My boss sat me down recently and was telling me about how I needed to adapt because AI was going to take my job soon. Somehow it was suppose to be an inspiring meeting about my career growth. I just walked away blackpilled at the stupidity of leadership in the company. Oh yeah, we are 1 year into an AI adoption program and most people stopped using it 6 months ago due to it making them look like idiots with it's mistakes.
I hate that word. I used a possessive apostrophe like this (its') for years before somebody finally told me that rule doesn't apply to its for some unknown reason.
I recently started and left a dev job after just over 2 weeks because the new boss was chugging the AI kool-aid. Luckily I got a late offer from another place I'd applied to and I was able to get the fuck out of there.
Eh... don't want to be mean but that's what's called an "IP address" for Internet Protocol Address... but this one is for your LAN, aka Local Area Network.
So that won't work, people outside your LAN can't reach it. What you need instead is a domain. What most people don't know though is that there is a special domain name anybody can use for free! Check this out, assuming your LLM did the right setup do all that step, making website, starting Web server then try :
https://localhost/ and voila, free domain from your newly generated websites!
As a web designer (well, customizer/reseller for small businesses) I definitely thought I was done for when I heard AI could spit out a functional website in one prompt. Then I saw some examples and realized it's just going to be another thing clients bring me, begging for a fix. No problemo, small upcharge.
Saw a generated site, but it just made up plausible image links and also went image heavy so it was a bunch of broken image icons as it linked to nowhere.
I made an entire website for my ship using notepad by frankensteining together other websites. Everyone on board thought I was a genius. How wrong they are.
This goes back some years, back when the ping of death was still a thing. I used to hang out in IRC channels and someone decided they needed to show me what a real hacker could do. The dork asked for my IP which was hilarious to begin with, so I replied “127.0.0.1”. About 2 seconds later I see them disconnect from IRC.
A minute goes by and they are back online, spitting mad. Tells me i’m lucky their computer crashed but I’d better get ready…and disconnected again.
Back again and folks are dying laughing thanks to my 1337 teenage hacker skills but eventually someone spills that 127.0.0.1 is localhost. Instantly I’m talking to zero cool again and was too scared to give out my actual address. Being a hardened nerd, this time I complied.
I was on slackware and had already figured out their game from the get go; oh and I actually knew how to find an IP. So right in the middle of this future titan of industry’s insults and threats…they disconnect one last time. 😎
IRC exposed users ips, so not only did they not understand their low orbit ion cannon firing at localhost was self inflicted, but they didn't actually need to ask for your ip at all.
This reminds me of a video where a girl was like "yeah so you know all that streaming stuff is so expensive? Thanks to AI I coded my own Netflix streaming site..."
And there was this one comment like "Backend???" and she was like "Yeah I dont know what that is, but if you want a part 2 I can do that later"
😂
No hate, but I am relieved to switch back to Windows 10 after a year of Fedora. Partly because I need Windows for work, but mostly because Fedora and GNOME suck.
I gave Claude a shot at guiding me through an install of a matrix home server the other day. It got about halfway through before it absolutely shat itself. I mean like going in circles and completely incapable of breaking itself out.
And that's for a fairly easy sysadmin task. Not even doing it right, just doing it to the point where the service can be brought up and be accessible. I cannot believe anyone is under the impression that these bots are going to take anyone's jobs. The only thing that's going to "destroy jobs" is the rabid desperation management has to destroy labor.
Yeah that's a common issue I've seen with Gemini and ChatGPT as well. They can do simple tasks but as soon as it's something that requires more than a 5-6 steps, or if there are complications along the way they will get lost. Also ChatGPT will commonly just make up commands if it doesn't actually know how to do something.
I will say that after I went back to my normal usage pattern of going as far as I could alone and then asking the chatbot what went wrong it did save me a ton of time by suggesting I check whether caddy was importing from conf.d, which it wasn't.
I would have gotten there eventually, but not was it nice not having to hunt through snarky unhelpful forum comments on my own.
I just did a long winded reply to your other comment before seeing this one. Seems like we landed in the same place! Hope the server is working well you
It's been a good decade since I did any "serious" sysadmin tasks.
I get to do it again because it appears we actually do want some features synapse supports that conduit doesn't, door knocking being a big one. I also get to write user facing documentation as well; the "techy" person I enlisted to help me test the core conduit services got very frustrated by the onboarding process even with my handholding.
I sound annoyed but I genuinely love doing this kinda stuff. I'm stupid, and figuring out where I screwed up is fun. Plus I get to make an onboarding webpage to explain things, which is gonna be loads of fun
I did the same thing a few days ago, but I'm also pretty well versed with self hosting tedious-to-configure services. I would have spent hours rabbit-holing before setting up, and Claude just sped up the process.
I spent most of my time researching and forming an action plan, arguably the most important piece. Within two hours I had a Matrix server stood up with element-web, as well as coturn for calls. Setting up Element-Call for groups took a little longer, but not terrible all told.
I guess what I'm saying is if you're experienced with a given task, it can be a really great tool to speed things along. If you want to sit back and have it run the show, you're going to have a rough time.
Basically I'd make something look like how I wanted, then just delete all the extra trash and repeating tags until I knew enough of what it did to write my own.
Unfortunately everything else I learned was ethereal and went away, and I’ve got a learning disability that really doesn’t like it when a new system is slightly different than a previous system I’d learned.
I was all in on .shtml (anything but php or css), Shockwave/Macromedia Director 7 and Bryce for graphics.
I could never get back into it using the mainstream stuff.
Same here! I started sprinkling in JavaScript from copy and paste snippets you’d find all over the web and eventually I moved on to PHP (for a small while) then Ruby on Rails.
I thought I used Coffezilla, but it looks like maybe it was CoffeeCup, except at a glance I'm not sure that's a WYSIWYG editor. Maybe things changed in the intervening decades.
Somewhere, in the dephts of the ancient 56k web, exists a website I made with friends when we were in middle school. It's actually still online, and half of the resources are pulled from urls like file:///D:/MegaSite/lol.JPG
This data has been lost forever, but yet, somehow, parts of that yesteryears afternoon at my friend's are still here.
FrontPage was initially created by Cambridge, Massachusetts company Vermeer Technologies, Incorporated, evidence of which can be easily spotted in file names and directories prefixed _vti_ in web sites created using FrontPage. Vermeer was acquired by Microsoft in January 1996 specifically so that Microsoft could add FrontPage to its product line-up, allowing them to gain an advantage in the browser wars, as FrontPage was designed to create web pages for their own browser, Internet Explorer.
Well, technically you don't need a domain. An IP is enough. If you don't have your own IP (like a shared host) you'll need to put it in a subdirectory but there is no need to have a domain to put something on the Internet.
Yes. My mistake. What I meant to say is that I didn't realize you needed something to host the site on. I tried to send my friend the file and expected them to open it...from my computer.
I had a similar problem in the late 90s except I was in my late 20s and a friend of mine got me into web developing. It took me a couple of weeks to realize I didn't need to spend 30 minutes uploading my work via ftp over a 56K line to see the website. I could have just opened it up with a browser on my own computer. I wasted a lot of time.
In the really early days a guy who loved trolling before trolling had a name had a link on his website that just pointed to the users downloads folder. Really freaked out some people that clicked on it.
I hung in a sysadmins channel on IRC. There was always a new bug/exploit. So many there was never a shortage of ways to lock up or break a windows installation. They would just post random links and hope someone clicked on it. I always used lynx to look at them. It was fun and no one considered at the time using them to steal or rip off people with them.
In one of my programming classes I watched a girl open edge, search bing for Google, then search Google for Yahoo, then search Yahoo for Yahoo Mail. It hurt my soul.
What are you trying to say? You "made" a entirw streaming app, or are you just hosting someting someone else made? Because those are two very different things.
well by I, I mean I yelled at an ai, but i got it to repurpose the torbox stremio addon for movies and tv shows and found an iptv playlist of local channels and boom! my own streaming service, tailored to my needs. I tried the real debrid api and the tor box api but the stremio addon seamed to work a lot better at getting the transcoded streams.
Pretty much sums up a lot of younger people who didn’t grow up learning far more hands-on basic computer use. Z and A are gonna be the “AI” generation that surrenders the last of critical thought and hands it all to walled gardens of instant, tailored, and curated information.
We get support tickets from professional engineers.
Sometimes it is "my software isn't working send me how to get it working." No details on what is not working or what they were doing, so we have to dig the information from them. Like "is your computer on, do you have a network connection, are you connected to your work server, oh you thought google search access is same as VPN to work? ..."
Its rare to get somebody on the call that says "when I open this file and do this, this other thing happens, and here is the sample file and steps I did"
Other things are like: "This software is supposed to output this in this way, but it's not."
So we open the dialog and watch their steps, software says select objects to export, they are clicking Ok with no result, so we have to point out the message they are supposed to read...see where it says select an object to export, and it is highlighted in yellow to draw your attention and has a red asterisk? Yes? Well they are talking to you, you have to do the action required.
I can understand grandma not understanding software, but an engineer is supposed to be a problem solver.
Behold! My vibe coded website!
http://localhost:8080/
That looks exactly like mine! Did you copy me?
Nah, his AI was just trained on the same dataset.
I didn't know those photos had gone public. I swear it isn't what it looks like!
It's asking for a password.
Edit: Never mind, I tried the one from my luggage and it worked.
It’s amazing i love the frontend!
Honestly, it looks like janky shit. That CSS looks like some moron cobbled it together.
Im so disappointed that this isnt a rick roll link
It might be for some of us
At least you got the http server running.
What was that bash.org quote where the guy hacks into 127.0.0.1 and deletes his hard drive?
...works on my machine
My boss sat me down recently and was telling me about how I needed to adapt because AI was going to take my job soon. Somehow it was suppose to be an inspiring meeting about my career growth. I just walked away blackpilled at the stupidity of leadership in the company. Oh yeah, we are 1 year into an AI adoption program and most people stopped using it 6 months ago due to it making them look like idiots with it's mistakes.
The pain of misplaced apostrophes is why I'm not a programmer
Modern compilers have got your back. Simple compile time syntax error are non issues these days for the most part.
I hate that word. I used a possessive apostrophe like this (its') for years before somebody finally told me that rule doesn't apply to its for some unknown reason.
I recently started and left a dev job after just over 2 weeks because the new boss was chugging the AI kool-aid. Luckily I got a late offer from another place I'd applied to and I was able to get the fuck out of there.
Sorry, wrong link for some reason, it's supposed to be http://192.168.1.36/
That is only your local IP, dumbass.
http://127.0.0.1/ is where it is at.
Hate to be that guy, but localhost is 127.0.0.1, not 172.0.0.1 (which is actually a public IP address)
It looks like the whole 172.0.0.0/12 block belongs to AT&T
Ooh, where do you find AT&T block allocations?
https://www.whois.com/whois/172.0.0.1
Thank you — is there a way to find a listing? I tried searching the other day (for unrelated reasons) but couldn't find anything useful.
You might also be able to see the information on IANA's website or ARIN's website
Damn it, I ruined my own joke
Eh... don't want to be mean but that's what's called an "IP address" for Internet Protocol Address... but this one is for your LAN, aka Local Area Network.
So that won't work, people outside your LAN can't reach it. What you need instead is a domain. What most people don't know though is that there is a special domain name anybody can use for free! Check this out, assuming your LLM did the right setup do all that step, making website, starting Web server then try :
https://localhost/ and voila, free domain from your newly generated websites!
... /s
Can I do that from Internet Explorer or do I have to use Safari?
That's actually a great question, safer to ask your LLM directly! So helpful. /s
As a web designer (well, customizer/reseller for small businesses) I definitely thought I was done for when I heard AI could spit out a functional website in one prompt. Then I saw some examples and realized it's just going to be another thing clients bring me, begging for a fix. No problemo, small upcharge.
Small upcharge? Unfucking a whole front end and backend should be more than small.
They may just be fucked front ends running completely client side, with broken functionality due to no backend
Entire website
Also known as the most basic thing you could ever do
Saw a generated site, but it just made up plausible image links and also went image heavy so it was a bunch of broken image icons as it linked to nowhere.
Haha your job is so done
I made an entire website for my ship using notepad by frankensteining together other websites. Everyone on board thought I was a genius. How wrong they are.
This goes back some years, back when the ping of death was still a thing. I used to hang out in IRC channels and someone decided they needed to show me what a real hacker could do. The dork asked for my IP which was hilarious to begin with, so I replied “127.0.0.1”. About 2 seconds later I see them disconnect from IRC.
A minute goes by and they are back online, spitting mad. Tells me i’m lucky their computer crashed but I’d better get ready…and disconnected again.
Back again and folks are dying laughing thanks to my 1337 teenage hacker skills but eventually someone spills that 127.0.0.1 is localhost. Instantly I’m talking to zero cool again and was too scared to give out my actual address. Being a hardened nerd, this time I complied.
I was on slackware and had already figured out their game from the get go; oh and I actually knew how to find an IP. So right in the middle of this future titan of industry’s insults and threats…they disconnect one last time. 😎
IRC exposed users ips, so not only did they not understand their low orbit ion cannon firing at localhost was self inflicted, but they didn't actually need to ask for your ip at all.
Why it was funny in the first place. I knew I was messing with the best.
You did not: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hack-127001#fn12
I mean... this is definitely the kind of stuff that happened to "hacker" kiddos back in the days, this stuff probably happened a lot of time.
I swear on my life this happened to me but I don’t care if you believe me or not.
How do you know that wasn't OP?
He's bringing it back!
This reminds me of a video where a girl was like "yeah so you know all that streaming stuff is so expensive? Thanks to AI I coded my own Netflix streaming site..."
And there was this one comment like "Backend???" and she was like "Yeah I dont know what that is, but if you want a part 2 I can do that later" 😂
Just tell her about Jellyfin I guess
👍
Fuck man, I was talking about this exact shit today.
bro still on windows 💀
No hate, but I am relieved to switch back to Windows 10 after a year of Fedora. Partly because I need Windows for work, but mostly because Fedora and GNOME suck.
Never tried them, what did you hate?
Fedora:
1. Missing Basic GUI Settings
2. Issues
GNOME
(GNOME used in Fedora Workstation)
1. UI Design
2. Customization
3. Wayland / Mutter Compositor
gtk4-layer-shellid prefer fedora with kde for just working. but i personally use arch for gameing :3
I’m sure one day Linux will run the top professional CAD programs. One day.
I gave Claude a shot at guiding me through an install of a matrix home server the other day. It got about halfway through before it absolutely shat itself. I mean like going in circles and completely incapable of breaking itself out.
And that's for a fairly easy sysadmin task. Not even doing it right, just doing it to the point where the service can be brought up and be accessible. I cannot believe anyone is under the impression that these bots are going to take anyone's jobs. The only thing that's going to "destroy jobs" is the rabid desperation management has to destroy labor.
Yeah that's a common issue I've seen with Gemini and ChatGPT as well. They can do simple tasks but as soon as it's something that requires more than a 5-6 steps, or if there are complications along the way they will get lost. Also ChatGPT will commonly just make up commands if it doesn't actually know how to do something.
I will say that after I went back to my normal usage pattern of going as far as I could alone and then asking the chatbot what went wrong it did save me a ton of time by suggesting I check whether caddy was importing from
conf.d, which it wasn't.I would have gotten there eventually, but not was it nice not having to hunt through snarky unhelpful forum comments on my own.
I just did a long winded reply to your other comment before seeing this one. Seems like we landed in the same place! Hope the server is working well you
It's been a good decade since I did any "serious" sysadmin tasks.
I get to do it again because it appears we actually do want some features synapse supports that conduit doesn't, door knocking being a big one. I also get to write user facing documentation as well; the "techy" person I enlisted to help me test the core conduit services got very frustrated by the onboarding process even with my handholding.
I sound annoyed but I genuinely love doing this kinda stuff. I'm stupid, and figuring out where I screwed up is fun. Plus I get to make an onboarding webpage to explain things, which is gonna be loads of fun
I did the same thing a few days ago, but I'm also pretty well versed with self hosting tedious-to-configure services. I would have spent hours rabbit-holing before setting up, and Claude just sped up the process.
I spent most of my time researching and forming an action plan, arguably the most important piece. Within two hours I had a Matrix server stood up with element-web, as well as coturn for calls. Setting up Element-Call for groups took a little longer, but not terrible all told.
I guess what I'm saying is if you're experienced with a given task, it can be a really great tool to speed things along. If you want to sit back and have it run the show, you're going to have a rough time.
Instructions unclear, stuck in Ralph loop
Oh god you got me looking up Ralph loops... Please, I don't need this rabbithole!
I’d sooner use Frontpage.
Frontpage Express is how I learned basic HTML.
Basically I'd make something look like how I wanted, then just delete all the extra trash and repeating tags until I knew enough of what it did to write my own.
Likewise.
Unfortunately everything else I learned was ethereal and went away, and I’ve got a learning disability that really doesn’t like it when a new system is slightly different than a previous system I’d learned.
I was all in on .shtml (anything but php or css), Shockwave/Macromedia Director 7 and Bryce for graphics.
I could never get back into it using the mainstream stuff.
Same here! I started sprinkling in JavaScript from copy and paste snippets you’d find all over the web and eventually I moved on to PHP (for a small while) then Ruby on Rails.
I thought I used Coffezilla, but it looks like maybe it was CoffeeCup, except at a glance I'm not sure that's a WYSIWYG editor. Maybe things changed in the intervening decades.
Somewhere, in the dephts of the ancient 56k web, exists a website I made with friends when we were in middle school. It's actually still online, and half of the resources are pulled from urls like file:///D:/MegaSite/lol.JPG
This data has been lost forever, but yet, somehow, parts of that yesteryears afternoon at my friend's are still here.
I‘d sooner use a 25 year old pirated version of Macromedia Dreamweaver.
Angelfire was the peak.
Man, Frontpage was the fucking bomb. I passed my computing class in highschool by just making websites in frontpage.
This was me in high school. In my first Intro to Computer Science class, they taught me how to make a website in html.
Nobody told me that you need a domain. Guess how I found out.
Well, technically you don't need a domain. An IP is enough. If you don't have your own IP (like a shared host) you'll need to put it in a subdirectory but there is no need to have a domain to put something on the Internet.
Yes. My mistake. What I meant to say is that I didn't realize you needed something to host the site on. I tried to send my friend the file and expected them to open it...from my computer.
I was a bit of a noob back in the day.
Nowadays you can just use notepad and share the link to your Microsoft OneDrive folder...
Better yet, use the latest remote code execution exploit in notepad to install and host a local web server!
I had a similar problem in the late 90s except I was in my late 20s and a friend of mine got me into web developing. It took me a couple of weeks to realize I didn't need to spend 30 minutes uploading my work via ftp over a 56K line to see the website. I could have just opened it up with a browser on my own computer. I wasted a lot of time.
During in my data science master's program, someone unironically sent me a localhost link to a Jupyter Notebook.
In the really early days a guy who loved trolling before trolling had a name had a link on his website that just pointed to the users downloads folder. Really freaked out some people that clicked on it.
Ah the good ol days of Active X. Could pull some pretty sick pranks back then.
I hung in a sysadmins channel on IRC. There was always a new bug/exploit. So many there was never a shortage of ways to lock up or break a windows installation. They would just post random links and hope someone clicked on it. I always used lynx to look at them. It was fun and no one considered at the time using them to steal or rip off people with them.
I made a Zip bomb, hid it, called it virus, and found the school OS reinstalled for what would have been a relatively harmless, and very basic trick.
zip bombs were not really thing back then. A fork bomb the was more common.
Idk, I did some dumb shit with a Zip file.
Oh sure but the first time I saw any mention of a zip bomb was after 2005 or so and the stuff I'm talking about happened around 1995 and 1996.
Oh, I was there at that time, sti in school.
In one of my programming classes I watched a girl open edge, search bing for Google, then search Google for Yahoo, then search Yahoo for Yahoo Mail. It hurt my soul.
And it's ten million lines of typescript on ten nested frameworks.
And the website: "Hello world!"
Which is funny, since even a non-techie can setup a website using wordpress.
A lot of them do.
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Hosting and making a website are very different tasks to me.
Sure, but very cheap and sometimes free tools help a complete beginner do both, without any real technical knowledge.
Don't say the opposite. Just saying writing a web page yourself is much different to using some service.
I made a piracy streaming app with iptv for me to use on my phone and tv.
What are you trying to say? You "made" a entirw streaming app, or are you just hosting someting someone else made? Because those are two very different things.
well by I, I mean I yelled at an ai, but i got it to repurpose the torbox stremio addon for movies and tv shows and found an iptv playlist of local channels and boom! my own streaming service, tailored to my needs. I tried the real debrid api and the tor box api but the stremio addon seamed to work a lot better at getting the transcoded streams.
Local storage? Wouldn't it be saved to their OneDrive?
That's the joke. Guys says his job is done for, by buddy building a website via chatgpt, except the guy knows nothing about how the internet works.
Pretty much sums up a lot of younger people who didn’t grow up learning far more hands-on basic computer use. Z and A are gonna be the “AI” generation that surrenders the last of critical thought and hands it all to walled gardens of instant, tailored, and curated information.
It's already happening.
We get support tickets from professional engineers.
Sometimes it is "my software isn't working send me how to get it working." No details on what is not working or what they were doing, so we have to dig the information from them. Like "is your computer on, do you have a network connection, are you connected to your work server, oh you thought google search access is same as VPN to work? ..."
Its rare to get somebody on the call that says "when I open this file and do this, this other thing happens, and here is the sample file and steps I did"
Other things are like: "This software is supposed to output this in this way, but it's not."
So we open the dialog and watch their steps, software says select objects to export, they are clicking Ok with no result, so we have to point out the message they are supposed to read...see where it says select an object to export, and it is highlighted in yellow to draw your attention and has a red asterisk? Yes? Well they are talking to you, you have to do the action required.
I can understand grandma not understanding software, but an engineer is supposed to be a problem solver.
What you tryna say bout granny? keep her name out your mouth!
This motherfucker over here is ruining the good name of Bens all over the planet
As a Ben, I think I speak for all of us when I say that this Ben does not represent us or our Benly sensibilities.
As a Ben myself, Ben's can eat shit. I've never met a Ben I didn't want to punch or fuck.
So... What happens when you look in a mirror?
I leave you to make assumptions.
self-BDSM
TIL that I'm a programmer
Idk, if you show ai this image itd tell you how to host it
But we're too busy making fun of the ai from 2 years ago that everyone still thinks is current for some reason.
To be fair, it's gotten better in every area scary quick but I still don't trust it since it's always equally confident when wrong
oh snap, root's here
Getting it to open on someone else's computer is like the first thing about web development