Good point. But there should be a protocol to prevent innocent victims. Perhaps some way to clearly advertise that the bunker is free of infection by any original Epstein class owners...
Water, concrete, metal; halothane, sevo or carfent and naloxone if you want them alive.
You can find air intakes with smoke or microphone array cameras. Construction equipment is fleet keyed if you want to live out your Apocalypse dream and bulldoze or excavate.
Small number of secure entrances. A lifetime supply of batteries and solar kits. Tons of shelf stable food and drink. Clothing. Tacky home decor to make the apocalypse feel more homey.
Fully stocked pharmacy, comfy mattresses, tvs and video games, car batteries and inverters to run the entertainment, and sometimes even citrus trees to prevent scurvy.
Downside is that without power to the building you have a lot of work to do to dump all the fresh food before it stinks up the place. That dairy cooler alone would get disgusting real quick.
I assume floating, like a corpse? That's far from swimming though. Also, to get into a ship you generally need to climb a ladder too. It being on the water means it can move though, so you can change locations when needed.
As long as they aren't evil magic zombies, I think the zombie threat is overrated.
As magic keeps those muscles moving, dehydration, infections, rigor mortis, and decaying flesh don't really matter. After all, the whole point of magic is to violate the laws of physics and chemistry. With the other types though, decaying flesh does matter, which means that the problem will solve itself within a few days. Just keep the doors locked and windows closed in the meanwhile.
If you happen to be outdoors camping when the outbreak occurs, you don't really have any doors and windows to keep you protected. If you have enough food to keep on camping for a few more days, you might be fine. After all, zombies are in the city, where there are lots of people. You're out in the woods, so you might miss the whole zombie apocalypse when you come back home a week later.
The larger threat is based on if they are virus zombies, and not living-dead zombies. To your point, living-dead zombies will just deteriorate are die off. But virus zomies have a chance of still being able to survive for long periods of time. There's also increased threat depending on how the virus is transmitted, it's lifespan outside the body, mutations, so forth.
The way viral zombies are depicted in movies and games, they seem to lack basic survival instincts. That’s going to make them vulnerable to dehydration, which will stop their conquest within a few days. Infected wounds are the next problem they’ll face if they somehow manage to drink enough water.
I don't know where the best options are for sure, but one perk of a (sail) yacht is that, unless port facilities are specifically a problem, even if some place other than a yacht is the best place to be, the yacht is probably one of the better places to get at least near the place in question.
One downside: I don't know how much maintenance a sail yacht requires. Like, I don't know long long one could last without access to spare parts. The ocean puts physical stress on boats, and saltwater is corrosive. Boats aren't usually designed for long-term operations away from land.
Another perk is that if the fuel production and distribution system breaks down, if what you have is a sail yacht, you probably have one of the present-day sailing vessels available, and I'd imagine that some level of sail-based trade could show up again; it was historically an important way to move goods around. You're probably comparatively-well suited to an "apocalypse economy" where transportation and distribution is degraded.
Joshua Slocum put in to port for several extensive refits on his boat over the course of his circumnavigation. (He famously did it solo for the first time around 1895.) Materials engineering had improved enough by 1968 to run the first solo, nonstop circumnavigation race, the Sunday Times Golden Globe Race.
Nowadays, the sea is still harsh. If one stayed in the less stormy locations, in more-northerly latitudes to avoid the full-bore tropical sun, one could reasonably expect to stay at sea without putting in to port for over a year. The biggest challange would be mental, as loneliness takes a huge toll, as does the bland diet required.
Maybe if it has sails. Otherwise you’re exposed each time you need to refuel at a port. But ferrying about between uninhabited islands for resources and sleeping on the boat sounds like a decent plan.
Well… If I knew how to sail, that is. Or tie proper knots.
It’s also assuming that the zombies can’t swim or walk on the seabed, which they usually can’t
At some point you have to assume that even if they can walk on the seabed that the physical pressure would just disintegrate their bodies. If the powers of necromantic reanimation can be overcome with a sword or a shotgun then surely several atmospheres of pressure applied across the entire body would do it.
I was just thinking given the choice I'd kick Zuck out of his apocalypse shelter on Maui. It's gotta have everything you'd need and Maui's pretty sparsely populated so there shouldn't be too many zombies to start with.
Will you have the security benefits that I think are being assumed? If your threat is human, then, yeah, being on an island is a big deal. But...if zombies don't need to breathe, can they just walk under the sea to an island?
Setting aside the direct issue of, say, being chomped by a zombie, one of the larger, immediate problems you face in a situation where you have infrastructure break down --- which I imagine a zombie apocalypse might cause --- is loss of potable water. Islands may not be the best place to go to get fresh water (though you could get salt water, and I imagine that one could use, oh, solar stills or whatever to desalinate).
There was a point in time where US military war planners did up a zombie apocalypse plan --- to have a fun theme, but the problems that a zombie apocalypse would pose aren't terribly far off the same kind of problems that you have to solve when doing war planning. Drinking water access played a prominent role.
CONPLAN 8888, also known as Counter-Zombie Dominance, is a U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) Strategic Command CONOP document that describes a plan for the United States and its military to defend against zombies in a fictional military training scenario.[1][2][3][4][5][6]
ii . (U) The following environmental factors apply to humans in this plan:
I. (U) Rain will be vitally important to human survival. If civil water supplies are cut off, humans will have to rely on other means to obtain water. Ground water from streams and rivers will be unreliable since it will be difficult to determine if ground water is a vector for zombie infection.
b. (U) Operational COG #2: Potable water sources (PWS)
i. (U) Zombies do not drink water, but humans do. Humans typically cannot survive longer than 10 days without fresh water. Zombies will likely be drawn to potable water sources by the presence of human food sources that zombies prey on . Zombies can be expected to contaminate potable water sources with various contaminants during these attacks further limiting the supply of available potable water for humans.
iv. (U) CR #4-Safe food, water, and fuel distribution network: Ultimately, healthy human populations and the forces protecting them will require the means to acquire, purify, and distribute foodstuffs , water and fuels for heat and machine operations. Failure to maintain security supporting the distribution networks and nodes for food, water and fuel will compromise the longevity of healthy humans; decrease the amount of time that humans can remain sheltered in place or barricaded from zombie threats and could cause competition for resources that will
undermine law and order. If compromised, the capabilities in this CR could undermine all the CCs in this plan.
a 1950s school building. they were built like castles. have wide open lawns and high towers. windows were at least a story above grade, and the glass had that mesh embedded inside.
any windows or doors that are at grade can easily be barricaded or already are with high grade steel cages.
bonus if there's an internal courtyard that can be used as a field for growing crops, water retention area, and just an outdoor exercise area.
schools already have a cafeteria and kitchen, showers, fitness and entertainment, first-aid and medical, an entire library, science/biological labs. many schools have also been retrofitted with solar panels as well.
a school is really the best place to hold up for any kind of natural disaster.
Flies and other insects would eat the flesh pretty quickly. No muscles, no movement, right? I think the zombies would stop walking within two days.
If they're evil magic zombies, you would still have a walking skeleton problem though. I suggest you bring a cleric with spells that inflict radiant damage. Bludgeoning damage (maces, hammers etc.) work pretty well too. Paladins and clerics and also use the turn undead ability, which will come in handy.
"Secure" as in "fortify it against zombies and potentially other threats"
Or as in "I can get to it and lay some sort of claim to it"
Because if it's the former, we probably need to put some restrictions on the scenario. That's really the hard part of this and we're just assuming we can do it, and your best bet is probably to secure as big of an area as possible. A city, a country, a whole hemisphere, or hell, the entire world or the solar system if we're being really silly.
If we're going with the latter, where we find a building or property of some kind and call "dibs" and the rest of it is up to us
I think a tech school is a pretty good bet, at least thinking of my local tech schools.
They have some fully stocked workshops with pretty much any tools and materials you could need- carpentry, plumbing, automotive, electrical, etc.
Maybe some kind of medical program, so probably a decent amount of meds and first aid equipment, in addition to whatever is in the nurse's office.
A culinary program, so you have a well equipped kitchen and probably a decent amount of food on-hand.
Maybe it even has some sort of agricultural program with some farming equipment, maybe even some ready-to-go planted crops and possibly livestock.
Most schools are fairly secure with limited entrances and locking doors often they have backup generators and maybe even solar these days (odds are any school with a decent electrical program at least has a few solar panels kicking around somewhere) and you have the tools and maybe the materials there to further fortify it as needed.
And it probably has some pretty beefy fire suppression systems since you have teenagers playing with welders and industrial stoves/ovens.
Some college campuses might be as good or better for the same reasons, with the added benefits of there probably being some purpose-made living quarters, but they're usually less compact, which has its plusses and minuses, more land to grow crops and such but harder to secure.
And if the apocalypse hits while school is in session, you have a bunch of young, hopefully reasonably-healthy people already on-hand to do some of the hard work if like me you're not quite as spry as you used to be.
Yeah but the materials you have to work with are a little limited. At least around me, Walmart doesn't carry much in the way of stuff like lumber, pipe, or other building materials, and there's gonna be some gaps in the tools available, I don't think most Walmarts carry welders around me, and even if they do you certainly wouldn't be able to get the gases you need for MIG/TIG welding there, and you might want that if you, for example, need to repair those steel shutters.
And most Walmarts around me actually don't carry guns.
And you can't grow too much food on a parking lot, you can try to work with containers and potting soil of course, but odds are a school is gonna have more land you can easily convert to a food plot or maybe even the plumbing parts to get some kind of hydroponics system going.
I don't know, the old zombie flick 'Shock Waves' (1977)... Not typical zombies but it made the island approach seem a little less viable to me. It's still better than my default choice of a mall.
Definitely a mega grocery store. Just have to secure all those entry points and loading docks, but it would last you at the minimum a couple of months. Most stocked canned food are 2-3 years out from expiring, so if you have enough of them in the store, you can last that long assuming the building is secure the entire time.
A highly secure remote location that I'm sure has some kind of bunker, no shortage of guns. A good place to start looking for what caused the zombies and how to cure them.
Having access to all the other secrets they keep is icing on the cake. I don't know how much I can get into without passwords but if I can tap into satellites or send messages to spies, that's also useful.
The Bar in North Muldraugh, Kentucky...oh sorry, you meant IRL and not in Project Zomboid..... Let's see...IRL...zombie apocalypse...got it...The Bar in North Muldraugh, Kentucky.
I speculate that in a real world zombie apocalypse scenario the zombies will probably be just one war crime out of many, Half Life 2 style, so it must be assumed that if you manage to fortify a location against zombies, that fortification is probably getting noticed by a drone and bombed or similar after not too long. Therefore instead of holing up, it would be a better strategy to focus on offense instead of defense in some way.
I got an old abandoned insane asylum on the top of a hill next to a naturally occurring spring kinda near me. You really couldn't ask for a better location. Farm on the roof.
You want someplace with the infrastructure to support lots of people (or a few people for a long time), but little local population to compete for those resources. National parks are generally well stocked, with water and lodging to support peak tourist season, but at least in the western US, most are pretty far from major metropolitan areas.
Grand Canyon and Yellowstone have a lot to offer in a zombie apocalypse.
My current location in rural Tasmania has some advantages. There would likely be a delay in the zombies getting here, so that gives us prep time. Low population density means fewer zombies to deal with when they do. Plenty of natural resources, food, and water.
My main issue is a lack of defensible buildings, but there are lots of wood mills so maybe something could be constructed.
The wildcard is Tassie devils, being a powerful scavenger species. Would they go for the walking corpses? If so, would they end up turning themselves, because I don't fancy dealing with zombie nocturnal marsupials with a bite that crushes bone.
From a security standpoint, if we're just talking zombies and assuming that the zombies can't climb, maybe a pre-cannon-era castle or similar fortification. I think that most of the things that obsoleted historic fortifications wouldn't really apply to zombies.
I don't mean one of the castle-themed buildings, like a folly. But something where you don't have any ground-level windows aside from slits, and probably has walls around it.
You may have defense-in-depth (multiple layers of walls or building structure, with the building and walls designed to permit a retreat to an inner area if an outer area is compromised).
Cisterns for freshwater storage are likely already present (though I've no idea what condition they might be in) so you don't need to get ahold of more storage.
Ample room for storage.
I guess the major issue might be the degree to which any fortifications might have been converted for public-access use. I don't know how many gates and porticullises might have been removed or disabled over the years because they aren't really necessary if the fortification is essentially a museum.
A bridge. Destroy the entrance on both sides, build a draw bridge in its place. This is assuming youre not worried about human enemies, which are always the real threat.
At my home. It's where all my supplies are. I have just enough that I can just sit out the first few weeks of absolute chaos and then I'll see where I go from there. I'd probably try and find a remote summer cabin somewhere by a lake which hopefully has solar power already installed but if not, I'll figure it out. Main thing that it's remote and has a wood stove and access to food and water. Hopefully in two floors as well so that I can collapse the stairs and sleep safely upstairs.
The old food warehouse I worked at. They installed 1100+ solar panels on the roof to offset the huge cost of running giant freezers during summer.
There is more than enough food for not only making food for myself but also to trade with other people to make a community work. Also only a few entrances for security.
In almost any crisis any population centre is going to be an absolute shit show.
OTOH being by yourself in the wilderness is also challenging. Even if you know a place with good fishing or something where you think you could support yourself - you probably couldn't when 1,000 other people are thinking of the same place.
You absolutely need a good local supply of fresh water, and of course protein.
The only place that satisfies all of these criteria is a Farm or small farming community.
You'd need to offer yourself as security / labor / slave to a farmer. Assuming a large influx of refugees from cities and no supply of diesel they will need security and diesel.
Decommissioned mine. Large enough to house a community, plenty of space for garden beds / housing inside to minimize risky trips into the outside world, solar panels can be run from the mine entrance or up through air shafts. Limited entrances and exits make it easily defensible, and mine shafts can be turned into simple traps for the undead.
Zombies are too braindead to be interested in books, they will never feel any need to come check one if there are people hiding. Plus, I would have enough books to read while I watch them mindlessly walk around on the streets, interested in nothing. A bit like our modern days zombies: smartphone users ;)
The Rockies. There’s already a low population in a lot of areas, millions of acres set aside as wilderness, fresh water and game, wood, steep terrrain, fire lookouts/ranger cabins/cabins/abandoned mines. Winter show would also slow/hinder zombies and make for an easier kill. The downside is that I know I wouldn’t be the only one and the main threat would be all the other backcountry survivalists heading for the hills and defending their resources.
Billionaire’s bunker island. Be the security guy with a gun that realizes that money doesn’t matter when civilization falls.
You know what's cool about bunkers? They have fresh air intakes.
You know what's cool about me? I know how to use expanding foam insulation.
Good point. But there should be a protocol to prevent innocent victims. Perhaps some way to clearly advertise that the bunker is free of infection by any original Epstein class owners...
Water, concrete, metal; halothane, sevo or carfent and naloxone if you want them alive.
You can find air intakes with smoke or microphone array cameras. Construction equipment is fleet keyed if you want to live out your Apocalypse dream and bulldoze or excavate.
Checkmate Zuckerberg
Costco.
Small number of secure entrances. A lifetime supply of batteries and solar kits. Tons of shelf stable food and drink. Clothing. Tacky home decor to make the apocalypse feel more homey.
It would be great.
It would be great if there wasn't thousands of other people in your city who had the exact same idea.
Fully stocked pharmacy, comfy mattresses, tvs and video games, car batteries and inverters to run the entertainment, and sometimes even citrus trees to prevent scurvy.
Downside is that without power to the building you have a lot of work to do to dump all the fresh food before it stinks up the place. That dairy cooler alone would get disgusting real quick.
luckily they have it all on pallets ready to go for you
Assuming zombies are incapable of any higher reasoning, somewhere only accessible by climbing up a ladder or rope.
It works in PZ, it might work IRL.
Lemme grab my sledgehammer.
Climbing or swimming. Steal a luxery yacht and some solar panels, soil, and seeds, and you have a floating homestead.
Read The Zombie Survival Guide for why water isn't much of a hinderance to zombies.
I assume floating, like a corpse? That's far from swimming though. Also, to get into a ship you generally need to climb a ladder too. It being on the water means it can move though, so you can change locations when needed.
It's "hole up," by the way.
Maybe they're asking where you want to commit armed robbery first?
I'll buy that.
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Just kidding, fork it over.
I think its fine.
Maybe yours is the true idiom but im not what you would call a literary legalist.
You seem legit to me. Maybe a little too legit...
It entirely depends on what kind of zombies.
As long as they aren't evil magic zombies, I think the zombie threat is overrated.
As magic keeps those muscles moving, dehydration, infections, rigor mortis, and decaying flesh don't really matter. After all, the whole point of magic is to violate the laws of physics and chemistry. With the other types though, decaying flesh does matter, which means that the problem will solve itself within a few days. Just keep the doors locked and windows closed in the meanwhile.
If you happen to be outdoors camping when the outbreak occurs, you don't really have any doors and windows to keep you protected. If you have enough food to keep on camping for a few more days, you might be fine. After all, zombies are in the city, where there are lots of people. You're out in the woods, so you might miss the whole zombie apocalypse when you come back home a week later.
The larger threat is based on if they are virus zombies, and not living-dead zombies. To your point, living-dead zombies will just deteriorate are die off. But virus zomies have a chance of still being able to survive for long periods of time. There's also increased threat depending on how the virus is transmitted, it's lifespan outside the body, mutations, so forth.
The way viral zombies are depicted in movies and games, they seem to lack basic survival instincts. That’s going to make them vulnerable to dehydration, which will stop their conquest within a few days. Infected wounds are the next problem they’ll face if they somehow manage to drink enough water.
Yeah, viral zombies won't last long in the southwest. I ought to be good with just shutters on the house.
if the zombies are raised by a necromancers, we will have more problems. if its just the run of the mill pandemic virus.
If you're facing a necromancer, you bring a party of clerics and paladins to deal with the problem.
Ok, fast zombies
There are a lot more considerations.
Just any yard with a distinct lack of my milkshakes really.
A yacht. It's got solar power, water desalination, can get to uninhabited islands
I don't know where the best options are for sure, but one perk of a (sail) yacht is that, unless port facilities are specifically a problem, even if some place other than a yacht is the best place to be, the yacht is probably one of the better places to get at least near the place in question.
One downside: I don't know how much maintenance a sail yacht requires. Like, I don't know long long one could last without access to spare parts. The ocean puts physical stress on boats, and saltwater is corrosive. Boats aren't usually designed for long-term operations away from land.
Another perk is that if the fuel production and distribution system breaks down, if what you have is a sail yacht, you probably have one of the present-day sailing vessels available, and I'd imagine that some level of sail-based trade could show up again; it was historically an important way to move goods around. You're probably comparatively-well suited to an "apocalypse economy" where transportation and distribution is degraded.
Joshua Slocum put in to port for several extensive refits on his boat over the course of his circumnavigation. (He famously did it solo for the first time around 1895.) Materials engineering had improved enough by 1968 to run the first solo, nonstop circumnavigation race, the Sunday Times Golden Globe Race.
Nowadays, the sea is still harsh. If one stayed in the less stormy locations, in more-northerly latitudes to avoid the full-bore tropical sun, one could reasonably expect to stay at sea without putting in to port for over a year. The biggest challange would be mental, as loneliness takes a huge toll, as does the bland diet required.
Maybe if it has sails. Otherwise you’re exposed each time you need to refuel at a port. But ferrying about between uninhabited islands for resources and sleeping on the boat sounds like a decent plan.
Well… If I knew how to sail, that is. Or tie proper knots.
It’s also assuming that the zombies can’t swim or walk on the seabed, which they usually can’t
At some point you have to assume that even if they can walk on the seabed that the physical pressure would just disintegrate their bodies. If the powers of necromantic reanimation can be overcome with a sword or a shotgun then surely several atmospheres of pressure applied across the entire body would do it.
There are already electric boats. With solar panels.
On a tropical island somewhere. It might take a while to clear the whole island, but after that, it's a pretty good way to ride out the apocalypse...
I was just thinking given the choice I'd kick Zuck out of his apocalypse shelter on Maui. It's gotta have everything you'd need and Maui's pretty sparsely populated so there shouldn't be too many zombies to start with.
I get the concept, but:
Will you have the security benefits that I think are being assumed? If your threat is human, then, yeah, being on an island is a big deal. But...if zombies don't need to breathe, can they just walk under the sea to an island?
Setting aside the direct issue of, say, being chomped by a zombie, one of the larger, immediate problems you face in a situation where you have infrastructure break down --- which I imagine a zombie apocalypse might cause --- is loss of potable water. Islands may not be the best place to go to get fresh water (though you could get salt water, and I imagine that one could use, oh, solar stills or whatever to desalinate).
There was a point in time where US military war planners did up a zombie apocalypse plan --- to have a fun theme, but the problems that a zombie apocalypse would pose aren't terribly far off the same kind of problems that you have to solve when doing war planning. Drinking water access played a prominent role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CONOP_8888
https://www.stratcom.mil/Portals/8/Documents/FOIA/CONPLAN_8888-11.pdf
Sure. Some will absolutely end up there, but it would be far less than on the mainland.
I was thinking of the islands off of the coast where I live. Most of which are large enough to have small fresh water streams.
I wonder what happens if a shark takes a bite out of a zombie? Does the shark become a zombie? Or does the zombie become a shark?
And a bone apple tea to you!
Unless their hold is in their castle!
a 1950s school building. they were built like castles. have wide open lawns and high towers. windows were at least a story above grade, and the glass had that mesh embedded inside.
any windows or doors that are at grade can easily be barricaded or already are with high grade steel cages.
bonus if there's an internal courtyard that can be used as a field for growing crops, water retention area, and just an outdoor exercise area.
schools already have a cafeteria and kitchen, showers, fitness and entertainment, first-aid and medical, an entire library, science/biological labs. many schools have also been retrofitted with solar panels as well.
a school is really the best place to hold up for any kind of natural disaster.
Super weird when someone posts what is likely a random stock photo of a place you went to school.
are you a hairy wizard?
In any country with hot wet air. All insects would do a party in any Zombi near there.
Either that or someplace with bears, wolves or any other fauna that could "clean the place".
Flies and other insects would eat the flesh pretty quickly. No muscles, no movement, right? I think the zombies would stop walking within two days.
If they're evil magic zombies, you would still have a walking skeleton problem though. I suggest you bring a cleric with spells that inflict radiant damage. Bludgeoning damage (maces, hammers etc.) work pretty well too. Paladins and clerics and also use the turn undead ability, which will come in handy.
"Walking skeletons!🥳" (probably wolves and dogs)
Where's safe? Where's familiar? Where can I smoke?
The Winchester!
Surely this is the only answer?!
"Secure" as in "fortify it against zombies and potentially other threats"
Or as in "I can get to it and lay some sort of claim to it"
Because if it's the former, we probably need to put some restrictions on the scenario. That's really the hard part of this and we're just assuming we can do it, and your best bet is probably to secure as big of an area as possible. A city, a country, a whole hemisphere, or hell, the entire world or the solar system if we're being really silly.
If we're going with the latter, where we find a building or property of some kind and call "dibs" and the rest of it is up to us
I think a tech school is a pretty good bet, at least thinking of my local tech schools.
They have some fully stocked workshops with pretty much any tools and materials you could need- carpentry, plumbing, automotive, electrical, etc.
Maybe some kind of medical program, so probably a decent amount of meds and first aid equipment, in addition to whatever is in the nurse's office.
A culinary program, so you have a well equipped kitchen and probably a decent amount of food on-hand.
Maybe it even has some sort of agricultural program with some farming equipment, maybe even some ready-to-go planted crops and possibly livestock.
Most schools are fairly secure with limited entrances and locking doors often they have backup generators and maybe even solar these days (odds are any school with a decent electrical program at least has a few solar panels kicking around somewhere) and you have the tools and maybe the materials there to further fortify it as needed.
And it probably has some pretty beefy fire suppression systems since you have teenagers playing with welders and industrial stoves/ovens.
Some college campuses might be as good or better for the same reasons, with the added benefits of there probably being some purpose-made living quarters, but they're usually less compact, which has its plusses and minuses, more land to grow crops and such but harder to secure.
And if the apocalypse hits while school is in session, you have a bunch of young, hopefully reasonably-healthy people already on-hand to do some of the hard work if like me you're not quite as spry as you used to be.
Walmart or similar has food, tools, guns, ammo, chemicals, and the building can be secured via steel shutters.
Lots of food is gonna rot.
First week gonna be a lot of smoking meats, and canning/preserving lots of fruits and vegetables.
Dairy coolers and frozen gotta be emptied as soon as power goes unless you can rig enough solar/gas generated power for them.
Yeah but the materials you have to work with are a little limited. At least around me, Walmart doesn't carry much in the way of stuff like lumber, pipe, or other building materials, and there's gonna be some gaps in the tools available, I don't think most Walmarts carry welders around me, and even if they do you certainly wouldn't be able to get the gases you need for MIG/TIG welding there, and you might want that if you, for example, need to repair those steel shutters.
And most Walmarts around me actually don't carry guns.
And you can't grow too much food on a parking lot, you can try to work with containers and potting soil of course, but odds are a school is gonna have more land you can easily convert to a food plot or maybe even the plumbing parts to get some kind of hydroponics system going.
Ok so we need a Walmart that's between a college campus and hardware store with a lumberyard.
An island? Seems like a great way to isolate yourself from the masses
World War Z, the book, proved this wrong.
I don't know, the old zombie flick 'Shock Waves' (1977)... Not typical zombies but it made the island approach seem a little less viable to me. It's still better than my default choice of a mall.
Look, I need to spend my efforts on the toxicity and climate collapse apocalypse. I would WELCOME zombies at this point.
Probably a Walmart. Lots of guns, food and medicine.
Yeah if there is power, no contest. Especially in the southern USA where they sell guns and ammo. You could honestly last years there alone.
Definitely a mega grocery store. Just have to secure all those entry points and loading docks, but it would last you at the minimum a couple of months. Most stocked canned food are 2-3 years out from expiring, so if you have enough of them in the store, you can last that long assuming the building is secure the entire time.
There was a movie/TV show where the character was hunkered down in a wind turbine. Always thought it was a clever idea.
If I can automatically secure the location, then I pick the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.
Ok. But why?
A highly secure remote location that I'm sure has some kind of bunker, no shortage of guns. A good place to start looking for what caused the zombies and how to cure them.
Having access to all the other secrets they keep is icing on the cake. I don't know how much I can get into without passwords but if I can tap into satellites or send messages to spies, that's also useful.
The hill country, of course. Long sightlines, rough terrain, low population, high ratio of guns to people.
Nice try.
Never gonna eat my brains you sneaky zombieImmediate suicide for me, I'm afraid.
Some island in the pacific
Oops, sorry, you got Japan - Tokyo specifically. Best of luck.
The Bar in North Muldraugh, Kentucky...oh sorry, you meant IRL and not in Project Zomboid..... Let's see...IRL...zombie apocalypse...got it...The Bar in North Muldraugh, Kentucky.
I speculate that in a real world zombie apocalypse scenario the zombies will probably be just one war crime out of many, Half Life 2 style, so it must be assumed that if you manage to fortify a location against zombies, that fortification is probably getting noticed by a drone and bombed or similar after not too long. Therefore instead of holing up, it would be a better strategy to focus on offense instead of defense in some way.
Any location? An automated Oneill cylinder.
I got an old abandoned insane asylum on the top of a hill next to a naturally occurring spring kinda near me. You really couldn't ask for a better location. Farm on the roof.
I live next to the regional hospital, I'll probably be one of the first to turn into a zombie.
You want someplace with the infrastructure to support lots of people (or a few people for a long time), but little local population to compete for those resources. National parks are generally well stocked, with water and lodging to support peak tourist season, but at least in the western US, most are pretty far from major metropolitan areas.
Grand Canyon and Yellowstone have a lot to offer in a zombie apocalypse.
local boyscout camps are good options too. usually have self-sufficient plumbing of some kind, mess halls, etc.
My current location in rural Tasmania has some advantages. There would likely be a delay in the zombies getting here, so that gives us prep time. Low population density means fewer zombies to deal with when they do. Plenty of natural resources, food, and water.
My main issue is a lack of defensible buildings, but there are lots of wood mills so maybe something could be constructed.
The wildcard is Tassie devils, being a powerful scavenger species. Would they go for the walking corpses? If so, would they end up turning themselves, because I don't fancy dealing with zombie nocturnal marsupials with a bite that crushes bone.
Zombie tassie devils sounds on par for where youre at.
a bunker, completely underground and zombies cant get to you like in resident evil.
An island in the Stockholm archipellago.
Since we assume that you can secure any location picked, any location would be safe, you just need ground to grow crops and freshwater to drink.
From a security standpoint, if we're just talking zombies and assuming that the zombies can't climb, maybe a pre-cannon-era castle or similar fortification. I think that most of the things that obsoleted historic fortifications wouldn't really apply to zombies.
I don't mean one of the castle-themed buildings, like a folly. But something where you don't have any ground-level windows aside from slits, and probably has walls around it.
You may have defense-in-depth (multiple layers of walls or building structure, with the building and walls designed to permit a retreat to an inner area if an outer area is compromised).
Cisterns for freshwater storage are likely already present (though I've no idea what condition they might be in) so you don't need to get ahold of more storage.
Ample room for storage.
I guess the major issue might be the degree to which any fortifications might have been converted for public-access use. I don't know how many gates and porticullises might have been removed or disabled over the years because they aren't really necessary if the fortification is essentially a museum.
With my family.
My house is pretty good for a zombie apocalypse, i'll probably just hang out here.
I live in Jackson Hole. According to The Last of Us, this is the place to be.
The Principality of Sealand.
A bridge. Destroy the entrance on both sides, build a draw bridge in its place. This is assuming youre not worried about human enemies, which are always the real threat.
any, I'm gonna say the Fortress of Solitude from Superman
I choose to secure all of North America.
Build the wall!!! Buff ICE! Deport illegal-zombies!!! Oh wait. Different timeline.
A shopping mall, so I can pick up a flashlight, duct tape some jewelry on it and use it as a lightsaber
The local library Archives.
Nuclear powered carrier ship in the middle of the ocean.
You know how to run those?
I bet there's a manual somewhere on the ship.
Yeah probably, it's only thermonuclear science
How hard can it be?
Just nuclear. No fusion power happening on a boat yet.
You're gonna run out of supplies eventually.
Depends on the amount of people and the size of a ship
But most crucially on time. You assume that rescue will come, which isn't a given.
probably a farm with solar power
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At my home. It's where all my supplies are. I have just enough that I can just sit out the first few weeks of absolute chaos and then I'll see where I go from there. I'd probably try and find a remote summer cabin somewhere by a lake which hopefully has solar power already installed but if not, I'll figure it out. Main thing that it's remote and has a wood stove and access to food and water. Hopefully in two floors as well so that I can collapse the stairs and sleep safely upstairs.
The old food warehouse I worked at. They installed 1100+ solar panels on the roof to offset the huge cost of running giant freezers during summer. There is more than enough food for not only making food for myself but also to trade with other people to make a community work. Also only a few entrances for security.
It really depends on a lot of things.
In almost any crisis any population centre is going to be an absolute shit show.
OTOH being by yourself in the wilderness is also challenging. Even if you know a place with good fishing or something where you think you could support yourself - you probably couldn't when 1,000 other people are thinking of the same place.
You absolutely need a good local supply of fresh water, and of course protein.
The only place that satisfies all of these criteria is a Farm or small farming community.
You'd need to offer yourself as security / labor / slave to a farmer. Assuming a large influx of refugees from cities and no supply of diesel they will need security and diesel.
Decommissioned mine. Large enough to house a community, plenty of space for garden beds / housing inside to minimize risky trips into the outside world, solar panels can be run from the mine entrance or up through air shafts. Limited entrances and exits make it easily defensible, and mine shafts can be turned into simple traps for the undead.
The public library.
Zombies are too braindead to be interested in books, they will never feel any need to come check one if there are people hiding. Plus, I would have enough books to read while I watch them mindlessly walk around on the streets, interested in nothing. A bit like our modern days zombies: smartphone users ;)
The Rockies. There’s already a low population in a lot of areas, millions of acres set aside as wilderness, fresh water and game, wood, steep terrrain, fire lookouts/ranger cabins/cabins/abandoned mines. Winter show would also slow/hinder zombies and make for an easier kill. The downside is that I know I wouldn’t be the only one and the main threat would be all the other backcountry survivalists heading for the hills and defending their resources.
A mall. Obviously not a great survival choice, but it sure would he fun!
Yeah but this is the 2020s, malls are dead and pathetic.
Perfect for zombies, then.
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