D.C. Grand Jury Orders Reddit to Turn Over Data on Anonymous ICE Critic
Reason number 5,386 to delete your Reddit account and encourage your friends & loved ones to do the same.
https://www.jezebel.com/grand-jury-reddit-user-identity-ice-criticism-freedom-of-speech-first-amendment-subpoenaOpen linkView original on lemmy.dbzer0.com817
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ah pedonald trying to scare people. fuck him with a retractable baton.
That might bring him pleasure.
Dip him in acid.
Heh, which kind?
That calcium-loving one that eats your bones if you touch it?
I kinda wanna see the one that causes sensory blending and hallucinations.
And just fuck with him for...well how ever many days a dose like that would take to wear off.
Nah, give him shrooms and let the mushroom gods show him the weight of his own soul as it drags him beneath the rising tides of the abyss...
I think you're referring to hydrofluoric acid
Ah yes, the bone hurting juice
As a chemist, I recommend Hydrofloric acid
A friend of a friend died from spilling a small amount of HF onto himself.
concentrated HF is highly toxic and caustic, while diluted in water isnt that poisonous.
All of them
Donny was a pedo-phile
Now Donny is no more
What Donny thought was H20
Was H2SO4
man i fuckin hate the us government. Do y'all really say shit like "pedonald" unironically though
do y'all say that shit and be like "heh yeah i got his ass"? do y'all say shit like "The Orange Menace" and think it's the fuckin bomb dot com?
you old ass freaky mfs got that truth social energy going on. Y'all say some corn ball facebook auntie garbage and act like it's tuff with two F's
Can y'all act like normal human beings instead of this weird ass insulated secluded sector of the radicalized internet for a sec big dog like damn
slaughter conservatives and behead authority figures, stop this busted ass middle school style name calling though holy fuck
Who here is acting "tuff"? It seems more like it's you than anyone else.
Come on down from wherever you are from and get the ball rolling for us, id welcome you
It's not the radicalized people who are fine with a pedophile in the white house...
Room temp IQ.
ok.
Good god the title is very misleading. The grand jury hearing isn't until April 14. It's still chilling that the administration will go to these lengths to apparently silence criticism, but I'm not convinced there is more to this story. Although the reddit user in question is enlisting a civil liberties group to represent him, I'm thinking he/she may not be a terrorist mastermind who is a danger to the American people.
That doesn't sound misleading in the slightest, because that's not the definition of misleading. It sounds like a fucking lie.
This measured response feels much healthier than my/our kneejerk reactions. Any prosecutor is going to seek information that would help their case, and they expect the Court to simply say No when it isn’t compatible with the law. It sucks that this Trump admin and retributive DOJ have such an anti-American track record that our initial instinct is that every move is another attempt to suppress criticism (which it likely would be if they had any scintilla of competence to go with their thirst for fascism).
OP's headline does not match the article linked in any way. I don't know if the site changed the article or what, but the Grand Jury has not ordered Reddit to turn over any data.
Essentially, they have ordered Reddit to send representatives to be badgered into volunteering the user's information.
These kinds of posts and titles on Lemmy are a serious issue that I've noticed over the last 6 to 7 months.
There appears to be a serious issue with moderation and a lot of Lemmy subs.
I'm not calling for any Reddit styled moderation here. Absolutely not. I'm just saying something needs to happen here to better moderate these subs.
It's really easy for one of the mods in this community to make the op fix the headline or remove the post. Did anyone report it?
Isnt it up to the readers of the article to notice and upvote things like this? Lemmy is just a link aggregator. Mods dont read every post. I bet almost everyone has a full time job or student life too.
Report it and upvote the problem and it will be fixed by a mod eventually, and readers will be aware until that happens.
Maybe mods should be subject to review by members.
One thing I love about eBay is that buyers can also be rated by sellers.
That single handedly resolved many issues.
I'm just saying... You're right.
So they are using a form of harassment? Get them to look at the cost of sending someone vs just betraying one user. Of course the blowback as reddit shows it would betray your anonymity could be a pr disaster.
If the article is correct then the whole demand is truly bizarre. There seems to be nothing in the reddit user's postings to warrant this amount of concern. The fact that his comments are innocuous may be to set a precedent that any criticism, regardless of severity, can be prosecuted or at least intimidation.
No, it's not volunteering, at least not anymore.
Subpoena is legal Latin for "under penalty," because noncompliance with a subpoena carries a penalty.
Originally, it was an information request from the feds, and Reddit refused. Then they escalated to getting a grand jury subpoena (which means they got a bunch of normal citizens to agree that the information was relevant to a criminal investigation), so now noncompliance carries a penalty.
Reddit notified the users, who hired their own lawyers, who are resisting the subpoena and will litigate it to where they need a judge to decide whether Reddit will have to turn the information over.
That's the process for these things, and we're a couple steps in already.
Subpoena to appear, not subpeona to give up info
The commenter above you is correct, they haven't forced the issue yet
This reporting says that the subpoena requires that Reddit produce the information and appear for a hearing.
I copy pasted the headline from Particle. Apologies
Actual title:
A Secret Grand Jury Is Seeking the Identity of a Reddit User Who Criticized ICE
Fuck ICE
Once again, just in case no one heard, FUCK ICE
I'll say it for you then.
#FUCK ICE ✊
why don't you take a marker and a white shirt, write that on that shirt, and actually wear it outside, instead of doing this.
why don't you go get your diaper changed and take a nap big piss baby.
Why don't you go criticize someone in real life too.
ohh deflection! nice one, but I already made the shirt! Why don't you do something with your life in real life?
I've managed to do two things
This is a reminder to everyone. If you or someone you know is still on Reddit. Use an extension to bulk deleted everything before deleting the account. You're friends and family are not safe posting on reddit.
I am no fan of reddit but in this case Reddit appears to have championed this users anonymity going so far as to actively draw the ire of the administration.
You’re not wrong that you’re not safe posting on Reddit, but if this case is any indication you’re not any less safe posting in Reddit than any other site, including Lemmy.
You can choose the location (and thus legal jurisdiction) of your home instance, but yeah, in general, I think that people need to be aware that server operators on the Threadiverse are probably not going to fight legal battles on your behalf.
We had someone ask about turning over IP addresses to law enforcement a while back on lemmy.today. The lemmy.today server admin gave what I'd call probably a pretty accurate answer.
https://lemmy.today/post/7255213
It linked to a similar question for lemmy.dbzer0.com:
There are platforms more-aimed at providing harder pseudonymity. I'd put Hyphanet fairly high on the list of "a pain in the ass to track a poster down due to technical barriers" list (though that comes with very real performance and latency and suchlike costs).
To answer for Quokk.au. If I had to, I’d delete the instance and all data before ever handing anything over. They can take me to court if need be.
I run an instance filled with trans people and anarchists, I would risk a lot to protect them from the state.
Big props to you! Thank you for defendeing their rights.
Why should the instance care about my ip? Why would they log it? Idem emails. Why tf do you care? We need a privacy preserving/enhancing server.
Your comment was auto-removed for profanity, an admin will review it and undelete it soon if there has been an error. Sorry for the inconvenience.
That is what I said
We know. We exist out of spite.
Life is not safe. It's pretty relatively safe, as compared to living under a lean-to in the woods with bears and disease carrying insects and such, and even that's safer than people make it out to be. However, there are "dangerous things" out there, both in the woods and in the streets and in the organized crime / government. Are you more likely to die of a car crash, or a malicious action of some organized group, or a car crash arranged by some organized group? It's really hard to be sure, but if the available information is anything close to accurate, you're better off worrying about a car crash than a meteorite strike, or shark bite, or bad people targeting you.
harder to make a international site comply though
Only if that country doesn’t have info sharing treaties with the US. So much of Europe isn’t any safer than in the US.
Isn’t Reddit owned by China? WTF is Trump going to do?
Reddit is owned by Vanguard, Blackrock, JP Morgan, etc
You'd really think they could afford hiring some moderators.
Reddit is headquartered in San Francisco
From what I've been hearing that hasn't been working anymore.
Can you do that for a banned account?
If you wait long enough they'll unban your account. I lost my 10 year old account a few months before the API debacle over referencing piracy in /r/movies and then inadvertently commenting there on an alt account, and just discovered that it was completely restored a few months ago.
Good to know, since I was shadow-banned for "circumventing a ban" even though my account wasn't banned to begin with. (No, I didn't have any alt accounts)
That's exactly what mine was for. I think it was around 2 years later that it was restored.
Nope
Ya. I just got a 7 day ban for telling people to go and train with their guns at shooting ranges just to get used to using them before the civil war starts.
Bulk deletion of your posts might remove useful information from the internet.
Well, maybe it’s now all saved to ChatGPT‘s faulty memory.
bro you need to relax and touch some grass, fr fr.
They can't fucking WAIT until this ID verification goes through. Literally frothing at the mouth for it.
I don't get it. Once ID checks are here, do they think people will keep expressing these kinds of opinions publicly? Oh course not, they're just going to keep going further underground online or find offline ways, do they really think we'll just keep posting incriminating stuff with our real name attached?
The oppression is the goal. They want you to tell 10 people locally, not 10 million worldwide.
Yeah but the 10 locals are the ones that might actually end up doing something instead of shouting into the digital void.
Suppression of anything critical of Trump and the other snowflakes is the goal. Oppression is their favorite tool, but they’ll settle for intimidation which still ends up being effective even when our institutions uphold the Constitution.
People are already pushing all kind of extreme and suspicious opinions on multiple websites under their "official" name that can be found on their ID. This won't change. And the risk isn't people stopping saying thing at one point; it's the list of "allowed" topics changing over time, then going back to older content.
The most absurd part of this is their inability to dox someone for a month. Give a handful of bored nerds any motivation and they'd have it figured out in a day or two.
Be grateful they are incompetent.
The Reddit hivemind is a bit like AI, now that I think about it.
They'll give you a confident, reasonable sounding answer. Any accuracy will be completely accidental.
Well you see, most of reddit bots/comments are AI generated. it comes from 2 camps, 1 from propaganda, and the other (reddit targets with thier own AI moderation) the OF/ link /business droppers/ads that are warming up thier accoutns with random comments(in non-propaganda way) or posting it.
These days I'm pretty sure most of the Reddit hivemind is AI.
I find it reassuring that the government is at least acting like they can't identify this user without Reddit's consent. I wonder why this charade is necessary; are they trying to set a legal precedent?
They want to intimidate people, imho.
They want to prosecute peope in open court so using the NSA to id people would be inconvenient (but not impossible).
They've probably already ID'd them. Now they just need Reddit to "volunteer" the info that DickSwanger420 is actually Marvin Peterson from Boise.
Exactly, known as parallel construction, they find a plausible way to have found what they illegally know to use it publicly.
They are doing a parallel construction so they can publicly make accusations. It's not reassuring I assure you.
Yes, of course.
Why would they be acting? It’s probably not a first amendment test.
They've had difficulty convincing grand juries to indict in other sketchy cases. I have to wonder what super secret group of totally-not-ICE-officials this was approved by.
need to scroll down this far to see this
Grand juries are usually formalities with a very low bar. There's a phrase that you can indict a ham sandwich. Not getting a "true bill" is honestly an embarrassment that many prosecutors never see in their entire career.
I could have seen this get blocked here, but there are still many steps ahead, each will get harder to move forward with.
Fun fact: I just wrapped up a case as a juror (not a grand juror) this morning. We rendered a verdict of not guilty because there was plenty of reasonable doubt to be had.
probably a ALL-PRO ice jury.
Today is a good day to use Lemmy.
I remember when reddit first got popular and the demise of Digg
I feel like we're watching the demise or reddit now
The place is nothing but bots, they allow loser power tripping mods to ban you willy nilly with basically no appeal process. And now they're gonna give you up to the govt
I'm sure shareholders are super stoked right now
Now? It died in 2023 or whenever the API debacle happened. Even before that it was pretty botty.
Yes it had been pretty shit since maybe 2016 or so honestly. You can go on any thread of an article on any subreddit and the top comments and top replies are like pre manufactured echo chamber propaganda for whoever is astroturfing or modding that community. Don't get it messed up, Lemmy is guilty of echo chamber attitude as well but on Lemmy it's at least a mass of people causing an echo chamber not one likely corporate interest pushing a talking point. Definatley feels more "natural" here I suppose. Or more human? Idk if I get rained on with downvotes here I'm pretty confident every individual one had a person behind it, vs u broke with the propaganda machine on reddit then you get downvoted into oblivion or censored/deleted. And if u get banned here it's usually only one community that you likely don't want to be in anyways, so benefits both the banned user and the community. I was glad the api debacle happened because it's the only reason I learned about the fediverse!
The 2016 point is, on point. I remember the absolute flood of pro-Trump, incel, conservative content that felt completely inorganic and had very little representation prior popping up literally everywhere, everyday. It was like a firehose of far right fringe ideas was aimed at Reddit. Reddit 100% had problems prior but it was mostly focused on violence/sexual violence towards women and girls and wasn’t ever on the front page, other than maybe Jailbait. Even at the time people using Reddit were aware and talking about how unnatural it all seemed but now it’s too far gone and been normalized.
I was a very early Reddit user, and a “power user” for over a decade who was permanently banned for “inciting violence” by saying I was surprised Kanye hadn’t murder/suicided Kim or Taylor yet as a joke. I think my far left progressive comments were more likely the reason.
It's definitely gotten pretty weird. I'm on my last warning for inciting violence over saying I'm surprised no one has gotten killed yet, in a poorly designed traffic intersection that results in near-daily collisions near my house. Seriously. Someone reported it for inciting violence, the mods on the thread removed it and Reddit warned me and banned my account for a period. I've had a few other ones that were pretty random too.
Everyone is still using it. It sucks since i just want everyone to come on piefed/lemmy. I really have no idea what reddit has to do to make people switch. Its kinda like seeing a toxic relationship.
Based on the number of people still using the cesspit that Twitter turned into, Reddit has to sink a hell of a lot lower to get people to stop using it.
I finally left just a couple weeks ago. Seeing and hearing about entire accounts being banned after simple peaceful criticism of political leaders showed me that they use poorly programmed algorithms to issue bans and also confirm them on appeals without any reasonable human elements. It also seemed like some accounts would get perma-banned by simply complaining about this process.
I got banned for suggesting someone put a hole in the Charlie Kirk statue
"Intentionally programmed algorithms"... ftfy
Mods on Lemmy are at least as ban happy than those on Reddit. Appeals? They don’t exist at all. At least you can easily make a new account on different instance on Lemmy. Reddit has strong enforcement of also banning all accounts they can link to yours with cookie and IP.
Lemmy admins are likely to comply with local law enforcement as well, if they have to. So far it’s just untested because of irrelevance.
Lemmy is self hosted and most people would for sure handover whatever they could if the feds just asked
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
DC is hoping a grand jury will order .
Fuck these nazis
Why not worry about the pedo in the white house instead? Deport him and his entire family to the middle of the atlantic.
A'right, this is disgusting, but it's really not Reddit's fault if a Grand Jury requests evidence. ::: spoiler spoiler
___Especially because the Grand Jury hasn't even requested anything yet, I guess?
:::
there goes "their freedom of speech", hypocrites
Just pull the Faux Nooz defense. No sane person would take me seriously.
OR follow your orange leader's example of "can't you take a joke?"
only works if its already peddling Right wing propaganda from the start.
Just a prank, bro!
So, the rule is very old already, actually: You can't criticize ICE on Reddit if you're an American citizen, because of this. And you can't criticize ICE, Israel, Trump and etc. on Reddit even if you're are not the USA citizen - because of bans on platform.
People criticize Trump, ICE, Israel on Reddit all day every day. There are many subreddits dedicated to these topics.
I have personally witnessed a lot of bans and repressions because of this. Mainly on popular subreddits. Small ones remain relatively intact, since not much people attend them anyway. What I mean is that you can create a subreddit of like 50 people and discuss there whatever you want. But once you in a big one (100K+) - bans.
Go figure. Reddit really has tanked
why are you even here then? xD
i heard its a "secret grand jury" whatever that means, probably chosen only jurors that would vote in thier favors, aka literally choosing biased jurors. since reddit is half or more as bots, it will be funny if they only found its a bot from another country. i have a hunch that reddit does not reveal thier bot activities, or how they are allowing them.
You must not remember the 944 Russian bot accounts from the 2016 election. Some of the accounts have been cleaned but reddit actually documented that bot activity pretty well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/s/t726ZCxAYl
https://reddit.com/r/reddit.com/w/suspiciousaccounts
Why is it important to make a fat joke about Nazis? Did you run out of things to make fun of them for being Nazis?
Seriously y'all, for all the people on this site who fancy themselves as "leftists" or "progressive," y'all use eugenicist talking points fucking costantly. You gotta stop making fun of Nazis for shit that has nothing to do with them being Nazis. If your only way to make fun of these people is to target other groups, I'm not sure what you hate about them besides the aesthetics.
Edit: Those that are commenting and messaging, be careful what you think is harmless, you're not smart enough to passively and subsconsciously address every single internalized value you hold as though you're God's chosen goody-goody.
Because calling them Nazis doesn't affect them - they're proud of it. I don't particularly care about being ACCURATE with those pieces of trash, and my attempts to do so would only be taken by them as a sign of weakness. It's about getting to them psychologically and showing them I don't respect them in a language they can understand. I get that the language is offensive to people who are not them as well, but it's like a gun - it's not just about the weapon, it's about who you point it at. If it gets to Nazi bastards, I'm going to use it.
Oh awesome, could you explain how making fun of fat people constitutes psychological warfare against Nazis? It's not like a gun, because a gun is a fucking inanimate object, and society and culture are not.
When you say that fatness is something that is akin to the same level of moral depravity as subscribing to genocidal politics, you are reproducing fascist constructions of the ideal human body and the relationship between physical deformity and social degradation. Liberals have used ageism, ableism, queerohobia and transphobia, racism, and yes, fatphobia to make fun of Nazis because most of them have no idea what is wrong about fascism besides the distastefulness of their tactics. It's not about the language being "offensive," it's about anti-fascism.
You wanna be a fascist or not?
I also don't really care about offending people, but claiming that they are conflating fatness with being a Nazi is ludicrous.
Them being fat isn't worse than them being a Nazi, you braindead, victimhood-seeking pillouck. It is just offensive to say to them and makes them sad. Trying to police every word that people say is also highly fascist.
You wanna be a fascist or not?
You really are trying to twist what language means. We use words to be understood and you seem intent on mischaracterizing and misattributing the meaning of words when it suits you. Should we restrain from calling them pedophiles too? I mean surly there are some pedophiles out there who would be offended at being linking to Nazis. It BESMIRCHES the good name of pedophiles.
Please, good sir, tell me what insults I can hurl at the people MURDERING AND ABUSING PEOPLE that they actually care about? Shall I dig back a hundred years to find something no one else finds offensive? And they will?
This one is way more zealous than the other one, refer to the other comment for an explanation of the connection.
It isn't that it's mean, you dummy, it's that the underlying values of this joke are in fact fascist in their orientation and, because people like you exist, it is an effective way to promote those values. If you need an example, think of the jokes about these people that reference inbreeding with the presumption that it is correlated with poor intellectual and cognitive ability, and therefore validates the idea that these moral qualities are related to genetic qualities (there is also a classist element in this joke given where they are oriented in the US geographically). Even if there is science to suggest that this is potentially a real consequence of inbreeding, I hope I don't have to explain even more clearly to you why it is problematic to naturalize the correlation between genetics and the danger one group poses to society at large.
You've tried to lecture me on language, but you don't seem to know what any of these words mean, which is why you are so vulnerable to the manipulation that they promote. You think every fascist is just what, dumber than you? You don't think that maybe there's a way to "trick" you into subscribing to the same values they do, especially if you already subscribe to liberalism wholeheartedly as what appears to be the case here? You don't get to choose the consequences of your actions, you can only inform yourself so that you can make better decisions in the future. If the effect of this joke is that it reproduces the idea that there are physical markers for moral depravity, then you either have to admit that you want it to have that function or change the way you understand these terms and the context they exist in. Some fascists choose to be fascists, most of them just don't think about it.
You think I'm a liberal...? Wow. Damn I'm glad I'm sitting down, that one hurt.
This is the sort of thinking that gets people to sit peacefully ont heir couch because violence is inherently fascist, and to use violence against the state would be morally repugnant because of the message it would send about how to resolve our differences.
How about, we kill the people hurting others for personal gain, and then we have a nice long talk about why we shouldn't kill people in polite society, which those others intentionally destroyed?
Or is that promoting fascist ideology as well?
Oh look, another Lemmy "leftist," who thinks systemic oppression is just when people are mean about how you look. We all know you're a lib dude, nobody else is so self-righteous about aggrieved entitlement to bigotry. You want to feel like a good person without actually understanding what that means and putting the work into changing.
If you can't tell the difference between anti-fascism and pacifism, you better stay the fuck on your couch, we don't want you out here. I don't know anyone who doesn't have a story about some smug fuck lib man showing up to events and saying some edgelord power-fantasy shit before saying some bigoted shit. You aren't a fucking socialist if you subscribe to liberal constructions of human value, you dense chud.
"Liberals have used ageism, ableism, queerohobia and transphobia, racism, and yes, fatphobia" One of these things is not like the others. One of these things doesn't belong. You're up in arms about the one thing a person can help. Fatness is curable. It can be done without drugs even.
I don't particularly care for fat shaming myself. I'm classified as obese and struggle with compulsive eating the same as anyone, but you'll never see me endorse a fat pride parade the same as a gay pride parade. Being fat is physically and mentally unhealthy and should not be promoted. Being body positive is good, being fat positive is not.
But we could probably all agree that it's okay to shame ICE for being stupid evil assholes.
I do find it concerning just how many people talk about things like this without ever challenging their fundamental understanding of social norms. A lot of you do just assume you're smarter than me, which is funny, and I wonder if you've ever actually read anything on fatphobia and the arguments for its recognition.
Bigotry is difficult for liberals to understand because they typically want to recognize it as individualized actions of aggression like calling someone a slur or being mean about someone's weight. Have you considered for a moment that you are vulnerable to the laundering of values that promote dehumanization and genocide through vectors of "bigotry" which you don't take seriously, such as fatness? You used the word "curable," which is very convenient for me as it is a good demonstration of how this topic is medicalized (we can ignore the well-documented discrimination against fat people in medical settings for now), and specifically how it is pathologized. When something is pathologized, that means that whatever is seen as wrong with it is always relative to an idealized, "positive" thing; a fat body is bad (unhealthy) because it is not good like a thin body (healthy). Regardless of the medical science behind this construction (of which I'm sure you also have not read as it is well established by this point that fatness is not necessarily unhealthy relative to other factors), this has manifested socially as a vector of discrimination exactly because of the perception that this is an illness that is cured by willpower. Conveniently in an neoliberal culture, an illness that materializes laziness, poor self-control, and general moral degeneracy reinforces an individualism where individual people are responsible for the effects of their material conditions; i.e. you can choose to be fat the same way you can choose to be poor.
Because fatness is not a recognized vector for discrimination in the same way that racism and sexism is, it is an important site of scholarly discourses exactly because of how effective it is at laundering ableism and classism; along with the fact that it is a measurably oppressed and vulnerable group based on the research I allude to above. Liberals like you don't question any of this, and then readily engage in the fascist rhetoric I am criticizing in this comment with the assumption that you are doing the righteous thing by promoting bodily health and dissuading any claim that a person's fatness is not related to their moral quality of character. It is not about, "body-positivity" any more than anti-racism and anti-queerphobia is even though those forms of oppression similarly relate to the subordination of particular bodily attributes to others. That oppressive ideal of thinness is inextricably linked to ideas of whiteness, and "fitness" in a very fascist understanding of the natural world and human evolution.
Hope that explains some of it to you.
Being fat is objectively unhealthy and in fact a chronic disease. It brings with it high blood pressure, chronic fatigue, higher mortality rates in younger people, diabetes, higher rates of heart disease, blood clots, arthritis, strokes, poor sleep, and a hundred other things. And it's in fact a chronic disease that can be cured. Without drugs.
There's a reason the first thing they do at a doctor's office is weigh you. It's a simple metric that is a strong predictor of overall health.
I'm not saying this as an indictment against fat people. I'm not saying it's okay to fat shame. I'm saying this as a simple fact that being fat is unhealthy and has real consequences. I am also saying it is morally wrong to say it's okay being fat. Saying being fat is okay teaches people that health does not matter and they go on to live shorter more painful lives.
I don't think I'm smarter than you. I think you're over thinking this.
I think it is unironically very funny to assert something is real just because it's normalized in medicine. As we all know, medsci is historically very conscious of social and material conditions and is not subject to the distortions of the classes of people who have access to that authority, and no new research is relevant ever. I guess that means black women really do feel less pain, trans people only started existing forty years ago, and skulls can actually teach us about racial intelligence (people were arguing for phrenology until the late twentieth century). That you're arguing this during a period where eating disorders are very visible in popular culture is also just too perfect. Could you then, cite any articles or studies you've engaged with to build your oh-so-well-informed-and-underthought worldview? I have just a few off the top of my list:
The Obesity Myth: Why America's Obsession with Weight Is Hazardous to your Health, Campos, 2004.
Yamawaki, Niwako, Christina Riley, Claudia Rasmussen, and Mary Cook, "The Effects of Obesity Myths on Perceptions of Sexual Assault Victims and Perpetrators' Credibility," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 33 (4): 662-85, 2018.
Ramos, Salas, X, M Forhan, and A. M Sharma, "Diffusing Obesity Myths," Clinical Obesity, 4(3), 2014.
Pollack, Catherine C, "Characterizing the Prevalence of Obesity Misinformation, Factual Content, Stigma, and Positivity on the Social Media Platform Reddit Between 2011 and 2019: Infodemiology Study," Journal of Medical Internet Research, 24 (12), 2022.
Lindeman, Tracey, Bleed: Destroying Myths and Misogyny in Endometriosis Care, 2024.
https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/a23-refcomm-d-annotated.pdf (2023 American Medical Association House of Delegates statement against the use of BMI).
There's some social and medical criticisms of the concept of obesity as well as how it is measured and medicalized.
This is all of course besides the fact that, regardless of whether obesity is understood properly, its presence in this original joke is in fact still fascist and still functions to normalize the fundamental values of fatphobia as they intersect with transphobia, racism, misogyny, and ableism. "I think you're over thinking this," is a staple phrase of fascism. Maybe you should fucking think a bit.
You’re right. We shouldn’t make jokes at their expanse.
Okay chud. Let's see your audience's reaction:
(See how you can make fun of them without making fun of vulnerable groups? its so easy when you aren't a bigot)
I really wonder what is preventing people using reddit from using Lemmy, Lemmy is just really good and I really like it, the only problem would be financial issues with big instances that have to store historical data so they can serve it, using more and more space, so that is why is better for everyone to use small instances instead of big ones ;3
Even huge thriving communities on Reddit have zero representation here. The culture is also hyper specific on Lemmy. I find Lemmy to be generally more tolerant of my progressive, feminist, disabled person views but also if I want to talk about them there’s not that many places, but there are what feels like hundreds of options to talk about stuff I have absolutely no interest in like operating systems. I think it’s a diversity issue
I think we're just going to have to get a lot more interested in operating systems.
You won't find half the communities or niche interests here. It's hopelessly small relatively and it's not visibly getting any better any time soon.
I still shifted off reddit because I found their complacency unacceptable, but the sacrifice is felt.
I still think universities and academic societies should be hosting instances and funding them with dedicated endowments. It'd also provide a great way to request more money from people who feel a reciprocal obligation due to using the instance.
Lemmy is relatively dead and horribly split-brained.
Basically, federations should have been a per topic thing, not entire instances.
I gave my input almost 3 years ago when I first joined, and I stand by it.
There should be a few general instances. These would be the big ones, where users would mostly clump. Any community would make sense here, but communities based on topics that have niche instances wouldn't do well here, because everyone would just use the niche instances communities for those topics.
Then there would be smaller niche instances. Like I'm sure there's SOMEONE who would join the star trek instance. Where every community is star trek themed. I don't imagine that would be a significant percentage, but they would exist. Now, the communities would see a lot of traffic. I don't doubt that if you consolidated all the star trek communities it would get a lot of people joining the communities. I just don't think most people would feel the need to make that their home instance.
And star trek is just one example. You could have a sports instance. A movies instance. A tv instance. An art instance. An instance that's just geographical locations instance. But most people would join the communities, not the instance.
That way, when people use the "local" tab, it's a bit more diverse.
I'm with you. I love the idea of decentralization, but it still needs to be all in network to maintain any significant size of a user base.
The masses are fucking morons and a threat to anyone trying to actually improve anything. Don't hold your breath for them to abandon their dopamine dispensers.
Cannon no doubt
I doubt an anonymous ICE critic would be criticizing ICE without using a VPN.
Given the US Constitution, no US citizen should need a VPN to do that.
Does Reddit even know who they are? Sure they could hand over my IP address but even without a VPN my IP says I'm hundreds of miles away from my real location so that wouldn't help them.
When looking at an IP for an investigation, they don't use GeoIP. They use "ask the ISP who had this IP at this time, oh, thanks for the full name, address, bank info, phone number".
Well my ISP won't hand over that info as it would be a violation of GDPR not that this administration will have thought that one through.
You sure about that? They have a legal obligation to keep this trace, and it sounds like it would easily qualify as a legitimate interest. We're not talking about some third party logging a visitor's IP, but an ISP, that have a requirement to keep this information.
The GDPR isn't making all personal identification data inaccessible, they restrict how they can be stored and accessed. If there's a legal requirement and/or a legitimate interest, they can be stored, and if the data exists and is requested by law enforcement, it's likely that higher agreements will hold.
GDPR implies EU residence and USA law enforcement has no power in the EU. So they'd have to ask EU law enforcement, which will deny the request because of the fascist reasoning (Negative comments are both legal in the EU and US). GDPR protects the user where US law enforcement would try and get the data from the ISP directly, which is not allowed to share it without consent or a warrant by local law enforcement.
(Also, in the EU you can not sign your rights away. This means that even if you agree to a ToS where you allegedly give consent, it still isn't allowed. The GDPR and local law supersede).
US law enforcement has no jurisdiction outside of the US.
And there's never been any kind of international cooperation between law enforcement ever, anywhere.
US law is not global law. There is no international cooperation allowing the US fascist police department to do whatever it is that they want.
They will certainly hand it over if a there is a warrant.
(I wonder how far you could daisy chain wifi routers and repeaters. At least make them work for it.)
A warrant from a US judge isn't worth the paper it's written on except in the US so no they wouldn't hand it over
This is an extremely naive take
It will. I can assure you the government have far more resources at their disposal than you do.
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