Looking at maps, there are no sidewalks or walkways on any of the roads leading to or surrounding the stadium. Pedestrians aren't even an afterthought here.
Hundreds of square miles of tollway spaghetti. When I lived in NYC I was convinced that it's intentionally confusing, so that you exit and enter through the toll booths over and over.
If you want to say the overall conditions that led to this were profit motivated (ie high car owning, excessive land used for roads), then sure. But the specific decision not to add a bike lane or sidewalk likely wasn't directly motivated by automotive lobbying.
It’s NJ, it’s intentional. There are sidewalks in small towns, but almost no sidewalks outside of them. On most roads like 38 and 541, you literally have to walk on the grass next to the road. Public transportation is surprisingly decent for a US state, specifically going from South Jersey into Philly is really easy.
Source: I grew up there and walked everywhere. It was terrible.
There's 12 times more land dedicated to parking than to the actual stadium. I think this one is a popular meme on anti-car communities because of that.
Think of the massive investment this country made in itself postwar. Schools, highways, libraries, research and development of technologies, electrification, parks, all the sciences from medical to astrophysics, wages, pensions, and yes, even sidewalks…the list goes on and on. Then the ‘70s and ‘80s hit us with massive tax changes that favored the wealthy and companies while cutting government spending.
Sidewalks are city funded and maintained. Not profitable. The US is car-centric for multiple reasons…mostly profit. And we’re anti-poor. Because only the poor wouldn’t have a car, and they’re not profitable.
Even pre-war. Every once in a while I notice some older infrastructure, discover it was WPA and am amazed how well it’s held up, but why don’t we do that anymore? Sure their approach was intentionally labor-intensive to get people back to work after the Great Depression and we don’t need to follow that part, but why doesn’t anyone seem to care about making the world a nicer place
Some lots around met life include a shuttle as part of the parking fee. It sucks, you pay over $100 for a parking spot 3 miles from the stadium and then have to watch a jets or Giants game.
The shuttle goes from the parking lot to the stadium. Met life stadium is in the middle of nowhere on the side of a highway. The lots are so big and widespread that there are busses so people don't have to walk all the way to/from their car.
Metlife Stadium has 82000 seats, and you can't walk there.
So there has to be 82000 parking spaces.
Which need more than 2 square km alone, without taking into account the roads connecting them.
That is insane. Look at those parking lots. That’s actually mental. Next to one of the most expensive land cost cities in the world. With one of the highest PT ridership metros in the Americas.
Henceforth, a minimum of an individual personal transport pod must be used at all times when leaving the comfort spaces! No facilities are made for unprotected movement around the surrounding area.
LOL, so headed there. Since poor people will always cost less than technology, they will always have poorer people doing what tech. doing in this scene of ‘Walle’ (SP?), it was a awesome movie.
The only thing I think could ever cause this scene to perfectly copied in real-life, is if The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners hating poorer people living around them over-rides their love to have them being economic slaves for them.
I was thinking the other day... if we don't keep kids vaccinated, those could be new age med-bed iron lungs for Polio and fuck-knows whatever comes back / next.
Since this post is lifted, title and all, directly from /r/UrbanHell, I'll link the post here in case anyone wants to read the comments.
One of them links to a really good New York Times article from 2013 about this exact problem. You genuinely cannot comply with New Jersey traffic laws – reasonable ones that keep you safe – and walk to the stadium on foot.
Only in the USA, stadiums built without direct access to decent public transportation. FFS, the 1st World builds a subway or commuter station within stumbling, for the drunks, distance of the stadium.
Proper pedestrian infrastructure is part of public transport. You cannot have a bus if you cannot get to it and in this case it seems you cannot get to the transportation option by foot.
Canberra, Australia has ok bike to the airport. No bike parking at the airport, so if you're seeing someone off you're probably locking it to a sign or a fence. You're in with cars for the last kilometre though as the airport doesn't consider bikes, though the city does
Wellington airport in New Zealand has had intermittent public transport options for decades, and they charge outrageous surcharges for taxis leaving/arriving. NZ is even more car-brained than the US though.
I'll never forget when I first learned that. It was a 8 minute drive from the airport hotel to the airport. Or a 90 minute walk. But on a map, it looked like two blocks tops.
I went to school a block away from a major international airport. Unless you can hop a fence and run with bags on a runway while dodging security and airplanes, what you said is true. I've lived near the airport most of my life and I still have trouble escaping from it after picking up/dropping off someone.
Those woke liberals wanna take away my freedumb and put me in a fifteen minute city where I don’t need to maintain a $60,000 piece of equipment to procure the basic necessities of life like food.
I live three towns away from Giants Stadium and the Meadowlands. Aside from my view that the whole thing should be destroyed, the foundations should be ripped out, and the land should be returned to the swamp and protected...
Yeah, there's only about three hotels that have anything like a (very dangerous) walking route to the Meadowlands, and they're all small. The best ways to get there are either by bus (there's 2 routes that go there), or the new rail they put in. So I'm going to say the same thing I said when they held that stupid sportsball thing and wrecked half our roads: do not come here. Now, with constant or near-constant ICE activity around, if you're not local with a support network, I have to be more vehement: absolutely avoid this area.
Stay away. Do not come here for any reason at any time. If you must come because it's life-or-death, come in, do what's necessary, and leave immediately.
I wanted to go to the parking garage. It was a nice day out and it was right there. While there were a lot of lanes of traffic, they had cross walks, and pedestrian lights. The signs all said to go up two floors to the pedestrian bridge, but it looked so doable ….
Got all the way across and there was no way to enter the parking garage. Then a cop came by to yell at us
The Twelfth Doctor, Bill and an angry Nardole travel in the TARDIS to follow a distress call to a deep-space mining station. When the TARDIS is jettisoned by the station's computers, the trio are forced to wear "smartsuits", robotic spacesuits capable of independent operation tied to the station. The suits are also the only source of oxygen, as the mining company does not provide an oxygen atmosphere inside the station, and every activity is measured in breaths
Jeez, they still haven't fixed that shit? I saw a Chili Peppers concert there in like 2008, my date and I took NJ Transit or PATH out there from the city (I forget which) and ended up having to walk several miles along highways to get the the stadium. I wouldn't give the Meadowlands my money ever again until they did something about that. The trains aren't even that far away, they just haven't connected them!!
There's a train station there with a limited run from Secaucus Junction. And they're not going to "fix" it. They want their parking fees, because that and the concessions are how the venues make most of their money.
metlife is one of the worst stadiums, i went here for a soccer game last summer it was 98° and most seats have no shade whatsoever to the point where people would applaud the moving c clouds. they didn’t let us bring our own water into this stadium and if you wanted water you had to wait in a huge line and pay 5 bucks. this is where the world cup final is gonna be btw
absolutely, i wouldn’t go to any world cup games this time around, which is sad because as a kid i used to dream of a world cup final being so close by. ICE will be all over that shit, fuck them
And I'm suggesting not even bothering to fly to the city, much less book a night at the hotel. Do your research beforehand and don't go to events that are anti people.
Ok, I get that you can’t exactly walk there from that hotel but that’s not the whole story. They have pretty good public transport servicing MetLife.
I’ve been to a few sold out events at MetLife and I’ve taken the train every time and every time it was the right call. The train drops you off at the stadium and it’s one transfer in Secaucus to Penn station in NYC. Additionally there are lots of buses for folks to get in and out of the stadium.
It’s a hell of a lot better than my home stadium FedEX field outside Washington, DC. You can take the train to FedEx but it’s a 20-30 minute walk to a metro, I’ve seen folks get hit walking to the station. The only real option is to drive and pay 75$, sit in traffic and be miserable the entire time. I’d love to see a train station that you could safely walk to in DC. Hopefully the RFK redevelopment will be better.
Sure you can’t walk from a hotel but it’s not like they didn’t have public transportation options for MetLife.
That has got to be fake, even in The USA.
If it is real & I am still not sure, then-
It is illegal & cannot be enforced in The USA.
They just do not want to pay out what it would cost to make it safe to do so.
I would simply do it, if anyone arrested me, I would sue over that.
Whether I was arrested or not, I would sue of not maintaining a safe environment.
They built the stadium surrounded by highways and off ramps without any sidewalks and hardly any traffic signals. It is encapsulated by unwalkable roads.
It's not just that, there's literally NOWHERE to walk. Imagine 100k people exiting the place at once, on foot, surrounded by the spaghetti junction hellscape of the NJ Turnpike and nowhere to walk?
It's a disaster waiting to happen.
Honestly, just a shitty location in the first place.
I'm gonna be the odd one out here and say that route is hardly unwalkable, and with some minor changes could even be somewhat safe compared to the walk I make to work everyday. I went down the entire route road by road in street view, you'll be hugging the shoulder in spots, walking in grass and cutting across the road a few times, but you can manage it.
It could be made safe, but it isn't currently safe (especially considering the shoulders are probably still snowbanks). More importantly, it is illegal because it isn't safe and scraping up pedestrian smears off the highway is traumatic for the people thay have to do it. It was made illegal instead of being made safe.
I'll also point out that this circuitous route is estimated to take an hour while in a car it takes 3 minutes. If they put in a sidewalk, a traffic light, and a crosswalk, you could walk from that hotel to the stadium and beat anyone driving because they still have to park. But that's just that one hotel. I would bet money that if you made the area walkable, you would see more hotels and parking lots pop up.
So, the law as written quoted in the original post, atleast to me and I'm not a lawyer or anything, doesn't seem to imply that it would actually be illegal. Police might still charge you (because they're scumbags), but I'm willing to bet its something that a judge would throw out.
Maybe you're right, but I'd be more concerned with being hit by a car. The fact that it is "illegal" at a minimum means that cars won't expect pedestrians, and I'm less concerned about having the right of way than I am about discovering the coefficient of friction for asphalt first-hand.
39:4-34. Pedestrians to cross within crosswalk or at right angles; facing traffic; sidewalks Where traffic is not controlled and directed either by a police officer or a traffic control signal, pedestrians shall cross the roadway within a crosswalk or, in the absence of a crosswalk, and where not otherwise prohibited, at right angles to the roadway. It shall be unlawful for a pedestrian to cross any highway having roadways separated by a medial barrier, except where provision is made for pedestrian crossing. On all highways where there are no sidewalks or paths provided for pedestrian use, pedestrians shall, when practicable, walk only on the extreme left side of the roadway or its shoulder facing approaching traffic. Where sidewalks are provided it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
They probably have been sued over and it doesn't affect them enough to care. And I can assure you, this kind of shit is very real. In fact I've taken the train and walked the final few miles to this very venue before. Can confirm, a decent chunk of the walk was balancing on a 1-foot wide curb at the edge of a highway bridge.
Based on what I know, I doubt there's been any lawsuits. But you should have taken the 703, since it sounds like you last went there before they put in that train extension.
I'm having a hard time seeing how you would walk to it. It's surrounded by 4 lane, controlled access roads, a railroad track, and one of the most polluted swamps on earth.
No, it is not under The USA, like I already posted take as far as it needs to go.
Of course I should have thought of this first,
People in mass, that are working-attending a event in the stadium, should simply ignore the sign & law & do the walk. Then like I said before, get arrested if have to & mass filings for tons of trials, as far as it will go, to erase that part of the law. If in mass tons of people are doing this & are not arrested, then the law is unenforceable.
The problem isn't that you aren't allowed to. The problem is that they made literally zero accommodations for pedestrians to navigate the area.
A protest that walks the route that should exist anyway and shuts down the roads is a good idea. But it can still be illegal. People are arrested all the time for doing illegal shit while protesting. They don't use an "all or nothing" system from prosecution. They'll arrest and charge dozens of people in a protest with hundreds or thousands.
I'm telling you this as a local: that's not going to work. It's not about making the government uncomfortable. The government are ambivalent.
It's twofold: East Rutherford, in majority, are NIMBYs when it comes to this issue. The residents don't want people walking to the stadium through their town. And just as important, the owners and operators of the Meadowlands make a huge amount of their money off the parking. It's private property, and they don't want people coming in without paying.
That thinking of giving away the people power, because people like you give-up is the problem. SORRY, I SHOULD NOT MADE IT A PERSONAL BEFORE.
It absolutely works, there is no way in BLANK politicians & media can ignore all of that happening, heck using The Internet, it is questionable if traditional media is even needed. If people just put-up with it, not will never ever change, except the people.
It will not work in this area, it is a huge busy road with constant traffic. You will get run over. If you bring a big crowd, you will cause a traffic jam as intended, but at the cost of a bunch of pedestrian lives. Is it worth dying for that? If you don't want to drive, there are buses and trains that go there.
When the people make those in power uncomfortable, yes I do.
Look at what has very recently happened with no real political resistance ‘The Crazy Don’s & his administration’s ‘Mob Enforcers’?
My guess is, guests keep returning half drunk having rolled an ankle by slipping off a kerb or skinning their knee trying to vault over the divider in the middle of the highway.
Whenever there's an event at the stadium they wheel out this huge sign, so when idiots return with their various injuries they can just point to the sign.
Not defending this shit show though. The satellite images for this area are... very american.
Looking at maps, there are no sidewalks or walkways on any of the roads leading to or surrounding the stadium. Pedestrians aren't even an afterthought here.
I used to live near there and the cars were an afterthought too. It is sketchy AF driving there and it has a weird post-apocalyptic feel too.
Hundreds of square miles of tollway spaghetti. When I lived in NYC I was convinced that it's intentionally confusing, so that you exit and enter through the toll booths over and over.
Lmao i used to make looping tolls on Cities Skylines
art is inspired by real life
I want to get off Mr. Bones' Wild Turnpike.
By design...or bribe.
This level of spaghetti is usually a lack of design, don't attribute to malice that which can be attributed to incompetence.
If there's profit at the end of the shit rainbow...
If you want to say the overall conditions that led to this were profit motivated (ie high car owning, excessive land used for roads), then sure. But the specific decision not to add a bike lane or sidewalk likely wasn't directly motivated by automotive lobbying.
Buddy. This is New Jersey. It's 100% lobbying and bribes.
Not automobile lobby, but yes, the businesses in the area. Like others have posted parking costs,
Oh my sweet summer child
Idk why people are so naive these days when cynicism usually ends up being correct.
Yeah except those of us who actually have looked into know that it was malice. By the name of Dan Snyder.
Both
It’s NJ, it’s intentional. There are sidewalks in small towns, but almost no sidewalks outside of them. On most roads like 38 and 541, you literally have to walk on the grass next to the road. Public transportation is surprisingly decent for a US state, specifically going from South Jersey into Philly is really easy.
Source: I grew up there and walked everywhere. It was terrible.
There's 12 times more land dedicated to parking than to the actual stadium. I think this one is a popular meme on anti-car communities because of that.
Thought?
Why is the US such a failed nation?
Racism and capitalism, mostly.
Those things lead to poor education for the public, which makes all subsequent decisions stupider.
Then, the stupid people try to make as much short term money as possible for themselves.
Simultaneously, anything that benefits the minorities (eg: black folks) is disliked. Mass transit, for example.
There’s some religion mixed in there to strengthen the other two pillars but yeah
And some serious car brain
Because brianbury is legal in the US. You just have to call it a campaign donation and then you can do whatever you want.
I'm pretty sure we can say "bribery" here. This isn't Reddit.
Could've been aito correct. Wow it just happened while I was typing lol. I swear it's getting dumber all the time
oof. true
I think that's what it is: "AI-to correct"
not very correct tho
Profit.
If it isn’t profitable you can get fucked.
Think of the massive investment this country made in itself postwar. Schools, highways, libraries, research and development of technologies, electrification, parks, all the sciences from medical to astrophysics, wages, pensions, and yes, even sidewalks…the list goes on and on. Then the ‘70s and ‘80s hit us with massive tax changes that favored the wealthy and companies while cutting government spending.
Sidewalks are city funded and maintained. Not profitable. The US is car-centric for multiple reasons…mostly profit. And we’re anti-poor. Because only the poor wouldn’t have a car, and they’re not profitable.
Even pre-war. Every once in a while I notice some older infrastructure, discover it was WPA and am amazed how well it’s held up, but why don’t we do that anymore? Sure their approach was intentionally labor-intensive to get people back to work after the Great Depression and we don’t need to follow that part, but why doesn’t anyone seem to care about making the world a nicer place
They’d rather fund ICE and give cops MRAPs than build anything for the public good.
I live in a country that went from 1st world to second-ish world.
1st, 2nd, 3rd... its not a podium. It's an alignment chart from the cold war. 2nd world is the commie block.
Surely this means that the hotel or the stadium will be providing a free shuttle bus service, right?
Right...?
Buses are woke you get a choice between a complimentary pick up or muscle car but either choice only seats one.
Some lots around met life include a shuttle as part of the parking fee. It sucks, you pay over $100 for a parking spot 3 miles from the stadium and then have to watch a jets or Giants game.
Imagine paying $100 to drive a car there just to have to ride a bus anyway 💀
Why are you paying for a parking spot when you're getting a shuttle service?
The shuttle goes from the parking lot to the stadium. Met life stadium is in the middle of nowhere on the side of a highway. The lots are so big and widespread that there are busses so people don't have to walk all the way to/from their car.
This has got to be a joke. No?
Metlife Stadium has 82000 seats, and you can't walk there.
So there has to be 82000 parking spaces.
Which need more than 2 square km alone, without taking into account the roads connecting them.
No. It's literally a stadium in the middle of nowhere. https://www.metlifestadium.com/plan-your-visit/parking-tailgating/nfl-parking
That is insane. Look at those parking lots. That’s actually mental. Next to one of the most expensive land cost cities in the world. With one of the highest PT ridership metros in the Americas.
Free? No. But you can take the NJTransit 703, or take the train from Rutherford to Secaucus, and connect to the rail line from there.
Contribute to ‘Global Warming’ & Etc., because when people want to walk, you do not want them to.
Henceforth, a minimum of an individual personal transport pod must be used at all times when leaving the comfort spaces! No facilities are made for unprotected movement around the surrounding area.
LOL, so headed there. Since poor people will always cost less than technology, they will always have poorer people doing what tech. doing in this scene of ‘Walle’ (SP?), it was a awesome movie.
The only thing I think could ever cause this scene to perfectly copied in real-life, is if The Rich-Super Rich Economic Classes/Owners hating poorer people living around them over-rides their love to have them being economic slaves for them.
I was thinking the other day... if we don't keep kids vaccinated, those could be new age med-bed iron lungs for Polio and fuck-knows whatever comes back / next.
When walking is outlawed only outlaws will go on walks!
Since this post is lifted, title and all, directly from /r/UrbanHell, I'll link the post here in case anyone wants to read the comments.
One of them links to a really good New York Times article from 2013 about this exact problem. You genuinely cannot comply with New Jersey traffic laws – reasonable ones that keep you safe – and walk to the stadium on foot.
Only in the USA, stadiums built without direct access to decent public transportation. FFS, the 1st World builds a subway or commuter station within stumbling, for the drunks, distance of the stadium.
What makes you think it's not connected to public transportation?
They're simply saying you can't walk, please use another form of transportation.
edit: people in this thread are saying there is public transit to it.
Proper pedestrian infrastructure is part of public transport. You cannot have a bus if you cannot get to it and in this case it seems you cannot get to the transportation option by foot.
This says nothing about getting to transportation by foot. It's says to can't go from the hotel to the stadium on foot.
The Meadowlands is an enormous parking lot with a few novelty venues scattered through the center.
Nearly impossible to get into and out of, precisely because they didn't build pedestrian infrastructure.
This is Lemmy, we're here to jump to conclusions and hate on things.
Idk, sounds like Communism to me
Do you want more drunk drivers out there? Public transportation is not communism. Visit Japan and their large metropolitan areas will blow your mind.
Same for most airports that I saw, all only reachable via highways
I left an airport in Germany one time by bicycle.
Found that it dumped me onto an autobahn with no alternative.
It's not just US that designs terrible airports
Canberra, Australia has ok bike to the airport. No bike parking at the airport, so if you're seeing someone off you're probably locking it to a sign or a fence. You're in with cars for the last kilometre though as the airport doesn't consider bikes, though the city does
Wellington airport in New Zealand has had intermittent public transport options for decades, and they charge outrageous surcharges for taxis leaving/arriving. NZ is even more car-brained than the US though.
That's hard to imagine
I'll never forget when I first learned that. It was a 8 minute drive from the airport hotel to the airport. Or a 90 minute walk. But on a map, it looked like two blocks tops.
I went to school a block away from a major international airport. Unless you can hop a fence and run with bags on a runway while dodging security and airplanes, what you said is true. I've lived near the airport most of my life and I still have trouble escaping from it after picking up/dropping off someone.
Our local one put in a tunnel underneath the runway - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKvSYrs0EsY
Though it looks like it might be lost to the public due to expansion plans for the airport :(
LAND OF THE FREE!
Those woke liberals wanna take away my freedumb and put me in a fifteen minute city where I don’t need to maintain a $60,000 piece of equipment to procure the basic necessities of life like food.
That side was made for you and me
I live three towns away from Giants Stadium and the Meadowlands. Aside from my view that the whole thing should be destroyed, the foundations should be ripped out, and the land should be returned to the swamp and protected...
Yeah, there's only about three hotels that have anything like a (very dangerous) walking route to the Meadowlands, and they're all small. The best ways to get there are either by bus (there's 2 routes that go there), or the new rail they put in. So I'm going to say the same thing I said when they held that stupid sportsball thing and wrecked half our roads: do not come here. Now, with constant or near-constant ICE activity around, if you're not local with a support network, I have to be more vehement: absolutely avoid this area.
Stay away. Do not come here for any reason at any time. If you must come because it's life-or-death, come in, do what's necessary, and leave immediately.
You should probably avoid that area this summer.
I can't help it. I live here.
Had a somewhat similar scenario at an airport.
I wanted to go to the parking garage. It was a nice day out and it was right there. While there were a lot of lanes of traffic, they had cross walks, and pedestrian lights. The signs all said to go up two floors to the pedestrian bridge, but it looked so doable ….
Got all the way across and there was no way to enter the parking garage. Then a cop came by to yell at us
IT is really shitty that they built a stadium without proper transportation infrastructure.
Typical that a life insurance company doesn't want you to die, but still makes it your problem.
There are rumors that breathing will be canceled too.
No, no.
Breathing is going to be allowed, but you have to pay for each breath.
That's already done, it's called hospitalisation due to air pollution.
There's a Doctor Who episode with that as it's premise: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_(Doctor_Who)
Jeez, they still haven't fixed that shit? I saw a Chili Peppers concert there in like 2008, my date and I took NJ Transit or PATH out there from the city (I forget which) and ended up having to walk several miles along highways to get the the stadium. I wouldn't give the Meadowlands my money ever again until they did something about that. The trains aren't even that far away, they just haven't connected them!!
There's a train station there with a limited run from Secaucus Junction. And they're not going to "fix" it. They want their parking fees, because that and the concessions are how the venues make most of their money.
metlife is one of the worst stadiums, i went here for a soccer game last summer it was 98° and most seats have no shade whatsoever to the point where people would applaud the moving c clouds. they didn’t let us bring our own water into this stadium and if you wanted water you had to wait in a huge line and pay 5 bucks. this is where the world cup final is gonna be btw
Not to mention that it's hosted in a country that has had Trump multiple times. You bet that ICE will be everywhere on every corner...
absolutely, i wouldn’t go to any world cup games this time around, which is sad because as a kid i used to dream of a world cup final being so close by. ICE will be all over that shit, fuck them
You can't even travel without the need for identification and documentation get freedomed
Boycott this, and walk that route anyways.
Boycotting would be not going at all.
That's what Atlas_ is suggesting. Don't by a ticket, just hike the route for fun.
And I'm suggesting not even bothering to fly to the city, much less book a night at the hotel. Do your research beforehand and don't go to events that are anti people.
Looking at the map, yeah that's not safe. Surrounded by freeways.
That's NJ AF
Ok, I get that you can’t exactly walk there from that hotel but that’s not the whole story. They have pretty good public transport servicing MetLife.
I’ve been to a few sold out events at MetLife and I’ve taken the train every time and every time it was the right call. The train drops you off at the stadium and it’s one transfer in Secaucus to Penn station in NYC. Additionally there are lots of buses for folks to get in and out of the stadium.
It’s a hell of a lot better than my home stadium FedEX field outside Washington, DC. You can take the train to FedEx but it’s a 20-30 minute walk to a metro, I’ve seen folks get hit walking to the station. The only real option is to drive and pay 75$, sit in traffic and be miserable the entire time. I’d love to see a train station that you could safely walk to in DC. Hopefully the RFK redevelopment will be better.
Sure you can’t walk from a hotel but it’s not like they didn’t have public transportation options for MetLife.
You could kayak up the Hackensack River and get mercury poisoning! The Meadowlands are a really strange place.
Ok then, I'll run 👌
Agent of what? I know it might be fantasy, but I am still curious.
wow what a hell hole
This look like a a SCP wiki article
That has got to be fake, even in The USA. If it is real & I am still not sure, then-
It is illegal & cannot be enforced in The USA. They just do not want to pay out what it would cost to make it safe to do so.
I would simply do it, if anyone arrested me, I would sue over that.
Whether I was arrested or not, I would sue of not maintaining a safe environment.
They built the stadium surrounded by highways and off ramps without any sidewalks and hardly any traffic signals. It is encapsulated by unwalkable roads.
Here is what Google Maps suggests for walking.
and this is absolutely intentional, because parking fees are a huge piece of their pie.
Bingo, thanks for that,
It's not just that, there's literally NOWHERE to walk. Imagine 100k people exiting the place at once, on foot, surrounded by the spaghetti junction hellscape of the NJ Turnpike and nowhere to walk?
It's a disaster waiting to happen.
Honestly, just a shitty location in the first place.
I'm gonna be the odd one out here and say that route is hardly unwalkable, and with some minor changes could even be somewhat safe compared to the walk I make to work everyday. I went down the entire route road by road in street view, you'll be hugging the shoulder in spots, walking in grass and cutting across the road a few times, but you can manage it.
It could be made safe, but it isn't currently safe (especially considering the shoulders are probably still snowbanks). More importantly, it is illegal because it isn't safe and scraping up pedestrian smears off the highway is traumatic for the people thay have to do it. It was made illegal instead of being made safe.
I'll also point out that this circuitous route is estimated to take an hour while in a car it takes 3 minutes. If they put in a sidewalk, a traffic light, and a crosswalk, you could walk from that hotel to the stadium and beat anyone driving because they still have to park. But that's just that one hotel. I would bet money that if you made the area walkable, you would see more hotels and parking lots pop up.
So, the law as written quoted in the original post, atleast to me and I'm not a lawyer or anything, doesn't seem to imply that it would actually be illegal. Police might still charge you (because they're scumbags), but I'm willing to bet its something that a judge would throw out.
Maybe you're right, but I'd be more concerned with being hit by a car. The fact that it is "illegal" at a minimum means that cars won't expect pedestrians, and I'm less concerned about having the right of way than I am about discovering the coefficient of friction for asphalt first-hand.
Fair.
This is the cited statute:
Basically how it works everywhere, the statute here literally says you can walk on the extreme left side. Cops are wrong.
Then more than just suing, you take as far as necessary in courts over the law. The law is just not legal.
They probably have been sued over and it doesn't affect them enough to care. And I can assure you, this kind of shit is very real. In fact I've taken the train and walked the final few miles to this very venue before. Can confirm, a decent chunk of the walk was balancing on a 1-foot wide curb at the edge of a highway bridge.
Based on what I know, I doubt there's been any lawsuits. But you should have taken the 703, since it sounds like you last went there before they put in that train extension.
Probably is far from what has happened,
Since KoboldCoterie posted the law, I would do what is in my replying post to KoboldCoterie‘s post of the law.
IHere it is on maps
I'm having a hard time seeing how you would walk to it. It's surrounded by 4 lane, controlled access roads, a railroad track, and one of the most polluted swamps on earth.
It's 100% real, and it's 100% legal. It's New Jersey.
No, it is not under The USA, like I already posted take as far as it needs to go.
Of course I should have thought of this first,
People in mass, that are working-attending a event in the stadium, should simply ignore the sign & law & do the walk. Then like I said before, get arrested if have to & mass filings for tons of trials, as far as it will go, to erase that part of the law. If in mass tons of people are doing this & are not arrested, then the law is unenforceable.
The problem isn't that you aren't allowed to. The problem is that they made literally zero accommodations for pedestrians to navigate the area.
A protest that walks the route that should exist anyway and shuts down the roads is a good idea. But it can still be illegal. People are arrested all the time for doing illegal shit while protesting. They don't use an "all or nothing" system from prosecution. They'll arrest and charge dozens of people in a protest with hundreds or thousands.
That is how you pedestrian pathways. You are not gong to get it, by not making the politicians uncomfortable.
You are not reading my reply.
I'm telling you this as a local: that's not going to work. It's not about making the government uncomfortable. The government are ambivalent.
It's twofold: East Rutherford, in majority, are NIMBYs when it comes to this issue. The residents don't want people walking to the stadium through their town. And just as important, the owners and operators of the Meadowlands make a huge amount of their money off the parking. It's private property, and they don't want people coming in without paying.
That thinking of giving away the people power, because people like you give-up is the problem. SORRY, I SHOULD NOT MADE IT A PERSONAL BEFORE.
It absolutely works, there is no way in BLANK politicians & media can ignore all of that happening, heck using The Internet, it is questionable if traditional media is even needed. If people just put-up with it, not will never ever change, except the people.
It will not work in this area, it is a huge busy road with constant traffic. You will get run over. If you bring a big crowd, you will cause a traffic jam as intended, but at the cost of a bunch of pedestrian lives. Is it worth dying for that? If you don't want to drive, there are buses and trains that go there.
What did you mean by "under the USA"? You mean like federal law?
*Edit: typo
Yes
You seem to hold a lot of unjustified faith in federal law.
When the people make those in power uncomfortable, yes I do. Look at what has very recently happened with no real political resistance ‘The Crazy Don’s & his administration’s ‘Mob Enforcers’?
Sorry what do you want the hotel to do in order to make the suburb safe for walking ?
Not just the hotel, anyone who looked at the situation & decided it was good idea to build in that situation. Accountability
My guess is, guests keep returning half drunk having rolled an ankle by slipping off a kerb or skinning their knee trying to vault over the divider in the middle of the highway.
Whenever there's an event at the stadium they wheel out this huge sign, so when idiots return with their various injuries they can just point to the sign.
Not defending this shit show though. The satellite images for this area are... very american.