Putin's adviser warns Russia risks new civil war and internal collapse of the nation
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/45454904
Mounting economic hardship and growing public discontent could push Russia toward internal conflict, a senior Kremlin official has warned.
The stark message comes as inflation, war fatigue, and social divisions deepen across the country.
Alexander Kharichev, head of the Presidential Directorate for Monitoring and Analysing Social Processes, issued the warning in a state-run journal.
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Military over social spending
Rising prices have hit ordinary Russians hard, with food costs climbing well above the national inflation rate. Businesses are struggling to stay afloat, and layoffs and bankruptcies loom large.
Despite the pressure, the Kremlin continues to prioritize military spending over social welfare.
At the same time, Russia’s workforce has been decimated by more than a million war casualties, mostly men of working age, worsening the long-term demographic decline and ageing population.
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Kharichev warned of “fragmentation of society” and the “loss of Russia’s ability to fight for its survival.”
His analysis cited the growing erosion of public trust in government and widening rifts within Russian society.
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Incoming headline:
It's especially impressive that he mananged to do that with his hands tied behind his back. Some people are just determined I guess.
Stuffed inside of a bag he put himself in.
injuries consistent of a 10story fall, from a 2-story building. or fell off a boat or plane. or the PLANE exploded.
Cause of death: ricin poisoning
putin stopped using it, its defenestration or novichik posioning.
Because the prices kept on ricin?
better novichik your pants.
What's incredible is this wouldn't be the first time Russia has spent such an insane amount of money on a futile war they absolutely collapse.
Collapsing is a proud Russian tradition. And now the US gets to do it with them!
We couldn't afford the Vietnam war. The Nixon Shock sealed our fate - it's just been very gradual.
Iraq cost ~3x what Vietnam did. But I'm not really disagreeing.
Well sure we had one, but what about second Iraq? Regime changies?? Afternoon Bombsies???
I'm not saying Iraq was not awful but at least it got US some oil domination which is a lot of return, Vietnam got nothing.
Except Vietnam had a draft, and we're still paying out for those vets.
As soon as it became clear how much russia botched the invasion initially, I've thought of vovka as Tsar Nicolas III
Be careful what you wish for. We might end up with Soviet Union Two: Electric Boogaloo.
Maybe this time they won't dismantle the worker's councils after the revolution, that'd be nice.
We'll get Stalin 2.0.
As in, an improvement on the original (fewer famines) model? Or an upgraded, more effective (bigger famines) model?
2040: A group of Neo-Bolsheviks seize control of Russia, fully intending to literally make fully automated luxury gay space communism real. Imagine a publicly owned vast automated supply chain that produced goods at scale with little human effort. Go full tilt on automation of all kinds, but direct all profits to the general welfare. Maybe do away with money entirely. It would start with a genuine utopian dream.
2060: Neo-Stalin rules over what was once Russia. Its human population, long since more trouble than they were worth, were largely done away with. The population of the country is approximately 2300. Yet the combined industrial output of the automated leviathan that sprawls over what was once the Moscow-St. Petersburg corridor now exceeds that of the PRC. And a frightening fraction of that is directed towards military purposes. Their population reduced to a handful of oligarchs still controls the first, second, or third most powerful military in the world, depending on form of measure.
or maybe Trotsky 2.0
Maybe they'll get it right this time and will be more resilient to capitalist interference.
Yeah... That was the problem....
Can we get the Czechoslovak legion involved? They sounded so cool.
Waiting for international women’s day any day now.
if russia is going to civil war, thier troll farms will be silent on social media for a while, thats a good thing.
Sometimes I reminisce how real the internet was before the propaganda machines took over :(
i remember reddit was pretty quiet and qaint like lemmy before 2016. then there was massive campaign underway to put propaganda on reddit, and then the first bans i recieved was during '18 in politics section, it just snowballed from there.
oh and you notice when reddit does thier usual annual purges the site becomes super quiet, or when PUTIN needed to turn his troll farms internally it had the same effect.
Yeah the pattern basically repeats on every information technology:
Except these days it's so accelerated that we barely get to enjoy step 2 :(
poligonal ursae in shambles
How the fuck a comment like this can have this many upvotes?
But you would maybe have your "peace" on social media. Yeah, good for you.
Yes, I'm aware. And that's entirely on their government. Putin and others below him should be blamed, not he entirety of the people who lives in Russia.
When talking about a possible civil war, "unfortunate" is such a weak euphemism. People would die, lots of them.
Ah for fuck sake can you not cpnsider the implications of what is being said rather than jumping right on to defending a dangerous, unpredictable nuclear power.
Frankly I hope they do fall to a civil war, even if loads die at least they will be fighting amongst themselves and not kidnapping Ukrainian kids to groom or send to the frontline.
Its either they are making the world worse or russia worse, I know which one I prefer.
Think of the children...
This is pure, undistilled xenophobia. By that logic anyone living under an undesirable government should just die. Well, guess what? A sizable part of the world is under bad government in one way or another. Should I be whishing the USA blows up too? Maybe we should all collectively just shoot ourselves in the head then?
Whatever man, I think the US economy collapsing is well deserved as it happens.
Drama queen
So it’s a race, is it? USA! USA! USA!
Wouldn't it be great if all the empires collapsed and everybody just like, learned their lesson?
literally everyone when an empire collapses:
omg what a happy world if both the US and Russia balkanized.
hahaha
I'm sorry, I think they have a lead. You (?) can come up from behind and get ahead afterwards, though, like in the space race!
I do enjoying coming from behind.
I really wish there was a setting to hide images automatically.
Russia is a colonial abomination that shoud not exist, so that's pretty decent news.
Considering Putin used a colonial war in Chechnya to consolidate power, it very much is a colonial state.
Don't you mean "imperial"? I take "colonial" to mean that it would itself be a colony.
I'd say both, colonialism is sort of a subtype of imperialism where the conquered territories get settled by the ruling people. Russia has engaged in this for a long time.
It won't be great news after the civil war ends up being between fascist and fascister.
haha okayyyyy
That guy better stay on the ground floor for the rest of his life. Anything higher up than oh say about 30 feet gets so darn slippery this time of year in Moscow that you just wouldn't believe it.
And stay away from tea too. And silenced handguns aimed at the back of the head. Just so many accidental ways people are dying nowadays
I hear the Polonium is lovely this time of year...
I recently heard Vladimir Kara-Murza, a Russian political dissident, give a talk. He survived two attempted poisonings among other things. He described how the current method of poisoning is for Putin’s henchmen to sneak into your home and put polonium into your underwear. So this guy might want to consider walking around naked for a while as well…
Russian technology is so advance that high rise balconies exist everywhere, including basements and submarines.
Yes please. Something good for once. That country is the source of so much suffering in the world.
I’ll believe it even I see it, just like any Trump news.
Seriously. Russia was supposed to collapse in 2023. Then in 2024. Then in 2025. Putin was sick and he was about to die. Endless supply of hopium. At this point I consider it all fake news until proven otherwise. Also there was the recent Money & Macro economic analysis that contradicts a lot of the hopium theories. And there's the whole contradiction between impending economic collapse and lauching war on NATO countries. The two are mutually exclusive.
Yep. History curves to justice my ass.
We didn't start the fire, we didn't light it but we tried to fight it. And fucking failed the open book test each time.
Yeah, with Putin's approval at 80% it's hard to see a civil war happening any time soon.
Sometimes things go out with a bang. There's a good chance that Putin's regime also survives it with only some regions falling out with it first.
According to Vlad Vexler, in Russian political/bureaucratic culture this is not to be understood as real analysis and more to be understood as functionaries pitching themselves as useful to Putin: https://youtu.be/ZJryUKULZ_E
Love Vlad Vexler, he nailed almost everything since the war started. Russia is actually not that complex, it's just a very big gang really.
Why are you, Mr Kharichev, so interested in windows?
I've been hearing this for 2 years. How's Putin's cancer doing, by the way?
it was, and remains, a real consequential threat of Putin's course of action. but these things are rarely quick, until they begin.
Well, that took long enough. The Russian people should be in revolt.
“But, Gregor, we are the peasants!”
Rethinking my EU5-related life choices right now
"Russia risks new Lenin"
It's crazy how much it start to seem like Russia and the US are like 2 sides to the same coin. It's almost like a small minority of persons with highly lethal weapons give them some sort of complex that leads them to believe they can make decision for everybody else at the cost of other people's livelihood.
Yay! 😃🍿
Hooray!
I think Mr. Kharichev is about to get window'd.
Defenestrated
Onto a trampoline where he bounced back in, and was refenestrated.
And then they injected polonium in his veins, the end
Every once in a while a story like this gets published and it occupies the news cycle for a little bit. They always end up being nothing.
A few years ago Putin was reportedly on his death bed. Prior to that he had aggressive Parkinson's and would resign in 6 months.
I suspect this is just a smoke screen for something else.
Indeed. If this happened it seems unwise - even if it was part of an essay suggesting doubling down on Putinist "family values". I don't recognise the source, though, and not much else comes up that I trust more on a search.
Edit: I found this. Maybe it's time to get my Russian practice in. The title does indeed read as described, at least.
Update, it was a journal article/paper, I don't have access, and I didn't find a copy anywhere.
Putin and Trump, and their respective countries, have lots in common. It's almost like they're marching in lock-step.
Yes. But trump isn't sending thousands of soldiers every week to die in the meat grinder... yet.
He's working hard on catching up, no worries.
And he doesn't even have to invade. He will kill his own people using his minions.
Just wait
That would be pretty neat, which means it won't happen.
Good. Die faster, Russia.
In Russia this is called “Tuesday”.
Finally some clever words about reality. But I doubt that he will listen anyway.
He'll be seen in a gulag and then never seen again
Anyone hoping this means they stop funding scammers to trick Americans into voting against their best interests, too bad, that's one of their best revenue streams.
Yeeaaaahhh, no, that won't stop unless indeed a civil war breaks out in Russia.
I mean those are probably better ways to incite a civil war than by provoking protestors.
But what do I know
I hate the idea, because short term everybody loses, lose loved ones, lose their own lives, but one does wonder if a civil war would finally be able to break Russia into smaller normal independent democratic states that can take care of themselves
FAFO
I kinda doubt that the CCP will allow Russia to collapse before the USA. Like a world power balancing act.
I think China would buy Russian territory at rock bottom prices, or simply seize it. It would be far easier way to achieve glory and wealth than trying to take Taiwan.
Probably, but those aren't the reasons they want Taiwan which is more of an ideological goal.
The answer: "Both".
The problem with Taiwan for China is that it is a risky bet. Undoubtedly it would be proof of having the Mandate of Heaven if successfully taken, but also evidence of not being worthy if it results in failure. Biting off haunches of a weakened Russia is a much less risky proposition, with an good payoff.
Just said that in front of world+dog? 🫨 Even saying that on air would be shocking, but in an official government journal?! Meanwhile, in America, no one in government would have the balls to say such a thing and would be immediately removed if they did so.
Makes sense if the goal is to replicate 1917 to bring Bolsheviks to power... oh wait...
Seems familiar
FTFY
Maybe you can show me how and lead by example?
Just stop trying to make everything be about the US, for god's sake.