A broken clock is still right twice a day.
Perhaps she should've thought about that when she was cheerleading the crowd of neocons who are perpetrating all of this.
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Perhaps she should've thought about that when she was cheerleading the crowd of neocons who are perpetrating all of this.
Ok. Yes. BUT.
You're against supporting Israel because you're antisemitic.
I'm against supporting Israel because I'm anti-imperialist and anti-war.
We are DEFINITELY not the same.
I don't even think it's (predominantly) her antisemitism that's causing this, because she definitely also (probably moreso) hates Muslims; it's her backwater isolationist mentality that the US should never help anybody but ourselves (totally ignoring how much helping others disproportionately helps us). I wrote a very large portion of Greene's article on Wikipedia in 2021, and one of the biggest throughlines for her support for Donald Trump in 2020 was isolationism ("America First").
It's also why Greene was outspoken against the US' invasion of Venezuela and kidnapping of Maduro. An ardent anti-interventionalist is bound to occasionally be correct when the one intervening is an impulsive, reckless, bigoted, selfish imperialist.
If you look at Tucker's rhetoric, its very similar.
Greene became politically engaged in 2016 when Trump's isolationist, white supremacist campaign message resonated with her (two years later in 2018, she moderated a white supremacist conspiracy group on Facebook whose acronym was "FAP"; not relevant, just bringing it up); there's not a chance in hell her rhetoric wasn't also inspired by Carlson's around that time (Trump's messaging surely was).
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Yeah, they get a paycheck from Russia. Isreal has the balls of over half the Republican party in a pedo-vise, that's the difference
They were lying though. Just like Trump was lying when he ran on it.
But it is definitely mixed in there. Make no mistake, she would happily see Israel bombed into oblivion so she can go straight to heaven on the rapture bus.
Exactly. She's just trying to poison the well of anti Israel sentiment with antisemitic sentiment, which she's full of. Honestly does anyone really give a shit about what she has to say? Why don't we just ignore her?
Actually, MTG has shifted her views to being anti-semitic. The conservatives are actually trying to bring her down because of this.
Fuck off Marjorie. You don't get to be the "Jewish space lasers" lady and a critic of the GOP. Talking shit now doesn't make you look good, you just look willing to abandon your position when you think it'll score you points. Republicans truly know how to find the weakest, stupidest, least genuine humans among us.
It’s a white women of MAGA riff. She was given a role within their patriarchal shitshow. She tried to move out of it (wanted a spot in the Senate instead). Was told no. Spoke out against them in response. Now censured by maga.
I’m not defending her. But that is the pattern.
So more of a LAMF?
Yes, but.....it works. Kamala isn't president, and half tbe country loves trump and his hateful messaging.
Maybe a Jewish space laser targeted her brain and fried her racist braincells
Why not? Grifters and pathological liars have no standards other than "how can I personally benefit from telling them whatever they want to hear right now".
She will cave as soon as her now-reasonable rhetoric faces a personal consequence.
Man. The fact that the three republican front runners for 2028 are all out-flanking Democrats from the left. Tucker, MTG, Owens.
I'll take "shit we said would happen, but couldn't get people to listen" for $200, Alec.
Some are making a stand, but not enough. Just look at the other two squirm when pressed on Netanyahu.
I think you uh.. might have responded to the wrong comment?
It's the right comment. You've got the top three democratic candidates for an IL seat, and two waffle when pressed on Netanyahu with a very straightforward question.
Ah. Okay. I had posted this clip earlier in the day. Thought some how some wires got crossed.
Yeah, you are absolutely right. And these, all three of them including Kat, are allegedly progressive Democrats. Kat comes through with a clear and articulate answer. I thought it was a good moment of that debate.
And in this context, even MTG has a clearer, more articulate stance than two out of three of the Democrats on that stage.
Maybe you are too young to know the reference.
I think he means people who like tucker,mtg,owens have a taste for word salad.
RIP Alex
It's pretty easy for fascists to outflank neoliberals from the left on a whole host of issues so long as they aren't forthcoming with their reasoning, which in this case is racism. Being motivated by money and hatred are two different categories and it's currently dividing the GOP.
What did they say?
A friendly reminder that just because a fascist and a Nazi has a disdain for Israel, they're still NOT allies. They're still a fascist/Nazi, they're not to be trusted and/or praised. The left, be they Libertarian Socialists, Marxist-Leninists, Maoists or Anarchists, support the Palestinian cause as it mirrors so many oppressors vs. oppressed dynamics throughout history. Muslims feel obligated to support their fellow Muslims in despair.
Fascists/Nazis oppose Israel out of their irrational hatred of Jews. There's no separation of the State of Israel and the global Jewish community; they're one and the same to them. They erroneously believe that they and Palestinian Arabs share a common enemy when, in fact, Palestine's struggle is against colonists oppression. Hamas and Hezbollah may spout antisemitic views but this an extension of their radical Islamism. If Fascists/Nazi had their way, Jews, Arabs and all other non-whites would share the gas chambers. They boast about bogus but widely believed antisemitic conspiracies: Rothschilds, George Soros, ZOG, Cultural Marxism, Great Replacement, so on and so forth. The Rothschilds and Soros are, indeed, pieces of shits but, once again, fascists/Nazis hyperfixate on their Jewishness.
The media will portray the global solidarity movement as in league with fascists and Nazis. We must make clear that fascists and Nazis are not welcomed. That is why it's important that we, under no circumstance whatsoever, make alliances with fascists/Nazis.
My biggest fear for 2028 is that we'll face a choice between MTG (or someone in the Nick Fuentes mold) running on an explicitly anti-Israel, white Christian nationalist platform, and AOC running primarily on domestic issues with little foreign policy emphasis and that a vocal contingent on the left will choose the former. Not out of any coherent ideology, but because opposition to Israel has become such an overriding fixation that they'd willingly overlook everything that candidate represents: the rollback of rights for gay, Black, Latino, transgender, immigrant, Muslim, and Jewish communities alike.
I feel like AOC and most (all) of the progressives also oppose Israel though, unless I haven't been paying close enough attention. So presumable that would presumably prevent said vocal contingent from supporting MTG and her anti-everything political ideals.
Ideally, we should abolish the electoral college and first-past-the-post system of voting.
it's me, I'll be that left that will choose the former
Yes but did Charlie consider that Trump would need a really bigly distraction from people talking about how he raped kids?
I think his friends call them underage women 🤮
Martyr’d.
I don't want to have or need health insurance... I want my taxes to fund Universal Healthcare, not wars.
I want my Gov to service my needs, and my neighbors needs, not to function as an entity that taxes the many and profits the already rich few.
your taxes do find universal healthcare. Just not in the US.
but have you considered doing none of that and instead owning the libs?
I'd bet real money that her and all the other "conscientious MAGA objectors" would still vote Trump if they had another chance, though.
MTG Summer of 2028
On the left the Democratic Party, on the right people like MTG
Timothy Snyder has talked about how anti-Semitism is going to be the weapon of choice for one faction of Trump's court as they position themselves for the post trump transition. JD Vance will pin all of Trump's crazy shit on Miller and then try to pin Miller on Rubio. Don't be surprised if "Israel is responsible for our imperial decline" becomes the post-MAGA "stab in the back theory" of the 2030s... That's why these fuckers LOATHE progressive anti-Zionist Jews like JVP.
It's a more rational and evidence-based critique than the "Russia is responsible for our imperial decline" line the Libs have been pitching.
Only problem is that it still just ends in endless wars, a further decline in standards of living, and... imperial decline.
MTG:
Ahh, good ok I to the seventh, L7 o clock! Best time it the day, if you ahhh me
Well, nothing bad has ever happened at L7 o'clock
The exact time the L7 track dropped, shitlist.
(L7 was a punk band)
Those things she mentioned all seem pretty aligned to left vs right to me. Welcome to the left, MTG.
Not that I expect her to be in any way consistent about supporting those values. I just think she'd have an aneurism from being welcomed to the left. XD
Lol exactly - saying she happens to be correct right here right now in this tweet does not endorse her in any way beyond that. In fact, it's not uncommon to come to a "correct" answer from the wrong question, which I think is the path here. It's merely a brief convergence of answers before some more time passes and she invariably draws the wrong conclusion on the next iteration. Monkeys/typewriters, etc. and round and round we go.
What's this value thing you are talking about?
People will be taking flags down that they have flown for the past 9+ years. It's important we remember who flew them
It's important to remember the neighbors who had maga flags. They get Molotov cocktails without warning.
A fast or slow clock, though, they can take a VERY long time to be right.
She is going 1/1,000,000 the speed of a correct, 100% accurate clock. That we witnessed this tweet is almost a miracle.
She's been close to being right before.
This is the woman who had the famous quote talking about Jewish lasers causing wildfires in the US. She is an absolute anti-semite. And her hatred of Israel is not because of their genocide and warmongering, it is definitely racist. And I'm 100% certain she hates Iranians and Palestinians with just as much fervor.
Yeah, pretty much never right, almost a miracle she was right in this tweet.
Definitely the latter, in this particular instance.
WTH has gotten into her. Did someone hit her with a "reasonable" stick or something?
Yeah, can't trust her as far as I can throw her and she looks pretty heavy.
Oh, I don't intend to support her in any way, I was just wondering if she had a reverse Fedderman or something.
There’s a lot of fracturing and internecine warfare in MAGA land. You can see some of this in Alex Jones struggling to figure out whether he’s still cool with Bannon or not.
There’s always been a split between the Nazi wing and the Christian Nationalists who support Israel because of their apocalyptic fantasies. You’ve also got the ones who only care about abortion, and the ones with Q and adjacent conspiracy theories. It’s an uneasy alliance.
MTG is a Q type. Anti semitism is part of it, but it’s more about the insane conspiracy theory world she lives in. She’s not being “reasonable” she just thinks Trump is on the evil Jewish laser team.
Either way she's, and I can't believe in saying this, sound reasonable. (shudder)
One must remember that this woman is an actual anti-semite and truly believes that the destruction of Israel will begin the apocalypse that will send all the good little Christians to heaven instantaneously.
That would be awesome, well not the apocalypse part, but it might be worth it. I'll give it a think.
She is an antisemite, so she is against Israel because she is against the Jews. Other people are against Israel because of their governments genocidal actions. They are not the same.
Yes but MAGA has no problem whatsoever from what I've seen...being both for something and against it at the same time.
Nope, the Grift simply takes a pivot while reading the gullible market. The Grift must always go on. The market is realizing that Trump is turning into a liability and his best grifting conman days are behind him. As soon as Vance comes onto the main scene it will realign with new conspiracies and views.
That sounds more realistic.
She's probably trying to position herself for a leadership role after maga explodes in a great concussion of lies and flying turds.
That's horrifying.
She had a pretty big falling out with the president, and I'm actually surprised she followed through on her announcement to resign from Congress.
IIRC it's been the tug of war rope meme a few times with her in the later half of last year.
I think it was because she stayed just long enough to get some kind of pension from Congress.
I wish more politicians would step down after that duration in Congress.
The only problem is... They are replaced with more politicians.
she was a True Believer but finally woke up. still a shit person, but realized she was being lied to.
I find that difficult to believe. Does a person who thinks Jews want to surreptitiously start forest fires by putting millions of dollars of high powered lasers into orbit instead of paying a nut job with a match, ever "wake up?" We're taking about the same lunatic who thinks "they" can control the weather and sent a hurricane only through red districts. The wacko that literally, as a grown ass woman, followed a teenage shooting victim down the street yelling at him for being an actor and faking it.
I think it's more plausible that she was hit in the head or something.
She's doing what she's always done. And that is too turn the sails before the wind.
The wind is changing direction. And so is she.
That almost sounds intelligent.
Syphilis?
Basically, she found out the rest of her party wasn't actually on board with her personal brand of crazy. The shock of it seems to have redirected her a bit.
That sounds reasonable.
I'm just glad I can use the abbreviation for Magic the Gathering again
Imma lay it out like it was for me. Very few people are wholly evil. You are the culmination of all your acts. Few people are wholly evil. She has two things for her that are good: she didn't dismiss the Epstein evidence & she is against this war.
Everything else about her is wretched. So yes, she is a vile creature that happens to share two good values with the rest of humanity.
This is pure, cynical political maneuvering. What's upsetting is I (and other voters) hear this from despicable White Supremacists scum like Greene rather than Democratic Party leaders.
Dems have been trying to get Republicans to vote blue for years, MTG may end up doing the funniest thing ever.
It feels like a very smart rebrand but someone who sells racism and hatred doesnt get to double back and try economic populism instead just cause they think it might be a more winning strategy.
She can get bent.
Damn MTG, take my upvote
Damn... Just in a few years people will go: wow he's right, maybe we were too harsh on the pedo
No, those are bad ppl. To second chances from my end
Sooo...what exactly has changed? That still sounds like right and left to me.
Chuck Shumer is offended by your comment. But he's willing to upvote it so long as you promise to be cool with Israel.
Uh what? In the US both sides are eager and chuffed to fight wars for the return of their imaginary Avengers superhero.
The politicians? Sure. But the average American liberal/leftist just wants peace and universal healthcare.
Same. Aristocrats vs common people.
Did she have a stroke that accidentally fixed her brain?
She's still a liar and fraud but she has a functional weathervane that changes with the winds of public opinion. Her problem with israel isn't the genocide of palestinians, its the jews she hates. She's the 'jewish space laser' lady.
The Jewish space laser thing was perpetuated by Epstein (a Zionist) and Steve Bannon on 4chan because they were Q.
Were they? I've never seen any real evidence to support that.
Post 8chan Q is very probably Ron Watkins, 4chan era Q is less certain but there are indications it was a South African software developer named Paul Furber.
Not saying they didn't take their marching orders from Bannin or Epstein, but I'd want evidence of such. And no, the evidence that Epstein played a role in /pol/ existing at all isn't enough on its own.
The conspiricism of the republican party and its affiliate media is no accident. Its not done by a few bad apples. Its a deliberate framework.
Similar to how the "deep state" is used to explain away why voting for republicans never improves people's material conditions, the "jewish space laser" and "weather control" narratives are used to explain how climate change can be 'fake' but the increased wildfires and flooding are somehow expected.
They're calling it the Reverse Fetterman.
She's just a windsock for the idiots who vote for her.
And no more interest in the Epstein files.
How many known Epstein associates have been arrested to date?
I keep hearing "Release the Files!" I've yet to see any New York or California prosecutors going after anyone named. Hell, they're still subsidizing the businesses and fetting many of the individuals involved.
I'm not a lawyer, but unless they have reasonable evidence the crimes occurred on their states, the state prosecutors can't do anything.
The DOJ has that evidence, they have been ordered to release it and they refuse. Prosecutors can't ask for underacted files "just in case"
That's why people are demanding the files, so people can be arrested.
I'm honestly surprised how backwards you got it.
"Release The Epstein Files"
"Also, this is not useful information for any actionable outcome"
:-/
On their states. Please take the full quote.
Last line is yours, not mine. Also false. They can't investigate of they don't even know who's who. That's the whole point.
DOJ has the files and the legal obligation to release them with very limited restriction. Somehow they don't feel like doing it. That on itself should be a major scandal, regardless of the contents.
But hey, if you think Epstein was condemned for human trafficking but had no associate or customer, you're a special case.
There's a laundry list of suspects.
Ffs, the Brits didn't have a problem going after Mandelson. Even (ex-)Prince Charles.
Nobody in the US is doing anything because nobody wants to do anything.
Only ones who live outside the USA sadly so far
We’re on a timeline where MTG makes sense. That’s not good.
Sadly, in a country steeped in individualistic "culture", divide and conquer is a particularly effective strategy.
Honestly, that's largely how the far-right has worked in this country, at least since I've been alive. Divide, divide, divide. Make "outsiders" and opposition feel isolated or better yet, make them the enemy responsible for anything and everything ailing the nation. Make up an ailment or few as well while they're at it, why not?
Divided we fall, and it's worked out quite well for those in power, so far.
Damn. I always hated her. But. Her rhetoric is 10/10. This is what made Trump president. She is starting to get dangerous.
She will run for president and she will win.
Our politicians are literally owned by Israel and she is very anti Israel so I doubt it
I get "Setting yourself on fire will keep you warm for the rest of your life" vibes from this woman.
And whose fault is that Marj? Why don't you go back to sucking the teet of big Nazi again, it's all your mouth is good for.
genocider support and warmongering is bipartisan.
fuck them all
A clock that keeps perfect time is never correct. This feels like an expression of the uncertainty principle.
You're coming a looooong long way, MTG. Maybe it's time to study and read socialist theory, perhaps? https://redsails.org/
Is she prepping for a run for office or something?
Class war you mean
She just brings to light what roles they all put on for their political agenda. They can all be bought or led in a different direction when it suites them. We'll probably never know her true opinions.
Probably worth noting that this is all going to lead to an astounding resurgence/intensification of anti-semitism, so if you're an anti-Zionist Jew... good luck.
I hate that I can't mention I dislike the Israeli gov without fear of being called antisemitic by the same people who complained about globalism and "the Jews controlling the media". Truly the stupidest timeline
The trick is to give no shits what those jerks think. We've seen what makes them cheer.
Each rocket could have made 1 American rich instead.
if you think that the us has no interest in the geopolitical situation in Iran you are mistaken. Even if Israel wouldn't exist there would be oil.
Also trump isn't interested in human rights and regime change in Iran, he wants somebody they can control.
Also trump doesn't call the shots obviously. The people hiding behind the orange are.
Oil is last century's energy source. China has shown the solar path forward. It's just that the US petro/auto-oligarchy cannot fathom any kind of transition.
Trump is not directly controlled by anyone. There's nobody behind the curtain. He's a narcissist being manipulated by Netanyahu (and Putin, and Orban and any other autocrat he looks up to), and who has surrounded himself with a court of amoral grifters with conflicting agendas. He does shit like this not because he has a plan but because it gives him a high, it makes him feel powerful and them he gets bored again.
I disagree with you about a group of people steering trump (as best they can). But hey, we will never know.
And yes, I agree that he has a personality disorder and does shit by himself but the grand scheme like taken the right steps to dismantle the democracy and checks and balances is above his competence level IMHO.
Regarding oil: it doesn't matter if the us haven't seen the light. It is still important to them now and will be for the foreseeable future. Right now there is a demand.
Trump definitely raped kids Israel definitely has that footage.
FUCK USA, FUCK ISRAEL AND FUCK IRAN regime! go fuck your selfs! People are dying for you to play games! fuck off. FUCK USA.
More like a misprinted calendar is right once a year.
Except it isn't