Babies Are Bleeding to Death as Parents Reject a Vitamin Shot Given at Birth
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For fuck's sake. These assholes can't even take responsibility for the results of what they're spewing.
"party of personal responsibility"
It's all projection.
Seriously!!!!
Remember when most of their grievances were about an overreaching government that dictated how they lived their lives? Now that their party is in power that’s all they want to fucking do to the rest of us.
How does ‘personal responsibility’ translate into ‘I don’t want this and you shouldn’t have it either’?
Do you have a Justin Trudeau version for Canada.
Sorry, I was too busy being jealous of how much better he was than our president
Seriously, wtf was wrong with that guy?
Why did Joe Biden eat all of the vitamin k?
At what point do we just turn it into the new “Thanks Obama” meme? I feel like at a certain point, embracing it as a joke is the only way to get them to stop using it as an excuse. Because as long as they can say it and be taken seriously, they’ll continue using it.
As far as I'm concerned "Thanks Obama" already captures it.
So when do they arrest the parents for murder like they would a woman who had a miscsrriage?
Oh you know that only applies to the mothers and only before a successful birth because cruelty and hatred toward women is the point.
Also they don't care about people once they're born
This is the correct answer.
Arrest them? Its not like they let their kid walk a block to the store on their own. /s
Personal responsibility? Straight to jail. (Applies only to lefty commie pinko lib extremist Marxist Leninist terrorists)
What do you expect them to do? The umbilical was already cut, so they don’t care anymore.
depends on the state law.
basically, you have to prove negligence leading to harm, and if it's a jury case, the jury is going to decide that.
That's exactly what they are doing clear as day
We saved another babeee!
I was wondering when the MAHA vaccine fixation would bleed over to simply anything that comes from a needle.
I swear there's a non-trivial percentage of new parents who simply want any excuse not to see their babies get poked with a needle and start crying. Combine that with the other MAHA, Jesus, and/or Woo nonsense, and especially with a fundamental misunderstanding of how much infant mortality the human population can absorb and still be evolutionarily "successful," and you get stories like this one.
I had my son get all his vaccinations on schedule. Even though he'd cry and skitter around the room like a cat when they came in the room with a needle.
Next few times he got over it and eventually it didn't even bother him to get poked anymore.
I know it's terrible to see as a parent and comforting them sometimes doesn't work. You can't walk out of there just giving up. Shots really suck when you are little, but they are much better than dying from the diseases they prevent.
Some of the most successful pediatricians I’ve seen will poke the baby with the closed syringe several times before and after administering the shot. So that the babies get poked with it non-painfully more times than they get poked with it painfully. From what I’ve seen it seems to work.
Its like innoculating them to vaccinefear
You're giving them way too much credit. It's as simple as what a credentialed authority figure says must be part of some agenda but what a whatsapp/FB post or contrarian podcaster/blogger says is good and credible.
I don't think it's that - these people are just cheap, and MAHA gives them a permission structure to save a few dollars at the doctor.
This is horrific.
The part of me traumatized by our society drives my cynical obtrusive thought: this will cull some of the stupid genes from the pool.
Maybe idiocracy is not inevitable. Maybe the stupid, selfish,fear-consumed will remove themselves from the healthier parts of humanity. Too bad I won't be around for the better world.
The absolute numbers are still very low, and these folks tend to have more babies overall, so I don't think there's much silver lining here, even a grim one. They're just accepting higher infant mortality for no good reason because they don't understand statistics or that evolution doesn't care about "perfect" or about any individual baby (or anything else of course, because it's just a biological principle, but you take my meaning).
You have to work with who gets born and just try to bring as much critical thinking and empathy into the world as you can. If anything "good" will come of this, it will be as cautionary tales parents and doctors tell pregnant people.
Even worse, they're accepting infant mortality because "master white race" and fear of being the minority in 2045.
Yeah, I'm of European descent and even I have some angst about a potential loss of identity for the future. Still, I'm not going to go all Nazi on the world.
We're a collective series of mutations resulting from the colder, darker environments of the northern regions. I'd rather see the best/useful/beautiful characteristics of all ethnicities come together in a better humanity for all.
We might be the last remaining reservoirs of Neanderthal genes like the south pacific people might be the lat reservoir of denosivan genes. It would be a shame if all that were lost.
Still humanity is about the people who are alive now, and all deserve full recognition and rights. Genetic diversity improves the chances of species survival. That is what's important.
At this point I am much worried about the future effect of evil bloodlines then of stupid ones.
They do often go hand in hand, granted, but there are some wonderful stupid and/or mentally handicapped folks out there.
I don't believe in evil bloodlines, except in genetics that cause a predisposition to sociopathy. Even those people can learn to have empathy with intervention.
well yeah, I imagine the passing down of the evil is taught much moreso than genetic.
This is society healing itself of modernity and returning to its natural form. Soon the average lifespan shall once again be a healthy 25, just as Mother Gaia intended.
It’s wild how many parents are terrified of a vitamin shot but completely comfortable trusting random wellness influencers with zero medical background. And the really tragic part is that newborns don’t exactly get a second chance if the gamble goes wrong.
China recently decimated their (previously thriving) influencer ecosystem, simply by requiring that health influencers have documented health education, financial influencers have finance education, etc… China implemented the rule, and immediately banned like ~95% of all their health influencers. The rule targets both individual influencers and the platforms that host them. And no platform wants to stick their neck out and eat fines for some random influencer. So influencers who didn’t have documented education got banned basically overnight.
We need this AND it will never happen here.
China is clearly winning at modern society. The US is an empire in decline and it’s becoming more clear by the day.
We so fucked.
IDK if China is really a great example here, considering how many Chinese doctors will still tell you that drinking cold water is bad for you, and garlic makes people horny.
That’s the funny thing about medicine… Lots of medical advice is largely determined by where you live. In America, doctors tell pregnant women to avoid eating too much fish. In Japan, doctors tell pregnant women to eat more fish.
Well, there is also a huge quality difference between the average fish you can buy in the states compared to Japan
japan also pretty decimated thier own native fisheries
Its also which kind of fish iirc prey fish accumulate heavy metals which matters for an embroy...at least that's the explanation i heard, therefore sushi no good because there will be salmon
in the midwest and conservatives is anti-vax, and chronic lyme obsession, and now ANTI-FLOURIDE.
they still do that, and using endangered animals and plants. one example is the cordyceps that affect caterpillars in the steppes, they harvested so much that it so much that they couldnt sustain the demand, because its a complex lifecycle for the fungi and caterpillar.
Bro here on the local news during covid they'd interview idiots "im not trusting the government idk whats in that shot" and then they hit their gas station vape, amurica!
human beings are wired to trust other people's confident bullshit.
far more than they trust something abstract like medical knowledge backed by scientific studies.
it's not any different why the charming asshole narcissist is socially popular and the accurate nerdy scientist is seen as weird and anti-social.
That explains why I still see assholes with signs that support the pedo-in-chief, and have signs that are anti-Fauci. Also explains why Rand is trying to get Fauci indicted on bullshit charges.
What a shitty world.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/rand-paul-pushes-for-fauci-indictment-before-statute-of-limitations-expires/ar-AA22sAEX
It's literally because these people are manipulated by fear -- influencers intentionally use emotionally loaded language while doctors very intentionally do not.
Yeah, that reminds me of times of days past when people would just be chatting about how this or that food is bad for you... As we rail another line of cocaine... Like what do you care about healthy?
also listeing to a QUCK DOCTOR, AND person with brainworms. they also would inject GLP-1 because, they look thinner with it.
Right? At least those kids are being spared any further neglect and abuse.
Yep. Sucks to be born just do die of preventable illiness but that's literally evolution. Maybe the reason the world sucks so much is because we put up bumper rails and allow the weak to survive.
If you ask any right wing smooth brain they'd agree, they're not smart enough to recognize it's them that lose.
Exactly, being born to idiots is a rough existence anyway, those kids got spared
I have four natural born kids and all of them had their Vitamin K shots, and I would do it again in a heartbeat. I trust my doctors’ recommendations on what course of action is best, knowing that there are risks and benefits to any medical treatment, and we do these treatments because the benefits outweigh the risks.
With that said, the article doesn’t mention that the risk of the vitamin K shot is that the newborn’s bilirubin levels can be raised far enough that they have to be treated for it. One of my daughters had to be blindfolded and put under a very bright blue light for several hours or maybe it was overnight, which is not a nice thing to see your newborn go through.
But it is surely better than seeing them bleed to death.
Completely painless and done every single day in any NICU.
Isn't this for Jaundice? Or just happens to be the same cure? Anyway my baby went through the blue light special for jaundice - the worst part was having to be in the hospital longer
High bilirubin levels are the indicator for jaundice, so yeah, same thing
The blue light turns breaks down bilirubin as livers not yet active in some newborns to do this. It's an amazing therapy without drugs.
This is how bad the wider world of journalism has got, that having a human write a synopsis is now seen as bragging rights.
yea because it was mostly clickbait(which buzzfeed pioneered) and now AI generated.
Why do doctors have to listen to parents? If a parent abuses a child the child gets taken away but if he abuses a baby somehow it's ok?
To a degree, parents have the right to reject medical treatment for a child. There must be an immediate threat to the child's life or health to ignore their refusal. A preventative vitamin shot is not such a case. Superseding the parents' wishes here would require a court order.
Tell that to the bloodless babies
To be clear: I think the parents that made this decision are stupid and short sighted, and it sucks that children suffered as a result. I'm just pointing out that the doctors' hands are legally tied.
I used to feel this was a tragedy. Now I feel that those parents aren't intelligent enough to have children. They deserve what they got. The child died but it was probably going to of something else stupid at some point anyway. A century ago, before we had all the modern medical procedures, a large percentage of children didn't make it to adulthood. That is going to be the new norm for the parents who know better than "the elites".
On the other hand, some supposedly intelligent people are so doubtful of the world that they become hesitant at bringing a child in.
"I'm gonna fuck all y'all!"
Be careful. “Stupid people shouldn’t procreate” sounds like a good idea until the state deems you too stupid to deserve life. That’s eugenics. And it never stops with the people you think deserve it.
Its not eugenics it's just a reversion to natural pressures. Eugenics would imply that there is an artificial pressure causing the deaths.
The fact is most of us would likely not be here if not for modern medicine.
I’m not saying this child died due to eugenics. I’m saying that calling situations like this fine because the parents “deserve it” for being stupid is eugenicist thinking. It is justifying the child’s death because the parents are stupid and shouldn’t procreate anyway. Why not? Inferior genetics?
The child deserved to live in a world where even with stupid parents, they get adequate modern healthcare and can thrive. Instead they died, and that’s horrible, and saying “it’s fine because the parents were stupid” is horrible.
That means stupid people would have to run the State and make those rules.
Well, shit…
The us is getting more dumberer.
there is no bottom for these dumberikkklans
wHaTs ThE hArM iN My BeLiEfS????
Oral vitamin K1 is almost as effective as injected K1, and most countries seem to offer it orally as an alternative to injected. Oral is pretty much just as effective as injected. 1, 2
The article doesn't mention oral. Is it still not approved in the US? (It's the same formulation as that injected).
It's very cheap. In Australia it costs ~9AUD (~7USD) for a single dose vial with oral syringe without subsidies.
We personally don’t know the semantics as to why it’s not approved orally, however regardless of it being a shot or a drug shouldn’t matter if it’s gonna save the baby in the end.
injected likely gives an immediate effect and likely helps bypass people who cant absorb K1 naturally.
Negligent homicide
post-birth abortion.
this is a pretty poetic counterpoint to people who think Idiocracy is prophetic. nature doesn't give a fuck about what you think or how you feel, it is what it is. being an ignorant fucking moron meant death for the majority of human history, either for you, or as in this case your children. there's a large evolutionary pressure for humans to be intelligent and well educated, and the worse things get the more that will be true.
Evolutionary pressure has basically gone away since the birth of agriculture and modern medicine was the final blow
"They will not replace us!"
You know, if these parents believe they know better than medical professionals, why are they going to a medical facility to have their babies anyway? I feel it is just a waste of resources. Medical staff are stretched pretty thin already. Why waste time on people that will just ignore professional advice? Let them deal on their own, they obviously know better.
Makes me feel like a piece of shit saying it, but those kids are probably better off dead rather than being raised in an antivaxxer household where they're going to be indoctrinated with all that idiotic bullshit, forced to attend "parties" with diseased kids to intentionally catch their illnesses, probably have no chance at higher education thanks to shitty religious based homeschooling, take a bunch of quack medicine when they are ill ranging from useless to actively harmful, and possibly experience permanent damage from a preventable disease. Just seems like a lifetime of needless suffering.
You never know, I was raised evangelical and Ive managed to have a good life once I got out of there.
seen alot of those stories yt, ultra conservative people leaivng thier bubble and flourishing, but i wish they actually come out and say its evangelical,christanity instead of trying to obfuscate what thier saying.
party of pro-life?
Charge the parents with first degree murder.
Negligent homicide. They didn't plan to kill their kids, they did it accidentally by virtue of their ignorance and ego.
They deliberately denied a lifesaving medical procedure, that's first fucking degree murder.
Mens rei is a thing. For murder you need to prove they intended the result, not just that they intended the action.
That's why charges like negligent homicide exist.
They won't stop doing it if they don't suffer real consequences. Murder 1, life in prison.
...do you think a negligent homicide verdict doesn't have consequences?
Potentially yeah. In some states it can be charged as a misdemeanour with as little as probation or no jail time at all, especially for first offenders. Alabama treats criminally negligent homicide as a Class A misdemeanour with a maximum of one year imprisonment and/or $6,000 in fines in standard cases.
In many states it's treated as a low to mid-level felony, and the penalty typically doesn't exceed three years' imprisonment. Some states go up to 10 years and Montana goes up to 20.
So while it can have consequences, it doesn't necessarily have meaningful enough consequences depending on many factors.
Okay, here, I looked up the specifics. In Illinois, where I live, negligent homicide is a Class 2 Felony, with a maximum of 14 or 28 years, depending on case details. Source.
1st Degree Murder is 60 years. Source.
I'm not a lawyer, but instead a layman. That said, I argue that based on the law as cited, the parents had no lawful justification, and that their actions carried a high likelihood of death. Obviously a lawyer making such an argument in court would by necessity have to back that up, especially if they trotted out religious nonsense as a "lawful justification," but that's what they get paid for.
For the (3)/onward, was there an "and" used as the conjunction or an "or"?
that isnt murder lol, murder is with intention to kill. its negligence/abuse. negligent homicide is also a thing.
Less republicans
#TIL.
Tragic, but probably for the best.
The babies who are dying are almost exclusively from MAGA/MAHA families, so I don't really see the problem. They are simply fulfilling their Darwinian Imperative, through their particular application of their Constitutional Free-Dumbs.
God Bless MAGAmerica.
....and nothing of value was lost
To the 2 dudes above me, wtf?
So (at least in my journey) this was literally the only thing that both the top MDs and nurses, and the hippie midwives and doulas, all agreed on.. this being the family's choice.
Having said that I do everything scientists tell me to do and gave him all the fucking shots. But the K thing is a dicey hill to die on
It's peoples choice, but when lots of people are choosing to take a needless risk (even if small) that says something about society and the information environment that they're embedded in.
Aren’t you suppose to prevent blood clots?You want to clot so you don't bleed to death. You don't want clots floating around in your arteries because they can block something important
Ah I see, I’ve been meaning to take a first aid course and learn a little about hemorrhages. Thanks for the knowledge.
This is the fault of the US healthcare system and not necessarily the parents. I've had two kids in American hospitals and it was the single most exhausting, tortuous experience of my life each time. They don't let you rest, so your decision making is impacted, then they have over 30 injections they want to give your newborn and God forbid you want to discuss any of them, you must be an anti-science monster if you dare to question a single one. If the practitioners can't express plainly what is necessary and what is superfluous? Okay so the newborn baby needs a vitamin K injection, a vitamin their body will make on its own in a few days, to stop brain bleeds? And why is my newborn at risk of a brain bleed? Something to do with the constant stream of injections you're giving them? Or maybe the cuts? Oh because of the jaundice? Well if you would allow parents to get their children any kind of natural light maybe that wouldn't be an issue, but instead we're being held hostage here until you are satisfied that you've solved every issue you create.
You can all sit behind your keyboards judging the sleep deprived new parents who are being misled and taken advantage of by the healthcare industry, and act like they don't deserve to procreate, but like any other issue there is a lot more nuance to the problem than just "American dumb"
There are greater risks to using sunlight to treat newborn jaundice than to use the blue lights hospitals provide.
From that link:
On the flip side, the potential side effects of the hospital blue light treatment include mild "skin rash, diarrhea, or dehydration," which are usually temporary and resolve on their own after treatment. I'd rather a baby get a mild skin rash that goes away after being taken out of the light, than get sunburn that takes weeks to heal from and can increase the risk of cancer.
Having a new baby is stressful, I get it. But it takes nearly 9 months for the baby to arrive. Is that not enough time for new parents to learn about the medical treatments their baby will receive?
sigh I knew alekwithak's comment would get misinterpreted and downvoted.
FFS, the negative reaction against the stream of "unreasonable" questions posed above is exactly the problem. A question is asked of a professional warrants a clear compassionate response, not prejudice and derision.
Yes, the single aspect of Vitamin K1 injections/oral for neonates is highly effective uncontroversial science based medicine, but one needs to remember the context: so much of what parents are pushed to do medically around pregnancy and childbirth in a hospital-based birth is controversial and questionable, and in many cases the norms pushed by hospitals have evidence against them yet are still pushed by that system (for example: GBS testing & prophylactic antibiotics, gestational diabetes testing, routine induction before 42-43 weeks, continuous electronic fetal monitoring, circumcision).
In any case, prophylactic vitamin K1 can be offered orally if the parent is averse to shots for the newborn, sidestepping much of the perceived issue. It's unconsciable that this is not offered in some places (USA).
My mas a nurse and had them skip the HPV when I was born vaccine because it was spanky new and had some issues at the time and its not like if be exposed hepatitis any time soon. Claimed religious reasons, which is funny because she knew the Dr, and he knew it was BS.
That being said 12 years later in middle school they she signed the sheet for me to get it no fuss.
She ain't anti-science, just doesn't trust systematic organizations not to test shit on poor people.
She was also adamant about getting covid shots early because also has an understanding of risk vs reward, but advised to avoid J&J for obv reasons.
30 injections to newborns? Im calling bullshit on that.