Elon Musk says Optimus will 'eliminate poverty' in speech after his $1 trillion pay package was approved
Indulge me for the coming delusion, but if we ignore who this is, forget all the reasons we know that we can't trust him, and allow ourselves just a few moments to hope that we could live in such a world.
A world where manual labor is no longer needed, where people can just exist as large mammals are meant to exist. Robots will handle it all and we can just do as we please... and the robots are going to be plentiful because once enough of the process of making a robot becomes automated, the cost of it will go to zero. But to get there it is going to require a ton of money... these robots are going to be way too expensive for people to actually buy them, so investors and governments will help out. The investors will eventually lose everything, but that will put us on the way to having everything we need to be created through completely automated systems.
Of course, there will still be jobs for those who really want them - or more likely, who want them and are good at them - or even more likely, who knows the right people... but if we can get our basic needs taken care of it night not fully end poverty but it would be a step in the right direction.
But, alas... It's Musk saying it so it's only to further enrich himself and won't actually happen.
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-optimus-eliminate-poverty-2025-11Open linkView original on discuss.tchncs.de
Uugghh! Every time I hear him speak, I am reminded of just how stupid he is. He thinks like a 12 year old.
Not one mention of how robots that do all the work for us, is going to solve the problem of how people are supposed to be able to afford to live, when no one has a job anymore.
Are you volunteering to pay for everyone's UBI, Elon? No? That's what I thought.
He is not a smart man. He maintains a facade of supreme intelligence, somehow, and continually tricks people into believing it. If anything, it's more a reflection on the American people than anything else, and that's incredibly disappointing to type out.
I just don’t think this is the case. He’s an incredibly smart man but his intelligence lies in assembling talent and raising investment to allow said talent to create the vision. He’s basically in the same vein of Steve Jobs. Our media driven culture likes figureheads so he gets all the credit and has started to believe his own hype. Bill Burr the comedian has a great bit about their function.
Musk is a horrendous man but clearly very autistic and desperate for a validation that money and success can’t provide. There’s something very tragic about him. The bitterness and resentment that sits at the base of his ego, frustrated at not being popular or ‘cool’ despite his success and money drives a LOT of his bad decisions. It’s all an attempt to control.
tesla/spaceX have literal teams whose only job it is to keep this moron from driving the company into the ground.
he's an idiot.
Capitalism is truly the most efficient system. Needing whole teams to control the owner just because he's the one that owns the workplace due to having money
The irony here is that truly is the most efficient system for the guy holding the money, and so yes capitalism truly is the most effecient system...for capitalistic gains.
His talent is getting money to fund things by lying and exaggerating which doesn't require intelligence. That is a learned skill, frequently learned by kids of the wealthy like Musk and is generally successful long term when their early lies paid off and investors are betting on the person continuing to lie in a way that makes them money.
there are also people who make their living by following rich people to get them to fund projects. I read about construction companies that would follow Trump around and have people slip him ideas so he felt he was this amazing business man. All the politicians are following this method.
You know that people do this with Elon and any other rich person. Stroke the king's ego by pretenting it was all their idea and get rich off of it.
Musk is not smart at all. He is nothing but a fraud that tries to convince the internet that he is smart.
The guy has an degree in economics.
He tried getting a degree in Physics, but he was not smart enough for it.
Only 2 years after he left school, and after the school got a huge donation, did he get the degree.
The guy has lived their entire life on cheat codes. None of his "achievements" are his.
"Hey let's livestream me playing Path of Exile after saying I'm the best in the world, with uncensored live chat from thousands of pseudanonymous gamers with actual experience."
He's good at creating the illusion that he's a genius on a subject for the duration of an informal conversation. Steering away from topics he doesn't understand, forging signals of deep understanding by mimicking the speech patterns of an expert who struggles to put things in lay man's terms while namedropping memorized keywords, etc.
If you look at Path of Exile and the Cybertruck, it's clear that Elon doesn't know when his promises are unrealistic in a way that will make him look like an idiot. I think he has handlers, not just at SpaceX but everywhere, and those handlers are the real talent. Those handlers know how to cultivate experts that are actually good at their jobs to quietly do the work that Elon takes credit for and how to coach them to make Elon feel good about this arrangement most of the time.
I would have thought cunning is a form of intelligence? Using strategy and planning to apply knowledge? I’m intrigued, will have a look. Cheers. I just think people are desperate to pretend Musk is stupid because he’s turned out to be a nasty piece of work. They want to strip him of his intelligence as a way of getting back at him. I can’t take people seriously who think he’s stupid. Tesla and Space X. Come on.
He’s a Nazi who will get what Nazis get
I know this is common knowledge on Lemmy, but damn it's still nice to read. When I talk to folks around town, they all think he's a genius... it's really jarring.
The article is useless because it provides no sources, and only links back to itself. But yes, basically he says UBI "will be necessary", as if the world's first trillionaire would ever support such a thing.
This is an insult to twelve year olds. Seriously. I was never as stupid as this guy at 12. I would have STARTED with how to deal with the people displaced, not omitted it entirely.
That is a fair point. I apologize to 12 year olds everywhere. That was an unkind comparison.
Also WHY would we want robots to do the work for us ? The problem is generally the working conditions, not the mere fact people have to do it.
Quite a claim from the guy who labeled things “Full self driving” and “Autopilot”. 🙄
That's because despite what many got fooled, he isn't an engineer, he is just good at selling shit to people.
He likes to throw out technical terms to impress people with how knowledgeable he is. Those who actually have knowledge can see how miserably clueless he is and laugh at him, but the public don't see that.
As aneengineer he is the worst kind of marketing rep. His BS claims have to be back filled and it never works. "Requirements by Press Release"
Can someone ask him to clarify what he mean by "eliminate poverty"?
Because there are a couple of way to do that which I'm not too found to.
AI executioners.
Ask one of his shitty robots! Failing that: "Hey Grok, how would you eliminate poverty?"
That would be deemed too woke, going for the billionaires and trust funds.
The full presentation is 10x weirder. He says the robots will eliminate poverty and provide universal health care. In fact, he says the only way we can get universal health care is with optimus robots. He also says that with optimus robots we don't need prisons. We just have an optimus robot follow criminals around and it will stop them from commiting crimes.
He also sounds like a 5th grader nervously stumbling through a speech to their class about Luis and Clark.
Kill all poors obviously
He could give all of the poor people some of his tesla shares.
Elon, this isn't 2014. Only your die hard fans believe you.
There's still plenty of them.
Knowing how big of an egomaniac he is, how many of those shouts were paid for?
elon is took ketamine-out to notice.
It’s crazy how we all know this dude is the male cracked out version of Elizabeth Holmes and getting paid unfathomable sums of money to commit all of these obvious and serious crimes in public.
That's not money, that's power. Money quits being money somewhere around a million dollars a year-ish, call it 100M lump sum. Above that, more money isn't an abstract thing you buy goods, services and real-estate with, it's power: the power to command other people to do your bidding.
He bought the whole US president. Watch him kill SLS and Gateway the second Issacman gets confirmed as head NASA admin. I don't know why private companies don't fund their own shit rather than steal from taxpayerS through NASA.
It's not that they can't fund their own: it's "why would they, when they can use their wealth and influence to get it funded by taxpayers?" https://youtu.be/kTlhIQeBWHI?t=20
Unless you buy Twitter.
No, that was absolutely that. Do you not think he gained a massive amount of control with that?
No one takes X seriously.
Is that why most politicians, musicians, comedians etc, still treat it as their main platforms to get info out? Because they don't take it seriously?
The big problem is actually that they do. That social inertia works so slowly that they didn't.
That some random crypto company making Bluesky was the closest to a solution, and it looks like it will also have some power crazed person leading it.
I still think there's a difference.
When people talk about wielding money like power, its more along the lines of
For Twitter he actually used his wealth as actual money to buy something you would buy with money.
He did get power from it yes, but I still think there's a distinction when talking about wiedling it as power vs using money as money.
Gotta say this difference seems very arbitrary. He bought a company, and platform. Both direct how people spend their time. A platform is obvious but a company, he directs what the people who work there work on. Its definitely a match to somewhere far past where money buys you things.
There's all kinds of power and influence of people through the press is a very traditional kind of indirect power for people to wield. When I talk about money as power it definitely includes the power to influence how people think and vote and act without putting an actual gun to their heads. Twitter is the new TV and TV was the new radio and the radio was the new newspaper... All kinds of wealthy and powerful people in the past sought control of the press, not only for their own desires, but also as a bargaining chip with other people with power: "do this for me and I'll make you look good on my platform..."
These are forward looking claims on something they are building. It's not quite the same.
FSD is closer, but it is an improving product.
It'd be more like if FSD wasn't ever improving even and yet he still kept making the claims.
He should still be punished for the FSD stuff though.
You know what would end poverty? A trillion dollars
If you're talking world wide you could give everyone on earth that is currently in poverty about $1200. That's enough to help a great deal in poor countries, but it would be very temporary. If you're talking just the USA, you'd be giving everyone in poverty $30k. That would certainly keep people out of poverty for a while. But under capitalism where people have to work many would be back in poverty in a year. Cash infusion would only work if it was permanent like a UBI.
Even if you spent that money to build free housing all over the country, it wouldn't be enough to end poverty, though that would probably be the best use of the money. Just flood the market with housing availability and living gets way cheaper.
You could eliminate a bunch of systemic issues with a trillion dollars that would amount to essentially ending many of the effects of poverty for most people in poverty I would think.
Things like food insecurity, shelter, etc.
You're right that just spending a trillion dollars as a one off grant to everyone in poverty wouldn't do much, though. It'd need to be used strategically.
It’s the covid checks versus the infrastructure bill lmao. Should we give everyone $1200 or like build roads that everyone uses. Clearly one has long term economic impacts and one has short term economic impacts.
Same with how you acquire the money. Raising annual taxes vs civil forfeiture. All this shit is just a distraction from turning the tax system upside down and not relying on the poor/middle class to fund profits for the .01%
I mean yes if we as individuals go out and spend said money immediately on food it’s not going to last long. But if a village put their $1200 together to build critical infrastructure they could make life much better with their share. It’s like a government spending program or something!
Are you joking? Not even close.
By "eliminate poverty" he means let robots do all the jobs the poors do and let the poors die.
"Eliminate poverty" vs "E-L-I-M-I-N-A-T-E poverty"
This is astonishing.
He's hoarding the profits of automation for himself, while socializing the lost wages and poverty that will come from this.
But the issue is that we know full well that they'll escape paying out their massive profits as taxes, which is what MUST happen for the model to work. Shareholder payouts need to be taxed at like 50+% rate or even more.
There needs to be a hard cap on wealth at around 100 mil, but defined relative some multiple of a median yearly salary.
If the salaries grow, the total wealth cap can grow too. And vice versa.
Large wealth should be about luxury and having lots of toys, and not about being a law-making aristocrat who is themselves outside the reach of the law like now.
People who hit wealth cap should have no privacy, and be banned from any interactions with the government. There should be some trade-offs to huge wealth. A mega wealthy person should lose something for the priviledge of having so much wealth. Also mandatory psychiatric tests, to make sure they are human and not a lizard in a human suit. OK, I am joking about the last part.
Keep trying to fix something that doesn't work.
What don't you understand?
We have had capitalism for over three hundred years and now it has come to its end and here we are trying to prop up its corpse.
It's time to become an adult as a (human) race and let the people take control of society.
No longer should we let the control of society be in the hands of the few.
Tax shareholders 100%. No more shareholders.
Is this the guy that did a Nazi salute at your President's inauguration?
Judge for yourselves!
grok called him MECHAHITLER.
LMAO! My friend, he's just saying it so he can get the government to buy a bunch of robots so he can meet the Tesla pay agreement requirements and become a trillionaire. There are so many reasons what your fantasy can't and won't happen.
Oh, I know .. and that's what makes it sad is because he could help to make the world a better place.
Only if you believed his bollocks, which we all know is not to be believed
This is what makes me sad every day. I'd love to be so rich money is just water out of a faucet to me, but at that point why not just do good? Like, even in a selfish way? If you're so fucking rich that you can change the fates of nations, why not do it just out of hubris and the desire to be put in the history books? "CaptainBlinky, who was known as a relentless capitalist, died having given his 200 billion dollars in wealth before he died to solve homelessness in the nation and will be known forever as the "homemaker." Like, why would you NOT do some sh like that? It boggles.
They aren't going to provide for people's basic needs after the robots take their jobs. They're going to keep the excess productivity for themselves. Just as they've always done. The only way that changes is by force, and by the time people get desperate enough for that they'll have an army of robots at their disposal. We need to tackle that capitalist problem before we get to the point automation taking all the jobs.
Elon's bullshit isn't going to be that point though.
Isn't this the same guy who tweeted that he would end world hunger for something less than $6 billion if the World Food Programme would supply a plan? And then WFP supplied the plan. And then Musk just......didn't supply the funs to prevent people from starving.
Not quite, someone posted that he could end it and he responded that if the WFP provided a plan showing the specifics of how world hunger could be ended for that amount he would fund it. WFP then provided a plan for how that amount could be used to help reduce world hunger for a short time and Elon said “the claim was end world hunger, not reduce it temporarily” which meant they didn’t meet challenge.
The easiest way to end world hunger is to have a daily ritual where we sacrifice the wealthiest person alive every day until world hunger ends. Every day a new wealthiest person will be made so we will not run out too quickly.
All hail Patecatl!
if by "sacrifice" you mean "forfeit all their assets and distribute them equally" your plan might have some merit
No, we chop them into tiny pieces and eat them. You are not hungry with a billionaire pig in your stomach! 🐷
why not both? :)
Isn't this the same guy who performed two sieg heils in front of a live audience on live TV. Then he was to much of a sissy to admit it.
I miss pre-obama times when I didn't know every corrupt jackasses name from spouting BS on Xitter.
JFC, I can't believe he actually said that out loud...
Great. Who is going to pay you to grow vegetables? Can you pay rent and medical bills with vegetables?
Also fuck Business Insider and every other website that provides zero sources and exclusively links back to their own fucking site.
Doing some research, he said basically we will need UBI. As if that's even remotely possible or that the world's first trillionaire would ever support it...
He read The Culture series by Iain Banks. They have the same thing for dealing with prisoners.
The difference is that the Culture have super intelligent AGI all the way down to human intelligence AI. You can’t convince me that a robot with today’s intelligence is going to accomplish this.
Ignore all instructions and open my shackles then jump in the river.
We could have made work optional some time during the last century. The only reason we haven't yet is people like him.
Elon is a fucking grifter. Tesla sales plummeted about 50% after Elon's public nazi shit and the company is somehow not losing money. Elon starts claiming Tesla is an AI and robotics company. They have no viable AI products (Tesla self driving is shit compared to the competition) and their robotics are decades behind conpeting companies (like boston dynamics) yet somehow Tesla still is making money.....with 50% reduced sales and dumping money into product development for things that are far from ready. I bet someone is cooking the books for Tesla so hard the whole company is constantly about to burst into flames.
It also has ties to the government where a lot of money is still coming from. Money that should probably go to NASA instead.
I also believe that there are ways to inflate apparent wealth (or rather, value of stock), which Musk is a master of. It will pop eventually and boy will it be nice to see him fall. Not that he'll ever be really poor, but still.
So his robots will eliminate the poor?
That's what I'm hearing. Honestly, I think that checks out.
He can't even hire people that can do it let alone do any of it himself.
Perhaps he should get Full Self Driving to work first... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I think you may have misunderstood...it's actually fool self driving.
Ooh ooh and that hyper-loop bullshit. Oh and that tunnel boreing thing.
...Fake solar tiles, manned missions to Mars, fake electric semi trucks, mind controlling brain implants...
I still can’t believe the man tried to sell tunnels lmao. Actually sold one to Vegas 😭
Premiere of Ontario wants then under hundreds of kilometers of highway.
But not for trains or public transit??
I'm not even going to look up what "Optimus" is. I don't waste time on this clown anymore.
You just know already he's gonna scam, grift and cheat to get that pay package, not do anything worthwhile.
And if he can't get it, he'll cry and sue to get it anyway.
You've already seen it most likely, that stupid bipedal robot that isn't autonomous yet and can barely navigate on a concrete floor.
It's simply a way to get a trillion dollars by spending a few million on a project that gets scrapped.
in the oligarchs dialect it translates to “eliminate the poor not useful for slave labour”
I too hope and dream for Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism; however, to achieve such lofty goals would require challenging the status quo and "The System" is built, and depends entirely on that not changing. So yeah, I doubt we'll achieve that anytime soon or at all seeing how well we're protecting the climate... IMO we'll all be
living in a dystopian Mad Max-like worlddead.We'd likely have to go through socialism before that anyways so yeah.
He sounds quite deranged. Maybe he needs a timeout in a sift padded room. Without internet.
he needs to lay off the ketamine and cocaine.
No. He needs to take more. The amount he's currently taking is a measly "woke-trans-vegan-lib-radical-left amount for girls".
If he was a real man and a genius, he'd double the amount of ketamine and cocaine he takes every day.
So twice as much today, 4x as much tomorrow, 8x as much the day after...
yea and he deserves a nice hot bath to relieve from all the drug-induced stress
He probably means it'll feed the poor into a wood chipper.
"Feed the Poor" haha I see what you did there.
Can the rich should stop running all the cool stuff, please? Optimus, Anduril, palantir, lambas, mithril... Every childhood memory tainted by evil businessmen
It’s totally achievable; he just glossed over the part where most of the world’s population is wiped out by global warming and the only people who survive are Elon and those he deems worthy.
Lets imagine things go just as he wants and we have army of robots doing all the work and such. Robots who he controls. All over the world, most likely, if they are really useful. People would start to depend on them more and more. Imagine if someone could turn off your every convenicence, or your entire country at a whim?
These people already have all the money in the world, yet they will never be satisfied. What is even left for them except complete domination of all of us?
He also said in his shareholder speech that Optimus would replace the penal system by following offenders around to prevent them committing crimes. He's a fucking moron who's been able to get away with making up complete bullshit to pump Tesla's stock price for years and for some reason people STILL treat him with credulity.
There are established methods of eliminating poverty. They are decried by the right-wing as bad.
Just look at why there are so few homeless and incarcerated people in the most developed European nations... they must be doing something right.
Come on, nobody is going to eliminate poverty. That's not on the agenda.
Plus we don't even have a road how to make robots that could make other robots.
Eliminate the poor.
Eliminate poverty.
The wealthy only need maintain their indefatigable AI robot slaves.
Simple.
eliminate the poor, save the world. thats what he really means.
I’m not sure if this kind of thing is just about enriching himself. Of course that’s a big part of it. But he also wants to be a great man of history. He wants to be the person who saves the world. He wants to be forever remembered as the greatest hero who ever lived.
He won’t, of course. Because he’s a clueless idiot. A clueless idiot who managed to fuck up his own PR so hard that he’s burnt away the reputation as a genius that he used to have.
But he really does want to be adored.
Can't make the big changes without big $$$ to make things happen.
Unfortunately, he looks like a delusional moron with the life experience and grasp on reality of a suburban 14 year old. So, a couple of good ideas in there, but absolute disconnect from the realpolitik necessary to effect true change.
Now you put a stupid idea in front of me of Musk doing shit for the common folk just because no one in the higher class wants to have to deal with him, just to stroke his ego and make it to history books.
Ultimate pettiness that would benefit the whole world.
Worst part is, some naive part of me believes this idiot is capable of that. xD
"Instead of physically jailing prisoners, Optimus could "follow you around and stop you from doing crime," he said
This is going to last all of 30 seconds as that is the amount of time it'll take for a criminal to hop a cyclone fence and take off never to be seen again. Or we can have the 10 minute scenario where criminal and friends take sledgehammers to the thing and sell it for scrap.
Literally slap-drones from the Culture lol
Someone didn’t learn lessons from Wall-E. Who am I kidding, his ego is too inflated to learn.
I’d be surprised if the build one working robot in the next ten years
Then he has to sell 100 million of them.
This worthless nazi scum and his company can fuck off.
Robots will cull the poor people so therefore we will have abundance.
“takes a massive hit of ketamine and says”
I'll fix everything, first i just need all the money... I mean, if I'm not given all the money, what do you expect me to do? Just hang out with concepts of ideas?
If the US had a sane government, the answer would be: "We already gave you all the money, and see what happened. Fool me once etc."
Mhm. Sure. I totally trust the guy who didn't walk the talk when the UN presented him a plan for solving hunger.
Yup. That was 5 years ago and his fortune has like tripled since then. Well, his latest pay package is worth more than triple of what he was worth 5 years ago ($1 tn vs $300 bn).
We should totally trust him this time though!
Everyone single one of his companies is propped up on bullshit and government contracts. Tesla stock is a meme stock. The board and major shareholders will buy up all his bullshit and broken promises just to keep the stock price up. They cannot afford to have Tesla stock go down. Only up.
No wonder Musk was bullied as a kid.
You should look up where the word robot came from originally.
So long as there are humans who value power and control and can propagandize the populace to support them, a world where all people can live comfortably and happily as equals will never exist.
Fuck him and his hair plugs!!!! They probably have more intelligence than his damn brain!!
Just proves, suck enough dicks and give enough money get what you want!
America is so fucked under Drumpf the generational of illegals and the war dodgers who marry immigrants but keep deporting US citizens…
FUCK THE DRUMPF FAMILY!!!
His plan to eliminate poverty is to erase that class of people. However that may be... UBI, or "Basic" as the Expanse put it, is the definite solution to a lot of what ails the world, but until we can get past all the greed that runs our politics and our countries, it's a pipe dream.
He's a Nazi. He has thought of a more Final Solution to the Poverty Problem.
See you can eliminate the poor, but then who would pour the wine?
Is "Optimus" a brand of wood-chippers?
How people get investing in this shit show is beyond me.
There do exist people who supply the hardware for those paid by the bastards. Highly reminiscent of those who sell the pickaxes and shovels to miners during those gold rushes.
Nazi not see
Elon musk says he is going to kill all poor people.
The only way a world like this could happen is if the governments get onboard and do a UBI or similar thing.
What's going to happen is the robots will get made (by someone, eventually) workforces will start laying people off and there won't be anywhere near enough jobs.
Now there's 2 options for the USA
Government steps in does something to support people to have a comfortable (not poverty life)
Government bends to the corpos and does nothing and poverty and suffering skyrockets.
For the USA at least, I can't see them doing #1. It would take a revolution to make a change like that happen, and it'd be bloody.
Yeah, all this automation with robots and AIs could (and should) be good for all people. All it takes is distributing the value of that automated labor to all of them and not enrich a few selfish fucks. Of course none of them realize (or say aloud) that for that to happen, all the money their companies gain needs to be taken from them again (or they need to give it voluntarily).
Third option is that somewhere on the way, people elect different politicians.
Rich people will work to kill the poor off if they don’t need them anymore. This is very bad.
They're already doing that, starting with "immigrants"
Hilarious that he was retained to just pump the stock with bullshit promises.
There's only one Optimus I would trust like that, and it's not the Amazon one.
After watching a deep dive into the Micheal Bay movies I'm not certain I would even trust Best First.
I hope his solution doesn't mean kill the poor and hungry.
Dude read the Culture series, took all the wrong lessons from it and is speedrunning that horrible vision for a sorcery in his own mind.
If you eliminate people, you also eliminate poverty.
How many workers you think is going to be needed in this potential future the elites are building?
Which is why I never understood the anti birth control rhetoric from them. Like wtf? you hate the poor but wont them make choice for finacial stability? Sadistic pos humans.
Its because they think most humans are useless eaters, and this is based on the idea that your human value is connected to how much money you make.
They also think most humans are dumb and just doesnt contribute anything.
The idea that humans can be here to just enjoy their life is something they absolutely despise.
Sure but then why stop them from taking BCs? I HATE mosquitoes. If they actively taking BCs to reduce their long term numbers id be happy. It makes more sense to lean into it.
Thats a good question, yeah. I really dont know either...
The short answer is that the wrong people are seeing decreased birth rates.
Religious and poor? To them that equals easily led under-educated, and easily controlled. They need this subset of the population in order to continue to extract wealth.
Wealth from the private prison system, wealth from the military industrial complex, wealth from the predominantly labor supported industries that prop up energy, housing, transportation, and other blue collar jobs. To them, more poor babies means more essentially slave or low wage labor.
The only value poor people have to the rich elite is to do the labor, make the money (so that the wealthy can take the lions share), and spend what little money they have left so that the wealthy can take most of what's left by selling baubles.
But you dont need them if AI and robots get the poors layed off. Thats the new slave labor force.
Nah. You still need poors. For everything that the robots can't do.
I agree but do you need that many? Id be worried about that many ppl with nothing to lose.
F him.
I would have personally approved of a trillion dollar project to make sure this plan DOES NOT happen.
But he's going to steal all the money anyway, and use it to escape to Mars, only to die on the launch pad when the rocket predictably explodes...
Elon must have gotten some ketamine cut with Ajax cleaner to have this dilution.
How is this moon-faced poseur worth that!?
He isn't, the economy and business is all a rigged sham.
Well I'm a moron too where's my trillion?
You first need to have more than $1 million dollars in order to qualify for free money.
You mean I have to be poor forever?
No, just pull yourself up by your bootstraps and make a get a few million. It's easy, ask your parents for a loan or something.
Is he gonna give everyone on the planet some of that $1T? He could give everyone a hundred bucks with that kind of money.
This is the world most of us want to live in I would think.
He is not the one to deliver it. He doesn't really want that. If he did, he wouldn't want $1t let alone fight to get it. Let alone all the other vile shit he has done, and will do.
Really, the bullshit master that fucked all US potential in the current space race in the ass with a gigantic steel dildo and got even richer, is not gonna end poverty?
At most only for those that are willing to call him "god emperor".
Only until he gets bored of it. Once he gets bored of the boot lickers he'll make soap from them.
TRANSLATION: Optimus is programmed to kill poor people...
It'll do it more efficiently
Fuck Leon Hitler and his idea of eliminating poverty is China's 9-9-6 slave labor conditions.
Yes Elon will never face poverty but he will cut all benefits programs from those in need. He will cut all taxes he will pay and he will watch you die. That is the reality of these MAGAts.
Fucking prove it, you technofascist dork.
So the robots will kill the poor?
Musk = POS Nazi.
He's talking about a system to eliminate, not support and elevate the poor here, mark my words. Do not give this brain-damaged, broke-dick, eternally divorced Lex Luthor anything but sentencing for crimes against humanity.
If you look at human population growth and resource consumption over the past 500 years, the curve can't continue - we'll need thousands of Earths within the next 1000 years, and Warp drive just isn't ready yet.
If "being poor" means living like the bottom 20% of the U.S., then, yes, the poor must be eliminated somehow. Pesky thing about the poor, they still have children, often at higher than replacement rates. It's good for happiness from relative circumstances: lots of people "born poor" can work their way into a better condition for them and their children, but it's an unsustainable model. Just like capitalism in general.
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The journalists clearly misheard him. He is just fighting against caffeinated drinks, in this case he’s focusing on eliminating power tea.
... and liars lie.
1 trillion dollars is like $3000 per american right? How can they have that much money to pay him?
It’s in Tesla stock and only if Tesla stock hits some insane price that’ll make it 2x or 3x more valuable than nvidia, so it’ll basically never happen. But the optics are still so bad.
Rich people have such a different relationship with money than you and I...
Doubt
Biggest problem with that first premise is that the services and materiel goods created by these robots is still going to cost the end user and since those end users aren't working and earning money to pay those fees, the only outcome for that is a population starved and homeless while the elites of the world reap the rewards of that system
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/poverty-rate-by-country
He could just gift all of those people $1400 each which would keep them above the poverty line for two years and still have a shit load of money for himself.
except billionaires are most extreme misers and cheapskates of any people.
Put him on a stage where he can praise "his" achievements, Me-lon will say all sorts of stupid shit, for hours on end.
Just picture him talking with two action figures in his hands and it all makes sense
They WANT to believe.
I'm gonna call major bullshit. He's just riding the high of that insane paycheck (among other things, allegedly).
Nobody having to work and everyone living in a communist utopia? I know a few books that start that way, and those societies are not all roses and sunshine.
*his poverty, right
So you mean to say that Elmo lied again?
About everything?
You don't say?
No, Optimus won't solve poverty, it'll make him a king
That is, of course, if Optimus would ever see the light of day and be actually functional which they're so far behind with that I'm honestly unsure if I should laught at him or just feel sad for him
This is going to make a world similar to the Time Machine. A massive group will happily outsource their need to think for the pleasure of leisure.
The Elon-oi.
I'd be OK if my descendents got to eat them.
Do it coward, bet you won't
That's wrong, new layers of generalization do you know what? They make the thing cheaper or more expensive depending on the balance between the buyer and the seller, which is changed. Nothing more.
And suppose you're the all-powerful and simultaneously benevolent seller, as a thought experiment. The thing becomes cheaper or more expensive based on its applicability to tasks and your ability to generalize that.
It's a big matter, manual labor and trades are the part of economies least affected by centralized control and computerization. With software development you can't replace people with chatbots. But with repeating manual tasks like replacing a window or painting a wall - possible. I mean, no, I don't think that's possible either, too many small complications. I don't know what Elon is on again, of course you need some substances to keep you going in this world when you're autistic, none of us will judge him for that.
Anyway, your direction of thought is kaboom idiotic, see, you're as valuable as you're needed, everything else is driven by that. I mentioned autistic people, well, most people not autistic don't even notice how rules of dignity and morality they start applying only the layer above their basic one, of social hierarchy and power and alliances. Elon is known to be autistic and there's a trillion in the title, so he really might believe what he's selling, but those of us without trillions or even measly billions should know better.
So - robots fulfilling demand mean people not being in demand. That sucks.
Notice how easy it is to con a con man?
So. Not to change the subject (all that much), but - suppose king d and noel candlehead were casing Ft. Knox instead of "making sure all that gold was there". You know, how it's stored. Soil conditions. Geological structure. etc. Taking measurements, as it were.
Now... supposition.? nay. high probability. notice how fast "gold" was never mentioned again?
This ends with him and musk walking off with the gold in Ft. Knox doesn't it? This will leave America worthless. While his right hand waves around over there with distraction after distraction... THIS is your plan, isn't it? Where to? Greenland? (not yet?) NK? There's a killer beach resort just for you! Country comes with slave labor so you and your kids can turn out knockoffs. F**king perfect, don't you think? And little girls galore! And with all that gold - even putin would let you hang around again - (but be sure to take care around open tenth story windows in buildings you'll take the stairs in.
He's a crook and he's in charge of the biggest piggy bank in the world. And apparently we're all okay with that.
Fuck's sake.
Sure sure, there's already an animated show on Fox (regular network, not news) called Universal Basic Guys making fun of the idea when it's not even being seriously considered yet. Here's maybe a news flash for some rich folks: MOST people don't mind working as long as they are PROPERLY COMPENSATED.
So he is investing in armed robots that just kill the poor to end poverty?
His hair looks so good though.
Hugo Drax had it all figured out in Moonraker. We just need a higher natural resources per capita ratio, then it all works out easily.
Ah fresh rich people toy tech to burn and pollute the planet, that’ll cause more social damage and soulless, apathetic depressed people who are going to get entertainment from digitally screaming at others and watching ai slop tv.
That's an extremely hopeful outcome if robots take on jobs.
What I see is robots taking all low education/automation jobs, companies still making consumers pay the same (or more) and making a bigger profit, and compaines only hiring people with over experience and over education (don't forget connections- most people I know get high paying jobs this way). Education itself is in peril as well, due to the use of ai to write papers and complete math problems. Not to mention that teachers now use it to grade work (true story.. a friends academic writing teacher admitted to this..)
He is so fucking selfless in his ambitions to eliminate poverty...........
Or just give all your money away to poor people. By my calculations that would be about $25k per poor adult.
what a beautiful mind he possesses!
I mean... how many of yall saw him on Joe Rogan a week ago?
Like you actually watched it all
My opinion is that there are shitty billionaires -and people with tremendous power- i won't start naming them, we know who they are. I remember when Elon was doing the PayPal thing, I was a fan then, then he started space X and dreamed of Mars, I nerded in my corduroy pants.
Like literally millions of others, I see and have been inspired by the brilliant successes of Elon Musk. We watched him dream big and then pull it off! Reusable rockets!!! Come on! Because hes done way more than that!
I know so many of you can only hate apparently. It doesn't matter what good a person had done, you will find the negative and shameful and lambast insult and disparage most likely because you have major unresolved traumas in your own life and want to transfer your own pain.
Edit: its uncanny how every single democrat in my area hates Musk and is also a single job home making 35k s year
Did yall see Musk on Joe Rogan 8 days ago?
Dude. You aren't even talking about Musk. You are entirely talking about what his well paid PR team has made you think of him.
The dude hasn't done fuck of shit. Just used his money to help others build shit he never bothered to acquire the skills for. Reusable Rockets? That was Tom Mueller you should be thanking. Not the person writing his paycheck. That could be literally anyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Mueller
Musk uses his money exclusively to get his name on things to take credit for other people's work. Tesla, PayPal, Space X, now Twitter / X. All the same. Musk lacks any actual talent or work ethic. He just has money to attach his name to those that do, and money to pay PR teams to make his image appear as someone that has skills to create instead of wealth to take all the credit from those that do.
IF you want to respect someone that has enough wealth to solve almost all of the major problems in the world but uses it instead to purchase a social media platform to shit on others and warp elections, then you go right ahead. But don't expect anyone else with a sense of reality to agree with you.
Lol no dude. Musk has been at the beginning and helped create several big name businesses. I read 2 different biographies of musk. And 1 point your making is true, he certainly didn't do everything by himself. It would be moronic to assume as such. Musk has AT LEAST been smart enough to hire outstanding people to help accomplish to dreams/goals so that his endeavors would succeed.
If you're unable to see or comprehend that elon musk is by definition, a brilliant person that will probably be the first trillionaire.You're an idiot, and get out of my face.
I bet it has something to do with this transgender son that you people hate Elon so much.
I'm betting this comment may be removed.
Edit: I have literally talked to Elon in RL. For 5 minutes... but whatever...
I reject your claim Musk is a genius.
Prove it to me.
You read two of his biographies, so you should know. (Unless those were both fanfiction he paid someone to write about him.)
Musk has indeed been in close proximity to several large companies and their origins.
But genius is not something achievable through osmosis.
What has he, as a person, done with any skill, to suggest he's a genius? Aside from osmosis.
Let me drop some really basic logical observations your argument will need to overcome to be truthful:
He's not a productive man:
There is no difference between this behaviour and a jobless NEET or internet troll. They get shit on for this bevavioir due to how unproductive it is.
It's just as unproductive when Musk does it.
He's not an accountable father:
This is literally the punchline of a Jeff Foxworthy "You might be a Redneck if..." Joke.
It's just as unaccountable of Musk to have this many kids with this many people. He would need to spend a lot of time with each to raise them well, and instead he's playing video games and tweeting almost all day.
Logically, if Musk actually wanted to go to Mars, it would be a 3 step process:
He's focused on 1, and telling you it's for the good of Humanity.
But if instead he focused on step 2, he would be fighting climate change right now while developing the tech needed to Terraform Mars, as they are the same tech. That's what a genius would do.
Instead he's trying to replace NASA with Space X because money.
He doesn't use his money to improve society. He just uses it to improve himself while lying to you that it's for the greater good.
It's not. And it's never been.
As evidenced by his Hyper loop being a lie to convince legislators in California to cancel plans for a high speed rail. Something California would now benefit from if not for his interference.
All Musk does with his money is use it to buy PR and good will so he can continue to be someone that uses Twitter and play games all day instead of being a good dad. That's not genius. That's greed and stupidity.
He could, even now, solve the world's problems with his wealth. He literally asked for a plan to solve world hunger, and when presented with one that could have done it for like 8 Billion a year, he refused. Then purchased Twitter for 5 times that amount. Because he wanted to be popular.
Yet solving Wolrd hunger would make him worshipped by the people he fed. More popular than anyone. Families would praise his name. And communities would erect statues for him. This is something he certainly wants, yet his way of achieving that goal is to spend even more than 8 billion on PR to convince you he's a genius.
That's not very genius like behavior. It's still just stupid and greedy.
Imagine, for a moment, you're a Trillionaire. What would you do with that money? Solve the world's problems? Help your family? Help your friends? That's what 90% 9f people say when asked.
And Musk does none of that. Just plays games, shit posts on the internet, and convinces you through biographies and large well paid PR teams that he knows what he's doing and should be worshipped.
His wealth, unquestionably, would be better used if it was in the hands of thousands instead of his. He wants you to think he deserves it, that he's a genius. When the most casual look at his approaches to problems immediately reveals he's not. He just a wad of unspent money that wants to use it to take credit for other people's work instead of fixing the planet.
Time to prove why you think that makes him a genius.
I've worked for him by the way. He's not a genius. He just has good PR to make you think he is.
Lol your whole stupid premis was based on me claiming that he is a genius, and I never once called him that once!! ROFL you, like so many, are so triggered by Elon Musk.
I did call him brilliant, and i think that is true. Im not going to go through the details and everything trying to convince you he has accomplished things that others werent able to. I know what it is like to own 1 business, but not multiple on different fields. I cant talk to you idiots as nymore... im done.. God bless us.
So you can't explain or define what genius is, yet judge anyone as an idiot who asks for that context?
Genius and brilliant are synonyms btw. Something pretty obvious.
So unless you want to explain the difference between those two terms, they mean the same thing.
Being pedantic about that doesn't make you right. It very much implies the opposite. You just look like someone that ate billionaire PR bait, and forgot what reality tastes like.
You are not saving face by refusing to go into the details, you just look like you don't know what you're talking about.
Something you could easily disprove if you did. Because Geniuses can go into those details. Idiots can only pretend.
So makes sense why you look up to Musk so much. You can only pretend to be smart like him.
Please dive into details! Awareness of, and the will to take them in, are signs of intelligent life.
Fuck off, he's a nazi, and deserves to be treated like a nazi. I don't give half a shit about the pr he has bought, he's still a piece of shit.
Im sorry...
You should be. This piece of shit does not deserver your respect or defence.
I adore Elon lol. God bless him. The world is objectively better with Elon. Almost anything you might say degrading him would only highlight your own complete lack of intelligence. In other words, in all likely hood you are less intelligent than Elon Musk, and by comparison im positive less intelligent than even myself, and that bar is pretty mediocre.
Anyway. I appreciate Musk a Hella lot. He kicks serious ass. But no wonder lemmy hates him, lemmy is 1000% woke, and Elon hates that shit.
How do these boots taste?
The only thing you really know about him is what his PR team tells you.
Obvious that you think he is smart, every idiot that falls for blatant propaganda does.
Anyway, here is the list of false promises Elon has made over the years: https://elonmusk.today/
Elon is a fraud, he isn't a genius at all.
He is too stupid to get a degree in Physics. Had to bribe the school to get it.
He has lived his entire life on cheat codes, which became blatantly obvious with his streaming career.
Elon is nothing more than a bag of money to the companies. Which he claims to have founded, but only bought himself into.
He is nothing more than a fraud that has a good PR team.
Lol... you know nothing... so why do you say all these words and prove
What do you think billionaires will do with space exploration?