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1000 Epic employees laid off.

This note was sent to Epic employees today:

Today we’re laying off over 1000 Epic employees. I'm sorry we're here again. The downturn in Fortnite engagement that started in 2025 means we're spending significantly more than we're making, and we have to make major cuts to keep the company funded. This layoff, together with over $500 million of identified cost savings in contracting, marketing, and closing some open roles puts us in a more stable place.

Some of the challenges we're facing are industry-wide challenges: slower growth, weaker spending, and tougher cost economics; current consoles selling less than last generation's; and games competing for time against other increasingly-engaging forms of entertainment.

And some of our challenges are unique to Epic. Despite Fortnite remaining one of the most successful games in the world, we’ve had challenges delivering consistent Fortnite magic with every season; we're only in the early stages of returning to mobile and optimizing Fortnite for the world's billions of smartphones; and in being the industry's vanguard we have taken a lot of bullets in a battle which is only in the early days of paying off for ourselves and all developers.

Since it's a thing now, I should note that the layoffs aren't related to AI. To the extent it improves productivity, we want to have as many awesome developers developing great content and tech as we can.

What we now need to do is clear: build awesome Fortnite experiences with fresh seasonal content, gameplay, story, and live events; accelerate developer tools with greater stability and capability as we evolve from Unreal Engine 5 and UEFN to Unreal Engine 6. And we'll be kicking off the next generation of Epic with huge launch plans towards the end of the year.

This isn't our first time being here. Epic survived upheavals in 1990's with the move from 2D to 3D with Unreal 1; in the 2000's building console games with Gears of War; and in 2012 moving to online gaming with Paragon and Fortnite. Each time, we rebuilt our foundations and earned a renewed leadership position.

Market conditions today are the most extreme we've seen since those early days, with massive upheaval in the industry accompanied by massive opportunity for the companies that come out as winners on the other side. That's what we're aiming to do for our players, and we aim to bring other like-minded developers in the industry along on the journey to build an increasingly open and vibrant future of entertainment together.

At Epic, we pride ourselves in only hiring the industry's best, so it is very painful to part with so many talented people. The folks impacted by the layoffs will receive a severance package that includes at least four months of base pay, with more based on tenure. We’re also extending Epic-paid healthcare coverage.

For example, in the U.S., they’ll receive paid coverage for 6 months. We’ll also accelerate their stock options vesting through January 2027 and extend equity exercise options for up to two years.

We'll have a company meeting Thursday to talk about the roadmap in more detail.

-Tim

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ani.social

Since it's a thing now, I should note that the layoffs aren't related to AI.

As shitty as the situation is, I can respect the fact that they are being somewhat honest about it, as opposed to hiding behind a scapegoat like most other tech companies. (Though they still blamed it on something external / outside of their control 🙃)

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zewmreply
lemmy.world

The fact that you believe this lie is funny.

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Endmakerreply
ani.social

Care to elaborate? CMIIW, but if I interprete this comment right, that

layoffs aren't related to AI

is a lie, that means that:

they truly believe that AI can their jobs, hence the layoff?

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I believe it, I think it has more to do with Fortnite slowly moving into irrelevancy at the same time they were spending money on partnerships that the demographic doesn't care about.

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Why would they lie about that? If they truly are laying people off because of AI, they could say so and get a boost in investment since everyone seems to be investing in "AI companies".

They could also just hide the fact that their cash cow (Fortnite) is not infinite.

Instead, they told actual reason that make actual sense for laying people off.

Of course, they probably have way more than enough money to pay those 1000 people. And you could critizise them for that instead.

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lemmy.ca

If they fired all the epic ones, that must mean they kept all the mid employees.

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If Epic employees are legendary, are Steam employees divine?

Because I don't give a damn about Epic.

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The guy is quite a good communicator. Would have still been nice to know how much he cuts his own salary and that of the rest of management. But I assume they just fire some managers, since they are having less employees to manage.

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feddit.org

He could have paid each of the fired employees 100k for 10 years and still have several billion dollars left.

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lb_oreply
lemmy.world

Exactly With that amount of money - make them create something new with the chance of it begin successful.

No, we will oversaturate already dying gamedev labor market with top notch professionals.

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While desperately trying to stay relevant in a game genre that died 6 years ago. The golden goose is dead and they are still trying to crush golden eggs out of its dead carcass. They will never realize that the egg crushing machine they invented is the one responsible for it's death.

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piefed.ca

I wonder how much the C Suite's compensation package shrunk by.

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lemmy.world

I mean not a fan of epic but damn that sucks for the developers that the leadership had let things stagnate until massive layoffs had to happen.

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quokk.au

Imagine that dumb lizard head spilling its cold blood all over a wall.

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CybranMreply
feddit.nu

I don't like the guy but do we really need to stoop this low?

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You are right, Billionaires should have known better but they just won't stop.

The fact that the lower caste fantasizes about killing them is kind of proof how far they have gone.

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Whats low or stooping? Get off your knees, worm. If you like dick thats great, but try sucking a human one for once.

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"Had to happen" surely.

Fortnite is still printing money. On its own, it's enough to sustain the company, so they very much didn't "have to" lay off any employees to remain profitable.

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LCP
lemmy.world

Aside from the fight they put up against the App Store and Play Store duopoly and granting fans permission to distribute a Unreal Tournament 2004 launcher, Epic has taken the "PR disaster" route at every step of the way.

Competition is good and I appreciate having the Epic Games Store and their freebies, but after ~8 years it's still barebones. Only recently did they get around to implementing gifting games.

They could have earned so much community goodwill with making an official launcher for Linux and providing better Easy Anti Cheat support. Could've easily taken out a chunk of Steam's playerbase on Valve's home turf, the Steam Deck.

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87Sixreply
lemmy.zip

Nevermind gifting games, the app is atrocious. It's damn slow I rather use a browser to go on the epic site to get the free games.

How the fuck can my browser run 3 tabs + 2 epic tabs that I use to get both free games at once while the app barely starts? Optimization disaster of an electron app.

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lemmy.world

It’s because Epic Game Store is an Unreal Engine game. There are an infinite number of ways to build software, and they chose the dumbest.

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It was weird that the download manager and the launcher for Unreal Engine are way smoother that the store client but now it makes sense

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lemmy.zip

Lmao "Hey guys we had this happen multiple times already in the past few decades and we never learned from our mistakes there."

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Epic's entire business model in the past decade has been to copy others and see what sticks.

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swg-empire.de

Who could have foreseen that putting all your eggs into one basket was risky? Not this Epic leadership.

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It's felt like fortnight has been keeping epic alive for nearly a decade. 10 - 15 year olds that were playing fortnight and buying with mom and dad's $ are grown up. We're all suffering under the boot of late stage capitalism and stagflation. 20-24 year olds experiencing 7.7% unemployment, if they have a college degree. Those numbers get worse the less education young people have. Young people that play this game don't have disposable income to drop on digital bullshit when they are trying to survive. Avg unemployment is about 4.5% and for highschool kids and kids working through college the unemployment rate is 13%.

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lemmy.ca

They’ve tried to.

They have Unreal Engine, Epic Games Store, and they tried transitioning Fortnite into an SDK for other live service games to try and take a cut there.

But like if Google Ads or Search dropped off quickly they’d have to drop their other products too, because that’s their revenue driver.

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Yeah, but at the same time they stopped making new games except for one. Thousand people (yes, many of them probably wouldn't have been game devs) could have made at least ten new games. It probably wouldn't have been bad for their engine either to have multiple internal teams trying to make multiple kinds of games.

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The folks impacted by the layoffs will receive

There's nothing I hate more than "folks" being used by corporate heads while they're fucking you.

For example, in the U.S., they’ll receive paid coverage for 6 months.

Lol the reason he doesn't mention any other country is that EVERY OTHER COUNTRY HAS FUCKING UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.

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4am
lemmy.zip

T: minus-6-months and counting until Stock Buyback initiation…

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Epic is a private company, they don't have any public stock to buy back.

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lemmy.world

1000 is just such arbitrary bullshit. And how many does that leave? How many are/were working on season passes???

None of that talented bunch couldn't have pivoted onto Unreal Tournament? Or some other fortnite spin-off?

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Die4Everreply
retrolemmy.com

I feel like a new Jazz the Jackrabbit or Jill of the Jungle would have a better chance of making money than trying Unreal Tournament again lol

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Jazz Jackrabbit could do well. I could see it pivoting to a platform-adjacent genre pretty well, with MTX (since that seems to be Epic's bread & butter), with like a PvE race mode or something, giving higher rewards depending on clear time, a season of trees monthly, etc.

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UT 2004 is coming back, and better since the OldUnreal full game installer is live (thanks to Epic giving them permission to do this).

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piefed.social

Are they even still working on UT? Last I checked it's been public alpha and looked really good. That was close to 10 years ago this point.

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They aren't anymore. Those four devs who worked on UT4 were since shifted over to other projects, i.e. Fortnite.

Sweeny also shut down the UT series for good, but Epic had given OldUnreal permission to bring about full game installers for Unreal, UT99, and UT 2004.

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and in being the industry's vanguard we have taken a lot of bullets in a battle which is only in the early days of paying off for ourselves and all developers.

Fuckin dork.

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IronBirdreply
lemmy.world

seriously, what the fuck is/was Epic doing with 4000+ employees?

they don't make games and the team that develops UE is apparently <200 people.

3800 people being paid to...add nothing to their game store?

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doublahreply
sopuli.xyz

It's entirely for Fortnite, they bought entire studios like Harmonix and turned them into Fortnite game mode developers.

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UE, Fortnite, the epic store, epic client, UE store (now fab.com), their publishing business... they're a big company.

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Apparently a lot of the fortnite devs got the axe - they've nixed a ton of the less popular game modes?

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Aulireply
lemmy.ca

And where is the next half life game?

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lemmy.zip

UE5 has some great tech and MetaHuman Animator is fantastic. I appreciate that they allow anyone with under $1M in revenue to use their tech free of charge. MHA, for example, is the only decent facial mocap available to indies that doesn’t have an expensive subscription.

On the other hand, Epic Games has a lot of shit. I was especially annoyed with their Fab store and shutting down Sketchfab. Hopefully their layoff doesn’t negatively impact what they’re doing right.

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MetaHuman Animator

I just looked this up and holy shit that is awesome

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personally I know they outsource their customer support to different companies and only keep "higher level" support as direct employees, to that number should be low in comparison to other departments

edit: looking for more info i found out they will be axing some game modes soon so probably most of the teams working on them were fired

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At least they’re not pretending it’s AI lol. The global economy’s going for a ride with Emperor Trump.

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So... if consoles aren't selling and PC part prices are increasing, is there going to be much market for games in a year or two?

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sopuli.xyz

Ok, this is simple, I will never give Epic money if they won't retain their developers and artists.

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Asafumreply
lemmy.world

I just grab their weekly free game and use steam for anything I'd buy. I like to think I just cost them money as a user lol

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i go to GoG first, and just can't be bothered to collect free games on Epic. Got more than i can play already just with stuff i'v bought

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sopuli.xyz

No sorry didn't mean to imply that. Not at all.

Don't get me wrong I want a competitor to Steam/Valve but Epic isn't it.

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I'm very quickly becoming a person that craves physical media again. Not that I like all the stuff that comes with it, but at least I own something.

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