Trump lashes out at UK and France, telling allies 'the U.S.A. won't be there to help you anymore'
President Donald Trump has warned the U.K. and France that the “U.S.A. won’t be there to help you anymore,” as he vented his frustration over the close allies’ refusal to join military action against Iran.
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I thought America had the greatest army in the world and didn't want out help anyway
When has America actually helped anyone since WW2? Korea? Kuwait? Everything else was dubious, at best; often crimes against humanity levels of imperialism, corruption, and war crimes.
Most of the cold war was so tense and dangerous because they considered everything other than capitalism — regardless of any populations democratic will and self-determination — an existential threat that warrants warfare and mass murder.
I think the cold war was less about ideology about economic systems and more about alignment with the Soviet Union.
There was plenty of eurocommunism and social democracy in Europe that wasn't commented on by the US. Relations with the PRC were normalized in the 1970s after the 1961 sino-soviet split.
Technically we were trying to help out France with the Vietnam war
Also, from what he's said previously, apparently we already won the war?
Pete's Warriors just need a little bit of help. Warriors ask for help don't they?
Wow, grape army.
Yeah and the war is already over but they need help with the current main objective of the war opening the straits to pedophile run countries that was open before the war started if I'm tracking things right
The fool doesn't understand that any "joint military action" will trigger WW3
Pretty sure that's the intent of whoever is telling Trump what to do.
then THAT "whoever" is a fool. A world war is pretty much the end of the gravy train. They're dumb if they think they will come out on top.
You seem pretty confident in that despite the fact that large scale wars have made the current players in this war rich and powerful in the first place.
Look at the outcomes of WWII. The US and Russia emerge as superpowers. Hell, it's the only reason Israel even exists.
Wars exist because they benefit the ruling class.
This is an understandably common view, but it's not true. The only fundamental change WWII brought to Palestine was weakening the British Empire; Zionists, partially due to British support, were by far the ascendant group in Palestine as early as 1939, so Israel was going to appear as soon as the British left Palestine. Zionist wealth and diplomacy, Arab weakness and division, Western colonial ambitions and British colonial policy made something resembling the current situation inevitable with or without WWII.
Does anyone remember when Zionists bombed a ship full of Jewish refugees in 1940 (SS Patria Disaster) and Palestinians helped save victims from the water and then many were forced out of their homes 8 years later by Zionists?
Why would you leave out why they 'bombed the ship'?
They bombed the ship because the Zionists didn't want them leaving. So they miscalculated the explosives and killed hundreds of Jewish refugees. Because of their stupid religious beliefs.
if you ask me to gamble on starting of a nuclear war vs. it not happening.. I wouldn't risk it.
I did look at the outcomes. It was quite a different set of circumstances.
Wars exist to benefit the ruling class. But if all of the ruling class dies it's fucking stupid.
Not if the hyper rich all go hide in their bunkers and underground cities
The US and Russia emerged as superpowers because 99% of the fighting wasn't on their land. They didn't have to rebuild.
You are correct about the US, but including Russia makes you sound like a moron.
Why? Because you think there's enough difference between the USSR and Russia to differentiate between them? The only major difference is that half the continent is no longer under Russian rule. Russia is USSR light. Same shit different day, regardless of what they want to claim about communism/capitalism/oligarchs/etc. It's the rich fucks running everything and killing or "disappearing" anyone critical of the regime.
So what I am hearing if they you don't care that your statement is factually incorrect. Neat.
You need to understand that there is a real faction within the already heinous Nationalist Christians that are even more truly batshit insane than their already crazy baseline, who are genuinely doing their level best to bring about the biblical end times - which, of course just means a nuclear holocaust for everyone. This is not hyperbole. There are people who are actually pushing for that outcome who are part of our regime right now.
I would love to see the day their faces realize they are going to jail as the handcuffs click
I want to believe
Speak for yourself. I refuse to advocate for any kind of war. Especially one full of ego and pettiness.
This is a joke. This is the context. I'm mocking the idea that Miller/Hegseth is looking at ww2 and saying "but we can do it"
They want the world to end, so Jesus will come.
That's utterly delusional. And it's a shame on sane people like me who allowed such morons to change the destiny of the world.
The moment anyone else moves to assist he will simply bail out and walk away. He was actually dumb enough to say that out loud too. It would be strategically stupid and politically suicidal for anyone else to get involved.
Okay, great, let us know if you need a hand dismantling U.S. bases in Europe
Or like in Afghanistan, just leave everything behind and gtfo.
Draft dodging pedophile says what?
They never were. We were there for them though. There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all": the US after 9/11. And the rest came to their aid.
Really? Let's check that:
You check it with a Wikipedia source. Not the most trustworthy of sources.
Here's another source.
The fact remains article 5 was used after the terrorist attack on the US and NATO members responded. It has been the only time article 5 was used, and it was in response to an attack on the USA. Just like NATO article 5 states, the US it's allies came to help. Not just a tiny operation, but years and years of deployment in Afghanistan. I myself took part in operation Active Endeavour for which I earned 2 medals.
So Trump his argument that NATO won't help the US while the US always helped NATO, is bullshit.
Most NATO countries even helped when the US attacked Iraq without proper cause. There are also NATO countries helping the US in counter drugs operations around the Carribean, even outside jurisdictional zones of overseas territories.
The US has always been a war monger, with economy thriving around that. Since the second World War the US has been the agressor, the bully, not the protector it claims to be.
Did your military brain forget that Wikipedia is not a primary or even a secondary source, but they cite those?
Ever heard of RAND Corporation? Well their ‘The Counterterror Coalitions: Cooperation with Europe, NATO, and the European Union’ says:
U.S. officials soon responded that they would welcome an invocation of Article 5, even though they later stressed that they had not officially asked NATO to do so.
How about NATO Defense College, whatever that is?
the White House had approved the invocation of Article 5, nothing more
Meaning approved, but didn't invoke themselves.
My point is that NATO countries came to aid as required by NATO article 5 after the attacks on the US on 9/11, which has been the only time NATO article 5 was used. While Trump claims NATO countries never helped the US.
What is your point exactly?
So far you've come with loads of text proving my point, what are you trying to achieve here?
Are you aware anyone can edit Wikipedia? I used to work in Intel, you don't have to tell me how sources work. I can tell you Wikipedia is forbidden to be used in Intel.
Here's an article on Wikipedia and it's flaws.
So you claim article 5 wasn't used when the US was attacked in 2001? Again, what are you trying to prove here?
Question: did NATO countries came to aid when the US was attacked on 9/11 2001, in compliance with NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all"? Or did NATO countries never helped the US, like Trump claims?
Another question: do you have to be so rude?
Amazing how you weasel unabashedly out of what you yourself have said before.
Question: “There's only one NATO country who used NATO article 5 "an attack against one is an attack against all"” — which country is that? Can you answer that without dodging your own phrasing?
Man, chill out and learn to have a conversation. Insults were absolutely uncalled for. If there's a misunderstanding in the wording of things you should try to solve it in order to carry on a conversation online.
Enjoy the sunny day!
The word "allies" means people who work together for a common goal. When Trump made up his own goals (e.g., tariffs, wars), he got rid of those. So there's nothing to ally around.
Oh no! Anyways…..
Trump speed running making the US irrelevant again.
I thought he didn't need help? Never shuts up about how much he's winning.
The only country in NATO to invoke the defence retaliation clause in 60 years is the US, following SEP 11.
They never were. For decades the US has only been in NATO for it's own enrichment and it's own defence. The ballistic early warning radar that the US have in the UK aren't of any use to us, flight times from Russia are so short that we'd not be able to react. But they do give the US a significant amount of time to be warned of inbound nukes and to do something about it for them.
At least we have time to react when Trump sends the nukes. :)
I find it helpful to picture Zoidberg whenever Trump opens his mouth.
We don't need your help, we are satisfied that YOU DO NOT BREAK THE FUCKING PLANET AND THE ENTIRE INTERNATIONAL SYSTEM
as his russian and israeli handlers commanded.
Why don't they just ask their best buddy Israel to step up their game?
Or glaze Putin some more?
The problem, you vainglorious asshole, is that you wouldn't have been anyway and everyone has realized that. And now that you've pissed away all of America's good will you have no leverage.
Was the US there to help them before?
Don't let fact stand in the way of a good rant from a pudding brained imbecile.
kthxbye, asshole.
When was it ever? Since WWII, what has the US done for Europe?
Gave us lots of money.
Really?
The Marshall plan was a good deal for many of us here way back.
It was good optics indeed. It was also 13 billion over 3 years divided by 17 countries.
Not zero, for sure. But far cry from "lots"
GDP growth of the European Union past year was about 1.5%. I wouldn't say a 3% of extra "free" money is a negligible amount.
Indeed, the US did not bring trains there where only cows were being bred by farmers, but the influence of the Marshall plan was big in the countries most affected by it. Regardless of what the actual aims and intentions of the plan were.
Depends on the area 3% of GDP can do a lot of good, of course (or a lot of nothing I suppose). Yet, it's by definition isn't "a lot".
UK should ground all US assets at its air force bases, and tell US "As soon as you cease illegal attack operations, we with rest of world, will return SoH back to normal." Thank you for your attention on this matter.
The world needs to cut the US out entirely for the foreseeable future.
What a fucking child. Your president, america!
We've replaced realpolitik with tantrums.
Mofo should go pound sand. What an ass.
Putin is all too happy seeing this happening.
The usa will be there to help in the future, once trump is dead and gone, but only if there is anything left of it after trump and his cronies suck it dry.
The problem is the views that got Trump elected will still be there in the country for the foreseeable future. So ultimately the USA is not a reliable member of NATO at any point since Trump was first elected. The USA is no longer a member they just haven't changed the treaties yet. That won't be going back at any point in the lifetime of anyone who lived through the Trump era.
Democrats will be there to serve Israel once Trump is gone.
The way Netanjahu is speed running things, makes it seem that he may not be counting 100% on that.
it would be good to see him get impressed or politically neutered or both or other things
I'm not convinced help would have been forthcoming had it been required, so ummm, ok I guess. Whatever.
This guy is like a cartoon villain.
Is the US not there or is Trump not there? He’s pretty old and not that healthy. Sooner or later someone more pragmatic will be in the chair.
The president still has to be american. So how much better can it really get?
I think we've passed the power and control issues. We've long since left ideologies behind. What is unfolding now is a choice between good and evil (or law versus lawlessness).
We will remember
Oh no ! Anyway.
TACO
Promise? Because every thing you touch, turns to shit.
why you helping yourself? why you helping yourself?
He's been attacking the UK verbally almost constantly to the point if we did get involved I'd actually prefer it if we took Irans side in the war. I personally think we should be cutting ties with the US completely until at least Putins little puppet is in prison.
Yeah we will. Just the Cheeto won’t
I mean that's what he wanted all along, so...