There is also the dish "tartare", which I would be really surprised if they didn't share some entomology with the region/people and the claims involved.
Iirc, it’s named after the concept of mongols putting a piece of tough meat under their saddles and riding on it all day to tenderize it. That’s actually where the name for tartar sauce comes from, because it was an accompaniment to the dish.
To be fair in MOST things baking substituting some banana, pumpkin, applesauce, etc. for egg will work fine (and impart some flavor so, pick which one works for what you're doing) but in an uhh egg custard.... well... That is a bit different. (Really I would probably just use like potato starch to get something that would set correctly, but you would need to adjust flavor if you wanted to get it close since that won't give egg flavor.)
In recipes that have egg as the star ingredient I add just a teeny pinch of kala namak, it adds a bit of the background sulfur flavor. I'm allergic to egg whites, but honestly I'm not sure I'd even bother with an egg custard. There are plenty of alternative desserts that dont need to be a vegan dish that's 80% starch lol
Almost all food crops are GMO through the practice of selective breeding. Bananas have been altered to be sterile, seedless, and have larger edible fruit.
It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what genetic engineering means.
Selective breeding is selecting two banana plants that have characteristics you want, moving pollen (or however it is that bananas reproduce) from one plant to another, and growing, and selecting the "best" plants from the offspring, to get the banana plants with the characteristics that you want.
Genetic modification is snipping part of the genetic material from an eggplant and inserting them into a banana seed(?)'s genes.
Selective breeding to get plants with different characteristics inherently involves modifying the genes of the plant. Genes that lead to unwanted traits are bred out, and genes that lead to desirable traits are promoted.
A plant that undergoes this process has been genetically modified from its wild, undomesticated counterpart. It is a GMO (in its broadest definition).
Bananas are actually a really interesting plant and I recommend reading about the work being done even today to breed new disease resistant varieties, mostly involving mutation breeding (selective breeding with radiation to speed things along).
Selective breeding isnt GMO tho. Gmo is modifying genetics directly. Selective breeding is manipulativing the natural processes and hoping the offspring carried the desired genes. Its like saying placing bets on a roulette table is investing.
Investing isnt gambling because if you had all the knowledge of the world, you could guarantee to "win" every single time. Its practically just predicting the future. While gambling, is pretty much a random event, some games may allow for some prediction (such as card counting), but casinos ussually thwart that by constantly introducing more randomness.
Thats the same analogous for selective breeding. You have some idea what could happen, because at the very least you know the offspring will a random selection of genes from their parents, but you can never predict which genes. But in genetic engineering, you know exactly what genes you're targeting, and how and where those genes will be expressed.
Except perfect knowledge of the world isn't possible and there is sufficient complexity in the systems that lead to stock value changing to make it effectively random luck whether any particular investment will pay off (you've invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).
Selective breeding doesn't care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don't give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted. The fact that you aren't targeting specific genes doesn't matter.
you've invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).
Except youre also a big executive at your company and you tell all your peasants workers to go back to the office. And you collaborate with your rich friends to do the same and rake in all the cash.
But that doesnt change anything. Any amount of knowledge gives your a advantage because it reduces risk. A roulette table has the same amount of risk everytime because the previous spins has zero effect of the future.
Selective breeding doesn't care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don't give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted.
Right... but it took humans ~5000 years to breed corn. Perhaps millions if not billions of iterations. And it was all random chance that the offsprings resulted with desirablity traits. There is a reason farmers dont grow apple trees by seed anymore. Noone can guarantee the offspring will produce quality apples, and it takes a decade to produce apples.
Perfect knowledge still doesn't fix insolvency, fraud, or outright irrational actors. Tell me you haven't ever touched the stock market without telling me you have never touched the stock market.
The definition of a genetically modified organism (GMO) is not clear and varies widely between countries, international bodies, and other communities. At its broadest, the definition of a GMO can include anything that has had its genes altered, including by nature. Taking a less broad view, it can encompass every organism that has had its genes altered by humans, which would include all crops and livestock
Going by the second sense of the definition in the excerpt you shared, every human-domesticated plant or animal is GMO. And that is not exclusive to bananas.
Which again begs the question why the Original Commenter (OC) would make this distinction in the first place.
Yes, but can us Pro-GMO get Gros Michels back into production? I'll let Monsanto inject me with 5G Tylenol vaccines for the rebirth of those yellow fatties.
My ex's Mom is a vegetarian (who also doesn't believe in using GMOs or a microwave) and her Dad has celiac and legitimately can't do gluten.
I hate trying to cook for them, and I REALLY hate it when they cook for me. Her Dad made these "dessert" balls that are made from flax seed and sadness the first time we met and I pretended to like them to be polite. Now he always makes me a bunch of them and I have to choke them down with a smile. I'll bee seeing them Friday and know I get to look forward to chomping on birdseed.
Then you have people from the opposite end of the spectrum. One time I received "protein cookies" from a friend and it was just baked chocolate whey protein powder 🤣. You'd expect something like that to work okay-ish, but it was a very, very sad cookie with way too much sweetener.
I don't know how to cook for shit (I once set pasta on fire) but I feel like even my dumbass could figure out how to make that work. Motherfucker needs to refine their recipe.
I managed to boil the water down a tad bit too much cause they weren't softening, some of them were stuck to the side of the pot and caught fire. From there it was a simple matter of energy burnoff.
My wife was gluten free for awhile for health reasons on doctors orders. She would try to make the most outrageous gluten free versions of food because she missed them, but they were always terrible. I kept telling her, instead of making a bad version of a good food, make healthy food taste good.
Could be stupid, could be someone who was told "honestly vegan recipes are often bad just look up a recipe and swap the egg for banana/pumpkin/applesauce and it'll be fine." which... usually yes, as egg is there as binder and not there as like.. the whole point of the dish.
I've looked online many a time for vegan alternatives to recipes. Some are good. Some are shit.
I've learned that if you still want to make good food as a vegan, sometimes that involves learning substitution "tricks" that can be used to turn a non-vegan dish into a vegan one.
For eggs, I've mostly heard that you can replace those with soaked chia or flax seeds. You use the pectin that dissolves out of the seeds as the binder.
I have also seen people only claim that apply sauce or bananas are good vegan substitutes for egg. I haven't really tried that out before in it's own, but I imagine that the combo of ( soaked chia/flax seed + banana/apple sauce ) is what emulates eggs the most. You get the binding power from the seeds, with the wet nature from the banana or apply sauce.
FYI, vegans look for ways to "veganize" dishes all the time, especially at restaurants. Seldom do I want to take my friends or family to vegan-only restaurants because they tend to have "fat vegan" food. I'm better off enjoying a meal with them at a vegetarian/omnivore restaurant, which may or may not have vegan options. You have to learn to make substitutes on the fly to maintain your practice.
Oh sure, I totally get that. I’ve used flax seed and applesauce in baking recipes before because I didn’t have an egg or whatever. But in this case I’m a little baffled because I liken it to a a vegetarian trying to find substitutes for a steak. (Which, yeah, I suppose scientists are trying to do just that.) When you’re substituting an ingredient that is performing a function, like a binder, that makes a bit more sense to me. But when it’s a key flavor ingredient in a dish, I don’t really get why one would bother, or at least they shouldn’t be surprised if a substitution didn’t work and it shouldn’t reflect badly on the original recipe. All that being said, I also respect vegetarians and vegans for doing something that I’m not willing to do myself!
In defense of the MSG thing - afaik you can't actually be allergic to it (outside of some super rare conditions, like the ones where youre allergic to things like icewater) but it is a relatively common migraine trigger. Downing it with booze, which for many people helps with migraines (the vasodilator/vasoconstrictor effects sorta cancel eachother out) means it has a minimal effect.
This isn't everyone, obviously migraines are uncommon and ones triggered by MSG are an extension in rarity, but it is explicable behavior in a very real subset of the population.
It makes sense to not have to acknowledge that something isn't something else when it doesn't even matter, because nobody claimed it to be that thing in the first place.
I followed your advice and made a banana pie. But as I didn't have any bananas at hand I replaced them with eggs. The pie had an eggy consistency and didn't taste anything like banana.
Someone should tell her that bananas are a GMO. So is rice, corn, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts, kale, and mustard. They all exist because humans modified them, if humans didn't exist then neither would those plants.
Ironically the one thing that isn't a GMO is the damn egg.
Chickens have been gene modified by 1000's of years of selective breeding. Those eggs, by extension, are therefore gene modified also. Otherwise you wouldn't get more chickens like you want them.
I believe they're referring to the even more specific definition of GMO where genes are manipulated directly rather than indirectly through breeding and domestication.
But you are correct in a general sense. I believe the Wikipedia article for GMO also makes an even more generalized definition where any plant/animal whose genes are modified, by humans or nature, are GMO.
It's the same arguement against cloned meat. People get upset by the method because they don't understand that the DNA literally doesn't care.
If you modify you through breeding or through direct genetic manipulation or even through radiation exposure, Which is how they got red grapefruit by the way, the end result is still DNA. It's not weird mutant dangerous DNA, it's just normal DNA which is different to the original. There's no way it can hurt anyone.
I used to try and gauge how good a recipe I found online is by reading through the comments that people leave below. However, about 10 years ago or so, I had to stop because it seemed like nearly every single one had multiple comments like this, though not quite as extreme. I think some people are like me, they must enjoy pretending to be faceboomers and leaving ridiculous comments on random sites. I still remember one that I read a while ago that gave me a giant chuckle. But most of them just give me heart burn. Then again so does eggs.
I love recipe comments like these. It is really just insight into how absolutely ludicrous and entitled people are. Why can't your recipe simply bend reality to my will, and modify itself into what I desire to give me the outcome of my dreams.
"Instead of chicken I used an unborn cow's fetus and it tasted a bit funny, 1/5 stars"
I feel like about ten years ago the Internet was invaded by non Internet people. As in there was a large influx of idiots who were previously unable to be online because it required an actual PC, stable internet connection and some know how. Then dipshits with iPhones started posting their dumbass stream of thought messages with voice to text.
I die a little each time I read something and some halfwit used "ewe" instead of "you."
I tried a recipe for a cake but I substituted the dry ingredients for buns because they're already baked, I replaced the chocolate with burger, and I replaced the frosting with sauce. Can anyone explain to me why my cake tastes like a hamburger now?
true for smaller sample sizes, but for large normally-distributed sets, such as "all people," the mean and median will be pretty much identical. when you take a larger sample, it's more likely that an outlier on one end will be balanced out by a similar outlier on the other end. e.g. when you measure the height of 50 people, you might happen to end up with one person who's 6'8" and have to account for that, but when you measure the height of 50,000 people, you're more likely to also have someone who's 4'4"
I love it when people who represent a company (or in this case, a website) are smartasses to customers. I work with the public, and many times I’ve wanted to tell someone off but I don’t want to get in shit with upper management. My direct manager would support me but the higher ups definitely wouldn’t. Today actually I said to a coworker that I wanted to tell off a lady I was just dealing with but couldn’t. The lady was pretending she knew everything (that’s not how you do things, you’re wrong it’s this way, etc) and I very nearly said “I didn’t realize you work here” or something less pleasant but decided against it last second.
I learned a long time ago that there are customers you cannot afford to have. They cost more than they are worth to keep. And on occasions, I have told them off to make them go away.
The majority of customers do need courtesy and understanding. But there are those few that don't.
The usual vegan recipe complaint: "I wanted to follow your recipe for grandma's meatloaf, but substituted anything offending with the first thing I found on google. Your meatloaf neither looks nor tastes like my Grandma's!"
Yes, and even then, I have met some amazingly smart and successful people whose lifestyle-become-creed has led them into some amazingly stupid situations. Including a few vegans.
We are all stupid at some point in our lives at some things.
What's the term? Nobel syndrome, where someone who may very well be an outright genius in their specialty is stupid in anything else. I may be stupid but at least I don't let my ego blind me just cause I'm vaguely competent at a scattering of things.
In the same way that not everyone is a competent cook, not all vegans are competent cooks. I don't find it too surprising that someone might naively think "banana in this custard would be nice" without grasping that the egg is structurally important for the dish rather than for flavor or protein.
Mashed banana is a good substitute for egg in lots of baking recipe, like cakes and such, but for custard it wouldn't work at all, cornflour is probably what they want to use, or something along those lines. A thickening agent.
It depends on the recipe. Replacing egg with banana in muffins, where you mainly need it for the moisture? Works fine.
Replacing egg with banana in a custard, where you need it as a binding agent and stiffener? Won't work.
Replacing egg white with banana in a meringue? What are you even doing?
Replacing egg white with banana in a meringue? What are you even doing?
Having read more than one discussion column on recipe sites, I would not put it past some people. They would first complain that there are no instructions on how to separate a banana, then that whisking it does not produce something resembling a beaten egg white, and finally that baking it produces something not even close to meringue. Ah, yes, and because they added the amount of sugar given in the recipe, they'll finally complain about the result being overly sweet.
Weirdly enough a mashed banana can be an egg substitute for the right recipe.
My Wife has celiac, so no gluten for her. So when looking for gluten free recipes, we often come across full on vegan recipes with substitutes. A mashed banana for eggs is one of them.
It might work where the egg is not meant to set, where it's basically a binder. But if it is meant to set or firm up then best to use something else. As an aside, my two kids are celiac and there is some really weird substitutes for wheat flour in some products. Anyone who thinks gluten free is somehow healthier should read the ingredients labels.
Yes, it's likely possible to find some vegan equivalent that matches a custard. Might take some trial and error, but someone will do (or likely has done) it.
It's unfortunate to see omnis in chat gatekeep this food. Like, sure it won't be 100% the same, but it's more inclusive to have vegan alternatives than to not have them. We can all better relate that way, and uk avoid tribe mentality
Pectic is the vegan gelatin you're referring to. Usually vegans can find that in packets like gelatin from the store, although another source is from chia or flax seeds.
You soak the seeds in water for probably 1-2 hours, and the liquid as a result contains the pectin from the seeds.
Pectin like this and bananas (or often apple sauce) likely emulate eggs the best. You get the binding power from the seeds, and the wetness from the bananas/apple sauce
Banana or applesauce can be an OK replacement for eggs. The latter works great as a binder in meatballs. The former ruins the meatballs, unless "banana meatballs" sounds delicious to you.
Crush/grind the plantain? Mix with ground pork, salt, pepper, cumin, garlic, pan fry and serve with a glaze? I think that might just work and I kind want to get it
Veganism is ethical. Vegans can be stupid the same way carnivores can be. This reductive belief system may work in a world without critical thinking but I find your comment just as stupid as the one in this post.
All ethics-based movements benefit when their constituents adopt all sorts of different roles to achieve the movements' aims.
Look at MLK Jr., Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers. Different sides of the Civil Rights Movement, but all equally valid as they each apply pressure in different ways to bring about change.
Militant vegans are needed just as much as peaceful ones.
I feel like you should at least have the ingredients that are in the name of the dish.
Crab Rangoon begs to differ, but that is an extreme example
Tartar sauce enters the room.
I forgot about cream of tartar and thought you were a cannibal for a second.
There is also the dish "tartare", which I would be really surprised if they didn't share some entomology with the region/people and the claims involved.
Iirc, it’s named after the concept of mongols putting a piece of tough meat under their saddles and riding on it all day to tenderize it. That’s actually where the name for tartar sauce comes from, because it was an accompaniment to the dish.
I thought they was a lamb if they from Tartary
Egg cream, too.
Lobster sauce sends its regards.
Pumpkin spice says hello
Monkey gland sauce has entered the chat.
Monkey bread, too
Welsh rarebit has entered the chat.
It blows my mind that there is no raccoon in this dish...
Theseus' recipe. How many ingredients can you replace before it's a different dish?
In this case one
How can you call out a sail boat when it's got no sails?!
🤷 It's for everything else. Why isn't it sailing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Oak_Tree
To be fair in MOST things baking substituting some banana, pumpkin, applesauce, etc. for egg will work fine (and impart some flavor so, pick which one works for what you're doing) but in an uhh egg custard.... well... That is a bit different. (Really I would probably just use like potato starch to get something that would set correctly, but you would need to adjust flavor if you wanted to get it close since that won't give egg flavor.)
In recipes that have egg as the star ingredient I add just a teeny pinch of kala namak, it adds a bit of the background sulfur flavor. I'm allergic to egg whites, but honestly I'm not sure I'd even bother with an egg custard. There are plenty of alternative desserts that dont need to be a vegan dish that's 80% starch lol
Proceeds to use banana...
I agree that most anti-GMO stances are silly, but Cavendish bananas aren't GMO. (The history of major banana cultivars is super interesting, though!)
Almost all food crops are GMO through the practice of selective breeding. Bananas have been altered to be sterile, seedless, and have larger edible fruit.
Oh, totally agreed. It's just not in the way the person in the post cares about.
It sounds like you have absolutely no idea what genetic engineering means.
Selective breeding is selecting two banana plants that have characteristics you want, moving pollen (or however it is that bananas reproduce) from one plant to another, and growing, and selecting the "best" plants from the offspring, to get the banana plants with the characteristics that you want.
Genetic modification is snipping part of the genetic material from an eggplant and inserting them into a banana seed(?)'s genes.
Yes?
Selective breeding to get plants with different characteristics inherently involves modifying the genes of the plant. Genes that lead to unwanted traits are bred out, and genes that lead to desirable traits are promoted.
A plant that undergoes this process has been genetically modified from its wild, undomesticated counterpart. It is a GMO (in its broadest definition).
Bananas are actually a really interesting plant and I recommend reading about the work being done even today to breed new disease resistant varieties, mostly involving mutation breeding (selective breeding with radiation to speed things along).
Selective breeding isnt GMO tho. Gmo is modifying genetics directly. Selective breeding is manipulativing the natural processes and hoping the offspring carried the desired genes. Its like saying placing bets on a roulette table is investing.
I mean, the line between gambling and investing is a lot thinner than most people would like to believe.
Actually I'd say that investing is gambling, and selective breeding is a form of genetic engineering.
Investing isnt gambling because if you had all the knowledge of the world, you could guarantee to "win" every single time. Its practically just predicting the future. While gambling, is pretty much a random event, some games may allow for some prediction (such as card counting), but casinos ussually thwart that by constantly introducing more randomness.
Thats the same analogous for selective breeding. You have some idea what could happen, because at the very least you know the offspring will a random selection of genes from their parents, but you can never predict which genes. But in genetic engineering, you know exactly what genes you're targeting, and how and where those genes will be expressed.
Except perfect knowledge of the world isn't possible and there is sufficient complexity in the systems that lead to stock value changing to make it effectively random luck whether any particular investment will pay off (you've invested heavily into office real estate; welcome to the global pandemic and the rise of remote work).
Selective breeding doesn't care which genes are in play, it is outcome orientated. The result is the same, genes that don't give the desired result are filtered out, genes leading to the desired result are promoted. The fact that you aren't targeting specific genes doesn't matter.
Except youre also a big executive at your company and you tell all your peasants workers to go back to the office. And you collaborate with your rich friends to do the same and rake in all the cash.
But that doesnt change anything. Any amount of knowledge gives your a advantage because it reduces risk. A roulette table has the same amount of risk everytime because the previous spins has zero effect of the future.
Right... but it took humans ~5000 years to breed corn. Perhaps millions if not billions of iterations. And it was all random chance that the offsprings resulted with desirablity traits. There is a reason farmers dont grow apple trees by seed anymore. Noone can guarantee the offspring will produce quality apples, and it takes a decade to produce apples.
Perfect knowledge still doesn't fix insolvency, fraud, or outright irrational actors. Tell me you haven't ever touched the stock market without telling me you have never touched the stock market.
I mean it would... but good job at missing the point
It absolutely is.
Going by the second sense of the definition in the excerpt you shared, every human-domesticated plant or animal is GMO. And that is not exclusive to bananas.
Which again begs the question why the Original Commenter (OC) would make this distinction in the first place.
Yes, but can us Pro-GMO get Gros Michels back into production? I'll let Monsanto inject me with 5G Tylenol vaccines for the rebirth of those yellow fatties.
Why go back? I'm sure we can make an even more delicious banana. Actually I'm pretty sure we have, like the gold finger banana
https://fhia.org.hn/wp-content/uploads/2025/01/fhia01.pdf
For those interested in the taste and such. The Wikipedia didn't really describe it but linked to this.
Aaand the "brand-new sentence" award of the day goes to...
They are. We took something barely edible in nature and bred it to the point where it's a tasty treat. It's a perfect example of GMO.
This has to be bait, "no gmo gluten free vegans"?!
C'moooooon
My ex's Mom is a vegetarian (who also doesn't believe in using GMOs or a microwave) and her Dad has celiac and legitimately can't do gluten.
I hate trying to cook for them, and I REALLY hate it when they cook for me. Her Dad made these "dessert" balls that are made from flax seed and sadness the first time we met and I pretended to like them to be polite. Now he always makes me a bunch of them and I have to choke them down with a smile. I'll bee seeing them Friday and know I get to look forward to chomping on birdseed.
Why do you keep that lie up?
Because he's a very sweet man and really enjoys sharing them with me. I'm not gonna take that away from him.
Flaxseed and sadness is a step up from cyanide and happiness
Is it though?
i use a lot of flaxseed and have experienced the "ah shit too much flax" very often
flaxseed-based dessert should be an internationally recognized war crime
If they're your ex's parents, I'd have thought you'd be rid of them and their terrible cooking.
We're still best friends. Just no longer romantically attached.
We're Ace, so it's less of a transition than for most couples.
Then you have people from the opposite end of the spectrum. One time I received "protein cookies" from a friend and it was just baked chocolate whey protein powder 🤣. You'd expect something like that to work okay-ish, but it was a very, very sad cookie with way too much sweetener.
I don't know how to cook for shit (I once set pasta on fire) but I feel like even my dumbass could figure out how to make that work. Motherfucker needs to refine their recipe.
🤣. Htf does pasta even catch fire? There's usually moisture at all times.
Well I will say that the cookies were safe to eat at least. I think they are in the process of making it work atm.
I managed to boil the water down a tad bit too much cause they weren't softening, some of them were stuck to the side of the pot and caught fire. From there it was a simple matter of energy burnoff.
Please tell me that you were drunk out of your mind, lol.
In our old office we had a stove in the break room. A coworker managed to forget she was boiling eggs and smoke out the building 3 times in 4 months.
We finally bought her a gimmicky egg cooker that would turn itself off.
Close I was running on 4 hours of sleep and had been awake for about 2 days.
"protein cookies" but it's just an egg fried in a cookie cutter
Also the reply says the recipe is for an egg custard tart. Why would a vegan even be looking at a recipe like that?
My wife was gluten free for awhile for health reasons on doctors orders. She would try to make the most outrageous gluten free versions of food because she missed them, but they were always terrible. I kept telling her, instead of making a bad version of a good food, make healthy food taste good.
Yep. For instance, making a vegan version of a non vegan food can turn out disappointing. But a food that is just vegan to start with? Delicious.
Yup. Lots of delicious foods just so happen to be vegan
Tomato sauce on pasta - delicious!
Vegan imitation version of beef - bleh.
The benefit of the doubt would be that they liked custard tarts before going vegan and wanted to try and make a vegan version?
Then wouldn't you search for "vegan egg tart"?
Could be stupid, could be someone who was told "honestly vegan recipes are often bad just look up a recipe and swap the egg for banana/pumpkin/applesauce and it'll be fine." which... usually yes, as egg is there as binder and not there as like.. the whole point of the dish.
Yeah, I suppose it could work when there's just a little bit of egg and you just need binding and moisture, so something like pancakes or muffins.
Whoa!
True. You are more charitable than I am.
I'm a vegan of 4.5+ years.
I've looked online many a time for vegan alternatives to recipes. Some are good. Some are shit.
I've learned that if you still want to make good food as a vegan, sometimes that involves learning substitution "tricks" that can be used to turn a non-vegan dish into a vegan one.
For eggs, I've mostly heard that you can replace those with soaked chia or flax seeds. You use the pectin that dissolves out of the seeds as the binder.
I have also seen people only claim that apply sauce or bananas are good vegan substitutes for egg. I haven't really tried that out before in it's own, but I imagine that the combo of ( soaked chia/flax seed + banana/apple sauce ) is what emulates eggs the most. You get the binding power from the seeds, with the wet nature from the banana or apply sauce.
FYI, vegans look for ways to "veganize" dishes all the time, especially at restaurants. Seldom do I want to take my friends or family to vegan-only restaurants because they tend to have "fat vegan" food. I'm better off enjoying a meal with them at a vegetarian/omnivore restaurant, which may or may not have vegan options. You have to learn to make substitutes on the fly to maintain your practice.
Just my 2¢
Oh sure, I totally get that. I’ve used flax seed and applesauce in baking recipes before because I didn’t have an egg or whatever. But in this case I’m a little baffled because I liken it to a a vegetarian trying to find substitutes for a steak. (Which, yeah, I suppose scientists are trying to do just that.) When you’re substituting an ingredient that is performing a function, like a binder, that makes a bit more sense to me. But when it’s a key flavor ingredient in a dish, I don’t really get why one would bother, or at least they shouldn’t be surprised if a substitution didn’t work and it shouldn’t reflect badly on the original recipe. All that being said, I also respect vegetarians and vegans for doing something that I’m not willing to do myself!
I've met people like this. They are real and usually not invited back.
Edit: same to anyone claiming to be allergic to msg! Mfer I just saw you drink a bloody Mary!
In defense of the MSG thing - afaik you can't actually be allergic to it (outside of some super rare conditions, like the ones where youre allergic to things like icewater) but it is a relatively common migraine trigger. Downing it with booze, which for many people helps with migraines (the vasodilator/vasoconstrictor effects sorta cancel eachother out) means it has a minimal effect.
This isn't everyone, obviously migraines are uncommon and ones triggered by MSG are an extension in rarity, but it is explicable behavior in a very real subset of the population.
People with dietary restrictions, often have several. It’s because they they think more about their food.
Seriously I refuse to believe this is isn't a troll. Swapping eggs for bananas in an EGG custard is just baked banana.
Sounds like something you'd write on a placard at a protest.
Say no to GMO gluten-free vegans
Thing is a ripe mashed banana can be used as an egg substitute for recipes. Not that one clearly.
Depends what the egg is being used for. As a binder? Absolutely! Works great in cakes. But you certainly are not making custard with it.
If I mash a banana enough it becomes a bit custardy.
Ok, but ... sometimes one just has to acknowledge that a banana isn't an egg, you know?
Not really, cause nobody claimed it was.
"a banana isn't an egg"
"Not really..."
...
... bananas are eggs?
You misquoted:
It makes sense to not have to acknowledge that something isn't something else when it doesn't even matter, because nobody claimed it to be that thing in the first place.
Ok, but ... sometimes one just has to acknowledge that a banana isn't an egg, you know?
I've never acknowledged that a banana isn't an egg to be honest. I've never even thought about that, like ever.
Ok, but... sometimes one just has to acknowledge that substitution is the expectation that one is another in part to a non-zero degree, you know?
Probably not when it's the main ingredient like in this case
Might as well just make a banana pie
Instructions unclear; what do I do with this circuit board?
Did you just substitute raspberries for bananas that were supposed to be eggs?
Install retrorangepi of it's got the old h3 chip.
I followed your advice and made a banana pie. But as I didn't have any bananas at hand I replaced them with eggs. The pie had an eggy consistency and didn't taste anything like banana.
Bad advice, 1/10, wouldn't do it again.
I just recently found out that (in some cakes) bananes actually can eb eggs. Pretty cool!
Yes, basically in any cake that doesn't have "Egg" in the name :)
Wouldn't work in my chocolate cake. Or can you tell me how to separate bananas and beat them until stiff and white?
That's what I'm currently doing to my own banana. I didn't even have to separate it.
Apple Sauce is a great substitute too! About 60g / ¼ cup per egg. It works especially well in cakes that are already pretty moist, like brownies.
Yes, if the egg is used to deliver wetness. Not when it is used to deliver binding.
I currently having a horrible picture running through my head of an attempt to make my chocolate cake with bananas instead of eggs...
Someone should tell her that bananas are a GMO. So is rice, corn, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, brussels sprouts, kale, and mustard. They all exist because humans modified them, if humans didn't exist then neither would those plants.
Ironically the one thing that isn't a GMO is the damn egg.
Well.........
Chickens have been gene modified by 1000's of years of selective breeding. Those eggs, by extension, are therefore gene modified also. Otherwise you wouldn't get more chickens like you want them.
I believe they're referring to the even more specific definition of GMO where genes are manipulated directly rather than indirectly through breeding and domestication.
But you are correct in a general sense. I believe the Wikipedia article for GMO also makes an even more generalized definition where any plant/animal whose genes are modified, by humans or nature, are GMO.
It's the same arguement against cloned meat. People get upset by the method because they don't understand that the DNA literally doesn't care.
If you modify you through breeding or through direct genetic manipulation or even through radiation exposure, Which is how they got red grapefruit by the way, the end result is still DNA. It's not weird mutant dangerous DNA, it's just normal DNA which is different to the original. There's no way it can hurt anyone.
I used to try and gauge how good a recipe I found online is by reading through the comments that people leave below. However, about 10 years ago or so, I had to stop because it seemed like nearly every single one had multiple comments like this, though not quite as extreme. I think some people are like me, they must enjoy pretending to be faceboomers and leaving ridiculous comments on random sites. I still remember one that I read a while ago that gave me a giant chuckle. But most of them just give me heart burn. Then again so does eggs.
I love recipe comments like these. It is really just insight into how absolutely ludicrous and entitled people are. Why can't your recipe simply bend reality to my will, and modify itself into what I desire to give me the outcome of my dreams.
"Instead of chicken I used an unborn cow's fetus and it tasted a bit funny, 1/5 stars"
We didn't have any potatoes on hand for the potato salad so we used diced up and used our pet clown fish instead. It tasted funny.
Everyone knows you need to debone and remove the funnybone, so you clown fish doesn't taste funny anymore
I feel like about ten years ago the Internet was invaded by non Internet people. As in there was a large influx of idiots who were previously unable to be online because it required an actual PC, stable internet connection and some know how. Then dipshits with iPhones started posting their dumbass stream of thought messages with voice to text.
I die a little each time I read something and some halfwit used "ewe" instead of "you."
It's called "Eternal September" and happened when AOL started.
Before I was even born. Sorry for being an internet poser and newgen
My first ISP was AOL. It was a kamikaze by words, LOL
Still, worth it because it's important for folks to know their history.
Are you even old bro?
I tried a recipe for a cake but I substituted the dry ingredients for buns because they're already baked, I replaced the chocolate with burger, and I replaced the frosting with sauce. Can anyone explain to me why my cake tastes like a hamburger now?
It's because of the oven, can't you read ?
A+ for diplomacy
I would like to believe people like this don't exist. But sadly, they do.
Think of the average person. Half the population is dumber than that.
Average is sensitive to outliers, it is possible more than half is below it (or above).
You want median.
I was paraphrasing a George Carlin joke:
true for smaller sample sizes, but for large normally-distributed sets, such as "all people," the mean and median will be pretty much identical. when you take a larger sample, it's more likely that an outlier on one end will be balanced out by a similar outlier on the other end. e.g. when you measure the height of 50 people, you might happen to end up with one person who's 6'8" and have to account for that, but when you measure the height of 50,000 people, you're more likely to also have someone who's 4'4"
Mashed bananas and scrambled eggs are the same!
*Massed banana
Purchased a bunch at church.
they both look like monkey vomit.
Monkey vomit is just mashed banana with extra steps
Sarah the Subtle Savage
I love it when people who represent a company (or in this case, a website) are smartasses to customers. I work with the public, and many times I’ve wanted to tell someone off but I don’t want to get in shit with upper management. My direct manager would support me but the higher ups definitely wouldn’t. Today actually I said to a coworker that I wanted to tell off a lady I was just dealing with but couldn’t. The lady was pretending she knew everything (that’s not how you do things, you’re wrong it’s this way, etc) and I very nearly said “I didn’t realize you work here” or something less pleasant but decided against it last second.
I learned a long time ago that there are customers you cannot afford to have. They cost more than they are worth to keep. And on occasions, I have told them off to make them go away.
The majority of customers do need courtesy and understanding. But there are those few that don't.
The usual vegan recipe complaint: "I wanted to follow your recipe for grandma's meatloaf, but substituted anything offending with the first thing I found on google. Your meatloaf neither looks nor tastes like my Grandma's!"
This seems like a troll, because there are other (better) egg substitutes that a vegan would likely already know of.
I don't know. I was vegan for a good 10 years and during that time met a lot of really stupid vegans. They're not the majority, but they're out there.
wait... chicken parmesan is not vegan?
Yes, and even then, I have met some amazingly smart and successful people whose lifestyle-become-creed has led them into some amazingly stupid situations. Including a few vegans.
We are all stupid at some point in our lives at some things.
100%, I'm frequently stupid about things!
What's the term? Nobel syndrome, where someone who may very well be an outright genius in their specialty is stupid in anything else. I may be stupid but at least I don't let my ego blind me just cause I'm vaguely competent at a scattering of things.
Fair point. I guess I figured at least flax seed would be a given, as even I know about it (and I'm not vegan).
In the same way that not everyone is a competent cook, not all vegans are competent cooks. I don't find it too surprising that someone might naively think "banana in this custard would be nice" without grasping that the egg is structurally important for the dish rather than for flavor or protein.
Mashed banana is a good substitute for egg in lots of baking recipe, like cakes and such, but for custard it wouldn't work at all, cornflour is probably what they want to use, or something along those lines. A thickening agent.
How often does one have to try?
It depends on the recipe. Replacing egg with banana in muffins, where you mainly need it for the moisture? Works fine.
Replacing egg with banana in a custard, where you need it as a binding agent and stiffener? Won't work.
Replacing egg white with banana in a meringue? What are you even doing?
Having read more than one discussion column on recipe sites, I would not put it past some people. They would first complain that there are no instructions on how to separate a banana, then that whisking it does not produce something resembling a beaten egg white, and finally that baking it produces something not even close to meringue. Ah, yes, and because they added the amount of sugar given in the recipe, they'll finally complain about the result being overly sweet.
They then leave a 1 star because the recipe was awful.
Simple: Try to make a mushroom omelette with bananas subbing for the eggs. Repeat until recipe produces a tasty mushroom omelette.
It has to work, eventually!
Weirdly enough a mashed banana can be an egg substitute for the right recipe.
My Wife has celiac, so no gluten for her. So when looking for gluten free recipes, we often come across full on vegan recipes with substitutes. A mashed banana for eggs is one of them.
It might work where the egg is not meant to set, where it's basically a binder. But if it is meant to set or firm up then best to use something else. As an aside, my two kids are celiac and there is some really weird substitutes for wheat flour in some products. Anyone who thinks gluten free is somehow healthier should read the ingredients labels.
I didn't say it was a good sub in all cases. Just that it is a valid one for many.
I think the egg functions as a thickener in there, so some kind of starch or maybe a vegan gelatin would work.
would banana work?
Yes, replace the starch with a banana and more starch.
Probably not. It's high in starch but not a great thickener, and it doesn't set.
Not in an egg custard. That's an egg / milk dish.
Well, obviously you're taking liberties. You could come up with something broadly similar though. Coconut milk and starch probably.
Yep, that sounds like what they have in those instant Pudding mixes, which have a similar consistency (and are vegan, most of the time).
You can even do it with Soy/Oat/Almond milk
Yes, it's likely possible to find some vegan equivalent that matches a custard. Might take some trial and error, but someone will do (or likely has done) it.
It's unfortunate to see omnis in chat gatekeep this food. Like, sure it won't be 100% the same, but it's more inclusive to have vegan alternatives than to not have them. We can all better relate that way, and uk avoid tribe mentality
Pectic is the vegan gelatin you're referring to. Usually vegans can find that in packets like gelatin from the store, although another source is from chia or flax seeds.
You soak the seeds in water for probably 1-2 hours, and the liquid as a result contains the pectin from the seeds.
Pectin like this and bananas (or often apple sauce) likely emulate eggs the best. You get the binding power from the seeds, and the wetness from the bananas/apple sauce
Banana or applesauce can be an OK replacement for eggs. The latter works great as a binder in meatballs. The former ruins the meatballs, unless "banana meatballs" sounds delicious to you.
Plantain meatballs sounds great though!
A plantain pork meatball legit sounds amazing.
Crush/grind the plantain? Mix with ground pork, salt, pepper, cumin, garlic, pan fry and serve with a glaze? I think that might just work and I kind want to get it
Nice thinking!
The good thing is that bananas have no bones.
I only ever buy boneless bananas. It’s a good thing, too, as I’ve never been able to find bone-in bananas before at the grocery store.
Veganism is a cult. You can't change my mind.
Veganism is ethical. Vegans can be stupid the same way carnivores can be. This reductive belief system may work in a world without critical thinking but I find your comment just as stupid as the one in this post.
There are vegans and then there are militant vegans. And those militant ones tend to be new to veganism. Or they are just straight up assholes.
But the few vegans I have known were very nice people and you wouldn't know they were vegans if you weren't swapping recipes with them.
I like the militant ones. it's the evangelistic ones that bother me.
All ethics-based movements benefit when their constituents adopt all sorts of different roles to achieve the movements' aims.
Look at MLK Jr., Malcolm X, and the Black Panthers. Different sides of the Civil Rights Movement, but all equally valid as they each apply pressure in different ways to bring about change.
Militant vegans are needed just as much as peaceful ones.
Veganism is a specific version of ethics/morality, extended to other organisms beyond humans.
Other specific versions of ethics/morality in the world exist, like religion, political ideologies, cultural norms, etc.
On a philosophical level, it's not different in that regard.
You're just trying to scare bait people from having an open mind about the tradition