It's also targeting fields that are usually a majority of women on top of the access.

My partner is a nurse here in the Northeast. Unfortunately a lot of her coworkers are Trumpies.

Most of them are practically disengaged from politics and only follow their (male) partner's political beliefs. If they're from one of the surrounding rural (white and low income) areas, the chances they're like this are higher. Not shockingly, a fair amount of their partners are cops.

It's strange and disheartening to hear about nurses she works with who flaunt that they won't get the covid vaccine, who denigrate patients with substance abuse disorder, who verbalize that they would rather not treat a trans person, and who treat black and brown folks like a different species. But it's definitely a trend in nursing culture up here.

Its especially difficult for my partner who chose this path in large part because of her acute sense of empathy. The state of healthcare is just bad here.

Nurse Practitioners, Pennsylvanias, and Registered Nurses? 🤔

They want to reduce the needed learning so they can pay people less to do the same job but pass it off as some streamlining process to address shortages. They're still going to charge the same for care but pay less to those who provide it.

Taking an actual problem and looking to address it from a capitalist view point so that line always goes up.

Is it good when i, a crumbling octogenarian vote away all the systems keeping me tethered to this mortal form?

Just as good as deporting immigrant truckers during a ongoing trucker shortage. Big brains in the White House, clearly.

Likely it was done due to some promise from an AI robotics firm or something.

Probably has a lot to do with their decades-long assault on teaching, too.

Haven't looked at what nurses made in 20 years, but why do I feel like I'm going to be sad when I find out they make the same as police.

lol chiropractor and theology are professionals.

Clinical psychologists are PhD level therapists and are very good at what they do generally

So my eyes, feet, and soul need professional care, but not my ears? Wild.

they do. they want to rule the ashes.

Step one: Get into power Step two: Crash the economy Step Three: buy up every on the cheap whike destroying welfare and anything you want rid of. Step four: Monopolies for the rich, corporoticracy for everyone else.

Hell, Canada NEEDS medical professionals

I'm sure this affects student loans and education grants as well.

Its for RNs who want to become APRNs/NPs. "Professionals" meant things like doctor and lawyer, and required a grad program. It won't affect nursing as an associates (RN) or bachelor's (BSN).

That being said, Healthcare CEOs fucking LOVE them some APRNs, so this will get changed back within a year I'd bet.

Why do you want them to have qualified care?
No give them a MAGA nurse, and tell the nurse it's a liberal, and let them eat each other.

Agreed, but lets be real, none of them would ever set foot in a publicly available health institution. All high-end private care for the rich while we get to pay out the nose for band-aids and autism tablets.

I think they'd relish the idea of a liberal wiping their ass.

But that's just the CNAs. Not a real nurse. Not like they'd know the difference.

Come to Canada eh?

try to go abroad where nurses are still valued.

There’s a difference between an LPN, an RN, etc. Some nurses do have doctorates, which yeah, might be about the same amount of education that a doctor typically gets.

There’s a perception that nurses are “lesser” than doctors - but nursing is fundamentally a different skill set.

The nurse they quoted claimed 15 years of college

15 years of experience, it seems, and since I'm pretty sure most nurses aren't in a union, what do you want to bet her wages/cost of living ratio actually went down over those 15 years. A relative of mine is in the same business of IV hydration, and it's definitely because the potential money is way better than her other options.

I think you've missed the point. You seem to think that the changes wouldn't affect anything. But if they wouldn't change anything, then why are they being made? So in reality, you're arguing against reality. And you're arguing against facts that people have provided you.

"They're the same!" 🙄

Normalizing and celebrating Genocide, calling nurses not professional ⚖️

Fuck, you're right. Establishing genocide as the norm fully supported and celebrated by Democrats is the better option in this scenario. Fuck Palestinian children, let them die horrible deaths as long as your nurses don't get called unprofessional by Trump. This is the worst timeline, not the one where liberals deep throat genocide while pretending to care about others in the same breath.

You're a bad person, and you should feel bad.

If they make government work they can't keep lying about how it does not work.

Weel, they're never going to stop lying.

/s, right?

They once tried to prove that DNPs (Doctorate of Nurse Practitioner) was just as good as an MD or DO education. They did this by taking the top DNP grads from the best programs and gave them a dumbed down version of the easiest part of the medical license exam, and only 40% passed it.

For context, to get a medical license, a physician has to have passed Steps 1-3 of the USMLE (US Medical License Exam) or Levels 1-3 of COMLEX (Comprehensive Osteopathic Medical Licensing Exam) to be eligible to apply for a medical license. Step/Level 2 is usually considered the hardest one of the three, and Step/Level 3 is the longest exam (2 full days), but generally considered to be the easiest. This DNP exam took the easiest 20% of questions from Step 3 and made a half-length version of the exam....and 60% of the DNPs still failed it.

The NP/DNP education is almost entirely algorithm-based and doesn't meaningfully get into the anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, and pharmacology that the first 2 years of medical school are devoted to. I have seen NPs miss life-threatening diagnoses because they were rare diseases that don't come up outside of those first 2 years of drinking from a firehose of textbooks in medical school. Their education just isn't long enough or in-depth enough to actually be equivalent to an MD or DO degree.

Also, MDs and DOs have almost 4000 hours of supervised medical practice where a physician is checking their work and directly observing or guiding their clinical experience before finishing medical school. Residency is, at minimum, another 8000 to 10000 hours of supervised practice in the specialties that only require 3 years of residency (it ranges from 3 to 9 years based on specialty).

NPs don't have any standardized requirements for supervised practice to get their licenses and most programs only require 1000 hours or less of shadowing where they are just observing a licensed NP practice and not actually doing anything hands-on themselves.... And they try to argue that this education is sufficient for them to be equal to physicians. There are some NPs who are amazing providers, but they're usually the ones that were bedside nurses for 10+ years before going back to school for their NP license. The newer NPs that are going straight through from their BSN without any actual experience are the really dangerous ones.

TO BE CLEAR: I love the nurses I work with and I value their work and their input immensely. I was an EMT/ER tech before med school and it's really sad when nurses are so confused when I help them clean up patients or reposition or whatever as a med student because most physicians and medical students don't stop to help the nurses clean up poop. You can always tell which physicians have never had to clean up poop before, and I try very hard not to be like them.

The issue is that it affects things like student loan forgiveness, which often requires people to remain employed as a professional in their field of study for a certain period of time after receiving their degree.

What does that even mean? You either have a student loan or you don’t.