This New AI-Powered App Lets Users Chat With Jesus, Mary, The Apostles — And Even Satan
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Christians sure do love their blasphemy
Surely the second commandment was more of a suggestion.
Rules only ever apply to the out-group.
Look, as long as I can keep the mistranslations that back up my internalized bigotry, I'm good.
They treat most of them as suggestions
that's about as graven as an image can be lol
i'm not christian. my god enjoys creative blasphemy. what's your point?
His English is pretty good for someone born in first-century Judea.
https://biblehub.com/q/was_jesus_omniscient.htm
I suppose that establishes it. Jesus is presumably also fluent in Cockney rhyming slang.
If Jesus is omniscient and we can talk to him now, then Google and Ai become obsolete... uhm, wait...
but of course it's not that simple, because God works in mysterious ways™️
I don't think you've heard the news, but... He's been always among us.
Sus.
Regardless of your thoughts on religion, this is a total trash AI chatbot.
It's just a custom ChatGPT edit: with Bible verses as a RAG, and this guy charges $2.99 a month to unlock the "other characters." As expected, zero external theological reference is used.
I'm more upset I didn't think of it first. Literally anyone can do this.
I bet 1000 dollars that it's not trained on shit and just a openai wrapper with the bible as rag
100%
Maybe nobody's done Muhammad and Buddha yet.
Do you want a Jihad? Because this is how you get a Jihad.
Edit: and I was thinking of doing Ronald Reagan and Lincoln and being that conservative cash in my own pocket, then gas lighting them all into something absurd like compassion.
Lincoln but he really likes what he's hearing from that Marx fellow over in Germany
Do you want ICE in your house? Because this is how you get ICE in your house.
exactly, anyone could've build this shit in an hour. The fact that it has made the news in Christian circles is fucking concerning.
Take pride in being more Jesus-like than any of those assholes. You're poor because you don't spend your time concocting ways to fleece other poor people out of what little money they have.
I feel like my unwillingness to fuck people over has really put me behind in this country lol, oh well I'd rather stick to my principles.
I'm unfortunately right there with you. I'm of an age where it is simply impossible for me to even dream of retiring. Ever. I will either die on the job, or end myself when I'm no longer able to work.
To be fair, a sack of wet hammers is more Christian than most Americans
A Charlie Kirk feature is expected soon to provide access to the 13th disciple.
It must be so interesting to be in a room with these people, puzzling out new ideas to separate stupid people from their money.
I'm not super well versed in the Bible but this has to be blasphemous, no?
A machine pretending to be Jesus? Ain't that a false idol?
It is literally taking the Lord's name in vanity.
I'm not sure most Christians these days are concerned about spotting false idols.
The Vatican is going to hate this even more, ever since the Pope voiced his concerns over AI.
The Vatican has been too "woke" for the right-wing for at a couple popes now.
Nope.
🎶 Peter Thiel knows about the anti-christ 🎶
Oops, it's all Satan
Tbf, that may be a step up from what's actually happening.
Chatting with fictional characters via AI is nothing new.
Jesus very probably did exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
I don't know if the historicity of any of the other figures listed has been established. I mean, Jesus had a mother, for example, but I don't know if there's any reason to believe that she was anything like Mary as the Bible describes her.
I'd guess that most of the Biblical figures with established historical existence are gonna be major figures like Pontius Pilate.
kagis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_biblical_figures_identified_in_extra-biblical_sources
That a jesus (probably) existed does not mean the jesus of the bible is that jesus.
Just like robinhood might be based on an amalgamation if real outlaws, the character of robin hood as popularly understood is still fictional.
I do think there's a meaningful distinction to be made between something being attributed to a real person and a fictional character being loosely based on real people, though. Like, I think we can be pretty confident that the events in the Epic of Gilgamesh didn't really happen (at least not literally), but if Gilgamesh was, like is generally accepted, a real person, the Gilgamesh in the Epic is most likely supposed to be that guy. Whereas Robin Hood was probably never meant to be any particular person.
That said, do we actually know whether all the stories in the Bible about Jesus were originally about the same individual? The new testament was written decades and centuries after the death of historical Jesus, by people who didn't even live in the region, right? So all the stories the authors heard would have come from traders and missionaries of Christian cults with vocal traditions. That alone is very long game of telephone, but I imagine every town at the time would have at least one person claiming to be messiah, and if one of them became a big enough deal that rumours around him spread beyond town, there would also be bunch of copycats. So a lot of room for mix-ups.
"I am Jesus, your king!" "I heard Jesus was buried like three days ago!" "I uh- I have come back from the dead!" And then he skipped town ASAP.
Some of the apocryphal gospels seem really embarrassed about the idea of Mary being a commoner/spinning clothes for money.
There are very old rumors about Jesus being the son of a Roman soldier who raped Mary.
There’s probably something we can peer at, through a glass darkly, about her somewhere there.
the roman's name (panthera) is a pun on virgin (parthena), according to an unreliable scholar i met
"Promised me all the gold I could eat"
Thank you for being the one to post that. It really bugs me when people say Jesus didn't exist and present it as if it's uncontroversial fact. Whether you believe in the claims about Him as a Messiah, a divine figure, et cetera are beside the point when discussing His existence. There is actual historical evidence to support that the figure existed and began a ministry around that time. Being anti historical is just bad practice, regardless of the side you're falling on. Historical Jesus is a fascinating subject.
Again, regardless of your view, love Him or hate Him, a guy was born, said some stuff, and died, and it literally changed the entire course of human history. Religions that reigned for thousands of years do not exist anymore because of Him, the most influential government to exist until the modern era was based on the idea of being the torch bearers of His legacy. Empires rose and fell on His word (or, His supposed words, depending on your point of view). Like... No matter what, it's a crazily interesting thing, and the idea that any one human can have a legacy like that is amazing. Let's not downplay it. Heck, if you hate the guy, at least acknowledge He was real so that we figure out how to prevent others from having their message of peace and love so distorted and causing so much grief.
A dude lived 2000 years ago and we're still talking about him, that's pretty incredible. Worth learning about. Same with other historical religious figures, like Muhammed, Siddhartha Gautama (the Buddha, although we are slightly less sure he existed, though consensus is that he did), Adi Shankara, and others.
I'm not sure why you're being downvoted. Just because religions have ruined lives doesn't mean we can't acknowledge the historical significance of many of these religious figures.
I mean, glazing over emperors, philosophers, and other historical figures is kinda normal around here despite the same issue of dubious accuracy about their lives.
I don't really care about down votes, tbh. But disliking a figure and pretending they don't exist is ridiculous. "Stalin was awful! So he's fictional!"
... Yeah, bro. That tracks. Lol
I know many people who were chatting with god even without any apps or AI.
DMT be like that.
Schizophrenia. Anytime my ex-MiL went off her meds, she'd hear voices from the walls.
that's why i just talk to my cats when i'm home alone. sometimes when my wife is home, she thinks it's cute.
i pretend their meows are parts of an actual conversation, and then respond to what i'm imagine they're saying based off their tone.
the orange one complains about his sister a lot.
Isn't this like a false prophet or whatever
Yes. Yes it is.
Didn't the pope already say it was sacrilegious to do this?
All the AIs are trained on public domain texts like the bible, just prompt your favorite AI to take on the role.
But there are issues of perspective even within the bible, like who are the reliable narrators? Who was pushing an obvious agenda or how was the text changed in the ensuing millennia? AI is not a biblical scholar, that's a whole different, more complex concept.
People will just use this as confirmation bias of whatever they want to believe about the bible.
Methinks this is the point, create silo'd echo chambers that are tailored to the individual's biases. They can't possibly keep up with all the different denominations and their particular spin on interpreting the bible, nor do they care to. AI, though, can hallucinate any confirmation desired and be convincing while doing it.
A lot of Christians think the pope is a Satanist
Querying the bible, including Caananite sources for which everything before Moses is based on, you get to conclude the Moses was a Hasbara piece of shit warmonger who invented everything to split from Caananite traditions. New Testament/Jesus only makes sense if he is being politically polite/correct in addressing Jews about what a piece of shit Moses was. Religion based on the bible is still first and foremost, power for the religious body that can be maximized through alliance with Kings/politicians. Take people's souls to sell them for the most demonic purposes is the profit of religion.
AI is good a biblical/period history research. Pastors are good at telling you the most important part of the bible is how to support Israel supremacy to bring about Armaggedon/rapture as "your" reward.
Dear Jesus,
when you return, which Christian pastors and politicians will you smite?
I can finally learn if he masturbates by fucking his hand holes or not!
*wrists
The hand would fail holding up.
True, but then again we're talking about a book where a guy walked across (apparently) unfrozen water, turned water into wine, and died and came back to life again.
Oh, no argument about the lividity of the Bible!
What a terrible day to be literate
Ah so they put the antichrist into an app (cheap imitation of the Messiah)
Hey god never got mad about a little idolatry!
in before it asks a kid to send nudes
That's what the priests are for.
Okay, what if we build the calf out of copper wire and RAM sticks this time?
You know, one possible reason why Ea Nasir kept that complaint was because it was so ridiculous and Karen-esque and he had the best copper in the region and now he's forever known as the guy with the bad quality copper.
As a religiously neutral person (I don't fit with either atheists or agnostics), I like the idea of this.
There is a finite amount of information about Jesus... and a lot of speculation. There are also other books that are not part of the Bible because those who curated the Bible chose not to include them. The first five books of the New Testament for example, the Gospels of Luke, John, and the others, are the stories of Jesus, but they differ slightly due to each disciple's interpretation. You may ask why Judas didn't get a book? He wrote one. But it was not included because he was the traitor who betrayed Jesus. So he doesn't get a say. But, what if he did?
I'd like to see this chat bot be very transparent about its sources. By default it should limit itself to what is in the Bible, but it should also be possible to add other sources as well. If Christians are truly serious about the command by God to not add anything to the Bible, a Jesus chatbot should be more trustworthy than some Biblical scholar's book about Jesus. The latter is speculation while the former should only be sourced from the Bible. Sure, it might be sacrilege, but if it's done right, I think it could be an invaluable tool for priests who want to run their planned sermon — since a lot of them now are writing them on a computer anyway — by "Jesus" to have "Him" tell them if anything goes against the Bible and how they could improve it.
I'd just be curious what it says about certain controversial topics, especially if it goes against the Christian grain, and can source its reasoning with Scripture. To avoid blasphemy, it should also tell you straight up that it is not pretending to be Jesus, but rather, is only using the entire Bible (+ whatever sources you add) to help you understand what Jesus, as portrayed in those sources, would say. I imagine it would be against abortion, for example, since the act of a married het couple is an act of God and the fetus would have a soul. It would be less sure if the parents were not married, but I think it would still be against it. That said, it would probably be for immigrants and the poor. It would point out that homosexual sex is considered an unclean act, but the actual love and relationship itself is not and that a pious life would counteract that, and it could also point out that everyone sins and lives unclean lives, and that's the whole point of John 3:16. But, what do I know, I'm not a Christian. I've just read the Bible. A long time ago. But I feel like I got the message.
More that it was a weird heretical Gnostic text. And extremely doubtful that it would have been Judas who wrote it - really seems more like a second century text. There are tons of pseudepigraphal gospels floating around.
See the ordeal of the bitter water for what the Bible has to say on abortion.
Also genesis describes the soul entering at the first breath.
I mean, heresy was invented to suppress politically conflicting directions of Christianity. Gnosticism was a popular direction at one point in history, dominating the "mainstream" in some parts of the world. There were more Marcian churches than trinitarian. Gnosticism is only weird from your perspective, after it was already basically outlawed. Admittedly, that is probably a valid justification for calling it with weird, but I'd like to make a distinction that it is not weird on its own, only because it got banned. In fact, in the context of being influenced by Greek philosophy, it was quite logical. Judas gospel was probably not written by Judas, but other, canonical gospels werw probably not written by original authors either, at least some of them.
So you definitely don't have education on Christianity in a theological or religious studies capacity. To begin with: it's absolutely certain that none of the gospel writers met Jesus. They compiled stories of him into cohesive narratives. There were other gospels floating around (including Judas's, but that's highly unlikely to have been written by Judas Iscariot). Hell, Paul of Tarsus who wrote a lot of the epistles never met Jesus. The creation of biblical canon was a difficult process and to this day Protestants use 7 less books in their Bible than Catholics (the deuterocanonical books). The orthodox have even more deuterocanonical books.
These books aren't just curiosity. They contain some of the fundamental disagreements between Protestants and Catholics, such as purgatory, angelic/saintly intercession thanks to prayer, and the idea that salvation may be possible through good works. And this isn't getting into sola scriptura vs Tradition, but that's also huge, as Catholics believe that formalized beliefs and practices passed down through the centuries can be just as legitimate as scripture (in part because what counts as scripture is also passed down in that way).
So let's say that a person asks this app what Jesus would say about what's going to happen to a good friend who is a deeply moral person but just doesn't believe in Jesus. The protestant answer would be that if they don't accept him as their personal savior they're going to hell, though they may get a final chance as they die. The catholic answer would be that if they're a good person who lives a life of minimal sin there is reasonable hope for their salvation, but even if not they're likely to spend time in purgatory as the sin is removed from their soul so that they can eventually belong in heaven. It may then give some saints to ask for intercession.
These are wildly different answers and it's not touching on orthodoxy or the writings on Jewish ideas during the rabbinic age (Jesus was Jewish and therefore would have opinions on the religion he was a part of). Or on different protestant teachings. Protestants who believe every word in the Bible is literally true, and have no disagreement on what passages are in the Bible still schism with each other. Then there's translation. The Bible was written in several different languages. The various translations have different proponents and they'll fight over it. The very popular King James is apparently beautifully written and poorly translated.
Then there's the other crux here: what did and didn't Jesus say and what did he mean. He came not to abolish the old law but to fulfill it, so can you have gay sex (see also translation concerns), foreskin, a cheeseburger, shrimp, or mixed fiber clothing? He didn't say shit about abortion, but a lot of Christians have pretty firm opinions on that issue (and many protestant denominations changed their mind on it in the late 20th century).
Biblical scholarship is scholarship, and it's difficult and controversial scholarship a lot of the time. There's a reason you need what amounts to an advanced degree to just an ordinary advanced degree in a relevant topic to become a pastor in some Christian denominations, yet in others you just have to start preaching.
Also if someone asks Jesus what he thought of when he first arrived in America you're gonna find out really fast if the creator of the app considers Mormons Christian.
I am looking forward to the Shin Megami Tensei version of this.
But can I chat with Good Shepherd Jesus, the young Dionysian, boyish, beardless, short-haired Jesus of women and lepers? (Contrast the bearded, long-haired, often blue-eyed imperial, Apollonian and sometimes white-supremacist Jesus of kings and churches)
(Jesus' looks and depictions was a recent topic of Dan McClellan.)
I picture my Jesus with one of them tuxedo t shirts. It says he's kind of formal but he's here to party.
Knocking out money changers in the temple Jesus, flipping over tables Jesus.
That story is from 2023
Interesting roster
Most of those people were likely illiterate, and wouldn't have been able to write the chat messages. You're gonna get about as much out of Jesus on the other end of a chat program as you would a cat walking across the keyboard.
Meow? :3
What does it say about immigrants?
I wonder if it calls out shit that goes against Jesus's teachings.
Yeah, so let's enjoy the time we got left! Now where's my baby seal club?
Hey Jesus, show me a seahorse emoji
Some one should ask it… “since you only got chromosomes from Marry, and assuming she wasn’t intersex, does that make you trans?”
Just think, if Mary hadn't been sleeping with the mailman we wouldn't have to be dealing with this shit.
Oh, no, I wasn't cheating on you this baby came from, er... God yeah, god, it's a virgin birth honest.
can you imagine.... getting Joseph drunk as fucking hell and then showing up as gabriel being like.. "yeah cool story bro."
Just when you thought AI couldn't play any deeper into the delusions of the stupid and gullible. Bravo AI. Now excuse me while I go lay down on some train tracks.
Can we make that a group activity? Cause I'm so done with this timeline as well.
I really like the idea that this is how God has chosen to speak with people. ;p
Out with burning bushes in and in with AI.
At what point does it stop being a religious thing anymore?
https://m.twitch.tv/ask_jesus was quite popular a while back.
Satan you say?
,,,,,♥️ back you.
https://youtu.be/U0YkPnwoYyE
Famously simple and uncontroversial thing to do, interpret what Jesus would say in response to any question.
Also loling at Satan not giving evil advice in a Christian app
No it doesn't, it let's you talk to an LLM that is configured to give responses like imaginary beings would.
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get help
I'm terrified