Trump threatens to attack Iran's power plants if Strait of Hormuz not opened within 48 hours
Related full tweet:
If Iran doesn’t FULLY OPEN, WITHOUT THREAT, the Strait of Hormuz, within 48 HOURS from this exact point in time, the United States of America will hit and obliterate their various POWER PLANTS, STARTING WITH THE BIGGEST ONE FIRST! Thank you for your attention to this matter. President DONALD J. TRUMP
Giving out an ultimatum to blow up civilian infrastructure is a war crime right
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I hope that people are starting to understand why war powers shouldn't be hogged by one dipshit.
They're not even beginning to understand. They still think we're winning. :(
Saw that diesel in my area hit $6.99 a gallon. Is this winning?
I suppose it can feel that way if you're an EV owner and don't rely on Diesel (or dirtier versions of diesel) to heat your house.
Of course, in my semi-rural area, a bunch of the MAGA voters drive huge, lifted diesel trucks that burn as inefficiently as possible (so that they can roll coal on Priuses and bikers) and also have 1950's oil furnaces that basically burn dirty diesel. I wonder how long they'll keep lying to themselves about winning.
Electricity prices will be going up too.
They already have. But not anywhere near as much as gas has. It's not as volitle, and you can get your own power with solar.
Also, in my state, the electricity rates are heavily regulated, and a commission can (and has) rejected rate increases.
Wow. Peak of civilization.
Don’t forget congress is complicit too. They’re choosing to let this happen.
Yup...more war crimes. That seems to be the only tool in his toolbox.
1ply or 2ply?
Barely 1 ply. It’s falling apart at the slightest touch to ass.
Americans would be very offended if we could read.
I'm American. I can read just fine. I made the damned post talking about our constitution being used to wipe Trumps ass.
This is a stated intent to destroy, or set in motion events that will destroy, much of the oil and power infrastructure in several countries .
I really hope this is only a manipulation of the markets , because otherwise things will never be the same.
Americans have a duty to make this not happen
American voted for this to happen. And remain at 40% approval of the guy.
People supporting him is not nearly as important as who can stop it in the next day
I don’t think Americans ever got a choice in the matter. Trump ran as an anti war candidate, about a third of Trump supporters do not support this war, and the majority of Americans are opposed to it.
None of that matters. The fact is that obese orange thing still got elected by the direct or indirect actions of voting for, or 'protesting' by not voting at all.
Even if you take away all the paedophilia 'accusations' ;-);-), and the bankruptcies and corruption etc etc etc and then solely go with what that fat cunt did during the first term then that should be enough for any intelligent person to not vote for that thing again. But no, that's just too much for the rest of the fucking world to ask for!!
I don't give a shit what the average american is opposed to when the rest of the world have to also suffer the consequences of electing in a dementia riddled, warmongering, tyrannical old twat with the temperament and bowel habits of a tantrumming toddler.
At this point you can just say "the fact that he's a pedophile"
Also, I feel like you're attributing too many grandiose-in-a-bad-way adjectives to him. He's just a spoiled unloved rich kid with a two digit IQ who has managed to surround himself with two digit IQ lackies.
Yes all of that matters. My point is that US democracy is a sham. There have been plenty of studies that show US policy is dictated almost exclusively by the interests of the wealthy and not the interests of the population at large. Trump is symptom of this mess.
Americans are frustrated at their current conditions but they have no tools to understand why they suffer. The American education system is full of propaganda and so is their corporate run media. The wealthy capitalists that control the US are okay with Americans picking Trump as an acceptable outlet for their frustrations. The alternative to that would be real left wing policy and they can’t accept that.
Also recognize, the world suffered under democrats as well. Obama turned Libya into a perpetual war zone and Biden supported one of the most well documented genocides of our time. It’s a hubristic empire run by pedophiles and pedophile enablers and it never mattered what the people really wanted.
Trump voters and the non voters deserve to get the third degree burns. The rest of us are the poor fuckers on the crashing airplane with them.
Well, you better keep fighting the good fight and accusing all Americans, including all those who are trying to help.
Trump loves you for that. You are a great asset to MAGA.
Oh wow, you playing the victim really has opened my eyes.
Looking back at the process to evaluate our leaders makes this statement pop. A debate with 5 minute responses to world challenges where the candidates can talk over each other? Wtf are we even doing.
'The establishment owes me an easy choice, otherwise i hold my breath at home!!!!'
Under 32% of Americans voted for this to happen.
Most Americans didn't give enough of a shit to vote at all. It's really fucking bad here. This society has been sick for my entire existence, and the toxicity of it is vastly understated. People are miserable here, and stressed too the point of self-preservation as a norm.
"Americans have a duty to make this not happen."
What does this even mean? Shall I go throw molotov cocktails at my local California city hall - a city hall full of people that oppose what Trump is doing?
People need to understand that the United States of America is the third largest country by landmass in the world. We have massive protests here, and a huge one is going to happen next weekend... But it won't force Trump to do, or refrain from doing, anything on the world stage.
Our government is completely captured by a single party that is both very stupid, and very evil. We have a way out of this in November, but only if the GOP doesn't successfully upend democracy in that election.
Until then, the grand majority of Americans that want this to end are in the same boat as any and all foreigners that want it to end. Our "power" is only available in election cycles.
The next election is predicted to be a blood bath for Trump, too. He's the most unpopular president in living memory right now.
He’s been given such a blank check within the US that he is now completely deluded that he has fiat power around the world. He also thinks the military can force anything he wants to happen.
He’s fucking around, but I have my doubts that he has the requisite intelligence to actually, truly find out. If history is any guide, he will simply continue to fuck around.
Oh! More terrorism. Great job.
Trumps approval rating still sits at 40 % (https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker).
Something's seriously wrong with your people, USA...
brainrot through social media / smartphones, coupled with propaganda.
We have the brainrot already in Europe - if our propaganda were as strong, we'd be just as bad, sadly.
We spent decades destroying our education system and you didn't even mention it, do our efforts mean nothing to you?
Not true, the US is in the end game stage of capitalism and is run like one big corporation. Only numbers matters. Europe never was like this
While I don't agree, your point and my observation do not contradict each other.
As much as I despise what's normal in Magastan, telling ourselves we are in any way more smart or ethical in Europe is precisely how we run our bus off the same cliff.
I meant that in today’s Europe, particularly Western Europe, there isn’t the same cultural attachment to exceptionalism. There’s also no existential drive to dominate like there is in the US. There’s more balance, collaboration, and people value collective progress not just individual “supremacy”. We’re all stupid
True. But again - with enough propaganda, it could be. And our shitheads in basically all of the European governments are hard at work to re-establish totalitarian regimes.
It’s up to the people to prevent that. We’ll see if today’s Europeans are as weak as Americans in defending their rights
I hope we're not, but I am afraid we are.
The anglo world has been living under Murdoch's propaganda for decades. He may be old and dying, but his family will likely do the same here in Europe. It'll take decades, but it'll happen.
Yep we know. Please send help. Heavily armed help.
Great. Were gonna save iran juat like we saved gaza! Cuba next!
Happy yet, sitouts?
If y’all don’t change ma diaper really soon…
Let's get you to bed, Diaper Don..
I don't think that's how you get someone to cooperate voluntarily.
Nevertheless, I thought Pete Hegseth said the Strait is open already save for a totally minor obstacle to safe shipping, that Trump or anyone shouldn't worry about.
Technically it is open if you're paying in Chinese Yuan 😂
Fucking USA wars. Would he make such a big war, and threaten them with nuclear obliteration, if they weren't on the other side of the globe? No. Cowards.
And yes, many Iranian power plants are nuclear. Nice of you to not mention that, asshole potus.
Of course the fallout would still be bad - not only for US "allies" in Europe but also in the US. But realizing that would require some mental effort so it doesn't count.
None of them are. It was always a mistake for them to accept Russia's help towards a peaceful energy program, because Israel evil would permanently make accusations as path to this war. There is a plant under construction which was hit yesterday.
???
At the very least this one seems to be working normally. Also see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_facilities_in_Iran
TIL... I'm not sure Bushear 1 is operational through war. AFAIU, they struck the incomplete Bushear 2 a couple of days ago.
going full Putin ?
This feels more “Full Netanyahu” to me. Putin is calculating and cold. Netanyahu seems to have a flair for cruelty.
Both of the other guys are fairly intelligent though.
As a US citizen I wonder if this is how 1930s Germans felt?
Well except a large portion of us feel the orange shit gibbon is a moron, surrounded by sycophantic morons and kakistocrats.
And a large portion of Germans also felt that hitler was a moron, surrounded by sycophantic morons and kakistocrats.
Actualt as the nazi party never won the majority of seats the us is actually more complainant to the current regime.
The idea that Hitler was some sort of genius supervillain is a myth mostly propagated by movies and video games. It’s a shame, because I think this notion made it more difficult for many people to understand what trump was as he was clawing at power.
In reality, Hitler was an incompetent moron, and the similarities with trump are uncanny.
I wonder how it feels to be a holocaust survivour in the Untied States right now. I don't know how many holocaust survivours are left, they're all really old by now. Just imagine surviving the concentration camps and moving to the Untied States where things are peaceful by comparison. And then, at the end of your life, right before you die, you watch the Untied States fall to a new generation of nazis, watch the same horrible patterns repeating all over again
Good question but damn that’s depressing.
Sadly, the world isn’t going to so anything about it. The World has more or less greenlit Israel’s genocide. If anything the world is going to run and support the US in reopening the Strait to allow the flow of oil.
The oil must flow.
Is this winding down the war?
Add it to the pile over there... gestures out of the window to a heap that closely resembles mount Everest
I'm not sure if he's really thought this one through.
Doesn't look like he's left himself a lot of wiggle room to back down.
I don't think Iran is going to comply.
edit: I kinda wonder why Iran isn't pushing a lot harder to manipulate public opinion. Fake photos of petrol prices. Rumours of fuel shortages. Rumours about the Trump family profiting somehow. Rumours that Bibi was going to release unredacted Epstein Kompromat. Plans to draft people for war in Iran. Even the dems could be doing this really.
They do. I have seen public statements by Iranian officials, and even memes (mostly AI), here on lemmy.
But they're mostly in Parsi and Arabic, since that's the audience they care about. Iran is trying to end the US threat against them, which probably means removing US bases in the Middle East and getting the Gulf powers on their side. So they don't talk about rising fuel prices, they talk about Palestine, the massacre of the schoolgirls, and freedom in general.
It does not need to be fake photos. The financial cost is real, a trump is blatant about his family corruption.
Even if there was a media campaign the USA is a controlled media, so it wouldn’t be shown, if it did people would either forgive it because USA is always a winner attitude or they would disassociate blame AI etc.
You had citizens being shot and that was not enough to provoke a turn around.
And so shortly after he fooled so many with his latest ‘winding down’ statement.
He plays 3D checkers, bro.
(Not a single person on earth believed that fat old evil stupid fuck when he said that.)
Iran: fuck off pedo.
So I have a crackpot theory.....
The Mueller tweet and now this, I'm starting to actually believe this isn't Trump at all, and this is a team conspiring to 25th him and give them an out of the Iran situation.
Like "ok, we admit it he's gone nuts, so whoopsie and Iran don't worry we will make this right so let's just settle down now"
I think this is Trump. He hears the footsteps coming, so he's getting desperate, and doing anything he can to stop the inevitable.
Great. A demented, desperate octogenarian criminal piece of shit human with his thumb on the nuclear trigger. Good job all you asshole voters!
He could try what Adolf did when the walls were closing in on him. That might be the only thing he could do this week to boost his approval numbers.
He would absolutely launch the nukes before doing what you're suggesting.
He can't actually do this. This would turn a lot of fencesitters against the USA, and give them a very clear and legally justifiable reason to do so.
I mean, in no way am I super confident in this theory but there is something off to me about how egregious his posts were today.
Oh yeah the orange turd only does logical and legal things have you not been paying attention?
I have, and that's my point.
Obviously he's done stupid shit. But as far as I can see, this is the only time he's issued such a specific threat with a agressively specific deadline....ever? And it happens to be an obvious and very serious war crime.
And right after a tweet that goes out of its way to be extremely tasteless, even for Trump.
It's just...off. His bluster doesn't usually scare me, at all. This one scares me.
Right. Since he's been much worse than usual today, I'm thinking he had a bad meeting with his lobbyist friends this morning, and all of them said, "Get this shit solved or we're impeaching your ass and getting something figured out with Vance".
And Trump doesn't care about fencesitters. He's hoping he'll come out ahead should he keep the lobbyists on his side.
Have you not seen all of his recent responses which are, verbatim, "I can do whatever I want."?
Oh I'm aware of what he thinks. But that rarely reflects reality.
Yea I know I would totally trust a country that killed my family, continues to bomb me, and murdered a school full of kids simply because "whoopsie doopsie the guy running the show was out of his mind"
They can but Iran isnt going to back down for a promise.
Seems to be 2 Trump options that tie into what was reported as extortion of GCC for $5T for war, 2.5T for peace. It doesn't so much have to be a bribe as the outcome of each option.
US withdraws, leaving Gulf security to rest of world. = loss of past US support for their regimes. CIA/Mossad is very good at making colour revolutions in countries that are not loving of the USA. ie. all recognized democracies.
War crimes against Iranian civilians. IRGC destroys GCC water infrastructure, and keeps them blockaded of food and money including more damage to energy exporting capacity. Oil to $300+
The entirety of the US colonial world rulerships need a longer debate on whether US/Israel alliance is worth preserving over the US resorting to war crimes to avoid quickly losing the war, but risking far more permanent global destruction.
World fixing Gulf security without US is easy, and better than any longer war. EU shouldn't care if it pays for oil in CNY. GCC still siding against Iran after the war started makes their destruction deserved. Ending US empire is their path to not face colour revolutions, and directly fighting Israel in response to colour revolution agitation is their path to get population on their side.
Should be a natural alliance with countries that offer useful trade, instead of political capture by the wealthiest. This is a moment for world to restrain/distance itself from US power, and will expose the corruption of colonial system if not. The same applies to Israel's master relationship to US, where Americans may not understand the benefit of supporting genocidal evil, that will be directed towards them, eventually.
What do the Gnu C Compiler and Chinese New Years have to do with the Strait of Hormuz?
GCC are Gulf Cooperation Council states. Countries on the east side of Persian Gulf. CNY is Chinese Yuan currency.
I've spent 10 minutes trying to come up with a punchline for this and nothing works.
I mean, if you spend enough time with any of them you'll probably see something explode...
Omg. I read that at first as “Tran’s power plant”. If there was such a thing — he’d attack it.
Is trump threatening all of this because he brutally raped those girls? You call that presidential?
He's gonna count to three