My doctor had christan nationalist propaganda in the examination room.
This is my third time to the office. Im waiting for the Doctor to come in and whie waiting in the examination room, I spot this. I start flipping through it, and I am getting upset.
I wait for the doctor to come in. I immeditely ask him, hey what it this? why is it here? He blew me off and just said "oh its just an opinion piece" and I said, yeah, but who put it here, do you believe in this? And he just shrugged. I said, Im leaving, that is so wierd, thats weird to have in a doctors office. And I left. Ill never go back to that place.
I need a doctor who believes in science. You wanna be christain thats fine, but this literally says,for christain nationalism. gross.
Putnam CT, USA if anyone is curious. I want to post the photo in google maps reviews, but I am afraid to, even with my google account being a burner. Yes, it's the red pocket of an overall blue state, but, I just, was not expecting to see this.
Bravo for accepting the inconvenience of actually leaving and making the statement.
In aggregate, it changes things from the bottom up.
I did appreciate the doctors deafeated expression he wore apon his face and I walked out.
If he denounced it, or explained something..maybe.. but, he blew off my concern and shrugged. No. Plenty of other doctors around, I was driving pretty far anyway.
Lol. Maybe this wasn't the first time.
Yeah, because despite it all, I am still open to and sympathetic to folks who genuinely have just been duped somehow. It definitely gets harder and harder to buy that folks are oblivious the more time that goes on, but I'm never gonna make the mistake of pushing someone back into the fascists' arms because they think I'm not willing to accept them.
Love this
Name and shame
Dude did you not check their ratings before you went? 3.1 is a major red flag.
Another hint is look for "LGBTQ+ Friendly" in the listing. That's the easiest way to determine whether or not a doctor believes in science.
So, most of the reviews are for the only brown lady in the place. She was lovely with me, this is a racist area, so...I ignored them. I did notice she had a cross on her neck, but thought not much of it. Until today, I saw some dude, O'neil. Idk who's room it was, but either way..
learned my lesson, both you and my husband are right lol
Ooh that's a good point; I didn't factor in that the general bigotry of the local community would play a factor in ratings... Not really an issue when you live in the city.
But yeah the "LGBTQ+ Friendly" label is very helpful for finding businesses that are progressive and treat people like human beings.
Sucks that you're stuck in an area full of bigots...try to leave when it becomes affordable/convenient.
or gender neutral bathrooms.
Is it strange that in my point of view as an European, it's weird as fuck that a doctor (or anything) has an "LGBTQ+ Friendly" tag?
That literally should not be a thing - every single doctor out there shouldn't at all care about their patient's sexual orientation and if they do care, leave it at home and act like fucking professionals at work.
I mean, I can see some specialities having doctors signal that they're experience with things related to gender transition, but beyond that, doctors as medical professionals have a professional duty to treat everybody the same independently of sexual orientation (and race, gender, religious beliefs, nationality and so on).
Further, doctors practicing Descrimination on their patients should be struck down as medical practicioners.
Isn't there something like a Medical Order in the US? What kind of fucked up medical training system you have over there?
I have always interpreted that kind of tag as basically stating “we’re not bigots and we don’t send profits to bigoted political candidates in the community” more so than anything related to the business or practice specifically.
I've seen it mentioned for behavioral health places, and it makes sense to me in that case. If you're going to be seeing a psychiatrist, or going into rehab, you're probably gonna want to be sure that they're not bigots
I can understand it if you want a therapist who is familiar with helping you through gender dysphoria. That experience in navigating those complex emotions would be useful.
Otherwise, I hate how in this shithole of a country doctors put their own religion and prejudices before their patients and the patients well being.
It's a Google Maps feature, not a doctor thing. Does that feature not exist in Europe?
I’m from the area and we always called it Dey Killem, because if you had a heart attack, you were better off trying to make it to Manchester hospital.
Funny, when i search for this clinic, it has only 1.5 of 5 stars on Google
that explains alot, bet the yelp said he was wierd.
Note how there is a piece highlighted on the cover against Notre Dame, a Catholic university. It isn’t simply being Christian that these people want.
No shit.
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all worship the same God, and often respect each other's important figures as at least prophets.
If one of the three ever "won" and replaced the other two, the very next act would be going after a minor branch of their own religion.
The details they squabble over are already super minor, and basically come down to speaking different languages.
It doesn't have anything to do with religion, it's the power structure and people abusing others faith to convince them to do horrible shit.
It has everything to do with religion. without these made up stories, not a single justification would be left for all the shit these people have done over the years. zero.
If it wasn't religion, they'd exploit something else.
You still think the people in charge of these movements actually give a fuck about the movement.
They're just looking for a way to manipulate people. Religion might be the most common right now, but there's other options that work just as well.
Do you not know what racism is?
The justification doesn't matter because it's always bullshit. Getting rid of the justification doesn't solve the problem, it just replaced it with a different justification.
What you're advocating for is perpetual whack a mole that doesn't solve anything.
It's gonna be harder to exploit something that is not based on "trust me bro". Exploit what? Science? Fine. Reason? Ok.
Religion is THE tool for exploitation. You can lie to yourself, and that's what you've been trained for (Yes, I assume you are at least somewhat religious. Only religious people defend religion).
I do. And its origins are deeply rooted in religion. Lots of litterature about that.
So I'm not saying it's a magical bullet. But if we stop teaching people shit like "faith", we may have fucking chance of making it. Religions are not defendable anymore, it's a cancer, and it must be abolished.
I do not respect religion.
Do you understand that they are saying the "trust me bro" is going to come from somewhere else, if not religion? Elon Musk and his claims over the years are a great example.
I highly recommend you give the South Park episode "Go God Go" a watch. It's pretty funny.
Elon musk fandom is religious. It's full blown religious thinking. That is exactly my point.
Just so you're aware, most of the Nazi ideology is based in a form of science and reason, yet it spread hate like nothing else. Eugenics is a way to use science to to fuel hate towards people for whatever characteristics you choose. Science is not immune to this abuse. Sure, it's not as common as religion, but it's something we will always have to look out for. Don't think you're immune because you don't follow a religion. That's how you end up believing this other shit that tells you you're better than others.
eugenics is not science. it's trash. pretending you do science to impose religious thinking on people is not science. It's religion however you call it.
I legitimately can't tell if that's a typo or a real opinion...
But either way, I can't see this being productive.
Fascist will use whatever rhetoric, belief, religion, creed, etc to their advantage. It is about power and manipulation.
Having said that religion, particularly Abrahamic ones, are complete garbage with or without fascism.
Modern day racism in the US traces it roots back to Christianity. There is no denying this. It is a garbage religion used to create servitude and slavery.
Interestingly, the magazine's editor (who's credited for the "For Christian Nationalism" article), is listed as Catholic in the magazine's Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Things
First Things is a "Catholic" mag. but they're generally considered on the far right of the spectrum. Hated Pope Francis, think Notre Dame is a liberal haven, etc.
just once I wish the catholics would bring back old school punishments for members of their religion who reject the pope.
Oh I'm an idiot. I thought they were mad at the cathedral.
or the COLLEGE.
"I like cathedrals that don't burn down."
Using the term nationalism like it's a good thing. Holy shit Batman.
One thing that's not a dog whistle; they openly admit to being Christian Nationalists.
Seems a lot of the right wing "dog whistles" are more of an air raid siren. They don't need to be subtle - a horrifying number of people build their whole identity around things like racism and religious superiority. The louder the whistle, the more support they drum up from those evil shits.
There are no Dog Whistles any more. That was when being a treasonous racist pedophile was something you weren't proud of and wasn't socially acceptable, so you had to communicate with your douchebag buddies under the radar.
MAGA Has given them permission to let their Traitor flag fly, and they are too stupid to understand that this won't last forever, and the punishment will be a bitch, so they are demonstrating to the world just how ugly they are. At least when this is all over, we will have no doubts as to where the problems are. They've made it easy to improve society with a little thinning of the herd.
They're typically used in real life situations, for example, when trying to figure out whether their coworkers are like-minded. Once they know they can get away with it, though ... I have a few coworkers that will talk right-wing talking points practically non-stop. Another coworker and I have considered reporting them to HR, but all that would do is put a target on our backs; or at best, get them to silently hold a grudge against us. And it takes a lot more than office drama to get fired where I work.
Good call. I applaud your courage confronting them about this and applaud you even more for having the conviction to drop them over it. It is extremely unprofessional allowing religion in the workplace to that degree, and "unprofessional" sure as hell isn't something you want in your doctor.
Ooh ooh! Story time!
I have several severe mental illnesses. So of course I'm in therapy. My therapist sends me up to psychiatric help who tells me my cannabis use is ok, but only as long as it is actually helping mental health. My therapist did not like that. She gave me literal DARE propaganda to review. My wife was luckily with me when this happened. The printout was dated back to 2002. I told her that all the information in that packet (several pages) was outdated, factually incorrect, and literally propaganda for the war on drugs. We never went back to her. I spent time without a therapist until I found one that is actually helping me and doesn't judge me based on one of several medications for my mental health.
Remember kids, your mental health is important
So you mean your former doctor. Good. Fuck that wackadoo bastard.
When I moved to the rural South I discovered half the businesses have crosses in their logos or big bible verses on the building's outer walls, and yes, doctors had Christian shit in waiting rooms. Well, sure as shit, it meant they were the ones who would cut a corner and mark up a bill at the end. Shake your hand and call you their brother. Just avoid, just get up and leave and stop going to that place. It's a warning sign every time, and every time I wish I'd have listened to my gut when I do go in.
That sounds like Moral Licensing at work, especially when you consider the bible-thumper context. This is the same reason why food-service workers (table servers mostly) learn to fear the after-church lunch rush.
get a new doctor ASAP. Red fucking flag.
I was at a walk in clinic and perusing their pamphlets when I noticed some that were in a different style than the rest. They were by Focus on the Family and included anti-abortion and anti-LGBT propaganda. I scoffed, collected them all out of the wall holder thing, and threw them in the trash -- the receptionist gave me a weird look.
A few minutes later she comes out and pulls them out of the trash can. She skims a few, frowns, and takes them to the back. I never saw those pamphlets in that waitingroom again.
So at least in this case it seems like it was one asshole (that possibly didn't work there) put them out. Good call on questioning them about it.
These people do not deserve respect and should be openly mocked as soon as you discover they are a Christian nationalist.
"It's just an opinion piece."
Sure, bud. The magazine exists to advocate theocracy.
On the cover:
R R Reno, right wing theologian and editor of the rag.
Matthew B Crawford, can’t find much about him other than he’s at UVA’s center for advanced studies. Looks like his writing was chosen for the rag rather than written for it.
Glenn C Arbery, former president and current professor at Wyoming Catholic College, the college is labeled “conservative” by some sources.
Christian Smith, theistic author and professor at Notre Dame.
Yeah, you are GUARANTEED not to get the best quality care at a doctor that believes in Christian Nationalism. It's not the 50's anymore, but they are trying to bring us back.
Christian nationalism did not exist in this sense in the 1950s. What we are calling Christian nationalism is toolism of big business and their Unholy alliance with the religious right.
The evangelicals, the baptists, the calvinists, they were never that political before like the '70s to '80s I forget something about Newt Gingrich and a bunch of assholes.
Lol
I mean that's horrifying. How can you trust your care to someone who believes you should be exterminated or at the very least forcefully subjugated and converted?
I fully support stupid business owners wearing their shitty politics on their sleeve. Cuts their business in half and virtually ensures they'll fail.
Great job asking about it.
I hate the break it do y'all but doctors and specialists are some of the most ignorant motherfuckers you'll ever meet, outside their field that is. Same goes for nurses...
Doesn't mean they ain't nice people that id trust my life to, I just wouldn't listen to them for anything outside of the field they are in.
Dr Oz was a legitimately gifted cardiac surgeon.
I had a similar experience at a Chiropractor. They had the automated massage bed, which was way cheaper than going to a medical massage office on my insurance.
But I was reading thier quack information slideshow on one of the TVs, but they kept quoting some dude. I looked him up and he was an out and proud neo-nazi.
So I left in middle of my appointment and never returned any calls and left a review on google. Google took my review down.
You should report this to the state medical board. They take such reports seriously.
Not to be a downer, but I seriously doubt anything would come of a report. The provider could have bibles in every room in the practice, with weeping jesus hanging on every wall, and still not violate any rules. Providers can now refuse to treat based on their moral grounds (read - pharmacists not filling scripts for the morning after pill, birth control, etc and more.)
As utterly disgusting as this is, it's not illegal.
Edit to add - what's even more surprising is that someone paid $6.95 for that rag
This is the kind of info I was hoping to get. Ill look into it. I still dont feel good and need to find a new doctor now too. :(
In my experience, doctors for me have been either blue hair free healthcare for all progressives or George Bush republicans with no in between.
“George Bush Republican” and “Christian Nationalist” are two entirely different camps in my head.
And in my experience. I have family distinctively, unquestionably in each camp and not the other.
I’ve never seen a Christian nationalist doctor is what I’m also saying. It’s kinda wild that they wouldn’t have issues with their license; having anything like OP’s image in a waiting room is a huge professional liability.
Ah.
Is it, though? I'm not familiar with medical licensing, but technically how would it impact their ability to practice medicine?
A patient can build a case against them based on discrimination. If the doctor buys that magazine, that’ll come out in court, and even if the lawsuit doesn’t stick, it’s a waste of money. With that kind of thing hanging around, they’re basically asking to be sued.
Ah, I see.
...Yes, I can vividly imagine that being used in court.
I think that says a lot; that a practicing doctor would have this and not even see it as discriminatory. It's been normalized that much, apparently.
Depends on which George Bush.
Senior? The folks who voted for "Read my lips: no new taxes"? Yeah there were sane people that voted for that guy.
Dubya? I saw footage of people praying to cardboard cutouts George The Lesser.
There's a disturbing amount of full on MAGA doctors who'd be flattered to be accused of being a Nazi in LA. The funny thing is they're not even white.
LA has a bigger population than a majority of whole states. Even 0.5% of their population is a significant number of people 🫣
Truth. It's a region the size of Belgium with the population of Mongolia. That's a god damn megalopolis, if not a nation-state on its own.
I worked with physicians on an almost daily basis during my hospital IT career. Believe me when I say this is NOT an unusual thing. Some of the most whacked out RWNJs I've known were MDs. It should scare you shitless.
People should be skeptical about professionals that we consider to be of higher character and intelligence. Plenty of them have f’d up ideas and objectively unscientific views. Doctors, lawyers, commercial pilots, engineers, higher ranked military officers… people you’d assume hold themselves to higher standards.
They’re just people. As long as they’re not nuts and pass the right tests, a flat earther can become an engineer, anti-vaxxers become doctors, right-wing nutters everywhere.
Case and Point: Ben Carson.
It's a bit unfourtunate that I think in my search for a new doctor.. I will have to ask their belief. Im going to search for an atheist doctor..
I do believe this was the typical exam room for my lady doctor. Her family is from India, and I dont care that there were her family memeber photos on the wall, and Indian art on the walls, I didnt care she had a cross on her neck. I though it unique or maybe she was trying to fit in with the demographic, or whatever, but this is a hard line to cross.
The male doctor I was seeing on the off sick visit.. coward at my questions, and this doesnt help the situation, nor my confusion. Who's was it? he didnt answer. so, I dont really know.
It does scare me shitless, and I want an atheist doctor now, full stop
Ngl, I'm vaguely curious what they'd be saying in the "Love and Mass Migration" article. Like, is it okay to import a citizenship-seeking tradwife from another country if none of the libgirls in the States want you?
I regret not stealing it. lol I am curious too. I read a bit inside, but it all happened so fast I dont remember what it said. Just that I didnt like it.
My guess is that it's, "guys, we really don't want to have to put all of these brown people in camps and/or murder them. The best thing for you all to do would be to just leave en masse so we don't have to."
They are christians after all
yeah fuck everything about that, I wouldn't trust that doc for a moment.
while I believe in everyone's freedom to practice whatever the hell religion they want, i question the intelligence of anyone who believes this type of shit, not to mention the politics and ethics of someone putting out this of literature in their place of business. it's pretty stupid
Many "advertise" their faith discretely, look for crosses or a tiny Jesus fish on their signage, business cards, building, etc.
I'm always grateful whenever a business puts a Jebus fish on their signs and in their ads so I don't have to waste time doing business with them. It only took a couple of times letting outspoken Xtians work on my stuff before I realized it was all a ruse to get gullible idiots into their stores to be f'd over.
Thank you for having integrity and getting out of there. We have to stop supporting these people. They must know their ideology won't be supported.
This has serious Obvious Plant vibes.
My gyno's office once had an entire stack of Chick Tracts. None like. Super related to the gyno, just random. I had been going to them for awhile so I really doubt it was any of the staff, it was shoved into a corner of the waiting room. My ass took all of them and shoved them into my purse. I love the wretched things to laugh at. I had never managed to see one in person so I was delighted. They never showed up there again.
I love those Chick tracts, they are harder to find now
I want to order the ones I am missing and have a complete collection, but i don't want to give them money. It's a quandary.
I was hoping when I picked up the stack I'd get the infamous dnd one but alas. I did not. I also want that one without giving them a cent!
I feel like it would be worse if they were specifically related to gynecology :/
Sure, but they also weren't related to women in anyway. I think it really was the grab bag option which was very cheap to buy in bulk from my understanding!
Heated a doublewide with those things for a while in my midwest era
You did a public service by removing them
Thanks for having principles!
I have no idea what any of these points mean. Done with Notre dame? What the fuck is this asshole talking about? Who the fuck is Notre dame? Love and mass migration I don't even know where he's going with that, Mass migration is literally the bread and butter of Christian nationalism, opposing it. Nonsense.
I parse the "Love and Mass Migration" thing pretty easily. A common (and reasonable) rebuttal to these types is to ask, "well how can you love your neighbor as a Christian, when you support the violent deportation of your migrant neighbors?"
I garuntee that article is twisting the concept of Christian love to day that, actually, deportations are loving actually, or somesuch horseshit.
I have Nooo clue about the Notre Dame one. Though I am morbidly curious
*guarantee. No shade, it's a common mistake, I just like being helpful.
As far as the Notre Dame thing? I have no idea. Maybe it's referencing the fire at the Notre Dame back in 2019? A lot of Protestants were basically masturbating over it because they thought it was a sign that God didn't like Catholics.
Edit: Later comment clarified that the author of the article was a prof at Notre Dame. So I'm pretty sure this rag is at the very least Catholic-adjacent.
Catholics and christians are cut from the same cloth. This magazing advocates for theocracy. They dislike the pope, and want prayer in schools ect..
Catholics are Christians.
Can you imagine being so far right-wing that you think Notre Dame isn't conservative enough?
Bill Clinton used to campaign on hiring 100,000 new teachers. Maybe we need a 2028 candidate running on hiring 100,000 new therapists.
Honestly? Take it with you. Stop the spread.
You know I agree with you in spirit,
however, If I hadnt seen that, I wouldnt have known, and still would be going there.
Fair enough. Just the other day I was off the same mind as you, relieved that the Tesla Cybertruck owners in my area were plastering themselves with a giant sign of their assholery.
Fuck that.
I lived in the panhandle of Florida for 15 years. Every single damn public television (i.e. in waiting rooms, et cetera) tuned to Fox News. No exceptions.
When we moved to Virginia, it was such a breath of fresh air. I may find HGTV annoying and boring, but it's not fucking Fox propaganda.
When I briefly had Obamacare, I went to the only dr that accepted it in my area. Was a straight fever dream. There was a massive koi pond built into the floor of the place with little bridges crossing it connecting the offices. There was a room where the owner had a massive model ship collection. And All over the walls were signs saying how evolution is a lie. I never returned and canceled my Obamacare. It was so fucking weird.
Alternatively, you keep this doctor, steal the fascist propaganda and leave anarchist propaganda instead.
problem here is your doctor is someone who is fine with that being in the waiting room. Why do you need birth control. Your married. Why do you need birth control. Your not married.
I feel like the crazy people in blue states are extra. In a similar area and I had an optometrist try to sell me a bunch of miracle cures for autism. He was so predatory.
Doesn't mean its theirs. God bothers often leave their trash laying around hoping someone will read it.
I asked, and it is a thick almost book like, $7 mag, found in the examination room, not the waiting room, not a pamphlet. It was along side another less obvious christain mag.
When asked, the Doctor did not deny it belonging to the office.
edit to add, I was in the "car visit" room. I think a less used room, as it was full of personal items like photographs and art.
Okay it was what I thought of first. The local library picks up a couple of way out there magazines on the shelf regularly. Several religious magazines and one is some pro china rag that makes china seem like a glowing beacon of decency. Someone is bringing them in and putting them on the shelf. The library throws them away every month.
He didn't deny it though.
Guaranteed the quack doctor believes in the fucknuts Doug Wilson and RFK Jr.
*former doctor
On an unrelated note, I'm reading The World Beyond Your Head by Matthew B Crawford, so it's cool to see his name in "the wild".
Update: I did NOT know that he was a Christian nationalist. The World Beyond Your Head was recommended to me probably a decade ago by a philosophy professor who is definitely neither Christian or nationalist.
ew
A Christian nationalist, by the way.
bruh
ew
The link to his article is somewhere in the post.
He somehow manages to argue being a humanitarian is a bad thing.
grow up.
I didn't realize that he was a Christian nationalist. The mean comment is kind of uncalled for. Reading something written by someone who might be a bad person doesn't really mean that I have to "grow up".