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kbin.earth

And NOW you can honetly say that, yes, everybody was indeed kung fu fighting.

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Avicennareply
programming.dev

The first ever teslabot demonstration was an actual human in a costume, pretending to be a robot...

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China out here with scripted robots that while not super useful can show off the limits of our technology in impressive ways.

America. Back to slavery but with a metal exterior

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That's extremely impressive. As soon as these can do this stuff on random surfaces and with spatial awareness then we are probably past the event horizon for some significant, scary and futuristic shit.

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lemmy.ml

you do realize that's propaganda spread by a cult that convinces people they can purify their organs to the point of gaining levitation abilities right?

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Synapsereply
lemmy.world

Propaganda of what ? The robots will collect human organs so they can finally solve the trolley problem. Needs many MANY repetition of the experiment. They just happened to understand only Mandarin because they were created in China.

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libs basically have all the intellectual capacity of a parrot, proudly regurgitating a handful of lines they memorized

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lemmy.ml

Once receiving the signal Chinese household robots sold to the west gonna do project atomic heart, by kicking you in the nuts.

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Mechatronics engineers and scifi nerds from the 90s would salivate over what's on offer in robotics today.

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Now that's what i call a flex of your technological power between tradition and modernity. Fantastic performance.

Random thought, I know it's still better to not have wars at all, but future wars would be nicer and more fair if losing meant receiving a knock-out kick in yo nuts from a martial art master robot instead of being killed by random boring drones.

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Not as clumsy or random as an imperial trooper US Marine, but an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

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fum
lemmy.world

We really do live in the cyber punk dystopia predicted. It's just way less neon lights.

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eldavireply
lemmy.ml

only if you live in upper north america; western europe; or australia. lol

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tomiantreply
piefed.social

That's damn true. All of SE Asia is basically a neon (*actually LED) vortex

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Sigh... I mean... I tried. And while there is much to be said for it, there is a lot to be said against it too. It's kind of a win some lose some deal. Depends on where you live. If I was in the USA I'd fuck right off to basically anywhere, and SE Asia wouldn't be a bad bet. Thing is, they don't just accept people willy nilly. Unless you want to endure a permanent border hopping enema, you need a work visa, student visa, or retirement visa, and those all come with their own hurdles.

Good luck tho, I can def vibe with the sentiment.

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lemmy.ca

Very nice

Also very scary as this is just the next step after what Boston dynamics has already shown. You can bet your ass that military leaders are jerking off over these things

Granted, their battery life will still be Abysmal but that too is being resolved over time.

I'm not afraid of self aware terminators. I'm afraid of sad dictators with tiny penis syndrome getting access to shit like this in, say, a decade from now.

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Typotyperreply
sh.itjust.works

I think most of this is choreographed. Autonomous killing machines are probably a few weeks away

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Kachereply
lemmy.zip

I'd think autonomous killing machines wouldn't have a humanoid shape, as it would be optimized for efficient lethality and not things like grasping external tools and all-terrain movement that is calorically efficient and biomechanically sustainable.

This concept short film came out in 2019: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU

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I can see them having to fill multipurpose roles. Patrolling Guard, escort, checkpoint guards, tunnel rat, climb, then the straight out killing machine. No different than the combat teams we have today. APC, tank, specialty teams (motor),

If it came to fighting them humans would resort to tactics to defeat them or take away their advantage. Tunnels and ladders would be simplest examples.

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lemmy.today

These are copying human movements i think. But yeah, there is an attempt to make these robots look cool so humans wont resist when they patrol the streets.

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lemmy.ml

These are copying human movements i think

You're saying that like it's not impressive even if that were true. Human motion capture can't react fast enough to loss of balance with the speed of the moves they were doing (neither can a fully pre-programmed routine with no real time processing), especially for something smaller than the human operator for which you wouldn't have the intuition of how to right it, especially with conventional motion capture that doesn't give you feedback like moving your body does (unless they built a fully featured motion capture system that's both super low latency and gives the operator complete and accurate mechanical feedback on all degrees of freedom, in which case you'd think they'd feature that more than the robots themselves because that's way more impressive.) Even if they were all piloted by humans, they're still autonomously processing all those motion inputs to be compatible with its body.

But yeah, there is an attempt to make these robots look cool so humans wont resist when they patrol the streets.

Don't worry, we'll never have this problem in the West because humans over here like being police bastards too much to let some robots take their fun away.

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Don't worry, we'll never have this problem in the West because humans over here like being police bastards too much to let some robots take their fun away.

Most Americans would be happy if the cops just started wearing better tasting boots

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Oh man can you imagine if they made a control interface fit a hamster or a lab mouse. The hilarity that would follow to have a line of these doing material arts and one just running in place and trying to stuff food in it's speaker box.

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lemmy.ml

But will they be properly taught to harass and murder people for not being white enough?

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1984reply
lemmy.today

I mean, sure, you can probably make an argument for less racism when we have robots. But still, its going to be pretty horrible for everyone.

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Probably not one that stands up to scrutiny.

If they have fixed programming, the bias would be consistent, but still there, because it would be based upon systems that are already inherently bias.

Any current ML system is beholden to the data/constraints it was built with, if inherent bias exists in the data it will exist in the resulting system.

That's before you even start taking in to account the infrastructure that would be managing them being potentially corrupt or having their own interpretations of "public safety".

"These bots from are bringing in more cases against the <"good" people>, but these ones from can be tweaked to target the <"bad" people>, which of these two companies should we purchase our inventory from ?"

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lemmy.ml

At 0:32 when the robots bend their knees they all do two little hops with one foot to keep balanced, but not all robots are doing the same hop. The middle robot does two large hops whereas the left rear robot does one small hop and then only lifts his "toes".

It could be a combination of pre-programmed movements with a balancing program on top

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Yeah or just multiple people controlling groups of them. Its impressive though, sure. I just hate the idea behind it - to get people to like these things.

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lemmy.ml

Looks nice. Not excited to be fighting to the death on some random hill surrounded by a thousand of these.

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Phunterreply
lemmy.zip

Don't worry, you're much more likely to be instantly annihilated by a tiny suicide drone.

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We in the west don't even remember what a society can achieve without the bloodsucking billionaire parasites and shareholders siphoning off wealth. For us that would be "splurging", for less insane societies it would be common sense.

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I think the main difference here is that the kung fu robots were trained by copying the movements of kung fu masters, and Elon's robot was trained by copying the movements of someone looking for the nearest toilet while trying to hold in a really big shit but the turtles head is already poking through and the rest isn't far behind.

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lemmy.world

Well at least they seem short so we should be able to just throw them or kick them over with ease

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have you seen the little boxing matches they set up with these? they're so silly

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Why do they look mocap and not robotic? Like if it's a robot, the movements should be far more efficient and literally robotic looking. This just looks like "look, we can make them execute scripted macro movements with micro auto adjustments". Which is an achievement in itself, but not exactly as advanced as this video suggests at face value. I could be wrong, but something about it feels off to me and this is just my guess as to why.

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mavureply
discuss.tchncs.de

because that's what this is. Premade animations choreographed and scripted.

BUT

Do you have any idea what insane technology in soft and hardware is neccessary to make this happen?

this is beyond impressive, and China is way ahead of everyone else. Electric cars, Robotics, Renewable energy, medical research, Drone technology. The west needs to get rid of the incompetent conservatives that cling to a world that no longer exists or the west is the new third world.

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Yeah, don't compare them to the ideal in your head. Compare them to the best their competitors have put out there.

You know, like the assholes here in the US that would just have humans remote control them from the next room to get worse results. And yeah of course China can lie and fake shit too, but I think this would probably be just as impressive if they were all mimicking the movements of a mocap-suited athlete off stage.

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lemmy.ml

I find the fact that westerners can only imagine howany new technology will be used against them is the surest sign that western civilization is an utter failure.

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SCmSTRreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

You're making a lot of deeply flawed assumptions here.

Imagining bad scenarios doesn't mean it's the only thing one can imagine. Also, I don't think the person specified in what way "we" are screwed; it could have been humanity in general, which would be akin to science fiction as a cautionary tale; it could have been internationally. Also, people often have mixed feelings about technology, and one person expressing a single comment of caution I think hardly defines the failure of all of whatever "western" civilization is.

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mavureply
discuss.tchncs.de

It's kind of fun to see you recognize that there are assumptions at play, and then do the same yourself. Technology as a threat. What if the threat is not the technology, but the west's inability to keep their resources from being stolen by shareholders and billionaires? Because that is what is holding us back from developing and making the future ourselves. we just watch all of our resources go to infighting, incompetent management egos, and mega-yachts and fighting progress.

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Doomsiderreply
lemmy.world

China produced more billionaires than the US this last year. Clearly things are not what they appear anymore.

Also, the West has been completely fascist for a very long time thus the system is supposed give all the resources to the wealthy. Democracy and China's communism are just window dressings for capitalists.

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m532reply
lemmy.ml

Now that they're successful you want to claim its capitalism? Nope. Its socialism, always has been.

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The protest in Tiananmen Square were anti-western capitalist reforms. Sad to know you can't be bothered with actual history.

There was never socialism or communism. It was a dictatorship that turned fascist.

You want proof? Billionaires buddy.

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lemmy.ml

I'm not making any assumptions, I'm going by what I see as the predominant narrative regarding any new technology in the west. All I see is people moaning how AI or robots will end us all. Whether they're referring to us collectively or just to the west is irrelevant.

My point is that people living under the dictatorship of capital have a negative view of technology because technological progress isn't used in public interest. It's used by the oligarchs for oppression and surveillance, and hence people fear that any new technology will be used to repress them further.

We can contrast this with the mood I'm China where most people are optimistic regarding technological progress because they see technology improving their lives with things like high speed trains, amazing public infrastructure, factory automation, and so on.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

I want to give you a hug. You must consume so much propaganda to think us different.

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i wish you could recognize that you consume just as much propaganda as the chinese, the difference being that your propaganda is aimed at keeping you small and fight your own fellow citizens, whereas the chinese propaganda is telling it's people that they are doing great things, and how they can shape the world by working together.

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What an insightful counterpoint you've mustered there, I'm truly in awe at the quality of your intellect.

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Are we sure this isn’t AI made video? This looks so unreal to me. Last time I saw human robots, they didn’t even go up in the staircase.

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it would be very very good AI made, and i have seen those robots do these things in tech demos before, so they definitely exist.

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Does anyone actually want this? Like it's kind of interesting but is it actually something anyone wants?

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harmbuglerreply
piefed.social

What do you mean, as entertainment? Most people currently seem entertained by these.

But this is just getting started.

As helpful androids? Sure, can it one day clean my house and do my shopping? I'd buy one (though I suppose they would have some awful privacy problems).

As military robots? Can they one day operate a tank? Carry and fire weapons? I can think of a few people that want that.

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slrpnk.net

Well there you go... I guess I am in the minority on this. I don't want these things anywhere near me or my family.

But yes I can imagine cops loving the idea of these things crushing protestors throats in the street.

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Yes I can see some really altruistic uses for these but they’re outweighed by the malicious ones.

Like RING cameras and the other brands, would be super cool to help locate lost children and elderly but bad people are going to use them for fascism.

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I imagine a display such as this drives Elon mad with the dismal human-dancing-in-a-costume display he put on for his completing product. If true, I want this.

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I absolutely want to see robots automating hard manual labor. I also want to see affordable personal robots that can take care of all my chores so I can enjoy doing things I'm actually interested in.

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