Alright, let me ask you to clear this up for me please. I'm not a developer so I might need some simplification. This Lemvotes thing asks a Lemmy server to give up the users having voted on a particular post. For this to work I would assume the server in question must comply with this request, or store this information in a way that's accessible in the first place ?
It's a UX issue. If you make votes public they should be very clearly so, the way reactions are on Facebook, LinkedIn etc, and everyone would be fine with it. What's getting people's panties in a twist is that Lemmy superficially presents itself as having anonymous voting but the logs are tucked away behind some convoluted process that you have to just know about and only seems to work about half the time.
Does anyone remember the subreddit where non maga people had a maga kink? That was weird as shit. I think it was called fuckmaga or something similar but I don't like reddit anymore.
So, when I got banned from Reddit a while back for saying, "If you see a nazi, punch a nazi", that was Reddit being nazis? Because, that would make sense.
Now wait a minute! I like being cucked by a authoritarian dictator, who uses minority groups as scapegoats for all our current issues. So what if l wear a standardized red colored item to identify people who are not like me?
They're here and they're there and they're everywhere
We're taught that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace
But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race
The history books they tell of their defeat in forty-five
But they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat
Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an aryan world would never materialise
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They're here and they're there and they're everywhere
The world is riddled with maggots--the maggots are getting fat
They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats
They're taking over the board rooms and they're fat and full of pride
And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
So if you meet with these historians I'll tell you what to say
Tell them that the Nazis never really went away
They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies
And we'll never rest again until every Nazi dies\
It was not overlooked, it was weaponized. Just like in Germany in the 1930's.
The turning point was 2001. The liberals thought they could use that enemy from within and they thought they could handle the fascists, until they became the fascists. Now they are just like the fascists, but people hate them more than ever, so they directly side with them in order to not be left over when the vanilla fascists takes the power.
Don't call everyone you disagree with Hitler, simply because they are named Adolf Hitler and were the leader of the German "Third Reich", committed genocide and started a world war. So quick with the name calling, really /s (calling things by their true name, that is)
Just because someone subscribes to a fascist ideology and chooses to put you and your family into a concentration camp doesn't make them a nazi. And before you raise your voice; I'd like to remind you that calling other people names is hurtful, unless you're speaking truth to power like me. So shut up, I know what's best for your kind.
If we want a brighter future, then we all have to make sacrifices. For me that means that I have to sacrifice my ability to think critically and reflect on my own actions, and for you it means that you have to sacrifice your life. Now please stop crying and get into the mass grave. Thank you, now apologize for calling me a nazi.
I read that quote in mom's voice in my head. Kinda like "don't swear honey, it makes you look uncivilized." Then I wondered, is there a civilized way to call someone a nazi?
I distinctly remember calling someone out as Nazi for misogynistic comments and yet denies being one, despite literally posting Nazi like slogans. Fascists love to act in bad faith and they know it.
Don't forget vegans, vegetarians, pescetarians, Jehovah's witnesses, scientologists, Xbox fans, playstation fans, Nintendo fans, train enthusiasts, aviation enthusiasts and Frank. Frank in particular Is a piece of work.
There's a logic flaw in this post and that makes me feel uncertain if this is just ragebaiting or what... It certainly feels like it, and it is kinda worrisome and sad if we let this kinda shit content drive the platform usage into senseless insult throwing (I'm kinda expecting that I'll be called a Nazi for not agreeing on what this post represents, precisely my point).
You can say "fuck Nazis" and I'd agree. Fuck them, hard with a cactus. If someone disagrees with "fuck Nazis" sure, you found the Nazi. I agree with that. If in a conversation someone is defending a Nazi ideology or some clear Nazi shit, yeah call them Nazis and anyone defending them are clearly aligned on that shit.
But then step two of the image makes no sense.
Watch for the "don't call people who disagree with you Nazis" comments.
Saying fuck Nazis is not the same as calling someone who disagrees with you a Nazi. If someone would call someone a Nazi for disagreeing on some random topic, and someone says don't call them Nazis just because they don't agree with you, that doesn't make them a Nazi. There is nuance here, what was it they disagreed with? It feels like the post is just trying to give way to the fact that if you call anyone a Nazi and they disagree that makes them even more Nazi. It the same shit as accusing someone of stealing and when they deny it you answer with "that's what a thief would say". Well yeah, but it is also what a non-thief would say. So it proofs nothing.
Can't we just agree on hating Nazis and calling a Nazi to anyone making a Nazi salute or saying Nazi shit or defending Nazi shit? Can we agree that saying "don't call people who disagree with you a nazi" doesn't immediately imply they are Nazis? It doesn't make any fucking sense, and I'd wish to see better content in Lemmy than this baity shit. Instead of this shit, post a nice image that says "fuck Nazis" with a middle finger as decoratiin, and I'm sure you will see less crap than in this post.
I may be over thinking it, but that's not what it reads like to me. Like at all.
The post doesn't say "anyone defending a Nazi" is a Nazi. Which sure, makes sense. I agree.
The post says "anyone saying that you shouldn't call a Nazi to those who disagree with you means they are by extension Nazis". That assumes that calling someone a Nazi can never be wrong if they disagree with you and you are not a Nazi. Someone that is not a Nazi can disagree with someone that is not a Nazi. The post seems to try and create discord by saying that a witch hunt against Nazis is perfectly fine because Nazis are shit. And anyone against a witch hunt of Nazis means they are a Nazi. Well, I'm against all kind of witch-hunts because they are based on accusing whoever just out of hatred with very little way of fighting against it fairly.
Or to explain my meaning in a different way. I'm against the death penalty. That means that I don't want any form of legal death penalty, even if someone is a Nazi. Does that mean now that I treat Nazis too nicely? I can see and understand that someone disagrees with me and I would disagree with someone proposing the death penalty for nazis. They can call me a Nazi then I guess? Just because I'm against the death penalty? I'm not against the death penalty to defend Nazis, I'm just against the death penalty. This post is in my opinion just shit trying to ragebait. I don't see who could benefit from it, but surely there are possible reasons for it.
The post says "anyone saying that you shouldn't call a Nazi to those who disagree with you means they are by extension Nazis"
No it doesn't say that. Maybe you're not overthinking it enough. I'll walk through the proof referring to the numbering in the post. The post is saying: "anyone is probably a Nazi(3), who's saying that you shouldn't call everyone you disagree with a Nazi(2), if they are saying it in the following special context: they are saying it, even though you didn't do that at all! Not even remotely. You simply made an obvious statement about real genuine actual Nazis in general being bad(1), but they somehow took offence to what should be the most uncontroversial statement ever(1) and came out and created a strawman to attack you for something you didn't do(2). Simply because they don't like the one thing they know about you: that you don't like Nazis(1). Now why might that be? Well probably because they are a Nazi(3). qed
To me it's really very simple. No, not everyone we dislike or disagree with is a Nazi. However, anyone who takes offense to "Fuck Nazis" is either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing really.
Only a liberal quotes an absolute statement to claim that absolutes are bad, proving once again that their entire worldview is based on screenwriting and vibes with critical thinking nowhere to be found.
Unrelated to the topic: I never understood this, because only a fool thinks in non-absolutes
(it is possible to find examples of how Sith were smart and brave enough to see ugly reality for what it is, but I am not that deep into Star Wars lore)
Most of the "falling to the dark side" episodes was caused by jedis recognising the reality, they just not only weren't mentally equipped to face it, as they existed in peak of idealist thought, but the universe is also the prime example of the swerve and people on the dark side seemingly immediately kill younglings or massacre indigenous tribes or something like this, regardless of reasons they "fall".
I'm not saying it's divisive to say fuck nazis. But calling someone you know almost nothing about a nazi seems a bit extreme. Mostly because the level of willing misinterpretation on here is stupid high. I could say fuck trump, and somehow there will be people who will call me a trump supporter. It boggles the mind.
Lmao dude this was a post against unspecified hypothetical nazis, anyone who decided to get offended by it put their name to it themselves. A hit dog hollers.
See that would be great. But it actually causes division between people who agree that the genocidal fucks should be dragged out int the street and ..... but don't agree to jumping to conclusions or over generalizations.
The actual supporters of genecidal fucks aren't here to be divisive against.
I think it's just recognizing the complexity of a world where even nazis will call their enemies "nazis" if it's useful to them.
The "if you are offended when I call you a nazi you are a nazi" is a weird take to begin with.
I think the comment you are replying to isn't arguing with the fuck nazis part, but the behaviour where progressive groups can be divided and conquered by socializing animosity between them.
Like when atheists were fighting against the heritage foundation, until they had to defend against claims of being bigots because "wanting to make circumcision generally illegal in the USA means you are pro FGM and you hate women, and if you argue otherwise it is an admission of guilt"
And all of the progressives were shamed out until the very groups that were actively fighting groups like the heritage foundation were terraformed into actual incel chud hangouts, while academic feminists were drowned out by the same culture war bullshit, helping to generally paint feminists as cringe karens, rather than a bastion against political movements by groups like the heritage foundation.
If you don't know why I keep talking about the heritage foundation, it's because they are the project 2025 people in no small part responsible for the current actual fascist push.
But.. That's difficult to explain while confronted by absolutist tribalism.
Don't be divided and conquered. It's harder for progressives to coordinate due to group complexity, but it's important not to do the work of the fascists for them.
Progressives fighting progressives because its socially expedient to not think about the bigger picture is indeed a big part of why trump is in power, which that comment seems to indicate as a bad thing.
That doesn't matter though if you just imagine their comment was "don't be mean to nazis!!"
If you just pretend they said that, it's so much easier to do the social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups, and we can just ignore the failures of this behavior, because self reflection is bad for some reason.
the world is complex, and nazis will use this type of oversimplified comprehension to stop progressive groups from finding common ground.
divide and conquer has been extremely successful for the motives of fascism.
which is no small part why USA is currently run by fascists that keep making threats against my allied country.
we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis.
this is why all the academics keep shouting that americans need to learn to read, and why it really is "that deep."
this isn't "happening in my head." at least any more than anything else from the framing of predictive processing.
but that dismissal is generally the response academics have gotten when trying to affect the general social comprehension.
but you haven't really engaged with any of the points i've actually made, creating your own re-interpretation of the conversation that allows you to ignore the points being made, responding to yourself instead, which is great for oversimplified social dogpiling.
It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'.
Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this.
You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick.
And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious.
justify why it’s ok to be triggered by ‘fuck nazis’.
nobody here is arguing this.
because you can't interpret the words doesn't mean they actually mean this.
"fuck nazis" -> good
"if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you're a nazi." -> bad
"don't call people you disagree with nazis" is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.
and i talk about it because it is important for antifascists to comprehend what framing is when it used against them.
and maybe shit wouldn't be half as bad if americans were socialized into comprehending and using more big words, so they can tell the difference between jordan peterson bullshit and actual attempts to communicate more complicated topics.
hard to talk about the issues if people don't socialize the words and concepts around them.
So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple.
The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words.
There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis.
This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes.
So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for.
we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis.
So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this)
social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups
Interesting lingo you use there
Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them?
at literally no point was i being "a running dog for nazism"
and repeatedly i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement.
"Interesting lingo you use there "
how can i phrase it without setting off your imaginary dog whistles? also i get these concepts from.. anti-fascist academics.
i do agree that it's important to flag nazis as bad, and socially reify that,
but also that we need to be able to point out when the more clever nazis get the stupidest portion of progressives to socialize that other progressive groups are the real nazis, and that even trying to discuss the matter is an admission of guilt.
the original comment i was discussing a bout was talking about the FRAMING.
like saying "right thing for the wrong reasons." which is important, because sometimes failing to distinguish helps the nazis.
this is the part about blue curtains, but you have not yet actually noticed the point we are making beyond your simpler interpretation of what is being said.
as a progressive and a leftist, i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success.
but let's keep ignoring all of that, because academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes.
i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement.
Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement.
i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics.
Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance?
i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success.
I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad.
academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes
Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread?
the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism).
there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous.
I agree that we have to be careful about who we call nazis, and who they call nazis, but if you get offended by the phrase "fuck nazis", without further context or identifiers, then I'm ok with saying fuck off.
because i've said in several different ways
"fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis."
but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read.
which is why they love the uneducated.
and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit.
so, was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation?
what part of that is defending nazis exactly?
If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good.
The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda.
The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons.
If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole.
Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves.
They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms)
p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs
Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post.
I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too.
There're two claims being made here.
Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and
anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi.
Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act.
I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises.
Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon...
It feels better to make cartoon villains out of people who are wrong than to entertain any differences between the worst thing you can think of and someone who doesn't happen to share your views (however obviously correct they may seem).
I appreciate you using your brain and resisting the circlejerk. You can’t just call everybody that disagrees with you some leftist dog whistle (nazi, fascist, bigot, shill, AI, xphobic) and think you’re effecting positive change. Bring people in, don’t shut people out. The only change you’re effecting is making people mad at you and then we have situation like Trump winning a second term.
I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out.
Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis).
The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷
Looks like you've got four nazi's so far who are cowardly even by nazi standards downvoting you.
🤣
The funny part is that votes are public, to ensure they get counted correctly during federation.
i get 404
same, doesn't work when I paste in the link
https://lemmy.ml/post/43393835
Its because we block lemvotes on this server, because people don't like their votes being exposed. Every server should do this.
oh, okay. It's nice that it's possible to do this.
I would say that's for them to decide
I doubt they've asked their users if they want this spying tool to hoover up their votes.
Alright, let me ask you to clear this up for me please. I'm not a developer so I might need some simplification. This Lemvotes thing asks a Lemmy server to give up the users having voted on a particular post. For this to work I would assume the server in question must comply with this request, or store this information in a way that's accessible in the first place ?
no
votes being public is good and helps find bad actors
It's a UX issue. If you make votes public they should be very clearly so, the way reactions are on Facebook, LinkedIn etc, and everyone would be fine with it. What's getting people's panties in a twist is that Lemmy superficially presents itself as having anonymous voting but the logs are tucked away behind some convoluted process that you have to just know about and only seems to work about half the time.
That does need changing
lemmy should have an integrated view voters button
it works for some of the other instances; either it's broken or selectively ignoring.
I upvoted you. Just to save you looking it up. 😜
Do not fuck nazis
They can do it themselves
Does anyone remember the subreddit where non maga people had a maga kink? That was weird as shit. I think it was called fuckmaga or something similar but I don't like reddit anymore.
Nazi punks, fuck off!
Null set. No Nazi can actually be punk.
Nazi cunts fuck off.
Edit: For anyone concerned about my word choice, I adhere strictly to the official Irvine Welsh prescribed definition of the word.
Where did you find that first image, and where might I be able to find a higher-quality version?
I don't remember where I got it, but I found a HQ PDF for you.
my usual method: post “nazis give up their moral and social humanity when they choose to become nazis.”
people reply: “aktchually dehumanizing someone is a tactic of the nazis and should not be done.”
neat. thank for letting me know you’re a nazi. turn back and let your humanity return.
Paradox of tolerance type shi
what do you mean those debates would have one side removed due to feddit.org admins and mods
But have you considered that the German government did the Holocaust and therefore they get to support another one?
I admit I should have expected it from them but still hoped wouldn't
Do 1 get 1 free?
I hope all Nazis meet with painful and humiliating ends that can, in no legal sense, be traced back to myself.
the only form of adventurism that i can support. lol
This is a pro life tip.
So, when I got banned from Reddit a while back for saying, "If you see a nazi, punch a nazi", that was Reddit being nazis? Because, that would make sense.
Yes, actually.
Now wait a minute! I like being cucked by a authoritarian dictator, who uses minority groups as scapegoats for all our current issues. So what if l wear a standardized red colored item to identify people who are not like me?
That doesn't make me a Nazi.
They're here and they're there and they're everywhere We're taught that after the war the Nazis vanished without a trace
But battalions of fascists still dream of a master race
The history books they tell of their defeat in forty-five
But they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They say the prisoner of Spandau was a symbol of defeat
Whilst Hess remained imprisoned and the fascists they were beat
So the promise of an aryan world would never materialise
So why did they all come out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
They're here and they're there and they're everywhere
The world is riddled with maggots--the maggots are getting fat
They're making a tasty meal of all the bosses and bureacrats
They're taking over the board rooms and they're fat and full of pride
And they all came out of the woodwork on the day the Nazi died
So if you meet with these historians I'll tell you what to say
Tell them that the Nazis never really went away
They're out there burning houses down and peddling racist lies
And we'll never rest again until every Nazi dies\
Chumbawamba rocks
What a banger. Also just shows how long this shit has been brewing and everyone just kinda overlooked it until now it's too late.
It was not overlooked, it was weaponized. Just like in Germany in the 1930's.
The turning point was 2001. The liberals thought they could use that enemy from within and they thought they could handle the fascists, until they became the fascists. Now they are just like the fascists, but people hate them more than ever, so they directly side with them in order to not be left over when the vanilla fascists takes the power.
Don't call everyone you disagree with Hitler, simply because they are named Adolf Hitler and were the leader of the German "Third Reich", committed genocide and started a world war. So quick with the name calling, really /s (calling things by their true name, that is)
Just because someone subscribes to a fascist ideology and chooses to put you and your family into a concentration camp doesn't make them a nazi. And before you raise your voice; I'd like to remind you that calling other people names is hurtful, unless you're speaking truth to power like me. So shut up, I know what's best for your kind.
If we want a brighter future, then we all have to make sacrifices. For me that means that I have to sacrifice my ability to think critically and reflect on my own actions, and for you it means that you have to sacrifice your life. Now please stop crying and get into the mass grave. Thank you, now apologize for calling me a nazi.
Thank you, I accept your apology.
gunshot
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI
Australia is doing this irl
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/feb/19/police-seize-art-posters-depicting-trump-putin-and-netanyahu-in-nazi-uniforms-from-canberra-bar-ntwnfb
So the people who don't like this are Nazi's?
Who else would be upset with those people being depicted in nazi uniforms?
lol 12 comments on hexbear
lmao
I read that quote in mom's voice in my head. Kinda like "don't swear honey, it makes you look uncivilized." Then I wondered, is there a civilized way to call someone a nazi?
FWIIII^Huh!^ ^Hooh!^ ^Huh!^ ^Hooh!^ ^Huh!^ ^Hooh!^The ones who come out of the woodwork when you agree with the Nuremburg Trial execution verdicts will write novels.
I distinctly remember calling someone out as Nazi for misogynistic comments and yet denies being one, despite literally posting Nazi like slogans. Fascists love to act in bad faith and they know it.
Not all people I disagree with are Nazis; there’s also Nazisraelis, Saudis and other Muslim autocrats, Hindu Nationalists, etc.
Don't forget vegans, vegetarians, pescetarians, Jehovah's witnesses, scientologists, Xbox fans, playstation fans, Nintendo fans, train enthusiasts, aviation enthusiasts and Frank. Frank in particular Is a piece of work.
Well then name a better method of transporting a massive number of people away from a stadium without just reinventing the train.
But what about if we were to use self driving cars in a virtual chain on a dedicated lane to eliminate congestio... Ah shit did it again
What if we used a series of self driving buses which would use cameras to follow painted lines on the ground in a preset pattern?
FUCK! THAT'S TRAINS AGAIN!
LOL
Conveyor belts, like in The Roads Must Roll! Continuously moving main conveyors, with feeder conveyors to get on and off!
Maybe Linux Arch users?
How to find reactionaries:
This is the way.
FUCK NAZIS
No, punch them. No sex for Nazis.
Don't call people you disagree with nazis... Oh.
Fuck Nazi’s and Zionists
“They’re the same picture.”
Oh, so now anybody with a difference of opinion of what objects to hold or not hold is a, "sick freak?"
Make the person look in the mirror.
How to find nazis:
Step 1: look in their Graves
Fin
"You found the Nazis". Now what? Have a nice day.
Now what? Depends
::: spoiler CW: Death, Hypocrisy :::
There's a logic flaw in this post and that makes me feel uncertain if this is just ragebaiting or what... It certainly feels like it, and it is kinda worrisome and sad if we let this kinda shit content drive the platform usage into senseless insult throwing (I'm kinda expecting that I'll be called a Nazi for not agreeing on what this post represents, precisely my point).
You can say "fuck Nazis" and I'd agree. Fuck them, hard with a cactus. If someone disagrees with "fuck Nazis" sure, you found the Nazi. I agree with that. If in a conversation someone is defending a Nazi ideology or some clear Nazi shit, yeah call them Nazis and anyone defending them are clearly aligned on that shit.
But then step two of the image makes no sense.
Saying fuck Nazis is not the same as calling someone who disagrees with you a Nazi. If someone would call someone a Nazi for disagreeing on some random topic, and someone says don't call them Nazis just because they don't agree with you, that doesn't make them a Nazi. There is nuance here, what was it they disagreed with? It feels like the post is just trying to give way to the fact that if you call anyone a Nazi and they disagree that makes them even more Nazi. It the same shit as accusing someone of stealing and when they deny it you answer with "that's what a thief would say". Well yeah, but it is also what a non-thief would say. So it proofs nothing.
Can't we just agree on hating Nazis and calling a Nazi to anyone making a Nazi salute or saying Nazi shit or defending Nazi shit? Can we agree that saying "don't call people who disagree with you a nazi" doesn't immediately imply they are Nazis? It doesn't make any fucking sense, and I'd wish to see better content in Lemmy than this baity shit. Instead of this shit, post a nice image that says "fuck Nazis" with a middle finger as decoratiin, and I'm sure you will see less crap than in this post.
It's not a flaw it's the point.
It's meant to help show those saying be nice to nazis. That's it.
I may be over thinking it, but that's not what it reads like to me. Like at all.
The post doesn't say "anyone defending a Nazi" is a Nazi. Which sure, makes sense. I agree.
The post says "anyone saying that you shouldn't call a Nazi to those who disagree with you means they are by extension Nazis". That assumes that calling someone a Nazi can never be wrong if they disagree with you and you are not a Nazi. Someone that is not a Nazi can disagree with someone that is not a Nazi. The post seems to try and create discord by saying that a witch hunt against Nazis is perfectly fine because Nazis are shit. And anyone against a witch hunt of Nazis means they are a Nazi. Well, I'm against all kind of witch-hunts because they are based on accusing whoever just out of hatred with very little way of fighting against it fairly.
Or to explain my meaning in a different way. I'm against the death penalty. That means that I don't want any form of legal death penalty, even if someone is a Nazi. Does that mean now that I treat Nazis too nicely? I can see and understand that someone disagrees with me and I would disagree with someone proposing the death penalty for nazis. They can call me a Nazi then I guess? Just because I'm against the death penalty? I'm not against the death penalty to defend Nazis, I'm just against the death penalty. This post is in my opinion just shit trying to ragebait. I don't see who could benefit from it, but surely there are possible reasons for it.
It does, that's the person out of nowhere saying
None of this is specific to anything or anyone unless that person is disagreeing with fuck nazis.
You are 100% overthinking this.
No it doesn't say that. Maybe you're not overthinking it enough. I'll walk through the proof referring to the numbering in the post. The post is saying: "anyone is probably a Nazi(3), who's saying that you shouldn't call everyone you disagree with a Nazi(2), if they are saying it in the following special context: they are saying it, even though you didn't do that at all! Not even remotely. You simply made an obvious statement about real genuine actual Nazis in general being bad(1), but they somehow took offence to what should be the most uncontroversial statement ever(1) and came out and created a strawman to attack you for something you didn't do(2). Simply because they don't like the one thing they know about you: that you don't like Nazis(1). Now why might that be? Well probably because they are a Nazi(3). qed
To me it's really very simple. No, not everyone we dislike or disagree with is a Nazi. However, anyone who takes offense to "Fuck Nazis" is either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing really.
say what you want about the tenants of national socialism, atleast it's an ethos
Dont call the people who say "dont call people you disagree with nazi's" nazi's.
Checkmate.
Eh, posting something a group disagrees with will always drag that group out.
It's like posting "bicycles should be banned inside cities" to draw out cyclists.
...yeah... that's the point.
This isn't logical, just popular.
The nazis are the ones defending a non-sequitur?
I really dont get it. Am I the nazi in this joke?
this is so unreasonably effective
I looked through their history and can confirm that your post caught another one.
I did post this Bernie Sanders videos once:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vf-k6qOfXz0
Because I like unions, low housing prices, and an effective minimum wage that isn't eroded or bypassed by illegal workers.
Youre a nazi. Fuck nazis.
There I did it. Hopefully a nazi falls in my trap.
It's not a non-sequitor for Nazis and is meant to draw them out. You saying it is, makes you indistinguishable to a Nazi in the context of this thread
Only a Sith thinks in absolutes.
Only a liberal quotes an absolute statement to claim that absolutes are bad, proving once again that their entire worldview is based on screenwriting and vibes with critical thinking nowhere to be found.
Its a movie franchise about swordfighting space wizards, and that's honestly enough to discredit the top-level comment without diving deeper
Don't use an ableist pejorative.
Either way, leftists arguing against liberalism and fascism is to be expected.
You're right, that was over the line and I'm sorry.
No worries, just try to be more careful next time.
What an amazing counterpoint you've mustered. I can really tell I'm dealing with top grade liberal intelligentsia here.
How are you so sure I'm a liberal and not a fascist?
I'm not so sure there's much of a difference.
Ok, cool.
Unrelated to the topic: I never understood this, because only a fool thinks in non-absolutes
(it is possible to find examples of how Sith were smart and brave enough to see ugly reality for what it is, but I am not that deep into Star Wars lore)
Most of the "falling to the dark side" episodes was caused by jedis recognising the reality, they just not only weren't mentally equipped to face it, as they existed in peak of idealist thought, but the universe is also the prime example of the swerve and people on the dark side seemingly immediately kill younglings or massacre indigenous tribes or something like this, regardless of reasons they "fall".
Where do I get my membership card then?
There was only one!?
Fuck off, dweeb. Go get bullied for being an unlovable subhuman
That's what I'm trying to do here!
The real question is... is the poster trying to drive engagement, or division.
I see that over at fascist.world, it's considered divisive to say fuck nazis
I'm not saying it's divisive to say fuck nazis. But calling someone you know almost nothing about a nazi seems a bit extreme. Mostly because the level of willing misinterpretation on here is stupid high. I could say fuck trump, and somehow there will be people who will call me a trump supporter. It boggles the mind.
Lmao dude this was a post against unspecified hypothetical nazis, anyone who decided to get offended by it put their name to it themselves. A hit dog hollers.
Sure, except no one got offended. Though I guess I didn't read the most recent responses. So maybe someone did, but I kinda doubt it.
Unless that's the one thing you know for sure about them.
not helping your case there
Actually, the votes prove my point.
Ok reactionary
Division against...genocidal fucks? Uh yeah, I sure hope it does
See that would be great. But it actually causes division between people who agree that the genocidal fucks should be dragged out int the street and ..... but don't agree to jumping to conclusions or over generalizations.
The actual supporters of genecidal fucks aren't here to be divisive against.
There are plenty of liberals and reactionaries here, actually
Well that is true. The democrats are genocidal fucks as well.
What part of "fuck nazis" do you disagree with?
Maybe its the space inbetween. He wants to be a fucknazi xD
Don't think they disagreed with that part.
I think it's just recognizing the complexity of a world where even nazis will call their enemies "nazis" if it's useful to them.
The "if you are offended when I call you a nazi you are a nazi" is a weird take to begin with.
I think the comment you are replying to isn't arguing with the fuck nazis part, but the behaviour where progressive groups can be divided and conquered by socializing animosity between them.
Like when atheists were fighting against the heritage foundation, until they had to defend against claims of being bigots because "wanting to make circumcision generally illegal in the USA means you are pro FGM and you hate women, and if you argue otherwise it is an admission of guilt"
And all of the progressives were shamed out until the very groups that were actively fighting groups like the heritage foundation were terraformed into actual incel chud hangouts, while academic feminists were drowned out by the same culture war bullshit, helping to generally paint feminists as cringe karens, rather than a bastion against political movements by groups like the heritage foundation.
If you don't know why I keep talking about the heritage foundation, it's because they are the project 2025 people in no small part responsible for the current actual fascist push.
But.. That's difficult to explain while confronted by absolutist tribalism.
Don't be divided and conquered. It's harder for progressives to coordinate due to group complexity, but it's important not to do the work of the fascists for them.
Progressives fighting progressives because its socially expedient to not think about the bigger picture is indeed a big part of why trump is in power, which that comment seems to indicate as a bad thing.
That doesn't matter though if you just imagine their comment was "don't be mean to nazis!!"
If you just pretend they said that, it's so much easier to do the social peacock thing that has kneecapped progressive/leftist groups, and we can just ignore the failures of this behavior, because self reflection is bad for some reason.
There is no 'other part'.
The meme literally is about making this one statement and waiting for people to be offended.
There is no other statement here.
Anything besides this is happening in your head. That's why it's working.
the world is complex, and nazis will use this type of oversimplified comprehension to stop progressive groups from finding common ground.
divide and conquer has been extremely successful for the motives of fascism.
which is no small part why USA is currently run by fascists that keep making threats against my allied country.
we can hate nazis while also being capable of communication past the hypersimplified binaries that are actively useful for nazis.
this is why all the academics keep shouting that americans need to learn to read, and why it really is "that deep."
this isn't "happening in my head." at least any more than anything else from the framing of predictive processing. but that dismissal is generally the response academics have gotten when trying to affect the general social comprehension.
but you haven't really engaged with any of the points i've actually made, creating your own re-interpretation of the conversation that allows you to ignore the points being made, responding to yourself instead, which is great for oversimplified social dogpiling.
It's so funny how you're using so many words, going out of your way spreading what you think is some ultra deep next level wisdom - just to somehow justify why it's ok to be triggered by 'fuck nazis'.
Just so you know, a normal person see this, shrugs and is already on their way to the next thing on their mind. You don't have to have a political agenda to not be triggered by this.
You're so simple minded that you don't notice how you're hooked by this primitive mind trick.
And that you want to sound like some intellectual on top of that is just so hilarious.
nobody here is arguing this. because you can't interpret the words doesn't mean they actually mean this.
"fuck nazis" -> good
"if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you're a nazi." -> bad
"don't call people you disagree with nazis" is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.
and i talk about it because it is important for antifascists to comprehend what framing is when it used against them. and maybe shit wouldn't be half as bad if americans were socialized into comprehending and using more big words, so they can tell the difference between jordan peterson bullshit and actual attempts to communicate more complicated topics.
hard to talk about the issues if people don't socialize the words and concepts around them.
Haha, you still don't get it.
So let me explain it to you, real slow and simple.
The meme instructs you to post 'fuck nazis' and wait for reactions. There is no engaging besides that one statement. No other context. No discussion. Just this two words.
There is absolutely no reason to react to 'fuck nazis' with some deep philosophical discussion on how it might be problematic to call people nazis.
This might sound wild to you, so believe it or not, but next to nobody on the planet is being called a nazi. That's not an experience the average person makes.
So it's very telling when you actually are triggered. You are forcing a discussion on us nobody asked for.
It's so painfully obvious.
So why are you being useful to Nazis by speaking up and having a hypothetical discourse and being a running dog for Nazism? Sometimes it's just better to not say anything as an antifascist and seeing Nazis show themselves (only Nazis would get triggered/baited to comment on a meme like this)
Interesting lingo you use there
Have you dipshit considered that fash seeing no "social peacock" might let them think they're in good company as they're unopposed? You think calling out "virtues signaling" is a good counter that fash have? Why are you doing this for them?
at literally no point was i being "a running dog for nazism" and repeatedly i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement.
"Interesting lingo you use there "
how can i phrase it without setting off your imaginary dog whistles? also i get these concepts from.. anti-fascist academics.
i do agree that it's important to flag nazis as bad, and socially reify that, but also that we need to be able to point out when the more clever nazis get the stupidest portion of progressives to socialize that other progressive groups are the real nazis, and that even trying to discuss the matter is an admission of guilt.
the original comment i was discussing a bout was talking about the FRAMING.
like saying "right thing for the wrong reasons." which is important, because sometimes failing to distinguish helps the nazis.
this is the part about blue curtains, but you have not yet actually noticed the point we are making beyond your simpler interpretation of what is being said.
as a progressive and a leftist, i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success.
but let's keep ignoring all of that, because academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes.
Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement.
Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance?
I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad.
Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread?
the points you've shared are repeated ad nauseam by an overwhelming majority that have clearly reasoned them out of misinformation, triggering automatic disregard. (ie akin to the arguments like human nature prevents socialism).
there's now doubt that it's willful ignorance given that you try to persist and explain them, but then again so too do the disingenuous.
I agree that we have to be careful about who we call nazis, and who they call nazis, but if you get offended by the phrase "fuck nazis", without further context or identifiers, then I'm ok with saying fuck off.
“fuck nazis” -> good
“if i call your group nazis, and you get offended, you’re a nazi.” -> bad
“don’t call people you disagree with nazis” is a response to the second example. conflating it with the first is the problem.
words matter, and calling out bad framing should not set off tribal dogpiling.
But the second part didn't happen. You went straight from 1 to 3. You are jumping to defend nazis. Fuck nazis.
"you are jumping to defend nazis."
where in your addled imagination did i say that?
because i've said in several different ways "fuck nazis, and fuck the social mechanisms empowering nazis."
but "this framing is bad and has actively helped the nazis." becomes "i love nazis" to people who can't fucking read.
which is why they love the uneducated.
and why the progressive movements actively fighting this shit for decades have been socially dogpiled into being "cringe," and chastised by insulting people with big words, because only nazis talk about framing and use big words. i often talk about jordon peterson types poisoning this particular well with their intentional bullshit.
so, was it my support for atheist and feminist thinkers? was it my hate for the heritage foundation? what part of that is defending nazis exactly?
If you don't have a problem with "fuck nazis", then we're good. If you see "fuck nazis" and want to defend them, fuck off. If you're good with "fuck nazis" then we're good.
A fellow Heritage Foundation enjoyer, I see!
A rare treat! Let me introduce you to THE COUNCIL OF FOREIGN RELATIONS, which is the parent of the HF.
https://www.cfr.org/
Please note the membership of both organizations are often the same people. This is public information available at both orgs.
https://www.heritage.org/
The CFR is the parent organization, sponsoring many academic studies that support their agenda.
The Heritage Foundation is "CFR for dummies". You'll note no academic studies there, it's more directly opinion pieces, often with a Christian spin. This has been very effective in the USA for obvious reasons.
If you're adventurous, please note the sponsors of the CFR and so on... it's a rabbit hole.
Be careful with the truth in mixed company online, as you can be banned for "conspiracies", even if it is public information that can easily be verified through the actual organizations themselves.
They don't even bother to hide it... why bother? The public is easily manipulated (as your story re atheists vs. Heritage affirms)
p.s. oh dear, the poster I responded to has been banned. things aren't looking good for Mulligrubs
Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post.
I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too.
There're two claims being made here.
Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and
anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi.
Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act.
I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises.
Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon...
Nuance? Sounds awfully like Nazi!
It feels better to make cartoon villains out of people who are wrong than to entertain any differences between the worst thing you can think of and someone who doesn't happen to share your views (however obviously correct they may seem).
Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post.
The sentiment of the post is "fuck nazis". What do you disagree with about that?
No the sentiment is anybody who disagrees with calling people nazis is a nazi. We all know this term gets thrown around very loosely.
Nah, fuck nazis. If someone does nazi shit, they are nazis.
We all know you hear it a lot.
You are a Nazi, cause you cannot even see you doing "the sentiment" of the OP.
It's so funny how good this works.
every time
i find it scary
TIL "fuck nazis" is absolutist rhetoric that makes us equal to Bush Jr.
What part of "fuck Nazis" do you disagree with?
Nothing. I disagree with the sentiment of the post.
Why?
I appreciate you using your brain and resisting the circlejerk. You can’t just call everybody that disagrees with you some leftist dog whistle (nazi, fascist, bigot, shill, AI, xphobic) and think you’re effecting positive change. Bring people in, don’t shut people out. The only change you’re effecting is making people mad at you and then we have situation like Trump winning a second term.
Nobody is calling everyone that disagrees with us Nazis. You added that.
You're inventing a strawman to argue against.
Classic lib.world allowing fascists on their instance. Why am I not surprised?
Post hog
Thank you! Case in point. Disagree with somebody and label them some leftist dog whistle. In this case, I am now a fascist.
LOL every time.
Thank you for your service
I have no dog in this fight, but you've literally been arguing for three hours that you definitely didn't mean to get upset at nazis being called out, after clearly getting upset about nazis being called out.
Maybe you should put the phone down and do some self reflection rather than parroting right wing talking points and having a meltdown over something that should be easy to agree with (fuck nazis).
The fact that you sling leftist around like an insult despite it being the most common political identifier in the world makes me think you'll likely just spew angry word vomit at me to make yourself feel justified that I'm an evil socialist, despite not knowing anything about me 🤷
Didn't realize they used leftist as an insult, it's hilarious
That honestly explains so much