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What are the most confusing false friends from your language to another that are spelled exactly the same?

I know for instance, between Japanese & Mandarin there are a few words that are written the same despite them being pronounced differently along with having different meanings altogether:

WordJapanese DefinitionMandarin Definition
手紙Letter (mail)Toilet Paper
先生TeacherMister (Mr.)
天井CeilingAtrium
説話FolktaleTo Speak
新聞NewspaperNews (media)
約束PromiseConstrain
文句ComplainPhrase
怪我InjuryBlame me
白鳥SwanWhite Bird
皮肉IronySkin & Flesh
王妃QueenPrincess
中古Used ProductMedieval Times
氷箱Ice BoxRefrigerator
手袋GlovesHandbag
邪魔HinderanceDevil
Hot WaterSoup
BoarPig
ArmWrist
RunWalk
ShelfShed
NeckHead
FloorBed
ScoldTo Eat
Desk (Furniture)Machinery
DaughterMother

In hindsight: if you are bilingual, do you know any false friends between two languages (i.e. English & French) or (i.e. Spanish & Portuguese) that are spelled the same but have different definitions across both languages?

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lemmy.world

In Danish, and probably other Scandinavian languages, the word for speed, is 'fart'. In older days it also meant movement, so it is part of a bunch of other words. Therefore we have word like

  • Fartkontrol (speed control)
  • Fartpilot (cruise control)
  • Topfart (top speed)
  • Middelfart (city in Denmark)
  • Overfart (ferry crossing)
  • Fartbump (speed bump)
  • Fartblind (unaware of one's speed)
  • Fartplan (timetable)
  • Nedfart (descent)
  • Dampfart (steam navigation)
  • Indfart (entry road)
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Fartplan 🤣

Actually, there are a few performance artists who make money but farting on stage. Sounds like they must have a plan like that.

Also, rule 35, so you can definitely find semi-professionals who focus on farting on video and posting online. I suppose they also plan their activities.

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This is the funniest thing I've learned in a while

I took an overfart to Middelfart the other day, totally fartblind at the time as my brain was on fartpilot.

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Epherareply
lemmy.ml

Explanation:

  • "die" is German for (feminine) "the".
  • "Gift" is German for poison.
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Same thing with Swedish. Gift (Swedish) = poison, venom, toxin etc.

Sounds like there must have been some colossal misunderstanding in the past.

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I went to an Oktoberfest festival in the US, and there was a popup shop called Gifthaus.

They did not understand my concern.

Edit: Sadly, it was a shop*, not a poison ship.

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hcf
sh.itjust.works

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

WordUS DefinitionUK Definition
BootType of shoeRear compartment of car
KnobA handleA penis
BiscuitA soft, flaky breadA cookie
ChipsThin, crispy potato snackFrench fries
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lemmy.world

I'm American. My grandpa was American. After my grandma died, he remarried a British woman.

One time when I was 7, she asked if I wanted pudding with dinner. As a kid I said YES!!! I didn't even ask what flavor. Chocolate. Vanilla. Tapioca. Banana. Fuck it. I don't care. You offered pudding, and a fat kids answer is always yes. No further questions needed.

Well, we have this meal with meat and gravy, and potatos, and a biscuit. It was all very good.

But then dinner was over.

And I'm waiting.

Everyone is leaving the table. They're acting like the meal is over.

Haaaaaaaaang on.

"Um....excuse me.....is the pudding ready?"

"Oh. You want another pudding? I think we have some more."

".....more?"

And then she hands me a teacup plate with another biscuit.

"I mean....ok. I'll eat this too, but where is the pudding?"

"Dear, this IS your pudding!"

long silence as I realize there is no pudding

"This is why everyone besides papa doesn't like you."

42 now. I stand by what I said. You don't tease a fat kid with sweets, and then give glorified bread.

In general I liked her. I was the only one who did.

In that moment though??? She was dead to me.

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Davereply
lemmy.nz

I'm from a colony and pudding would normally be dessert unless further specified. I'm curious what specifically it was, was it anything listed in the top-ish section here?

Savoury puddings include Yorkshire pudding, black pudding, suet pudding and steak and kidney pudding. Sweet puddings include bread pudding, sticky toffee pudding, tapioca pudding, and rice pudding. Unless qualified, however, pudding usually means dessert and in the United Kingdom, pudding is used as a synonym for dessert.

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Used to have a coworker who'd recently immigrated from the UK to the US. While we were working, I told him I was going to wear a fanny pack somewhere. The expression he gave me immediately told me something was wrong; he looked like I'd just said something really profane but didn't understand what, so I thought maybe he didn't know what a "fanny pack" was and only knew "fanny" as euphemistic slang for a butt. It took a solid minute at least before we figured out this was a false friend.

It was on that day that he learned what "fanny pack" means (and what "fanny" means in the US and Canada) and that I learned that "fanny" is all kinds of vulgar in the UK.

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There's a bit more context to some of these (UK).

If you say you're getting something out of the boot then it's going to be out of the car, but if you're putting on your boots then you're probably putting on some sturdy footwear.

When used as slang, a knob is definitely a dick, but it's also used in door knob (just a lump to pull on, rather than a handle) or can be used as a quantity of butter, i.e. a knob of butter to go on your toast.

Biscuits can include crackers, but generally they aren't baked goods with raising agents or yeast.

Chips are not french fries. They're in between French fries and potato wedges, and the best ones are crispy on the outside but soft on the inside. Some people think they shouldn't be crispy, but they're wrong.

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To add another: ‘pants’ means trousers in the US, but in the UK it means underpants. Can lead to some funny misinterpretations.

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lemmy.world

I think boot (you could also say bonnet/hood, lift/elevator, etc), pants, and knob all do have the same meaning between US and UK, they just have additional slang meanings, but those slang meanings are based on their real meanings.

Chips and Biscuit are better examples of having truly different meaning IMO.

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Exactly! Knob only means penis in England because we're a bunch of wankers.

I'd suggest "pissed".

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The Scandinavian languages are very similar and we can usually understand each other pretty well just using our native tongues, though there are some funny traps and false friends. Norwegians are entertained that in Sweden we drink "bärs" (beer), because it sounds exactly like "baesj" (shit). And are astounded that we can "pula" with almost anything, as in "tinker/fiddle around" in Swedish and "fucking" in Norwegian. Oh yeah, a Norwegian ex gf found it hilarious that we have "rågkusar" (a type of rye bread) in the stores, as "kusa" in norwegian mean "cunt". Also in Swedish a common slang word for shoes is "dojor/dojer", which on the west coast of norway is very similar to "daejer" that means tits. So don't go in a shoe store asking for a nice pair of "dojer" unless you know exactly what you are doing.

On a sidenote, I must give credit to the best Swedish word I know; "Skamsköljning". Literally "shame-rinsing". As in remembering something stupid you did and the feeling of shame washing over you. In Norwegian it is probably "pule-svejs", fuck-haircut. The funny hair you have after a good banging.

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Spanish and Italian have a few funny ones:

Burro: Donkey (Spanish) / Butter (Italian)

Porro: joint (of weed, you know) / Leek

Orto: Ass (not everywhere, but where I lived, it had that meaning) / vegetable garden

There's probably more, but these come to mind now.

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Orto: Ass (not everywhere, but where I lived, it had that meaning) / vegetable garden

Ohh, a vegetable garden in Spanish is "huerto". Interesting that they're so close yet so far.

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lemmy.zip

Greek: Ναι (ne) means yes. Greeks often move their head up and down to say yes.
Bulgarian: Не (ne) means no. Bulgarians often move their head up and down to say no.

So if someone says ne and moves their head up and down it could be a Greek saying yes or a Bulgarian saying no. In reality the movements are not the same but it would probably be confusing to an outsider.

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lemmy.ml

In German, we've somehow adopted the English word "Handy" to refer to mobile phones. Problem is, if you actually use it as a noun in an English sentence, it's a slang word for "handjob". 🫠

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sh.itjust.works

In American English (AmE) and British English (BrE), the verb "to table" is used in legislative debates. But the meaning is diametrically opposite: AmE uses the verb to mean the abandonment of a bill, analogized as though leaving it on the bargaining table to rot. Whereas the BrE verb means to introduce legislation, as in "bringing a bill to the table".

Both clearly share the same origin -- a piece of furniture -- and yet diverged as to what act is described by the word.

Other confusion arises from the verb "to sanction" which can mean "to allow" but sometimes also "to prohibit" or "make punishable".

And a more modern addition in slang vernacular: "to drop". In the context of artists, "dropping a mix tape" would mean to introduce new music. But "dropping a vocalist" means that the band has fired their singer. It would be confusing if both uses were found in the same sentence.

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That new mix tape was the bomb. Or did it bomb? I'm confused.

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piefed.zip

I remember the Czech word Pozor. It means "Attention" and is seen everywhere on all sorts of signage.

In Russian, however (and possibly other slavic languages), it means shame/disgrace.

I'm sure there were jokes about it when Russians were the invaders, but can't remember any.


Then there's Finnish/Estonian

FinnishEstonian
HallitusGovernmentMold
MaasikaEarth-pig (not a thing)Strawberry
MaasikapirukasEarth-pig devilStrawberry cake
Piim(ä)Buttermilk/sourmilkMilk
KaljuBaldRock

But my favorite is "nahkhiir", which means leather (nahk[a]) mouse (hiir[i]), i.e. a bat. (in Finnish it would be nahkahiiri, but bats are called lepakko)
Batman is consequently called Nahkhiirmees in Estonian, i.e. Leathermouseman.

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piefed.zip

You mean it means both bald AND rock in French?

It's not really surprising. The differences between Finnish/Estonian are usually small shifts in development. E.g. kallio means rock in Finnish - not too far from kalju. And it's easy to see why such a word could mean both.

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It doesn’t exactly mean bald in French. Bald would be expressed as: « pas un poil sur le caillou » meaning “not a hair on the rock (the head).”

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piefed.world

The one that springs to mind is the German bekommen v the English to become.

ENDE
to becomewerden
to getbekommen

They are basically the same word and at one point might've meant the same. Now there is no common meaning.

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feddit.org
EnglishGermanDutch
howwiehoe
whowerwie

Both who/hoe and wie/wie are pronounced almost identically. Always creates a knot in my brain that usually grinds my already not fluent speaking to a halt.

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It's not just in different languages, but sometimes in different variants of the same languages.

For instance, in Belgian French, "tournante" is any task in which people take turn, like a card game. In French French, it's specifically gang rape. Or "torchon" which is a cleaning cloth in France and a mop in Belgium.

And then you have words that aren't spelled exactly the same way but seem like an obvious translation (actual false friends, which aren't usually exact matches), like the Spanish "constipado", which means to have a stuffy nose and not what you think.

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Some examples from flemish (belgian dutch) to dutch:

Wordflemishdutch
Lopento runto walk
Stappento walkto go out (to a bar)
Poepento have sexto poop

I remember the first time in a swimming pool in flanders I was so confused by all the signs saying I shouldn't walk.

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schnurritoreply
discuss.tchncs.de

The German cognates of these mean the same as in Spanish, and I think that's also true for most other languages, so English is the weird language here.

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To search in Polish (szukać) means to fuck in Czech (same pronouncing, probably spelled differently because they are smarter and use š).

Čerstvy in Czech means fresh in Polish its old and dry (think of bread).

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Not exactly written the same, but in Catalan a cold with nose congestion is called a constipat or costipat (similarly constipado in Spanish).

Of course this can mean a very bad day¹ for you if you're in an English speaking country and know some but not enough English, and, trying to find the right word, ask the nearest pharmacist for some over the counter medicine for your “constipation”.

More of an outright enemy than a false friend, really.

  1. Blowing off both ends with every sneeze kind of bad, probably.
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fedia.io

mare:

  • french: pond
  • english: female horse
  • italian: ocean
  • dutch: message

P.S the word for what you're describing is either homonym (spelled the same, sounds the same) or a heteronym (spelled the same, sounds different). Wiktionary has a good table

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RustySharpreply
programming.dev

No, what they're describing is a False Friend. A very specific type of homophone/graph/nym. They work across languages. And in many cases (though not a hard rule) have close enough meaning/usage that would confuse non-native speakers trying to comprehend things via context.

E.g. A German telling his English friend, "I'll meet you at the gymnasium". The sentence is correct, and makes perfect sense to both. But they'll end up at two different places.

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atro_cityreply
fedia.io

OP wrote (emphasis mine)

What are the most confusing false friends from your language to another that are spelled exactly the same?

Definitions of a heteronym

wikipedia

A heteronym (also known as a heterophone) is a word that has a different pronunciation and meaning as another word but the same spelling.

dictionary.com

a word spelled the same as another but having a different sound and meaning

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kkjreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

That's within the same language. If it's across languages, the term doesn't apply.

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Nowhere in the definition is there a mention of a language restriction.

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There are a few close ones between Portuguese and Spanish but I can't think of any that's spelled exactly the same.

Between Portuguese dialects, the first that comes to mind is "puto" which just means young boy in European Portuguese and it's a swear word meaning male prostitute in Brazilian Portuguese (Brazilian Portuguese technically makes more sense because it's symmetrical to the female "puta" which always means "slut").

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bryndosreply
fedia.io

The English slang word "bumf" - generally meaning unnecessary bits of paper like adverts , health and safety warnings and TFM - originated from the armed forces, where toilet paper may have often been rationed. Any loose paper was therefore considered "bum fodder".

'Bum' of course meaning 'arse' in this case - not 'homeless person'.

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When my mom left my dad, there was a day my mom was picking me up. This was the late 80s/early 90s. She was wearing a sweatshirt from the clothing brand "BUM". For those of you who are younger, you might be able to find pictures of your grandparents wearing clothing with the word "BUM" written in a basic font across their chest. This was for a very short time, a very popular brand that nobody questioned why it was called "BUM".

So, my mom is wearing that sweatshirt. My mom has recently left my dad, and my dad is in a very negative head space where he just wants to belittle and insult my mom any way that he can. Shocking she'd ever leave him, I know. But his comment was "Oh yeah? You wearing that BUM sweatshirt? You know what BUM means? Black Urban Male! Your sweatshirt makes you a black man!

My dad was/is a pretty racist person. There's a reason he has no friends, and his only child (me) doesn't even really talk to him. He's all alone now. Let that be a lesson to everybody. Don't be a racist. Nobody likes racists.

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I know that 先生 also used to mean "teacher" in Mandarin, but slowly changed to the generic honorific. Obviously that change has taken place after Japan stopped borrowing words from Chinese.

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I'm going to spoiler tag this because it's a slur but I've always found this one the most comical

::: spoiler spoiler puto ::: seco.
In Tagalog = type of cookies
In Spanish = dry (male) whore

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fedia.io

Some of those you listed are closely related for a reason though, or are actually the same, in a sense. So I'm not sure they're different enough to really be considered false friends? Especially if you look at older shared uses and meanings. Even within Mandarin, you have the same type of differences. 計算機 for calculator or computer, but computers are calculators (compute and calculate are synonymous to begin with).

A Mandarin professor explained in my class that 先生 was used in the past to address teachers. Both Korean and Japanese still use 先生 to address teachers, but they can also use it to address other people in a highly respectful manner too (i.e., like 'mister'). But mainland Chinese eventually started using 老師 for some reason. Technically, 先生 doesn't literally mean teacher anyway. The job title in Japan is 教師.

Even if they're a bit different, most of them are easy to connect the dots. Like

新聞: news -> newspaper 約束: promises bind and constrain us 文句: technically does mean 'phrase', but its use as 'grumbling' (i.e., complaint) seems to have become more common 白鳥: swans are white birds, yeah? 氷箱: a box of ice is just a primitive method of refrigeration, no? 邪魔: this one comes from Buddhism, so the meaning is actually originally the same, but instead of just wicked spirits that hinder you from reaching enlightenment, it came to mean any hindrance in general 猪: pigs are domesticated subspecies of boars 走: 'run' is the original meaning of this character 首: still used for head in some contexts 床: still means bed in some contexts

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I think I remember some Cantonese speakers still use 先生 as "teacher"...

I distinctively remember some ABCs (American-Born Chinese) using that term when the teacher told them to translate for me... being born in the Mainland, I never heard it used that way, I just assumed it is supposed to mean teacher by context clues...

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One of my favorites are the chains between Spanish and Portuguese:

  • Garbage in Spanish is Basura
  • But Vassoura in Portuguese means broom
  • But in Spanish broom is said Escova
  • Which in Portuguese means brush

Or

  • Tea cup in Spanish is Taza
  • A Taça in Portuguese is a wine cup
  • But in Spanish wine cup is a Copa
  • And in Portuguese a Copo is a regular glass
  • But in Spanish regular glasses are called Vaso
  • Which in Portuguese means vase.

Or

  • Cutlery in Portuguese is Talher
  • But Taller in Spanish is a workshop
  • Which in Portuguese is Oficina
  • Which in Spanish means office
  • But in Portuguese you say Escritorio
  • Which in Spanish means desk

Or a short one:

  • Your last name in Portuguese is your Sobrenome
  • But in Spanish Sobrenombre is your nickname
  • While in Portuguese nickname is Apelido
  • But in Spanish Apellido means last name

Another one I like is Vamos a chatear 1 rato which in Spanish means "let's chat for a little while" but in Portuguese means "let's bother a mouse".

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Lee
retrolemmy.com

If I understand your question correctly, between English and Italian is "camera". In Italian it means "room", not a device for photographs.

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Nibodhikareply
lemmy.world

Sure, but "camera" doesn't really mean room, it means chamber, which is a small enclosed space, and if you grab a box it is a camera by definition (just a very small one). And if you close every place where light can get into a small chamber you get a "camera obscura" which just means a dark chamber. And if you poke a hole on a camera obscura you will see an image of the outside being projected on the opposite wall. This was a very common trick in pre-industrialization, and became known as Camera Obscura, from then someone had the idea to put photosensitive material, also known as photographic, on the opposite wall and created the first photographic chamber, or "photographic camera", which eventually was abbreviated to camera.

So yeah, they mean different things, but not really.

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Thanks for the background. I think I've heard "camera obscura" before and it didn't occur to me that "camera" is the shortened form or that it may be related.

I'm probably only B1 in Italian. I am familiar with camera used like "camera da letto". Granted my vocabulary isn't huge and I don't know subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) differences in word meanings. I'm going to look in to this distinction with stanza. Perhaps this interaction will make me remember it better. Thanks!

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"Rapaz" = Guy, as in a young man, in Galician / Bird of prey in Spanish.

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To add a funny one:

WordEnglish DefinitionJamaican Definition
Beer canMetal container for boozeDelicious, cured pork product

(Hint for Americans: the joke makes more sense if you pronounce it with a British accent)

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lemmy.world

Is it appropriate to point out that words are spelled certain ways and that spelt is a plant product?

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Spelt is also correct. Its the same as Learn -> Learnt, Burn -> Burnt, Dream -> Dreamt, Build -> Built, Keep -> Kept or Feel -> Felt. I'm assuming you're a North American? It's been replaced by spelled in American English

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‘Angina’ in Latin means tonsillitis, i.e. throat inflammation. It was borrowed in this meaning into Slavic and some Romance languages. Somehow English missed the note that ‘angina’ already means a particular disease, and borrowed the other sense of the word: ‘choking, suffocation’, and uses it mostly for angina pectoris, i.e. crushing chest pain caused by myocardial ischemia.

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