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Tech hobbyist makes shoulder-mounted guided missile prototype with $96 in parts and a 3D printer — DIY MANPADS includes Wi-Fi guidance, ballistics calculations, optional camera for tracking

Tech hobbyist makes shoulder-mounted guided missile prototype with $96 in parts and a 3D printer — DIY MANPADS includes Wi-Fi guidance, ballistics calculations, optional camera for trackinghttps://www.tomshardware.com/3d-printing/tech-hobbyist-makes-shoulder-mounted-guided-missile-prototype-with-usd96-in-parts-and-a-3d-printer-diy-manpads-includes-wi-fi-guidance-ballistics-calculations-optional-camera-for-trackingOpen linkView original on mander.xyz
lemmy.world

Great... can't wait for politicians to use this as a way to pass "common sense" legislation banning 3D printers.

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Janxreply
piefed.social

Aren't they already doing that due to their hysteria over "ghost" guns?

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piefed.social

I learned from Mario that ghosts can only harm you if you look away. They never had guns, but I guess the same applies for that.

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teyrnonreply
sh.itjust.works

Trying to yes. I think it's model legislation, probably ALEC bs, if I recall CA tried to pass it and hasn't yet. Maybe a year back.

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Cethinreply
lemmy.zip

Well, that's the excuse at least. The law would have to effectively kill 3D printing. Is that the goal? Idk.

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village604reply
adultswim.fan

They can try, but the parts that make up a printer are used in tons of other applications. It isn't hard to build one from scratch.

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apftwbreply
lemmy.world

I wonder how they intend to add DRM to a stepper motor.

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And just like age verification it's useless because one can build a 3d printer out of an old VCR and a hot glue gun.

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They're already trying that in New York and California, unfortunately. "Any 3D printer capable of printing parts for firearms" was the verbage, from what I recall.

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They already are over 3d guns, this will send them ballistic. They want every printer to keep a record of everything they've printed. Model legislation, I think CA tried and so far failed to pass it.

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Samskarareply
sh.itjust.works

You don’t need to ban 3D printers. Restrictions and licensing requirements for making, using, owning rockets and guidance software are enough.

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chocratesreply
piefed.world

His guidance is just wifi cameras talking to it. Not sure it even is using gps.

To ban stuff like this you have to ban a lot of useful tech

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Truscapereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

This already would fall under an FFL for legal citizens anyway. As is the nature of the internet though, this open design will be preserved and available for those who seek it.

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Samskarareply
sh.itjust.works

Yes. I am actually surprised we haven’t seen a major terrorist attack in a western country using remote controlled or autonomous drones for example. The technology has been available for years now.

3D printed home made guns like the FGC-9 and Urutau have been around for a while now, but remain marginal in gun crime.

As you say, the cat is out the bag and on the internet forever. However homemade guns and instructions on how to make them have been around for decades.

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Most western terrorist attacks are by opportunistic losers who don’t have the knowledge or motivation to do something like this.

They’d rather drive a car into people who make them angry and use a gun they already own.

As for organized groups until recently there have been any good reason for an attack from any centrally organized group.

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socsareply
piefed.social

The lack of simple attacks on soft targets is proof that the threat is overstated and that a statistically overwhelming portion of humans simply don't want to put bombs on busses and rig them to explode on bridges or in tunnels.

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There is also survivorship bias. Who knows how many attacks have been prevented that we do not know about.

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eleitlreply
lemmy.zip

Ukraine and Russia are western countries. Narco cartels have started using fpv drones, too.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Being in that category just prevents it from being sold. It's not illegal federally to build your own weapon without a FFL.

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Truscapereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Is that the same rule for destructive devices? Genuinely curious - I know privately made firearms have different rules.

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frongtreply
lemmy.zip

No, for a destructive device you have to file a form 1.

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Ah, thanks for the clarification. Granted I live in a state where this is unobtanium officially anyway.

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3D printers are even less useful here though. The rocket bit can be replaced with a cardboard tube and some balsa fins. The important parts are the active control and circuitry.

But I guess logic doesn't really enter into the conversation anyway.

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lemmy.world

I wonder if there is some archive or torrent for STL files, like an archive of thingiverse or something. Would be nice to archive that just in case.

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Is that even necessary? Anyone with a CAD tool can recreate the 3D printed parts from a glance and a few specs.

It's literally a tube. Which—to be fair—is a "weapon of mass destruction" according to President Bush (the other war criminal president).

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lemmy.world

Notably absent... the explosives.

But sure, if you are wondering how folks out in Yemen or Gaza managed to retaliate against their oppressors for so long, this is a textbook example of how and why. What's being proposed is collection of technology we've had since at least the 1960s that's slowly made its way into civilian circulation.

Also...

Khojayev's just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record

I mean, we're seeing what "just-launched prototypes with no effective track record" have accomplished on the Ukraine-Russia front-lines and it's a decidedly mixed bag.

I think a harder question to answer is "Who would be interested in putting one of these into practical use?" And that gets to the real value-add of a Stinger MANPAD. Namely, the humans willing and practiced enough to use it.

Also - and again, this cannot be overstated - the model above has no explosives installed. Idk how confident I'd be around one of these things if it was actually armed.

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FauxLivingreply
lemmy.world

It's not a MANPAD really.

The sensor package has no IR sensor (or radar unit) and no way to proximity fuse.

It has GPS, accelerometer and barometric pressure. It's more like a rocket powered artillery shell than an anti-air weapon.

Or, given the lack of payload, it's more like a high speed burrito delivery device.

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lemmy.world

it’s more like a high speed burrito delivery device.

See, now you've got my interest.

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sudoshakesreply
reddthat.com

I synthesize energetics. I can make a primary explosive that is stable enough for cap usage with a solo cup. I can synthesize secondaries like RDX above (one of the more complicated common ones) in short order with a basic chemistry set and the internet to order basic reagents. None are controlled substances.

It is trivially easy to make effective shapes charges and energetics at home.

Synthesis is federally legal in the US so long as you do not assemble into a device or transport. You can do both with an SOT as an FFL.

If I wanted to, I could make a shaped charge that was point imitated and base detonated for the above projectile and it would punch through about 1.5 feet of homogeneously rolled steel.

The limit to threat is not the access to explosives, as the chemistry and processes are published freely online as easy to replicate. The drone parts and control surface actuation is by far harder and I say this as someone who has a professional background in computer science and software engineering.

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lemmy.world

It is trivially easy to make effective shapes charges and energetics at home.

Safely?

If I wanted to, I could

You've got enough information to try to execute the above formula. Okay. And you've still got all your fingers after attempting this... more than zero times?

The drone parts and control surface actuation is by far harder and I say this as someone who has a professional background in computer science and software engineering.

Absolutely. We invented gunpowder centuries before we invented airplanes.

That said... as an anecdote, I had a friend who had a janitorial position. Cleaning a particularly stubborn toilet and dumped a bunch of bleach into the bowl. His coworker came in behind him and proceeded to piss in said boil, creating a toxic miasma that forced them to exit the restroom quickly and heavily ventilate it before returning.

"I could cook up some blasting caps with the trash from a frat party" is a theoretically believable claim.

"Every time I clean up a frat party, I add a dozen shaped charges to my inventory" is not.

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Safely? Yes.

Keep the reaction stirring under ice and if you see the temp rise above 15 C you dump the whole thing in a water bucket or you get a runaway exothermic reaction that is never good with a high explosive forming crystals in the solution.

If you are stupid, don’t ventilate, or are stupid stupid it will light your shed on fire and potentially kill you.

That’s why you work at lab scale, and why you always keep your reactions under the temp limits with acids added slowly.

Basic chemistry safety covers all the bases here.

My preferred blasting caps are nickel guanidine based. I can play with the crystal morphology to produce small more friction inert powder and it is an extremely simple synthesis.

You can use reloading press combined with highly suggested lexan sheet as a blast shield and wooden block to gently press the powder into caps. China sells packs of 1000 electrical ignition assemblies for $40 that you can then set off with a COTS or a clacker.

I cannot emphasize enough that working at small scale and knowing what you are doing are important, but in faster time than it takes to print the parts for that drone you can absolutely complete the reaction, do some recrystalizstion, dry your product,and be ready to mix with plasticizer.

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sobchakreply
programming.dev

I had a friend who had a janitorial position. Cleaning a particularly stubborn toilet and dumped a bunch of bleach into the bowl. His coworker came in behind him and proceeded to piss in said boil, creating a toxic miasma that forced them to exit the restroom quickly and heavily ventilate it before returning.

Lol, I've done that before in my apartment. Guessing it's the same thing as an ammonia-bleach reaction.

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Oh the ones from BPS space are even more impressive with adjust on the fly tracking to 3D points and launched from a VLS he made himself.

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I don't know why I feel the need to let everyone know the US trained birds to guide bombs in WWII. It seems relevant.

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eleitlreply
lemmy.zip

Plastic explosive triggered by electrodetonator is quite safe.

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Riskablereply
programming.dev

You don't need explosives. It has a spot in the front for a camera. One of the new microcontrollers with AI accelerators can do face recognition extremely quickly. It would be possible to use it as an assassination tool.

Even if you changed nothing about the design, the speed and mass of the thing hitting a person in the face could kill.

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As the bps space YouTube channel has shown, reliability is paramount in any launch, especially a guided launch.

That and people duck when shit flies at them, unless it's supersonic, which again, as bps space has shown, control of a supersonic flight is extremely difficult to get right.

This is a guy who landed a hobby rocket like a tesla booster.

But at $100 a pop, you could have backups. (or payloads)

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It would be possible to use it as an assassination tool.

Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record

:-/

I think

it’s more like a high speed burrito delivery device.

Is a more accurate assessment.

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lemmy.world

You can deploy a lot of $96 semi-effective hardware and improve it vs something that might be thousands or even tens or hundreds of thousands to deploy.

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lemmy.world

You can deploy a lot of $96 semi-effective hardware

Khojayev’s just-launched prototype has no effectiveness track record

:-/

I mean, time will tell. To date, this particular iteration of technology has a 0% success rate in doing anything but farming clicks.

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lightnsfwreply
reddthat.com

We got another scary 3d printer headline for dumbass politicians to use as justification for regulating them!

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FauxLivingreply
lemmy.world

There isn't much there that can't be done with PVC and bent aluminum sheeting.

Hamas famously uses water pipes for their rockets (no idea about the propellant, payload or control systems though)

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lightnsfwreply
reddthat.com

Don't expect a bunch of moron politicians to understand that though. They'll see this and think it's a golden opportunity to "PRoTEcT tHE chILdREn!"

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FauxLivingreply
lemmy.world

Unless they're going to ban heating elements and stepper motors I'm not too worried.

It probably wouldn't be too good for Bambu Lab so I wish them luck in their lobbying effort. They could buy a veto from Trump for a few hundred thousand USD in the worst case.

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I mean, yeah, that's why regulating it is stupid. But it will still cause problems for a lot of people if they start fucking with them. Not everyone has the time/talent to build their own 3d printer. It took me months to get mine working back when I did it and it was a kit. Trump can't veto state laws.

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feddit.org

Notably absent… the explosives.

https://xkcd.com/651/

Not my area of expertise, so please tell me if the idea is complete garbage. With that being said: Theoretically, could the LiPo Battery that's already in there anyway be turned into an explosive payload by intentionally overheating and puncturing it on impact?

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lemmy.world

Not my area of expertise, so please tell me if the idea is complete garbage.

Turning a laptop battery into a weapon is a non-trivial endeavor. The absurdity of TSA was more their attempt to police based on weak science than the real danger of an airplane full of lithium battery powered devices.

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Not really an answer to you, just writing it here in case anyone else interested is still reading along:

I looked up some numbers and apart from the practical challenges of making a battery "go boom" in a controlled way it seems like the energy density to even make this a hypothetical option just isn't there. Even the best LiPo batteries don't quite reach 1 MJ/kg while gunpowder has ~3 MJ/kg, and numbers only go up from there for more modern chemical explosives.

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sh.itjust.works

The United States has a variant of the AGM-114 Hellfire missile that replaces the explosive warhead with six scimitar blades. Because fuck That Guy, the whole That Guy and nothing but the That Guy.

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

Which would come as a surprise to hundreds of dead Iranian schoolgirls.

Turns out the military under Trump is more a "fuck that town in particular" affair.

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sh.itjust.works

You know, I'm still struggling to believe the story I've been told about that. "The US bombed an elementary school."

For my entire life, the US has demonstrated precision munitions. The AGM-114 Ginsu is an air-to-ground laser-guided rocket that can kill an individual passenger in a car. We can fly a Tomahawk cruise missile into a specific window of a building. I've seen a bridge in Iraq bombed seconds after the last car crossed. Not saying GI Joe is a paragon of virtue, I've seen the pictures from Abu Ghraib, but...That shit sounds a lot more like Israel than us.

Even in the "no kill like overkill" "We don't target coordinates, we target grid squares" "enemy fire is coming from that way, destroy that way" United States, that shit sounds a lot more like Israel than us.

We're certainly attacking Iran because Israel wanted us to.

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cabillaudreply
lemmy.world

Lol. And that one village in Afghanistan you leveled, looks like who did it?

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lemmy.world

One of the stills from one of the videos that the BBC showed identifying it as a Tomahawk showed it at a very un-cruise-missile way up, so it could just have malfunctioned during terminal guidance or been clipped but not destroyed by air defence, and then hit the wrong target. It could also just have been a governmenty-looking building close enough to an intended target that whoever was checking it didn't notice it wasn't the target. It's a lot easier to get everything right when the whole mission is to hit one person with one missile when everyone's got enough time to do their job perfectly and everything's been rehearsed than when there are thousands of targets and people are doing things in a rush, especially if orders are coming from people who don't care about international law.

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Based on some reports, they used a decade old intel when that facility was used as a military compound.

It would take seconds to verify, with satelite imagery, that this was a school.

Trump admin also fired the department which was responsible for minimizing civilian casualties in an event like this. Cuz it was too "woke".

Even if none of that was true, saying "it was israel" still feels like shifting the blame.

Even if it was israel, US military is mega complicit for not saying out loud it was israel.

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lemmy.today

I have this idea: Scientists some time ago, discovered they could knot light into loops.

Would it be possible to make a curved laser for laser artillery?

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lemmy.world

Certainly possible. But you're still stuck on the r^2^ problem of diminishing returns at a distance. Light doesn't like staying in a tight beam. The vortex loop is typically not much bigger than the wavelength. I don't see much of a solution for transmitting energy long distances through air.

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lemmy.zip

Atomize* some propelant, boom, explosive.

* english choose the dumbest word for "zerstäuben".

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lemmy.world

Atomize* some propelant, boom, explosive.

The trick is to get the atomized propelant to "boom, explosive" at the target and not in your backpack.

Also, you probably want a "boom" sufficient to accomplish whatever demolition you're planning, which - again - raises the stakes regarding what's in your backpack.

There's a classic little film called "The Wages of Fear" that explores the hazards of amateurs transporting high explosives over long distances.

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Tannerite comes to mind. It explodes from a high impact, and little else. I'm not sure what sort of yield you'd get. That stuff mostly just makes a pop and smoke.

I have heard of people using it on stubborn tree stumps, but that's several pounds of the stuff.

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lemmy.zip

I mean, spray the leftover fuel into the oxygen-filled head only on target? It wouldn't stay atomized for long anyway. And for the boom, the shell needs only be strong enough. Wouldn't that work?

Sure, there's more effective explosives.

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Wouldn’t that work?

Idk, you wanna find out?

Listen, if you've got the specs for military ordinance and want to say "We've done this a thousand times, it works fine" that's one thing.

But it's very much another to just wave your hands and announce "you know, the boom-boom juice goes here and the detonator goes there and it'll probably do something."

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Atomize, from the original Ancient Greek adjective atomos, meaning "uncuttable" or "indivisible".

Seems pretty apt to me. You have rendered it into its smallest constituent pieces through physical means, any further reduction requires chemical processes, or high energy physics. Coincidentally, a simple spark provides both.

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frongtreply
lemmy.zip

Does that literally mean "make dust"? I think "powderize" might be a better translation in this context, if it's a solid, or "aerosolize" if it's a liquid. I've never been a big fan of the word "atomize" in any case.

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I’ve never been a big fan of the word “atomize” in any case.

Mate, I'll have you know some of my relatives are made of atoms

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lemmy.today

Imagine spending thousands of dollars stockpiling assault rifles and ammo for your revolution only to have your entire milita wiped out when some nerd with a $100 homemade missile blows-up the UHaul you all piled in the back of.

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lemmy.world

All the MAGA civil war two types forget about the nerds. Nerds win wars now.

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Only idiots bring a gun to a drone fight. However, it is perfectly acceptable to bring your limited edition Andúril replica to finish off any boogaloos that were merely wounded. 1d8 slashing (1d10 if using it two-handed).

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lemmy.world

Clearly it’s just a big-ass gun that shoots 5000 caliber rounds. So it’s protected by the 2nd Amendment.

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frongtreply
lemmy.zip

Against invading homes? Do you get those a lot in your area?

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nandeEbisureply
lemmy.world

There's an anecdote that comes up in software about people working on missile software not caring about memory leaks because it's going to explode anyway before that becomes an issue.

Who cares about bugs in your software if it's a hobby project that's going to blow up anyway.

Also, including Claude doesn't inherently mean vibe coded, it can be for writing tests, small components, or debugging.

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skibidireply
lemmy.world

Tests should be written from requirements. Using LLMs to write tests after the code is written (probably also by LLMs) is a huge anti-pattern:

The model looks at what the code is doing and writes tests that pass (or fail because they bungle the setup). What the model does not do, is understand what the code needs to do and write tests that ensure that functionality is present and correct.

Tests are the thing that should get the most human investment because they anchor the project to its real-world requirements. You will have tons more confidence in your vibe coded appslop if you at least thought through the test cases and built those out first. Then, whatever the shortcomings of the AI codebase, if the tests pass you can know it is doing something right.

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Honestly, never been on a team that stuck to TDD. As you test your stuff, and understand whatever libraries and apis you're calling you modify your implementation as you go.

For public facing methods, especially ones called by customers, having pre agreed upon tests matter more but usually that's at the integration test and system test level. I usually use AI for unit testing and read what was written. Tests end up being a lot of writing harnesses and setting up mocks that you delegate to the model and if there's gaps or incorrect requirements, you change them.

I would never let the agent define the code structure. It doesn't understand business processes or what might need to be extended or we're instead about.

I've been doing software for a while, I know how to review code. I don't vibe code, I let the model implement boilerplate and mapping functions while I do other stuff, like manual testing or talking with product. If done correctly, you can incorporate generative models into your workflows without fully handing over all control.

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lemmy.world

Using an LLM to write tests and small components is still vibe coding.

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8oow3291dreply
feddit.dk

Wikipedia says:

Vibe coding involves accepting AI-generated code without reviewing it,

If you are using LLMs to write e.g. small components, then you are typically understanding the structure of the program, and reviewing it.

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lemmy.world

There's nothing inherent to small components to suggest that you have to review them. If they're small, it's easier to tell yourself that the LLM probably got them right and you're justified in not checking.

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Bro, if I don't have to sit there for a half hour banging out code to map structure A on to structure B, I won't. I'll let someone else write it and spend 5 minutes to check that the code is clean and it works

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Vibe coding is you not reviewing what the model outputs. I read every line, often give feedback and tell the model about patterns I want to use.

I probably write like 60-70% of the code myself.

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No matter how mad this makes people, its still true.

What makes the code actually useful in most cases however, is enough understanding of the program to modify as its needed. That's where LLMs fall flat. Even when the code works, its terrible at adjusting the code to fit a specific use case. Dont even get met started on usable documentation or maintenance.

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I disagree about better code. Claude has been pretty bad at understanding external context and deriving why you're doing something from the implementation. This can result in wonky structure that you need to fix, or at the very least tell Claude to redo over and over untill it looks clean and organized.

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Good then that they haven't put explosives in it yet.

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Zozanoreply
aussie.zone

::: spoiler spoiler Because Australia is Australia I'll preface this with: this is a joke. Any depictions of high profile/high net-worth individuals in my area are strictly fictional and any resemblances are merely coincidental. :::

Anyone got some high profile/high net-worth individuals in my area?

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pastermilreply
sh.itjust.works

just go to a junkyard and get some dead cars if you just need something to blow up.

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lemmy.world

Can't wait for the next Luigi to use one of these on an Epstein CEO. Polymarket, please let me make that bet.

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lemmy.wtf

If you can get the target out in the open, an old school pipe bomb from just gun powder and stuff from the hardware store on a drone is easier. Im sure for $1000 you too can become a patron saint.

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Well said! I just appreciate the visual of Fox News covering someone named Mario firing a homemade shoulder mounted missile into the executive floor of Twitter HQ. It's funnier than ever now that it's actually plausible.

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It really does feel like a random Colin video drop haha

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lemmy.world

This wont scare the think of the children crowd at all.

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MehBlahreply
lemmy.world

They are not afraid of the phallus . They fear the vginy.

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If I'm understanding this correctly, this is more valuable to underfunded military forces but not for the 3d printed ghost gun types. This doesn't include propellent or explosives, which are the controlled parts. That's awesome though.

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I assure you those do not magically translate to rocket propellent and high grade secondary explosives.

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That's fucking nuts.

I have a lot of thoughts, but all I can really say is that's fucking nuts.

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einkornreply
feddit.org

In case you haven't done so already I suggest reading The Ministry for the Future.

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infosec.pub

I started that one but fell off pretty quickly after that brutal opening chapter. I think it was too heavy to read in the middle of COVID. Thanks for reminding me, I'll give it another go. 

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Yeah, the first chapter is hard to swallow, and compared to that the next ones feel kind of underwhelming. The book often changes pace, however there are no more gut punches like the first chapter, if that is what you are concerned about.

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lemmy.zip

Neat. I wonder if there is anything you can use as a warhead without it becoming a destructive device. Chalk rounds?

I'm also curious to know the rocket velocity compared to actual MANPADS. I'll have to watch the videos later because I'm also curious about whether they're independent or require the launching laptop to stay connected.

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Velocity and range are also my main questions, as well as tracking quality and speed. The video doesn’t demonstrate it hitting a flying target.

Common MANPADS like Stinger, Strela, etc. use infrared tracking. The seekers are high performance and fast but need complex supercooling with gas. Using a MANPADS you only have seconds, to arm, aim and track, then fire the missile against a fast moving target before it‘s out of range. These can hit low flying supersonic jets.

Still this project is very impressive and hints at the possibility to build cheap low end MANPADS that can target slow moving strike and observation drones, maybe helicopters.

It’s another indicator, that mass produced cheap precision weapons are a major trend in warfare.

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Truscapereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Potentially could be used for things like spreading flame-retardent powder for putting out a wildfire or similar with more precision. Would also remove the risk of a human life in firefighting so areas might be cleared quicker.

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frongtreply
lemmy.zip

I don't see a lot of info on payload in that article. Forest fires are big. You'd need an enormous fleet of drones to be effective.

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I can contribute that the goal with the drones is to help contain small fires before they spread - they aren't there to stop the fires, just slow them down until humans can get there with the serious equipment.

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This is the same kind of thing the local Airsofters were building with an arduino and a few hats a decade ago. It's not a functional "weapon" it's just a hobby rocket with fins (that admittedly looks real fun to shoot)

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"Do you have natural freckles or did you use that shoulder-mounted guided missile prototype again?"

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lemmy.world

I wish the video actually had him using it to hit a drone or something. As is, it only shows one actual launch, and it didn't look all that impressive. His motors didn't seem to have enough umph to let the missile stabilize properly.

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teyrnonreply
sh.itjust.works

Yeah it didn't say what type of propellant either. I know you can juice it with things like aluminum dust mixed in there. Oxygen and Propane with AL dust would kick.

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frongtreply
lemmy.zip

One of the links says it's KNO3 and sugar

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teyrnonreply
sh.itjust.works

Salt Petre? And Sugar, not all that different from the first rockets.

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khanniereply
lemmy.world

Potassium nitrate and sugar just as proof of concept. The first video is worth a look. He's released another but I haven't had a chance to check it yet.

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testfactorreply
lemmy.world

Has he released another video? I only see one on his YouTube page.

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khanniereply
lemmy.world

Oh weird. I subscribed and got notifications but swiped them at the time.

Ok I just checked and they're still there for me....

Edit: The other videos are all shorts.

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Violence is only the last resort, but Americans should learn to make DIY weapons in case another civil war breaks out, because it is unlikely that Donald will concede power when the time comes.

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Let's just remember the great lessons of history: Never cavalry charge a formed infantry, if the war involves Vietnam in ANY way, join the Vietnamese side, and halberds are the pinnacle of melee weapons.

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sh.itjust.works

Lawmakers “ban 3d printers!”

Us “we’ll just something else then”

Lawmakers ban owning things!

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Avicennareply
programming.dev

No you see, if arms companies own all the rights regarding distribution of 3D printer tech then it is a constitutional right to produce guns with printers, if not then it is terrorism.

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GOP: “everything I don’t like terrorism” Us: “wasn’t it woke last year?” GOP: “this is completely different because I said so”

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lemmy.world

Damn and the Dept of Fucked Up Wars pays $1 to 1.3 million for a Tomahawk cruise missile. I am fully aware MANPADS are much smaller.

The article below the DIY MANPADs was interesting too. MIT researchers used a 3D printer to build an electric motor!

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A Tomahawk cruise missile is 5m tall, Printing that would take quite some time.

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sh.itjust.works

Finally i can print m'y own rpg and play half life in real life

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Appoxoreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

While yes, I agree there is one issue: If Ukraine can have it, everyone will get it.
Which (in this case) is not so good

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

To a degree this is inevitable, though. Pipe bombs and general IEDs have existed for much longer than this creation, and we've long passed the point where the average individual can easily create reliable firearms and ammunition within their own home (FOSSCAD).

This is just the logical conclusion of those who wish to design a more refined and precise IED.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Claymore or so, sure.
But aint this essentially shoulder mortars (or RPGs?)? I don't think we had achieved this level yet.

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3D printed (or hybrid material/improvised from everyday object) grenade launchers have existed for a very long time - just usually called "flare launchers" for obvious reasons.

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lemmy.world

"MANPADS" sound like incontinence product exclusively marketed for men.

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I love that we have democratized makers such that this stuff can be built. I wish it didn't "have" to be used to kill each other.

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sh.itjust.works

PLA? I didn't see what type of propellant mentioned in the parts list posted to comments either. Someone said it didn't look like it was going that fast.

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Those anti trans protestors are about to find out what happens when you mix glitter and 3d printing

I wouldn’t

(I will)

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