No debt but still have pile of unopened letters. It's a huge relief when I finally tackle them and realize it's mostly just junk mail. Only to find it was pile from last year and this year's pile was on the other side of the desk to be anxiously avoided until I have the willpower to do it again in a few months. Then I remember that's how I got badly in debt in the first place.
It gets easier. Then harder! Then I find sonething new to dive into and forget all about it again
No extraordinary debts (just the normal ones on auto-pay) but the other day I inadvertently unearthed a speeding ticket from a traffic camera in a foreign country I traveled to four years ago.
I have no idea if I paid it, but now every time I see it I get filled with the dread that I'm somehow an international fugitive, and yet I'd still rather die in a foreign prison cell than call the number on the ticket and ask if it's been paid.
If you haven't gotten any reminders, they don't really care, and it may have even reached statues of limitations. And unless it's a real corrupt country, they'll just have you pay it if they "catch" you. Just throw it away.
Try the following trick: mail is a mix of different kinds of junk. So unopened mail needs to be separated in order to sort it into the correct bin. Opening is not about reading and reading is only about checking if it can be binned directly. If you have similar tendencies as I do, this works wonders. You have you separate the envelopes that have plastic windows though, they belong to a different bin.
When I moved house, I put all the Very Urgent Mail into a separate pile and packed it into my backpack instead of a box.
So I could go through it and do what needs doing before all the boxes are unpacked in the new house.
The pile still sits on my desk untouched, it's been 6 months, and my cat now sits down on it whenever she wants to be left in peace. She knows I'm not gonna go near that.
I figure since no cops or court officers have shown up yet, it can't have been that urgent after all.
Easy peasy my friend. Divide and conquer. I open all the mail, sort out the garbage from the important stuff. I throw away all the chaff and bullshit, sort that into important stuff that needs attention, and important stuff that needs to be kept track of.
I then throw the important stuff that needs to be held onto but requires no action, into a box with the year (or at least a year within the last 3 years) written on the side. And then every 5 years or so I throw away the old boxes.
At that point, what's left is just a few pages per week that I then give to my spouse so they only have a couple of things to deal with.
They then take those couple of pages and put them on top of the ever looming pile of toxic things that we will never dare to touch again.
However, this pile is strategically placed so that it can't be missed, and acts as an anxiety point that drives us to do other tasks that would normally be avoided, but now seems like a nice diversion in the shadow of "the pile".
Or at least that's the way it used to work, but now we just avoid that room completely.
I have two right now, and they might as well be a pile, knowing my patterns. They will form a basis of a good big proper pile until I have a manic episode.
No need for scanning. I have a binder where I neatly organize them, and currently they are all shoved under the binder so that the cats won't play with them.
How about if you look at that pile of mail and say oh yeah I need to read all that shit and then say I'll do it tomorrow and then you see it again in a month and do they same shit
Oh dam... I just did mine this week, and it took hours because its about 4 months worth. I do think it's partially due to being depressed more since it's mostly bills and I just avoid them.
Important stuff isn't a plain white envelope.
Important stuff isn't sent just once, you get reminder letters.
So, I can sort the post another day because it looks like it hasn't changed since yesterweek
I have a mail pile, but its a system. Whoever checks the mailbox sorts the mail by person. My pile is a sort of filing system.
Once a week, I grab my side gig check, open and check the medical/ insurance mail for anything out of the norm (on the tail end of a workmans comp claim that generates a lot) the opened med and paycheck mail then go to the bottom of the stack, the junk mail gets tossed, and the stuff i dont need now, but might have to reffer to later (like bank statements) gets returned to the top unopened.
If I need to refer back to the med/ pays stubs, they're now separated out in chronological order. As are a year's worth of bank statements if anything seems off with my accounts.
Once a year, after I file my taxes, the bank statements get tossed, except the year end one, which goes into a filing drawer, on top of another pile, along with all that years' pay stubs, major medical notes (like paid off ones, etc) the filing drawer holds 2 piles, that work out pretty well to ~5 years of important docs) so, whenever the front pile fills up, the back pile goes into the fireplace for burning, (since its now all 5+years old) the front pile becomes the back pile, and a new pile begins, ensuring im keeping 5+ years of importance documents, in chronological order.
Would you like to guess how many recently graduated dctors also believed in the same childish rhetoric? A worrying amount. Like genuinely made me worried that low level propaganda gets through better than basic medical facts which doctors of all specialisations should understand.
It's line claiming heroin doesn't cause dependence. That Oxycontin doesn't cause addiction.
You know that pharmacompanies have strongly pushed both of this. Yet you won't question literally half the population having a neurodevelopmental disorder, because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAVING ONE MEANS.
The percentage of increased diagnosis through increased information is the same for every other neurodevelopmental disorder except attention disorders. Those have supposedly grown quadruple the amount that any other neurodevelopmental disorder has in the same time. (That is, in roughly the past 100 years to account for enough change.)
Anyone who's having a hard time understanding that attention disorders are overdiagnosed is a gullible moron. That includes all the doctors who argued I have it. Despite me showing I was alway literally the best in my class, without any disturbances, nor problems, not any I subjectively experienced or that the teacher would've noted. I also went through roughly 10 different schools, and has a large sampling of teachers and classes.
Never heard anything about any attention disorders before the age of 25, a bit more than a decade ago, when all this bullshit pushing began.
To not be able to see when someone is pushing drugs on you for no reason is gullibility to the max.
Its ludicrous.
Oh and yeah, the past few years young doctors haven't pushed the adhd rhetoric on me. Had to waste an entirely afternoon proving I don't have it with clinical psychologists and my mom there to verify what I'm saying.
But you know it's overdiagnosed, but as long as society accepts it as your meds and not something you just crave, youre gucci, right?
Wow, what an insightful argument that totally proves me wrong.
I'm not here to convince anyone. I'm just pointing out very simple facts. It's not your choice if you believe it or not. You'll still know it.
I'm not against adults using methylphenidate if they feel a benefit from it.
But don't try to have your cake and eat it too. You're taking the meds because you're addicted, not because you need them. If you actually have a disorder and need them, then thats different. But most of the people taking them don't.
Facts are facts no matter what you feel about them. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
If you’ve made one thing absolutely clear it’s that a reasonable argument won’t change your mind, I very much doubt anything would, you didn’t come to this opinion using logic nor being rational, neither of those are useful tools in this situation, you’re a no win scenario, there is no reason to try to communicate. I’ve got a sister like you, I’ve learned how it works. No, I just enjoy watching crazy people talk crazy and poking the bear when I have the option of tuning out and blocking them when I’m bored with it. It’s something meaningful you have to offer.
If you’ve made one thing absolutely clear it’s that a reasonable argument won’t change your mind
You haven't even tried unreasonable arguments, my man. So no, that high-roading doesn't work.
How about you try to address any of the arguments I've made.
Unless you're just a pathetic speedjunkie?
I know drugs and abuse and neurodivergence more than you, I'll bet my left testicle on it. So why is it that you don't believe in the documented deep corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, nor can you address why attention disorders have grown more than 350% more than ANY other neurodevelopmental disorder?
You love shotgunning out those assumptions, huh? Absolutely no doubt that you’re right about everything that spills out of your stupid fucking mouth, that kind of confidence is enviable, even if all you’re using for is a loudspeaker to let is all know how dumb and crazy you are.
Just for kicks, have you considered that there are people who deal with the realities of ADHD without any prescriptions or drugs or interest in drug treatment for the symptoms? Do you think that, maybe, ADHD exists outside of any sort of pharmaceutical influence or considerations? Or are you just saying there's absolutely no such thing as ADHD and nobody actually deals with it as part of their every day lives?
Oh and there's the first to signal disagreement without being able to say anything except "wyaaa I don't like you pointing out facts wyaaa"
Look up what a neurodevelopmental disorder is. Just because pharmaceutical grade speed makes you less tired doesn't mean you have a neurodevelopmental disorder.
The worst part isn't your delusions, it's having to listen to you trying to rationalise wanting to take speed.
And even actual professionals buy this shit it's ridiculous
Wow what an amazing argument. Makes so much sense, and isn't just you diamissing me because you know I'm saying a thing people disagree with and which you don't actually have to argue against.
I genuinely thought your rhetoric couldn't get worse. Next you'll argue how "I know a guy who has a totally opposite reaction to stimulants than everyone else". No they don't, you just don't understand the basics of neuroscience
Wow that's such a massively insightful article that I can't help but to gaze in awe.
RFK jr does whatever makes him the most money and what he happens to like, fuck science.
Exactly like you. You can't even manage an unreasonable argument, let alone a reasonable one.
Adhd is neurodevelopmental disorder. And seemingly it's increased more than 350% more than other neurodevelopmental disorders. And it's being pushed even on people who have literally no signs of it.
But hey, you can't let it go, so we should change science to accommodate your addiction! /s
A dopamine excess and a dopamine dearth can have similar effects on behaviour. Meds that increase dopamine will have an adverse reaction on one and a normalising reaction on the other.
Does it come with massive amounts of anxiety every time I look at it?
But only until you go to another room.
You can also just cover them with a pizza box.
Or any other DOOM ( Didn't Organize Only Move ) pile.
I have boxes for that.
Pretty sure that's not ADHD but anybody seriously in debt crisis.
No debt but still have pile of unopened letters. It's a huge relief when I finally tackle them and realize it's mostly just junk mail. Only to find it was pile from last year and this year's pile was on the other side of the desk to be anxiously avoided until I have the willpower to do it again in a few months. Then I remember that's how I got badly in debt in the first place.
It gets easier. Then harder! Then I find sonething new to dive into and forget all about it again
No extraordinary debts (just the normal ones on auto-pay) but the other day I inadvertently unearthed a speeding ticket from a traffic camera in a foreign country I traveled to four years ago.
I have no idea if I paid it, but now every time I see it I get filled with the dread that I'm somehow an international fugitive, and yet I'd still rather die in a foreign prison cell than call the number on the ticket and ask if it's been paid.
The trick with those is, if you never acknowledge you received it in any way you don't have to pay and never get in trouble.
...Probably, I only have one data point.
If you haven't gotten any reminders, they don't really care, and it may have even reached statues of limitations. And unless it's a real corrupt country, they'll just have you pay it if they "catch" you. Just throw it away.
Try the following trick: mail is a mix of different kinds of junk. So unopened mail needs to be separated in order to sort it into the correct bin. Opening is not about reading and reading is only about checking if it can be binned directly. If you have similar tendencies as I do, this works wonders. You have you separate the envelopes that have plastic windows though, they belong to a different bin.
What a surprisingly profound post.
That's how I feel about everything I learn through tough experiences and then try to incorporate and keep incorporated in my life.
Also people who are really lazy. "Eh I'll check them out later"
¿Por que no los dos?
When I moved house, I put all the Very Urgent Mail into a separate pile and packed it into my backpack instead of a box.
So I could go through it and do what needs doing before all the boxes are unpacked in the new house.
The pile still sits on my desk untouched, it's been 6 months, and my cat now sits down on it whenever she wants to be left in peace. She knows I'm not gonna go near that.
I figure since no cops or court officers have shown up yet, it can't have been that urgent after all.
I keep tuning maybe I don't have adhd and then I read posts like this.
Are there psychopaths out there that open their mail and read it?!
Those people also probably answer their phones when someone calls without texting first. The monsters.
Easy peasy my friend. Divide and conquer. I open all the mail, sort out the garbage from the important stuff. I throw away all the chaff and bullshit, sort that into important stuff that needs attention, and important stuff that needs to be kept track of.
I then throw the important stuff that needs to be held onto but requires no action, into a box with the year (or at least a year within the last 3 years) written on the side. And then every 5 years or so I throw away the old boxes.
At that point, what's left is just a few pages per week that I then give to my spouse so they only have a couple of things to deal with.
They then take those couple of pages and put them on top of the ever looming pile of toxic things that we will never dare to touch again.
However, this pile is strategically placed so that it can't be missed, and acts as an anxiety point that drives us to do other tasks that would normally be avoided, but now seems like a nice diversion in the shadow of "the pile".
Or at least that's the way it used to work, but now we just avoid that room completely.
No, nothing important comes through the mail anymore. But I've gone weeks without doing timesheets at work and it risked my employment.
Um... How many pieces form a pile?
I have two right now, and they might as well be a pile, knowing my patterns. They will form a basis of a good big proper pile until I have a manic episode.
I know mine's more than I can count at a glance.
Because counting them would require touching them
Once I scan them and file them digitally I will throw them away! Any day now...
No need for scanning. I have a binder where I neatly organize them, and currently they are all shoved under the binder so that the cats won't play with them.
I also have set up paperless for this!
I also have a very few things in paperless
NO, I DO NOT!
I have several 😑
Isn't that what a mailbox is for? Holding several pounds of junk mail and maybe 2 bills? 😶
More like
... do you have a pile that you see every day but never touch
or more like
... do you have a pile
True and all, but this is an autism community. Why are there so overwhelmingly many ADHD posts here? There are ADHD communities for content like this.
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
Welp, guess I’m cured… later losers!
Work: I try not to.
Home: Ask me next week.
I thought it was more an anxiety pile
Ha! Both physically and digitally :)
How about if you look at that pile of mail and say oh yeah I need to read all that shit and then say I'll do it tomorrow and then you see it again in a month and do they same shit
I don't like this post because I have three
I don't even look at it some of the days
No. I don't check my mail to avoid it
Oh dam... I just did mine this week, and it took hours because its about 4 months worth. I do think it's partially due to being depressed more since it's mostly bills and I just avoid them.
Confirmed ADHD.
At some point maybe, nowadays it's all just garbage so I feel like this is fairly common.
Bold of you to assume i open my mailbox, and i don't even have ADHD
I have a box. It’s my shame box.
It's mostly bills
Ummmmmmmmm I feel personally attacked right now
Important stuff isn't a plain white envelope.
Important stuff isn't sent just once, you get reminder letters.
So, I can sort the post another day because it looks like it hasn't changed since yesterweek
The test should be a single, rambling, five-page question and your score is the page number on which you give up.
The lower the page score, the higher the ADHD score?
But, what if it hooks the interest... ADHD can focus, if it inspires.
Could be false negatives.
I think the OP test's more reliable. At least from my experience.
I have a mail pile, but its a system. Whoever checks the mailbox sorts the mail by person. My pile is a sort of filing system.
Once a week, I grab my side gig check, open and check the medical/ insurance mail for anything out of the norm (on the tail end of a workmans comp claim that generates a lot) the opened med and paycheck mail then go to the bottom of the stack, the junk mail gets tossed, and the stuff i dont need now, but might have to reffer to later (like bank statements) gets returned to the top unopened.
If I need to refer back to the med/ pays stubs, they're now separated out in chronological order. As are a year's worth of bank statements if anything seems off with my accounts.
Once a year, after I file my taxes, the bank statements get tossed, except the year end one, which goes into a filing drawer, on top of another pile, along with all that years' pay stubs, major medical notes (like paid off ones, etc) the filing drawer holds 2 piles, that work out pretty well to ~5 years of important docs) so, whenever the front pile fills up, the back pile goes into the fireplace for burning, (since its now all 5+years old) the front pile becomes the back pile, and a new pile begins, ensuring im keeping 5+ years of importance documents, in chronological order.
I've seen my wife open the mailbox, look at what's in it, say "Ugh I don't want to deal with that," and PUT IT BACK IN THE MAILBOX
I am undiagnosed guy who relates to almost all the posts no this sub. This ain't one.
why am i being called out on piefed
...
"I don't have ADHD so everyone must be lying about it!"
Would you like to guess how many recently graduated dctors also believed in the same childish rhetoric? A worrying amount. Like genuinely made me worried that low level propaganda gets through better than basic medical facts which doctors of all specialisations should understand.
It's line claiming heroin doesn't cause dependence. That Oxycontin doesn't cause addiction.
You know that pharmacompanies have strongly pushed both of this. Yet you won't question literally half the population having a neurodevelopmental disorder, because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAVING ONE MEANS.
The percentage of increased diagnosis through increased information is the same for every other neurodevelopmental disorder except attention disorders. Those have supposedly grown quadruple the amount that any other neurodevelopmental disorder has in the same time. (That is, in roughly the past 100 years to account for enough change.)
Anyone who's having a hard time understanding that attention disorders are overdiagnosed is a gullible moron. That includes all the doctors who argued I have it. Despite me showing I was alway literally the best in my class, without any disturbances, nor problems, not any I subjectively experienced or that the teacher would've noted. I also went through roughly 10 different schools, and has a large sampling of teachers and classes.
Never heard anything about any attention disorders before the age of 25, a bit more than a decade ago, when all this bullshit pushing began.
To not be able to see when someone is pushing drugs on you for no reason is gullibility to the max.
Its ludicrous.
Oh and yeah, the past few years young doctors haven't pushed the adhd rhetoric on me. Had to waste an entirely afternoon proving I don't have it with clinical psychologists and my mom there to verify what I'm saying.
But you know it's overdiagnosed, but as long as society accepts it as your meds and not something you just crave, youre gucci, right?
Roflmao
This is good stuff, keep going, I love it. Tell us more.
Wow, what an insightful argument that totally proves me wrong.
I'm not here to convince anyone. I'm just pointing out very simple facts. It's not your choice if you believe it or not. You'll still know it.
I'm not against adults using methylphenidate if they feel a benefit from it.
But don't try to have your cake and eat it too. You're taking the meds because you're addicted, not because you need them. If you actually have a disorder and need them, then thats different. But most of the people taking them don't.
Facts are facts no matter what you feel about them. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
If you’ve made one thing absolutely clear it’s that a reasonable argument won’t change your mind, I very much doubt anything would, you didn’t come to this opinion using logic nor being rational, neither of those are useful tools in this situation, you’re a no win scenario, there is no reason to try to communicate. I’ve got a sister like you, I’ve learned how it works. No, I just enjoy watching crazy people talk crazy and poking the bear when I have the option of tuning out and blocking them when I’m bored with it. It’s something meaningful you have to offer.
You haven't even tried unreasonable arguments, my man. So no, that high-roading doesn't work.
How about you try to address any of the arguments I've made.
Unless you're just a pathetic speedjunkie?
I know drugs and abuse and neurodivergence more than you, I'll bet my left testicle on it. So why is it that you don't believe in the documented deep corruption of the pharmaceutical industry, nor can you address why attention disorders have grown more than 350% more than ANY other neurodevelopmental disorder?
Face it. You're just a junkie.
You love shotgunning out those assumptions, huh? Absolutely no doubt that you’re right about everything that spills out of your stupid fucking mouth, that kind of confidence is enviable, even if all you’re using for is a loudspeaker to let is all know how dumb and crazy you are.
Just for kicks, have you considered that there are people who deal with the realities of ADHD without any prescriptions or drugs or interest in drug treatment for the symptoms? Do you think that, maybe, ADHD exists outside of any sort of pharmaceutical influence or considerations? Or are you just saying there's absolutely no such thing as ADHD and nobody actually deals with it as part of their every day lives?
The irony of saying "Facts are facts" when yours come straight out of your ass and are based entirely on how you feel.
Fact: You have nothing to back up what you're spouting.
The increase in attention disorders is more than 350% more than any other neurodevelopmental disorder.
You're literally pretending like corruption doesn't exist. Childish beyond reason.
What a cool percentage that you, again, pulled straight out of your fucking ass.
Uninformed take
Oh and there's the first to signal disagreement without being able to say anything except "wyaaa I don't like you pointing out facts wyaaa"
Look up what a neurodevelopmental disorder is. Just because pharmaceutical grade speed makes you less tired doesn't mean you have a neurodevelopmental disorder.
The worst part isn't your delusions, it's having to listen to you trying to rationalise wanting to take speed.
And even actual professionals buy this shit it's ridiculous
Okay troll
Wow what an amazing argument. Makes so much sense, and isn't just you diamissing me because you know I'm saying a thing people disagree with and which you don't actually have to argue against.
Because you can't. ;>>>>>
I don't think ADHD meds are prescribed for increasing energy. In fact, they can reduce hyperactivity and impulsive behaviour.
"stimulants aren't actually stimulants, they're actually relaxants"
I genuinely thought your rhetoric couldn't get worse. Next you'll argue how "I know a guy who has a totally opposite reaction to stimulants than everyone else". No they don't, you just don't understand the basics of neuroscience
How's it going Bobby? I guess the worms must get all feisty when the weather gets cold?
Wow that's such a massively insightful article that I can't help but to gaze in awe.
RFK jr does whatever makes him the most money and what he happens to like, fuck science.
Exactly like you. You can't even manage an unreasonable argument, let alone a reasonable one.
Adhd is neurodevelopmental disorder. And seemingly it's increased more than 350% more than other neurodevelopmental disorders. And it's being pushed even on people who have literally no signs of it.
But hey, you can't let it go, so we should change science to accommodate your addiction! /s
A dopamine excess and a dopamine dearth can have similar effects on behaviour. Meds that increase dopamine will have an adverse reaction on one and a normalising reaction on the other.
And having a disorder in your dopamine system does not equate to having a neuroDEVELOPMENTAL disorder.
Just like I've said, if you like doing methylphenidate and it helps you, go ahead, I'm not gonna judge. But give it a rest with the pathetic excuses.
If your dopamine systems didn't develop properly when you were growing up, that would link the two
Oh yeah, you have a neurodevelopmental disorder that only manifests itself 20 years later, way after any sort of development has stopped happening.
Would you like to see my invisible unicorn? It's right there by your side. Do you like the colour it is?