If your laptop has USB-C it most likely already has DP out.
Your TV? message the manufacturer. tell your friends to message the manufacturer. Demand DisplayPort on TVs. Be the change you want to see in the world.
If your laptop has USB-C it most likely already has DP out.
For some reason I always miss this. I checked in software and at least arandr says I have 4 DP Outs. Presumably 2 per USB-C port? I don't know how this actually works.
This is the logic of most ports. It's more expensive to replace the thing the cable is being plugged into than the cable. So you want the cable to fail from force first and leave the hardware undamaged.
Agreed. What mad man didn't at least think "I'll screw them in just a bit so it doesn't fall out" and then just continue screwing it in all the way because of course you might as well finish.
Only time I didn't screw it in was when I was using a monitor temporarily or something. Something I knew I'd just unplug later that day.
Did people really just plug in VGA to their computer and then leave in unscrewed for months at a time? That shit would fall out if I bumped into my desk too hard.
As someone who worked IT help desk in the mid/late aughts: fuck VGA and DVI. Let them stay dead. If I had a nickel for every time I snagged one in a desk's rat's nest on every single USB or power cable while trying to route cables, I could build me a top of the line gaming rig with 2026 prices.
The RJ plugs are my least favourite. Still snags but the plastic bit that snags is feeble enough to break off easily, and then the plug doesn't have anything holding it in to the port. And those covers usually make it harder to fit it through holes intended for ethernet cables as well as make it harder to unclip it from the port.
What about the slightly larger bonuses that quarter for the executives who had the outside-the-box and paradigm-shifting bright idea to eliminate the V&V department? HUH?
There's probably a dusty old Ferrari buried in some retired rich guy's 7th garage, and all the world had to suffer for it was a few fucked up networks here and there and losing the respect of IT people all over the place.
To be fair, VGA had 2 big ass screws on each side to hold the connection in. If you tightened them all the way down, the VGA connector was essentially part of the fucking machine at that point.
It was! Back in the day, half the time the screws were tighter in the plug which caused the sockets to come out of the motherboard rather than unscrewing in many times during my desktop days. I fucking hated them!
Yup. When cheap PC clones came around, everyone had that one Com, LPT, or VGA port with the missing screw terminal. Fortunately you need zero of those for the port to actually work.
That's incorrect. DP has had audio (up to 8 channels, 24bit@192kHz) since 1.0, nowadays it supports up to 32 channels and 1536kHz sample rate. Wikipedia has the official standards PDFs linked.
I mean… you have been able to do things like that for a long time. You used to be able to use cable toners to listen to conversations on analog phone lines for instance.
What's kind of amusing is that all those old ports with the screw-in fasteners were moving around anywhere from 3v to 12v at about 45mA on the high-side. Meanwhile, USB-C can move 240W and has nothing to prevent disconnecting while sending enough power to run a power tool.
As someone who has skinned his knuckles a thousand times and more, reaching behind equipment to try and loosen a VGA screw, fuck that. I won't even abide those DisplayPort locking cables with the button. It should just pull out.
It's an issue with some monitors, i need to unplug them and plug back in because of the monitor sleep mode or something doesn't talk right with the DP port in the computer
I have three laptops and two desktops i actively use lmao, they each have their purpose but yeah the dp cable thing is probably the dumbest thing i deal with my computers lol
Is it supposed to work, yes. But I've seen hundreds of computers not work right away and have to reinstall drivers, toggle things on and off swap the cords, then that cord work on another machine right next to it while the other cord worked in its place. Displayport should be great, but I've also seen ~20 of them just split and die at the end as well. Not the most durable, but that's probably manufacturing issues.
That said I currently have to work on a Mac mini at some times, and that uses usb-c to c.... And I have to disconnect the cable and reconnect it after near every reboot to get the monitor to recognize.
That said I currently have to work on a Mac mini at some times, and that uses usb-c to c.... And I have to disconnect the cable and reconnect it after near every reboot to get the monitor to recognize.
Thats a known issue with the Mac Mini when using monitors not made by Apple. I get the same issue when connecting my Monitor using HDMI to my M4 Mac Mini
I have never encounter a DisplayPort device that doesn’t support hot swap. From the early days, all the way to the latest and greatest they all support it.
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Oh, you want to plug your own computer into your own TV using a cable you own?
Isn’t there someone you forgot to ask (and pay)?
The mighty DisplayPort: "what is this peasant behaviour I'm too royal(ty-free) to understand?"
How do I add a DP port to both my TV and my laptop?
If your laptop has USB-C it most likely already has DP out.
Your TV? message the manufacturer. tell your friends to message the manufacturer. Demand DisplayPort on TVs. Be the change you want to see in the world.
For some reason I always miss this. I checked in software and at least arandr says I have 4 DP Outs. Presumably 2 per USB-C port? I don't know how this actually works.
I think past thunderbolt 4 you get 2 displays daisy chained off of one port. I have a thunderbolt 5 port and I run 2 4k monitors off of it
Thanks! I'm gonna try and find a USB-to-DP cat'o'tails I can buy for cheap to see what happens.
Attach a DP to component video adapter to the TV.
While DP ports can output HDMI signal, HDMI ports can't receive DP signal.
Meaning you would buy an adapter that is active, which means it needs to pay HDMI royalties.
Basically, you'd be paying double to the HDMI Forum, to get around their shittiness.
That's kinda... Counterproductive. Don't you think?
That's why I said to use a component video adapter. It's an analog signal that has nothing to do with HDMI.
Oh shoot. Somehow I read that as a video adapter component 🤦♂️
Explain?
The HDMI consortium are shitheads who demand royalties, and all Linux PCs are gimped to not have modern HDMI features because of it.
Isn't the issue with open sourcing their code, and so for example Nvidia closed source drivers support everything?
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This play port is superior and is what is used on most high-end GPUs.
bone apple tea
xD now I can't fix it
Are there many people that care about "high fidelity gaming" and HDMI features Linux can't support - AND trying to play on a standard TV?
A big reason why Linux is popping off as much as it is lately, is because of HTPCs, so yes
Are you sitting 1 foot from the 56' screen? No? Then display port is more than fine.
IDK I've got two 1440p monitors connected via DP. I can't say I've encountered any fidelity issues.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/hdmi-forum-to-amd-no-you-cant-make-an-open-source-hdmi-2-1-driver/
I have a TV with every input including VGA. It is for gaming only at this point.
American tipping culture. Just do your job for a proper wage instead.
That's one of the things I like about Displayport. It locks in but is generally not too hard to remove (depending on your monitor/PC clearance).
The other is that it doesn't involve paying ransom to the HDMI consortium...
The port is great.
Device manufacturers putting said port deep in the bowels of Erebus where no mortal man could hope to actuate the locking mechanism is less great.
So what the fuck is wrong with mine? If I sneeze I have to take it out and Nintendo it
You're sneezing pretty hard out there buck-o
i am but also the cable sucked lemon balls. i got old man sneezeosis
Probably a low quality cable
Mine's been pretty stable but I also don't screw with my cables much once everything is in place
Who screwed in vga carefully every time? Without the screws vga was worse.
You can get HDMI with a lock tab . I hate that too. Nothing worse than trying to reach behind a wall mount to squeeze the lock tab.
I did. Because something in me just won’t let something not be secured properly if a mechanism for it exists.
Sometimes you want it to disconnect instead of pull everything down with it if something gets caught on a wire.
Like a cat
I hear you, I just can’t do it. Though all the slack is zip-tied away, albeit messily.
Oh no. Run those cables sloppy free like a 90s cyberpunk rat's nest.
Exactly how god intended
Extra points for the hair dust bunnies on top of the power strip
The curse of the furry babies, cat hair everywhere lmao
This is the logic of most ports. It's more expensive to replace the thing the cable is being plugged into than the cable. So you want the cable to fail from force first and leave the hardware undamaged.
Agreed. What mad man didn't at least think "I'll screw them in just a bit so it doesn't fall out" and then just continue screwing it in all the way because of course you might as well finish.
Only time I didn't screw it in was when I was using a monitor temporarily or something. Something I knew I'd just unplug later that day.
Did people really just plug in VGA to their computer and then leave in unscrewed for months at a time? That shit would fall out if I bumped into my desk too hard.
Nah, it is all about safety.
If you triple over a stretched HDMI cable it will safely disconnect.
If you triple over a stretched VGA cable... Well, may God save you and your monitor.
MY BODY IS A MACHINE THAT TURNS ELECTRICAL SIGNALS INTO COLORED PIXELS. YOU HAVE NO POWER OVER ME, MORTAL. DON'T TREAD ON ME.
Like 3 plugs in the same port? How do you even accomplish that?
Hah this guy doesn't know how to use the three plugs
Well you see when 3 men love a woman very much....
I'm listening. This sounds like a story my grammy used to tell me.
skill issue
You're right, having problems with the HDMI staying in IS a skill issue.
usually I dont have any cables lying around to trip over too.
Fun fact: The connector is called a DE-15, VGA is just the protocol using it in this application.
Not anymore it isn't
As someone who worked IT help desk in the mid/late aughts: fuck VGA and DVI. Let them stay dead. If I had a nickel for every time I snagged one in a desk's rat's nest on every single USB or power cable while trying to route cables, I could build me a top of the line gaming rig with 2026 prices.
The RJ plugs are my least favourite. Still snags but the plastic bit that snags is feeble enough to break off easily, and then the plug doesn't have anything holding it in to the port. And those covers usually make it harder to fit it through holes intended for ethernet cables as well as make it harder to unclip it from the port.
Like the Cisco switch that needed to be recalled due to the placement of it's reset button.
There's really no excuse for that one
What about the slightly larger bonuses that quarter for the executives who had the outside-the-box and paradigm-shifting bright idea to eliminate the V&V department? HUH?
There's probably a dusty old Ferrari buried in some retired rich guy's 7th garage, and all the world had to suffer for it was a few fucked up networks here and there and losing the respect of IT people all over the place.
Which model did this?
The 3650 and 3850 Series
For that reason VGAs could make really good grappling hooks. 😂
To be fair, VGA had 2 big ass screws on each side to hold the connection in. If you tightened them all the way down, the VGA connector was essentially part of the fucking machine at that point.
I remember wondering as a kid why those plugs needed to be screwed in like that. It seemed ridiculously overengineered.
The pixels come out otherwise.
It was! Back in the day, half the time the screws were tighter in the plug which caused the sockets to come out of the motherboard rather than unscrewing in many times during my desktop days. I fucking hated them!
Could at least straighten a bent pin, though...
Yup. When cheap PC clones came around, everyone had that one Com, LPT, or VGA port with the missing screw terminal. Fortunately you need zero of those for the port to actually work.
I don’t know why I kept tightening them. I never found myself in a situation where the connector was falling out if they were left unscrewed.
You ...monster!
No hotplugging back then. If you pulled out the plug, gotta reboot. Idk if anything worse could happen, like damage to the hardware.
The primary design goal of VGA was to display video. The primary design goal of HDMI was to prevent the display of video.
displayport is the modern successor to vga.
I wish DisplayPort would become the standard already. It's superior in every way.
HDMI is the microUSB of the video world and I wish it would die already in lieu of DP and USB-C/ThunderBolt.
Not every way, it doesn't do audio. That's really the only downside.
That's incorrect. DP has had audio (up to 8 channels, 24bit@192kHz) since 1.0, nowadays it supports up to 32 channels and 1536kHz sample rate. Wikipedia has the official standards PDFs linked.
I stand corrected
HMDI can also do ethernet, which is very convenient. If you have two devices that support it.
And pass remote control inputs
Why not USB C? It can carry a DP signal and (obviously) do all the USB stuff you'd ever need too.
And to monetize the display of video. Licensing of that port's supporting technology is holding everyone back.
Every time I notice I cannot use my full refresh rate over the HDMI on my 7900xtx in Linux because of licencing issues, I get rationally pissed off.
If HDMI falls off the shelf, it unplugs...
Vga falls off the shelf...
It could break your whole board on the display, the system, or both.
A static hang might "work" but that's different than a drop.
If a standard doesn't make sense, it's usually because someone doesn't understand it.
Counterpoint: memes are funny.
Then don't use the screws.
They're broken anyway
It's obviously a joke?
Kegels.
(sorry) (not sorry?)
HDMI also has a leaky hack
https://hackaday.com/2023/03/07/pulling-data-from-hdmi-rf-leakage/
I mean… you have been able to do things like that for a long time. You used to be able to use cable toners to listen to conversations on analog phone lines for instance.
Hell, toner and probe is still a common diagnostic tool for telecom engineers.
I don't think hanging a CPU with a cable like that is a good thing.
...but where am I supposed to find another cart in this 50 million dollar hospital?
How else is data pressure supposed to flow?
Fuck HDMI. All my homies use Displayport!
"Not all hdmi"
They exist but I'm not sure it's standardized. Every time I've specced one, it was the manufacturer cable "for" that device. Same with USB and DP.
I've seen thousands of devices and those are the only ones I've seen with screws
Man, I miss those. Talk about enshittification lol
hold on, I have something for this
FOUND IT
We need to make screws on ports great again.
What's kind of amusing is that all those old ports with the screw-in fasteners were moving around anywhere from 3v to 12v at about 45mA on the high-side. Meanwhile, USB-C can move 240W and has nothing to prevent disconnecting while sending enough power to run a power tool.
It's even allowed to be randomly unplugged while delivering maximum power
Those two screws on the VGA block are tough
I had a mobo one time that just gave up and the stand offs just screwed off with the cable. Shrug
it's the displayport that's giving me trouble, not the hdmi.
This isn't all that much cus of the slot and more to do with that most vga was set up with mounting screws which sadly fell out of favor with hdmi
Quite happy not having to screw it out and in.
DP is already quite hard to press some of the times in narrow areas.
As someone who has skinned his knuckles a thousand times and more, reaching behind equipment to try and loosen a VGA screw, fuck that. I won't even abide those DisplayPort locking cables with the button. It should just pull out.
Look at that thing hang, man it's big.
Add the Displayport! Which doesn't even allow hot-swapping, I keep needing to turn my computer off...
Sounds like an issue on your end, not on DP's end. You can 100% just plug in a DP cable into a powered-on computer and have it work instantly.
It's an issue with some monitors, i need to unplug them and plug back in because of the monitor sleep mode or something doesn't talk right with the DP port in the computer
With me being a laptop user, the sense of pride and satisfaction I got after reading that will coast me through the whole day.
I have three laptops and two desktops i actively use lmao, they each have their purpose but yeah the dp cable thing is probably the dumbest thing i deal with my computers lol
Is it supposed to work, yes. But I've seen hundreds of computers not work right away and have to reinstall drivers, toggle things on and off swap the cords, then that cord work on another machine right next to it while the other cord worked in its place. Displayport should be great, but I've also seen ~20 of them just split and die at the end as well. Not the most durable, but that's probably manufacturing issues.
That said I currently have to work on a Mac mini at some times, and that uses usb-c to c.... And I have to disconnect the cable and reconnect it after near every reboot to get the monitor to recognize.
Thats a known issue with the Mac Mini when using monitors not made by Apple. I get the same issue when connecting my Monitor using HDMI to my M4 Mac Mini
I have never encounter a DisplayPort device that doesn’t support hot swap. From the early days, all the way to the latest and greatest they all support it.
I’ve never had this issue, could be a driver thing, but it’s not common.