war.
I don't see anyone war mongering except on fox and online, and maybe that's because I lucked out with a place to live or perhaps they remember the last three wars a little too recently here or quite possibly a lot of it is inorganic.
I think it's more that liberals are pointing out how awful of an idea this was from the start. Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, spent billions conducting an illegal war, and what we have to show for it is a worse deal than we already had through peaceful means. It should be pointed out how awful of a mistake it was.
Same countries and goals, yes, but Iran has a lot more leverage now. So I really don't think the US will get such a favourable treaty this time.
More foreign infrastructure development than USAID did per year, globally. So, I guess we can laugh at the idiots in DOGE for a new reason.
Well we did earn the hatred of the rest of the world. The part that didn't hate us already. Also our own hatred. Because I hate the fact that literally everything costs 50% more now, including and especially food and gas. Fuck you orange man.
You forgot another important part: Ample opportunity for stock market manipulation.
I've now learned that it's best to get into Trump's stock market manipulations early (duh) and exit before you think it's going to end.
I bought into some clean energy ETF (which admittedly aren't as clean as I'd like them to be, some of the holdings are natural gas) and Equinor stock (because hey, European oil should go up when gulf oil isn't available, right?) during this entire Hormuz thing, but way too late. The clean energy ETF, which I'm planning to hold for longer anyway and got more of, is doing well. The Equinor stock, which I thought I'd sell soon, is down a bit. Had I bought earlier, it would've been up quite a bit.
We already know Trump's gonna walk back and forth on anything he says, next time it might as well be nicer to get in early and then exit early (since you never know when it REALLY ends).
Makes you think, if they can easily spare 300B how much money did they make from orchestrating all that?
They as individuals made fuck tons of money. The nation, however, is now saddled with an additional 300b debt.
It’s costing this nation a fuck of a lot more than $300bb
Of course...this is just an ADDITIONAL $300b on top of everything else.
If Trump made even just 1B out of this personally, it's still a net profit for him since he's not paying the 300B, the US taxpayer is.
I reckon a bunch of his friends and family made many billions though. Maybe tens. Maybe hundreds.
It also kept the Epstein files distracted for a bit.
And if I were an old, obese, orange painted, narcissistic, child rapist who was trying to cover up the decades of raping kiddies then I'd say spending 300 bill of other people's money was a steal.
Maybe those MIA soldiers realized it's all for show and dipped to live authentically.
There's been inside rumors that the Pentagon, in traditional fashion, has been listing KIAs as MIA to reduce reported deaths.
I bet they are trafficking their body parts as we speak.
ah just like the russian way, when russians were dying in ukraine they were undereporting thier deaths too.
Would not be surprised if that was really the case. It would be a typical Donal Trump Success(tm).
He'll pay anything to avoid the words "Terms of American Surrender" as the contracts' title. Even if it is.
Tbf, we never had anything to gain, or even any stated objectives afaik.
Got people off that damn Epstein for a couple of months. What's a couple of thousand people, a girls school, and some soldiers, when compared to the embarrassment of the president?
It's like watching someone on a probably fatal bender. Making bad decision after bad decision until there's only one way to go.
you think trump cares for these "suckers and losers, whats in it for them, and I dont like troops that captured or dead"
Exaggerated memes are fun, but the bit at the end is entering misinformation territory which is against sub rules
What's the misinformation?
Normalize misspelling the fuckers name and misspell everything he or his ilk get up to
He's so fucking stupid and loves to be mocked, if you get the spelling correct
HA, They ded. And likely more then 15 but who knows at this point if the real cost will ever be shared. The last time we saw a war start this poorly was the full scale invasion of Ukraine.
Shart of the deal.
I mean, I know what would get Krasnov to sign any deal Iran offers. They just have to add room for two tiny balls in his seat of state.
This can't be right.
It's not confirmed, or settled, but yes, there are credible reports that a draft deal involves the US paying $300bn.
Of course drafts don't mean much when Trump changes his mind every five minutes. But it does appear that the proposal has at least been floated and considered.
Art of the deal