How is "wait 24 hours before installing an app" Android less corporate/authoritarian than Windows? Plus most Android devices are stuck running Android whereas you can always replace Windows with Linux
AOSP, the operating system that nobody actually installs on anything. It’s about as niche as could possibly be, considering the only reason you’d install it is to work on the code.
For aesthetic reasons the chart only allows one OS per square, and any other arrangement would put Windows dangerously low. At least Android is mostly open-source.
Android is not mostly open source. Have you seen how incredibly limited AOSP is? It’s basically useless without all of the closed source parts Google puts on top.
AOSP hasn’t been a complete operating system in a long time, so don’t tell me Android is open source. It’s open source in the same way iOS is, the way that doesn’t matter.
To be fair though, you can build a more open android distribution like Graphene or Lineage, which you can't do with iOS. Still an awful platform though
I am a person who likes the snap package over some flatpaks. Mostly because the snap integration is sometimes better. Like handling copy/paste or notification bubbles.
No one significant; just security people, system architects, build/release people and support people, because of all the best-practice it breaks. Who cares about those chumps?!?
And if anything, Apple has been opening up for less corporatist approaches (okay, they're legally forced, but at least they're playing ball instead of forceful resistance).
at least they're playing ball instead of forceful resistance
Uh what the fuck? In every case they've gotten better at all a law has absolutely been required to force them. But typically they don't get better because typically with every new law they comply as maliciously as humanly possible.
Yes, laws were required to make Apple do the logical thing. BUT the point is that instead of fighting those laws, Apple is actually implementing the required changes.
Meanwhile Google didn't just remove the "don't be evil" slogan, they're actively enshittifying Android year on year. Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
But malicious compliance is absolutely fighting the laws. Plenty of legal ways to be shitty. Turns out I understood you perfectly because you've just stated the exact point again which I specifically was disagreeing with. That apple is not fighting the laws. Even if we ignore the malicious compliance you can be sure they've spend hundreds of billions over the years trying to stop laws or enforcement of laws that protect apple customers from apple. (No one is saying Google isn't doing all of this too btw)
Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
I gotta say you don't seem the most informed on this topic. Are you not aware that nearly every issue people have with Google, outside of ad/privacy concerns, is something they copied from apple? Removal of ports, reducing repairability, etc. Also right now Google is effectively looking to kill third party app stores. Which apple did from the start. In fact when the EU passed a law requiring apple to allow third party app stores, they complied maliciously as fuck. They made it so expensive to do so that no developer could publish an app outside the apple store without literally losing money even if the app was free, they still owe a steep fee, every year iirc.
Android below red hat in corporate/authoritarian and equal to Ubuntu 😂 the OS that is trying to take away installing apps not from them and trying to fully track app developers while not giving a damn about malware that effects the user because it doesn't effect their bottom line?
I think it's overappreciated. There are alternatives that better fit the needs of most users, support more phone models and are developed by people more responsive to their users' needs that Graphene.
GrapheneOS currently supports only Google Pixel devices because they are the only Android smartphones that meet all of its strict security requirements: an unlockable bootloader, proper verified boot implementation, state of the art security chip, and long-term, reliable security updates. Most other manufacturers either don’t provide these features or disable critical security functions when an alternative OS is installed.
But what I find particularly impressive is how efficiently the team operates: with likely fewer than 15 full-time developers, they consistently roll out updates within days, sometimes even ahead of Google’s official Android releases. I think the system is very balanced, a lot of the hardening stuff works in the background without really breaking anything. I had some troubles with very specific apps but most of the time it just works.
That said, their communication style and transparency can sometimes come across as aggressive or uncompromising. Pioneers in FOSS projects often prioritize progress and principle over diplomacy, and GrapheneOS is no exception.
I know all this. 99% of users are using less secure ROMs so clearly top-notch security is not a must have for most people. Saying that someone needs Graphene OS because of security while using other ROMs makes no sense.
Other ROMs are as good or better for privacy, come pre-installled on many devices including Fairphone and have features GrapheneOS devs refuse to add simply because they know better what users should use (like pattern unlock). GrapheneOS is great, I'm using it myself, but a lot of people behave like the only choice is between stock Android or GrapheneOS on a Pixel device while there are many other great options.
Can't ague with that. You're not wrong. I just liked to express my joy and a shout out to that incredible dev team behind GrapheneOS. That does not mean other roms are shit. Its just every other rom I tried over the years stoppt working at some point or the project silently died.
Putting Kali Linux, a Distro specifically for cybersecurity and hackers, anywhere near the "corporate" axis, could be considered a war crime in some places.
Saying Redhat is based on Fedora just seems wrong. I know there was discussion about this when the simpler version was posted and I think I understand that, today, RHEL is downstream of Fedora. But Redhat existed before Fedora so it still feels wrong to say Fedora is based on Redhat.
"Fedora Core 1 was the first version of Fedora and was released on November 6, 2003.[15] It was codenamed Yarrow. Fedora Core 1 was based on Red Hat Linux 9."
And putting RHEL anywhere but top line is sacrilege. Its actually, literally, specifically an IBM-purchased company's product. The Linux part is free, but there's corporate "special sauce" thrown in that's closed source.
apple upper left makes sense, since it's only actually popular in the US.
windows upper right makes sense, since it's the most used desktop OS.
BSD lower left makes sense, since it's extremely rare for anyone to use it.
linux lower right... makes sense, but only if you consider servers. linux desktop usage would be closer to lower middle, or, depending on the distro, closer to the middle in general
FreeBSD on the "Indy" side? I uh... Have to disagree. There's routers that ship with FreeBSD SPECIFICALLY because their license has no obligation to share sourcecode.
And putting RHEL anything but top line makes the whole thing unserious. A PRODUCT YOU BUY to even be able to download it is somehow not 100% corpo to you? Its named after the IBM-owned company that releases it. It is not 100% open source, it is Linux with proprietary "secret sauce" that's mostly for Servers - a niche usecase.
Alma is "built for enterprise" but somehow Indy? Now I know you're just messing with us. This cannot be serious.
Mint. Really. It basically just works. A decrapified Ubuntu.
I'm on CachyOS right now, and love it. I call it "Script Kiddie Arch". Really nice, but it took some tweaking for my particular setup, no driver stuff, rather my use case.
Since it may require mild terminal stuff, and using the AUR, I'd say it's an intermediate/advance user distro, although it may just work for you.
Only asterisk I'd add to that is that if your plan is to do any more gaming than just basic stuff I'd go straight to CachyOS, or maybe Fedora KDE, openSUSE Tumbleweed or anything similar.
Mint is great for basic usage, but right now that kinda also locks you into X11. So if you plan to use multiple monitor at different framerates, VRR, HDR or generally better frame-pacing you need Wayland, preferably KDE or Gnome, and Mint just isn't there yet. Emphasis on the -yet- though. Once they've overcome that hurdle it'll probably become THE unconditional beginner distro once again.
I know this is one of my hotter takes, but IMO rolling release vs. stable has no influence on how beginner-friendly a distro is, at least not in a one-size-fits-all manner.
Particularly for gaming, I'd say a rolling release distro is a much better fit because bugs with new games and hardware will be gone much faster than what you'd see in something slower moving.
I use nobara. Which, if you google 'best linux for gaming', its the first thing that pops up. I have no idea if its actually the best, but i havent had any issues so far.
Thanks for the advice! I plan on basically gaming half of the time, so... I'll look into it. And try dual boot just to try everything.
Btw, I have all my files on an SSD, together with window 11. Hope it will be possible to keep my files in the process 🫠
Do it! It's so easy. It's also easy to build it up in your head like it's this big complicated thing. It's not. When I finally did it my first thought was "why didn't I do this sooner?"
The moment one of those Linux users see that I said Ubuntu they’re going to froth at the mouth and lose their entire minds. It’s like their identity is tied to only using the most obscure, unpopular nonsense.
It’s easy enough - and the Snap store (app) is good enough for what you’d need. Its not the best in some situations, but if you’re not doing anything crazy and you just want to search web or whatever without all the surveillance and copilot slop being forced onto you - it’s a good start.
It’s a learning curve, but it’s not bad. I use Libre Office instead of MS Office now. Shortcuts and interface still fucks with me after growing up with MS Office products.
I dual boot Linux and windows on both my machines. When I game - I boot up windows. When I do anything else, I boot up Linux.
Though Entrop is right that it’s mostly just a power-user worry.
Not entirely. I've had a few snaps become useless when it comes down to providing configuration data. How an individual snap integrates into the filesystem depends on the author/packaging, and quality varies. Ultimately, it's a PITA since the mapped filesystem paths are not in the stock/standard locations the product docs say they are. I chalk this up to packaging software that existed pre-Snap, or the original authors did not do the Snap packaging. It'll probably get better as the ecosystem matures, but right now, it's not a great experience unless the Snap-ed package can run as-is.
Gaming is the thing, I have kept my ear to the ground and gaming is much better than it was but it's still a bit to go. I have a streaming laptop I no longer use, I may put Ubuntu or something on there. Test it out. I have some familiarity with Linux but my understanding the user experience has gotten a lot better since 10+ years ago.
Pick one. Use it for a while. Try a different one.
If you just want something that works out of the box and are very new to Linux, I’d grudgingly recommend Ubuntu, and highly recommend Debian-based mint.
(Ubuntu is easier to get started but I’m not a fan for a few reasons.)
If you’re familiar with Linux or don’t mind jumping into a learning curve, Endeavor OS is my current driver, and I’m liking it.
Just pick one, burn the ISO to a USB stick and run a live version. When your done checking it out, shut down, unplug the USB stick, and boot back into windows. You can do this with any distro you are curious about, and once you find one you feel comfortable with you can install it.
My mom hates windows but is also uncomfortable with moving to a new OS, so this is what I did for her. She settled on Mint and now I'm taking an old laptop my dad gave me and I'm going to install Mint on that so she can use it full time but still have her windows machine for the time being. Once she's comfortable with Mint I'll move her over completely with the current windows computer since it's far more up to date and powerful.
There's an argument that it would be between Fedora and Ubuntu, since being immutable makes it more locked down and you are beholden to the devs to push out important updates like drivers. Then again it is basicallt customized Fedora Atomic so if we're counting "Fedora" as an average of all Fedora versions, maybe not
I see this misconception all the time about Fedora Atomic distros. You can actually install any normal package available through the included repos, or add your own repo (rpm-ostree install $pkg). DNF can be used to add a repo from a URL and then you just use rpm-ostree install $pkg . It is really that simple.
The reason you aren't supposed to is that it makes the system diverge from the default image by overlaying the package. Still though, Fedora Atomic is just Fedora but container images for updates.
Interesting, are their really no other major differences than the container images? Have you ran into any additional hurdles with the atomic experience? You may have convinced me to try Bazzite or SecureBlue.
I personally adhere to the idea of avoiding installing too many overlayed packages. Most i have installed in like five (with dependencies) at once. If you are comfortable with still using mostly Flatpaks and (only) a few overlayed packages, then Atomic may still be for you.
just a heads up for people, the guy, GE, lives in Colorado. He is prepared to follow whatever fedora chooses to do in response to age verification laws. I don't blame him, but since I have been using Nobara for years, I will switch to something else if age verification comes to Nobara.
It is technically fully community driven though. And if you moved it up you'd need more squares. No way in hell is it on the same level of corporate as Ubuntu, or especially Android.
I would not really expect it at the top. It may fit the definition of authoritarian in some ways but I almost certainly wouldn't expect it to be corporate.
i think the lower left square should probably be extended further. where's serenity? where's 9front? where's oberon?
come to think of it, you could probably put metas and microsofts internal linux distros in the top left. can't remember what they're called now, but they're niche and corpo as hell.
Update: I now have nobara. Kept windows in case I dont like it on the long term or something goes wrong.
Nobara looked kinda more "noob oriented" than cachy.
Had some issue to launch games that were previously installed, did some random things and it worked.
How is "wait 24 hours before installing an app" Android less corporate/authoritarian than Windows? Plus most Android devices are stuck running Android whereas you can always replace Windows with Linux
I think they meant the AOSP but technically most people also call that Android
AOSP, the operating system that nobody actually installs on anything. It’s about as niche as could possibly be, considering the only reason you’d install it is to work on the code.
For aesthetic reasons the chart only allows one OS per square, and any other arrangement would put Windows dangerously low. At least Android is mostly open-source.
There's two squares for windows.
Android is not mostly open source. Have you seen how incredibly limited AOSP is? It’s basically useless without all of the closed source parts Google puts on top.
“Open source unlike iOS”
Lol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XNU
https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/distribution-macOS
AOSP hasn’t been a complete operating system in a long time, so don’t tell me Android is open source. It’s open source in the same way iOS is, the way that doesn’t matter.
To be fair though, you can build a more open android distribution like Graphene or Lineage, which you can't do with iOS. Still an awful platform though
Come back when they have user flash-able, daily drivable forks.
Lol.
“Some people don’t like snap”. I had the suspicion is was most people don’t like snap.
I'm yet to find a person who likes Snap, actually. Even if you prefer that way of installation, people just go to Flatpak.
I am a person who likes the snap package over some flatpaks. Mostly because the snap integration is sometimes better. Like handling copy/paste or notification bubbles.
No one significant; just security people, system architects, build/release people and support people, because of all the best-practice it breaks. Who cares about those chumps?!?
*most end users.
Better?
How the fuck did you manage to place Microsoft on a lower tier, Corporate-wise? They took the uber-corporatism that IBM had done and perfected it.
And if anything, Apple has been opening up for less corporatist approaches (okay, they're legally forced, but at least they're playing ball instead of forceful resistance).
Uh what the fuck? In every case they've gotten better at all a law has absolutely been required to force them. But typically they don't get better because typically with every new law they comply as maliciously as humanly possible.
You completely misunderstood what I said.
Yes, laws were required to make Apple do the logical thing. BUT the point is that instead of fighting those laws, Apple is actually implementing the required changes.
Meanwhile Google didn't just remove the "don't be evil" slogan, they're actively enshittifying Android year on year. Is that the example you want Apple to follow?
But malicious compliance is absolutely fighting the laws. Plenty of legal ways to be shitty. Turns out I understood you perfectly because you've just stated the exact point again which I specifically was disagreeing with. That apple is not fighting the laws. Even if we ignore the malicious compliance you can be sure they've spend hundreds of billions over the years trying to stop laws or enforcement of laws that protect apple customers from apple. (No one is saying Google isn't doing all of this too btw)
I gotta say you don't seem the most informed on this topic. Are you not aware that nearly every issue people have with Google, outside of ad/privacy concerns, is something they copied from apple? Removal of ports, reducing repairability, etc. Also right now Google is effectively looking to kill third party app stores. Which apple did from the start. In fact when the EU passed a law requiring apple to allow third party app stores, they complied maliciously as fuck. They made it so expensive to do so that no developer could publish an app outside the apple store without literally losing money even if the app was free, they still owe a steep fee, every year iirc.
Yeah and MacOS is not more locked down than ChromeOS. That shit is useless. At least you can mess with Unix and terminal commands on Macs
Also you can install it in hackintoshes but that’s not an official thing so I don’t fault that point.
This is a much better version than the last one.
Needs TempleOS outside of the box
TempleOS is outside of the box
Isn't that it in the bottom left?
This is absolutely terrible.
No
TempleOS(never mind. It is there... but in the wrong place) no HannaMontanaLinux and you call it a meme? How dare you.TempleOS is at the bottom left, at the margin
Wrong place for it, God's own OS should be maximum authority
Oh yeah. That's right. But wrong place I think, like the other comment mentioned.
Likewise no jolla, considering Android is trying to create a walled garden like apple, and people are discussing alternatives lately
nixos is on the wrong side. literally funded by the United States' war machine.
how does it compare to other distros on the chart?
e.g. i can imagine that many military people us RHEL (which already is on the appropriate place on the chart).
Arch Linux
never happened to me on arch
has happened to me on cachyos tho, with plasma 6.6 (switching back to arch, plasma 6.6 has no issues)
This is the biggest bait ever hahaha.
Android below red hat in corporate/authoritarian and equal to Ubuntu 😂 the OS that is trying to take away installing apps not from them and trying to fully track app developers while not giving a damn about malware that effects the user because it doesn't effect their bottom line?
Well, I guess AOSP vs Googles Android.
I think that GrapheneOS is an amazing underappreciated project and deserves more attention.
I think it's overappreciated. There are alternatives that better fit the needs of most users, support more phone models and are developed by people more responsive to their users' needs that Graphene.
GrapheneOS currently supports only Google Pixel devices because they are the only Android smartphones that meet all of its strict security requirements: an unlockable bootloader, proper verified boot implementation, state of the art security chip, and long-term, reliable security updates. Most other manufacturers either don’t provide these features or disable critical security functions when an alternative OS is installed.
But what I find particularly impressive is how efficiently the team operates: with likely fewer than 15 full-time developers, they consistently roll out updates within days, sometimes even ahead of Google’s official Android releases. I think the system is very balanced, a lot of the hardening stuff works in the background without really breaking anything. I had some troubles with very specific apps but most of the time it just works.
That said, their communication style and transparency can sometimes come across as aggressive or uncompromising. Pioneers in FOSS projects often prioritize progress and principle over diplomacy, and GrapheneOS is no exception.
I know all this. 99% of users are using less secure ROMs so clearly top-notch security is not a must have for most people. Saying that someone needs Graphene OS because of security while using other ROMs makes no sense.
Other ROMs are as good or better for privacy, come pre-installled on many devices including Fairphone and have features GrapheneOS devs refuse to add simply because they know better what users should use (like pattern unlock). GrapheneOS is great, I'm using it myself, but a lot of people behave like the only choice is between stock Android or GrapheneOS on a Pixel device while there are many other great options.
Can't ague with that. You're not wrong. I just liked to express my joy and a shout out to that incredible dev team behind GrapheneOS. That does not mean other roms are shit. Its just every other rom I tried over the years stoppt working at some point or the project silently died.
Putting Kali Linux, a Distro specifically for cybersecurity and hackers, anywhere near the "corporate" axis, could be considered a war crime in some places.
Suggestion for the top-right corner: ImmigrationOS by Palantir.
In the super niche and very corporate corner, you should put Windows Server, because nobody uses Windows fucking Server.
Saying Redhat is based on Fedora just seems wrong. I know there was discussion about this when the simpler version was posted and I think I understand that, today, RHEL is downstream of Fedora. But Redhat existed before Fedora so it still feels wrong to say Fedora is based on Redhat.
"Fedora Core 1 was the first version of Fedora and was released on November 6, 2003.[15] It was codenamed Yarrow. Fedora Core 1 was based on Red Hat Linux 9."
And putting RHEL anywhere but top line is sacrilege. Its actually, literally, specifically an IBM-purchased company's product. The Linux part is free, but there's corporate "special sauce" thrown in that's closed source.
macOS*
I use NixOS btw.
Am I the only one who thinks this doesn't fit for the most of all?
Apple upper left, Windows upper right, BSD down left and Linux down right. End of the story.
My brother or sister
When was the last time you left the house?
See this as a combination. Tell me another independent mainstream OS? There is none, then it must be Linux because it's the nearest possible.
apple upper left makes sense, since it's only actually popular in the US.
windows upper right makes sense, since it's the most used desktop OS.
BSD lower left makes sense, since it's extremely rare for anyone to use it.
linux lower right... makes sense, but only if you consider servers. linux desktop usage would be closer to lower middle, or, depending on the distro, closer to the middle in general
Wasn't there a north korean OS that would perfectly fill the upper left space?
Right there, just outside the graph!
Ah wow. I recognize it now.
FreeBSD on the "Indy" side? I uh... Have to disagree. There's routers that ship with FreeBSD SPECIFICALLY because their license has no obligation to share sourcecode.
And putting RHEL anything but top line makes the whole thing unserious. A PRODUCT YOU BUY to even be able to download it is somehow not 100% corpo to you? Its named after the IBM-owned company that releases it. It is not 100% open source, it is Linux with proprietary "secret sauce" that's mostly for Servers - a niche usecase.
Alma is "built for enterprise" but somehow Indy? Now I know you're just messing with us. This cannot be serious.
Excellent Troll.
For top left I'd like to humbly nominate SCO Unix.
I feel like BSDs being more over in the corpo-lib corner would make more sense just from a licensing perspective
If you're memeing, hard to omit Red Star OS
Isn't that Red Star way over there in the top left corner?
Sorry yes, I meant that separate from the first point
That might be the sign I waited to switch to Linux. Now... let me just search for the coolest noob friendly distro
Mint. Really. It basically just works. A decrapified Ubuntu.
I'm on CachyOS right now, and love it. I call it "Script Kiddie Arch". Really nice, but it took some tweaking for my particular setup, no driver stuff, rather my use case.
Since it may require mild terminal stuff, and using the AUR, I'd say it's an intermediate/advance user distro, although it may just work for you.
Only asterisk I'd add to that is that if your plan is to do any more gaming than just basic stuff I'd go straight to CachyOS, or maybe Fedora KDE, openSUSE Tumbleweed or anything similar.
Mint is great for basic usage, but right now that kinda also locks you into X11. So if you plan to use multiple monitor at different framerates, VRR, HDR or generally better frame-pacing you need Wayland, preferably KDE or Gnome, and Mint just isn't there yet. Emphasis on the -yet- though. Once they've overcome that hurdle it'll probably become THE unconditional beginner distro once again.
A rolling release distro like openSUSE Tumbleweed is not for noobs.
I know this is one of my hotter takes, but IMO rolling release vs. stable has no influence on how beginner-friendly a distro is, at least not in a one-size-fits-all manner.
Particularly for gaming, I'd say a rolling release distro is a much better fit because bugs with new games and hardware will be gone much faster than what you'd see in something slower moving.
Regular use: Mint
Gaming: Nobara, Bazzite
I use nobara. Which, if you google 'best linux for gaming', its the first thing that pops up. I have no idea if its actually the best, but i havent had any issues so far.
mint, pop_os, bazzite, fedora, nobara, mx, cachy, zorin
the coolest of those is cachyos probably
bazzite and cachy are intended for gaming but also sutied to other usage
more in detail:
Thanks for the advice! I plan on basically gaming half of the time, so... I'll look into it. And try dual boot just to try everything. Btw, I have all my files on an SSD, together with window 11. Hope it will be possible to keep my files in the process 🫠
Do it! It's so easy. It's also easy to build it up in your head like it's this big complicated thing. It's not. When I finally did it my first thought was "why didn't I do this sooner?"
I've been happily using mint for years. Do it.
I'll be honest, I hate Windows 11 but the plethora of Linux distros as well as opinions on them gives me serious decision paralysis.
Just get a feel and poke around.
The moment one of those Linux users see that I said Ubuntu they’re going to froth at the mouth and lose their entire minds. It’s like their identity is tied to only using the most obscure, unpopular nonsense.
It’s easy enough - and the Snap store (app) is good enough for what you’d need. Its not the best in some situations, but if you’re not doing anything crazy and you just want to search web or whatever without all the surveillance and copilot slop being forced onto you - it’s a good start.
It’s a learning curve, but it’s not bad. I use Libre Office instead of MS Office now. Shortcuts and interface still fucks with me after growing up with MS Office products.
I dual boot Linux and windows on both my machines. When I game - I boot up windows. When I do anything else, I boot up Linux.
Seconded. Everyone shits on Ubuntu, but it's solid, well-supported, and is low-friction both for install and daily use.
It also has decent Nvidia support and Steam runs well on it, so (most) mainstream gaming is a real possibility here.
Ubuntu has also gotten a lot better and promising in recent years, too.
Except Snap shenanigans. Snap always shenanigans. The Snap pushing is eternal… Though Entrop is right that it’s mostly just a power-user worry.
Not entirely. I've had a few snaps become useless when it comes down to providing configuration data. How an individual snap integrates into the filesystem depends on the author/packaging, and quality varies. Ultimately, it's a PITA since the mapped filesystem paths are not in the stock/standard locations the product docs say they are. I chalk this up to packaging software that existed pre-Snap, or the original authors did not do the Snap packaging. It'll probably get better as the ecosystem matures, but right now, it's not a great experience unless the Snap-ed package can run as-is.
Gaming is the thing, I have kept my ear to the ground and gaming is much better than it was but it's still a bit to go. I have a streaming laptop I no longer use, I may put Ubuntu or something on there. Test it out. I have some familiarity with Linux but my understanding the user experience has gotten a lot better since 10+ years ago.
Pick one. Use it for a while. Try a different one.
If you just want something that works out of the box and are very new to Linux, I’d grudgingly recommend Ubuntu, and highly recommend Debian-based mint.
(Ubuntu is easier to get started but I’m not a fan for a few reasons.)
If you’re familiar with Linux or don’t mind jumping into a learning curve, Endeavor OS is my current driver, and I’m liking it.
Just pick one, burn the ISO to a USB stick and run a live version. When your done checking it out, shut down, unplug the USB stick, and boot back into windows. You can do this with any distro you are curious about, and once you find one you feel comfortable with you can install it.
My mom hates windows but is also uncomfortable with moving to a new OS, so this is what I did for her. She settled on Mint and now I'm taking an old laptop my dad gave me and I'm going to install Mint on that so she can use it full time but still have her windows machine for the time being. Once she's comfortable with Mint I'll move her over completely with the current windows computer since it's far more up to date and powerful.
Debian as more mainstream than Arch?
Top choice for Linux server in many cases
All but my work computer (they don't let me) run some version of debian.
Where is TempleOS?
Down left
Lmao didn't even see it. Fitting location
Where does Bazzite fit into this? (Sincerely, someone who wants to switch to either Bazzite or CachyOS and can't decide between them)
wedged in between cachy and fedora I would say
There's an argument that it would be between Fedora and Ubuntu, since being immutable makes it more locked down and you are beholden to the devs to push out important updates like drivers. Then again it is basicallt customized Fedora Atomic so if we're counting "Fedora" as an average of all Fedora versions, maybe not
I see this misconception all the time about Fedora Atomic distros. You can actually install any normal package available through the included repos, or add your own repo (
rpm-ostree install $pkg). DNF can be used to add a repo from a URL and then you just userpm-ostree install $pkg. It is really that simple.The reason you aren't supposed to is that it makes the system diverge from the default image by overlaying the package. Still though, Fedora Atomic is just Fedora but container images for updates.
Interesting, are their really no other major differences than the container images? Have you ran into any additional hurdles with the atomic experience? You may have convinced me to try Bazzite or SecureBlue.
I personally adhere to the idea of avoiding installing too many overlayed packages. Most i have installed in like five (with dependencies) at once. If you are comfortable with still using mostly Flatpaks and (only) a few overlayed packages, then Atomic may still be for you.
I really do recommend Secureblue.
That would include not installing Nvidia drivers though, no?
Yes, just get the Nvidia version of Secureblue/Bazzite and you are good.
check out Nobara if you're looking for a gaming distro, based on Fedora and managed by the guy who makes Proton-GE
just a heads up for people, the guy, GE, lives in Colorado. He is prepared to follow whatever fedora chooses to do in response to age verification laws. I don't blame him, but since I have been using Nobara for years, I will switch to something else if age verification comes to Nobara.
Poor SLES not being on the board with Redhat, and ubuntu.
FreeBSD is actually pretty mainstream because everyone who doesn't want to follow GPL or any copy left licenses tends to use it.
Which usually ends up being large companies like Netflix, Sony, or Nintendo.
Don't forget that its the base of OPNSense and pfSense, which are both pretty popular.
is it really still the same system if it’s a radically divergent userland? (see: android as a linux distribution)
For the consumer tech yeah that makes sense, but I actually meant for infrastructure and workstations where you would otherwise be using linux.
Top left, Huawei HarmonyOS
Debian is out of date :D
I'm running 6.19.8 kernel which is just two minor releases behind the latest kernel version.
Current Arch Linux, which is supposedly "Extremely up to date", ships with 6.18.13 kernel.
WTF?
If you choose to run
linux-lts, sure, but the plainlinuxpackage also exists and is at 6.19.9.Where redstarOS?
Exactly, so where is it?
Top left off grid.
I use Fedora but it should probably be on the corpo side of the line because it is part of the RHEL family.
It is technically fully community driven though. And if you moved it up you'd need more squares. No way in hell is it on the same level of corporate as Ubuntu, or especially Android.
you motherf.... scare the shit out of me. putting mint that far right. make me look at the axes like a chump
steamos goes either above ubuntu or to the right of it or where ubuntu is
HaikuOS is way more niche and obscure than FreeBSD or LFS. The only thing more niche than that would probably be TempleOS.
Further left, you can find KolibriOS, AROS and way, way further down-left you can find DuskOS
NGL, Dusk looks like a really cool project. Especially fun about 10 years after the whole "own nothing and be happy" bullshit takes root.
That top left hand corner could be filled with a selection of these: https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
I would not really expect it at the top. It may fit the definition of authoritarian in some ways but I almost certainly wouldn't expect it to be corporate.
I ran Parabola for a year. Definitely authoritarian
Hey, there's enough of us on here to do a Lemmy hug of death!
excuse but GEOS where
I feel like CachyOS should be further to Niche than Arch
Yeah, in what world is it one tick more corporate/authoritarian than Arch?
Corporate+Niche quadrant could be populated with dead systems that only hobbyists use. Amusingly, there's too many to fit onto this chart.
Doesn't Alma still require you to register with RedHat? How the hell is that more left than many OS's that don't require a phone home?!
"Some people don't like Snaps" 😂
I’m an Arch-using anarchist. Please help.
Debian can and will break.
What about people who turned to w10 ltc as a compromise and to avoid w11?
I'd probably put that in the same row as W10, but in the box left of RHEL.
i think the lower left square should probably be extended further. where's serenity? where's 9front? where's oberon?
come to think of it, you could probably put metas and microsofts internal linux distros in the top left. can't remember what they're called now, but they're niche and corpo as hell.
Still no Hannah Montana :(
Ah yes Ubuntu, basically the same as windows.
Ooo and below the bottom left we have OpenBSD. =D
Could probably pop OS/2 or MorphOS in the top left
That checks out.
I still dont get why you wouldn't bump Ubuntu towards the corporate direction one more square.
Update: I now have nobara. Kept windows in case I dont like it on the long term or something goes wrong. Nobara looked kinda more "noob oriented" than cachy. Had some issue to launch games that were previously installed, did some random things and it worked.
Everything went much easier than I expected!
What about server OSs? That would rescale the mainstream/niche dimension quite drastically
I don't really think it'll be possible to fill the mainstream side with how things are going
Nah..
Improving over the prior version.
Still may help to make the axis labels more pronounced and/or stop using the political compass colours.
Auth/lib is very cringe 🫠