A third of Americans believe Trump’s presidency is part of God’s plan
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They wouldn't know "gods plan" if it smacked them in the ass. They're literally worshipping the closest analogue to the Antichrist. These people are violently clueless.
"God's plan" is literally whatever is happening right now. Got in a car crash? God's plan. Narrowly missed a car crash? God's plan. Cat wakes you at 6am for breakfast? God's plan. This whole comment? God's plan.
His plan sucks because he made Pedos billionaires. Wait, god might he a pedo. It's his plan afterall. Always watching you like a creep. Dude fits pedo logic 100%. Worshiping pedos, sounds on track for religious nutts.
Mary was only around 14, too
Source?
Wikipedia lists her birth year as 18 BCE, whereas Jesus’ is between 6-4 BCE
Wikipedia is using the pseudepigraphal gospel attributed to James as a source. This had been identified by Origen as a forgery and it doesn't constitute Christian doctrine. Although it does influence Christian tradition a lot. It also cites Jewish custom, where girls are eligible to marry at age 13 (which actually contradicts the infancy gospel of James, which states she was 12)
It's not really reliable and definitely not Christian doctrine.
Do you think there’s a more accurate determination of a teenager’s exact age two thousand years ago?
Lol, like that billion actually matters when they stand in judgement.
My thoughts exactly. It's a clickbait headline targeted at anyone who doesn't realize that a third of people believe literally everything is "god's plan."
I'm reminded of the praying hands emoji people always post in response to an announcement of a vehicle crash on Facebook. If that shit worked, why don't they pray for God to keep the crash from happening at all?
God sucks at making plans for something that is omnipotent.
I get it... I believe in God as being chaos and to trust "God" is having faith in the present.
But it's clear they aren't actually about that, otherwise 2020 would have rolled along smoothly and they would have had the same "gods plan" mindset during the 2020 social protests.
This is social and psychological manipulation on a large scale. 5th generation warfare. This is war.
Most humans are pawns used by devils and proud that we created this lifestyle of ignorance and arrogance. Regardless of politics and parties.
Stop buying things that aren't keeping you alive. Most people are funding and paying for this fucked up world to become less human and pretend they don't have blood on their hands.
people are proud to be half human and made by mass media. They don't want to know real reality because it's difficult.
Class war?
Obviously that was Joe Biden interfering in gods plan, so they were just doing the right thing in trying to undo it.
This. Trump literally fits the description of an "antichrist" (lowercase; one of a type) and many of the traits of the definite article (the specific Antichrist) described in the Bible.
But then they're not expecting to be the ones deceived by an antichrist.
Obligatory Ben Corey
I remember reading that in Trump's first term.
It's even more unsettling now.
Even if he's the antichrist, it's still God's plan by definition of the term "God" literally. The only question is if God exists or not. Or for me the question rather is if God's existence matters or not.
I'd suggest it depends on whether one assumes we have free will or not.
My understanding of the Bible is that humanity has free will and so there are lots of things that happen that technically aren't God's will or plan (e.g. John 3:16 is pretty well known as mentioning God not wanting anyone to perish but for everyone to have eternal life, but then there's also the Great White Throne Judgement in Revelation where there are definitely some who are cast into the Lake of Fire - the second death). There's a good argument to be made as well for the prophetic parts of the Bible not being "God's will" but simply the result of Him being outside time and space and hence knowing what the result of humanity's free will will be.
So no, I don't think the Antichrist is part of God's plan per se; rather, God knows there will be an Antichrist and that's given as a warning so people 1) aren't deceived by him and 2) know that God can handle him (in Revelation it ends badly for the Antichrist).
Romans 9 would like a word:
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Ah yes, the issue of predestination vs. free will in the Bible. There are definitely some that believe in predestination, or a deterministic/pre-determined outcome. Personally I don't think this is an accurate reading.
Some of the answers to the same question posed here - https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/77861 - I think cover it well. https://reknew.org/2015/08/paul-teaches-free-will-not-determinism-romans-9-part-3/ also touches on why this passage is not suggesting God predestines some for salvation and some for damnation. Again, I think this comes back to the argument that the God of the Bible knows what people's choices will be and acts accordingly.
Makes sense somehow but then God isn't omnipotent and/or all loving so looks like a contradiction to me. Or maybe he just gave up on humanity?
I guess that depends on how you define those terms - being omnipotent wouldn't necessarily require the exercise of that power, whilst "all-loving" would depend on whether you consider allowing people free will and hence the ability to reject God to be loving or not.
In some ways, isn't the Antichrist God's plan?
So is punishment, and republicans have been using his name in vain.
Yeah you're right, there is an actual "god's plan," but this isn't it.
Give me a fucking break. Grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.
Aaaaaaand this sort of shit is why I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re not recovering from this, and that I need to get the fuck out.
To where, please share?
Don’t have a specific place nailed down yet, but somewhere in the EU most likely, or Japan (I speak the language a bit)
It's easier said than done. But you have an advantage speaking a foreign language.
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The next life.
I'm going to live on a beach in Brasil. Life may be harder, but at least I'll have the beach
Probably too late now. It takes years to get out legitimately. The cult is going to turn America into whitemanistan rapidly now that the foundations are laid.
Religion is the most destructive human invention.
But also the most successful. That is why it exists. I am pretty sure without religion we wouldn't have been able to live together in sedentary groups larger than a few hundred people.
...more than slavery? how tonedeaf can you be
Religion can be used to rationalize slavery. So there.
Religion was used to justify it, and it was used to make the slaves more docile as well. Double edged sword. But then it turned to a source of strength as they emancipated.
It's complex. Humans are not going to give up religion, they're just not. We should work to make the religions better if we want things to get better, and that means supporting the good religious people so they can affect change.
I disagree. I think humans are going to give up religion. They just are.
@ivanafterall The Founders believed that, too, and they were wrong about it. It turns out, religion is an instinct most people have, and they will be religious if they are not inoculated against it by a level of reason that frankly most people just don't have, and never will. Talk to ordinary people, and you'll see that most people have the forensics of children. That against human instinct is all but hopeless.
Religion will decline, and we will reach some equilibrium, but it's not going away.
Slavery was justified in large part for religious reasons.
..but it was the slavery that was the worst outcome, right?
I think you could just say control of the masses as the worst thing that has happened. Slavery is part of that control.
There's a bunch of torture, murder and human sacrifice that stemmed from religion too. Those are pretty bad IMO.
You're not wrong, but it's bad form to say "slavery isn't worse than X"
Why? Do you think slavery is worse than cannibalistic child rape and murder?
It's like saying "all lives matter" in the context of "black lives matter"
it's not wrong. but that's not the right time to say it.
you should read up on how heliocentrists were treated!
"It's God's plan" is the phrase people use to comfort themselves when disasters happen, so I guess that tracks regarding Trump’s rule.
In my experience growing up evangelical, it’s as much a plea as it is an assertion.
Yeah. Everyone assuming this is some sort of praise or support of the current presidency really don't know how that phrase is normally used. Half the time I heard that phrase it was in a "wtf is going on right now"/"this shit sucks" sort of way.
Shitty clickbait title is shitty.
But confirmation bias is real, judging from this comment section populated by the incurious.
It’s also gods plan that the Middle East nukes themselves so Jesus will return and the rest of us will go to heaven. Except for Hindus and the Chinese and a ton of other people.
America has a Christian Nationalist problem.
America has an individualism problem and well fuck me running if Christians just happen to be the absolute worst when it comes to the rights of others being of no consequence.
This is something that hit me like a ton of bricks after living abroad for a bit. It definitely made me think a lot about how much more pleasant things are when people are at least marginally considerate of others, and just how little some people seem to do it in the US.
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Oh I’m aware it always has. I remember learning in grade school, about the Puritans coming to America and being told it was a good thing….
(Spoiler: it wasn’t)
But it’s getting worse every day.
I mean, there's a world in which protestant refugees of the Thirty Years War don't just show up and start slaughtering native peoples.
In fact, quite a few early settler colonies ended up "Going Native" and integrating with local tribes, rather than clinging to European identity and loyalty.
But the promise of a New World Gold Rush invited all the wrong kinds of migrants. Add in the Transatlantic slave trade, and you had a thoughtfully toxic stew of feudal politics layered atop capitalist expansion.
That's because a third of Americans believe everything that happens is part of God's plan because he controls everything good and bad.
Yeah, far be it from me to rush to the defense of religion, but this is not quite as scary as it sounds. You could very well have a religious person answering this survey who absolutely hates Trump and thinks he is a force for evil. Like you said, most Christians believe literally every event is part of God's plan (which is quite reasonable given their axioms tbh).
In fact the article clarifies this:
"That survey, of a nationally representative sample of 8,937 Americans from across the U.S., found that overall, 4 percent believed God chose Trump because He believes in his policies, while another 32 percent think Trump’s election is part of God’s plan, although God may not necessarily agree with his program. Nearly half, 49 percent, said God doesn’t get involved in elections, while 14 percent said they don’t believe in God.
When it comes to white evangelicals, those numbers are much higher, with 8 percent believing God ordained Trump because He agrees with his policies, and 63 percent thinking his election is part of God’s plan, whether the deity agrees with his policies or not. Their beliefs held firm with regards to Joe Biden’s election in 2020 with 67 percent of white evangelicals believing his victory was part of God’s plan – but with the stark difference that a negligible percentage believed that God agreed with his policies."
This is a good analysis of the article. The headline is rage bait.
Joke's on them. I only read headlines.
Wait...
It was literally God's plan to be executed under Pontius Pilate.
Wonder why they don't say that when Democrats are in the oval office..m
According to the survey, they did.
I mean for a religious person everything should be god's plan, right?
No, no, only the good parts.
Not good, just the convenient parts.
That is logical. Practically, though, this is used for justification of selected events. If a person confronts with something he doesn't like, e. g. bugs in his home, he will actively try to change it.
Doesn't mean they have to be passive. They could say God did this to provoke me to do something against this.
I mean it's similar to the question why god allows all this suffering and evil in the world. I think the common answer is to test us and to give us the opportunity to do good or something like that.
That is convenient. This way you can explain anything you like. I think, Sam Harris said "it's like playing table tennis without a net".
That's the point of religion. Providing some kind of psychological comfort by giving answers to questions we can't answer.
But we can answer the question of why god allows bad things to happen: god isn't real.
21% of U.S. adults are fully illiterate. Another 33% can't read better than an elementary school student.
And the GOP has been working to steadily increase those percentages.
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Unfun fact! Carter tried to establish community mental health care centers across America, but Reagan immediately undid it.
Same thing for solar panels. When carter left, he installed the first solar panel on the white house and said 'this will either mark a new beginning or a path untaken'. Reagan took it down.
Now China is kicking everyone's ass in solar panels. And Trump hates renewables so much that he wants to shut down a windfarm in New England that is almost finished, had already cost a lot of money, would employ thousands, and provide a fuckload of cheap electricity to a lot of people.
I've heard that some people believe trump is indeed god's plan, to bring an end to the US
At least one in three. Theres some in the democratic party and independents as well. Its probably at least half.
Not a cult.....nope.
I am reflexively really resistant to calling Christianity a cult because it doesn’t really meet all of the criteria we usually use to define a cult - particularly a singular charismatic leader.
But then…even that criteria arose in a culture dominated - hell totally saturated in Christianity, so I’m questioning those reflexive reactions lately.
I think Evangelical Christianity, which is now functionally interchangeable with Christian Nationalism, is, if not a doomsday cult, then certainly has all of the bad things you tend to think about when you think about doomsday cults but with orders of magnitude more actual political, social, and material power.
So in some ways, calling it a cult is really underselling how dangerous it is.
I'm honestly not referring to Christianity as a whole. I'm referring to Trumpists. They don't worship God, they worship Trump. He's there false idol and their too deluded to even recognise it.
Plot twist: all idols are false.
Well yes, obviously. But the Trump cult has reached a level of disingenuousness that is truly mind-boggling.
Jesus.
How is there no single charismatic leader? The whole article is about their single charismatic leader. Minus the charisma due to dementia.
Daily reminfer that 33% of the US is crazy, and the majority hate Trump.
Aparently they didnt hate him enough to vote against him.
They did.
The US is not a democracy
The winning candidate in the 2024 election was "none"
"Didn't Vote" could as easily be "Any/All" as "None". Also discounts the voters who were legally disenfranchised or otherwise discouraged from participating.
Hence "not a democracy". Voters don't pick their politicians. Politicians pick their voters.
No it was "I don't care, just take whoever the others want".
27%
A Christian (or, really, anyone who believes in predestination) thinking "X is Part of God's Plan" is perfectly consistent with their understanding of the world.
It's the Christians who don't believe this who are being irrational
Those Christians would be inconsistent, but all Christians are irrational by definition.
Rationality is predicated on inputs and outputs. If you're surrounded by second and third hand accounts of divine mysteries, it isn't irrational to accept them as true absent some more compelling data. At least, no more irrational than believing in dinosaurs or the Big Bang Theory, without ever actually having seen a fossil or learned about the significance of background radiation.
The more I see shit like this, the more I ask myself, why are we trying to save this?
So what is the point of all this shit?
The point is that America has managed to make a lot of guys richer than God by allowing them to exploit millions of people
Seems like the only point. However, America does not stand alone in this. Humans as a whole seem to be a cancer infecting the universe. I hope we never achieve interstellar travel.
No no.
One of my only hopes in life is that Elon Musk gets to achieve his dream of living on Mars.
I'll still live on Earth, but at least I won't be on the same planet as him anymore.
Then we can take all the rich assholes, and send em to Mars.
The point is that America has managed to make a lot of guys richer than God by allowing them to exploit millions of people
Isn’t everything that happens a part of God’s plan? I do not understand the thought process of most Christians.
Everything they agree with is part of God's plan. Everything they don't is the work of the devil. When you can control what is "seen" as God's plan, you can control the population. And anyone who disagrees is under the influence of the devil and an enemy. Basic cult mentality.
I love how they overlook that anything the Devil does is, by definition, part of God's plan. Evil to exist is what God wants. lol
That sounds like kindergarten theology. I am pretty sure the common theological premise is that by definition, everything is Gods plan.
Imagine how stupid the average person is and now realize that half of them are dumber than that.
That's a global percentage. I'm pretty sure that the United States is exclusively populated by the lower 15%
I'm a simple man. I see a Carlin quote, I upvote.
But that's not how averages work. We'd really be imagining the median person.
About one third of Americans are bringing the average stupidity way, way down.
And imagine a law allowing them to buy as many weapons as they want.
A third of Americans are incredibly fucking dumb.
More than that actually. There's more than one way to be dumb. Religion isn't the ONLY way.
Just the loudest.
I’d say that’s closer to 98%
98%? Sounds like a really good grade!
Religion should be added to the DSM as a dangerous disorder.
Time for a rev bump to DSM-6.66
A third of Americans are delusional
well, duh?
if you believe in God and you believe God has a plan, then this is part of that plan
how many Christians don't believe God has a plan?
it was God's plan for Charlie Kirkkk to die publicly. it was God's plan for all those school children to die. it is God's plan to abuse and murder non-whites in the US. it is God's plan to have the wealthy and powerful abuse young women and for the masses to protect them
Yeah this just says 1/3 of US Americans truly believe in God.
So, basically, they're saying God is a colossal asshole. Gotcha.
No no no. God is good and all powerful, but the forces of evil are ruling because everyone else is so sinful. So god is big sad/mad but it is also part of his plan so 👍
One needs only read the Bible to realize that gods morality is sub human and utterly demented. That was one of the points that made me stop believing in god, when I realized that I as a young human, had more goodness, compassion and morality than the god i was reading about. A god not worth worshiping or even thinking about.
One thiest view of morality is that it is arbitrary, so literally anything that God does is good because that is what goodness is.
Unironically yes.
Just more proof that everything going on right now is because of religion. They want to control everything and everyone, and punish everyone that doesn't fit their fictional god's plan. Project 2025 exactly.
If you're religious and reading this, fuck you. No really, even though you think you're one of the "good ones", FUCK YOU.
Well I mean the similarities to the antichrist are uncanny. I can understand the feeling.
So is cancer, pedophilia, child starvation and the actual literal devil. What's their point?
The devil doesn't exist, literally
Right. But I was responding to a headline about people who believe that the devil does literally (as written) exist, and is part of their God's plan.
To play devil’s advocate (or perhaps God’s advocate?) if you leave behind the relatively recent “God is omniscient, omnipotent, and all-loving” thing, then bad things happening would be part of even a benevolent deity’s plan. That is to say, bad things are going to happen, working to find a balance that works out well in the long run would be the goal.
“God works all things together for the good of those who love and trust in Him” is a commonly misunderstood doctrine. It isn’t that nothing will ever be bad. It’s that even bad things are included in the plan.
(The Mistborn series, especially the third book in the first era and the books in the second era, does a good job with this concept. Also the final book in The Wheel of Time touches on it during the confrontation with the Dark One.)
So theoretically, even a Christian who despises Trump could say Trump’s presidency is “part of God’s plan.”
(But I’m guessing that’s not what most people mean when they say something like this.)
Yeah, and for the benefit of the many people who didn't read the article, it says this further down:
To put it into perspective, anything less than 5% on the extreme end of a survey is generally treated as the "nonsense response" or "straight-line response" effect, i.e. you can put the most ridiculous thing imaginable on a survey and reliably get 5% positive responses on it. 4% means that the notion was too spicy even for a lot of the usual loonies.
Also Melkor's chaotic role in Eru Iluvatar's grand song.
Yes! I really need to read The Silmarillion again.
Audio book is my preferred, I can't do all the names in my head. Or Jess of the Shire's fabulous 30 minute retelling on a whiteboard, really impressive.
I agree, the first time I finally made it through was when I rented it on cassette tape from my local library back in high school.
I’ll have to look up the retelling!
Or the book of Job.
They wouldn't say Biden or Obama is part of God's plan unless they were honest with themselves
So recent that checks notes voltaire wrote an entire book lampooning the idea. And the lambasting of the idea of god who would allow people to suffer is best done by christians themselves: the idea of such a god, a "moral monster," was argued against very well in against calvinism by roger olson.
I used the phrase “relatively recent” on purpose. It’s not a new idea, but it also isn’t ancient.
Pathetic fake fucking Christians
Pathetic fucking Christians is more like it.
Its a fucking death cult.
A blood death cult that got its start with child sacrifices...
But god is good...lol
Its insane to me that people can't see this. Sure, it has over a thousand years of good PR, but the evil shit isn't hidden. Its all in the bible.
The Allegory of the Cave suites nicely with religious beliefs.
"Keep watching the shadows. There is nothing but the shadows. If someone says anything different they are wrong and you are correct. Feels good to be correct. Be correct with us."
Being incorrect about things on a consistent and constant basis can be disheartening if you're insecure. They are wrong about so many things all the time that it's a nice change of pace to be right. Even if that means accepting "Noble Lies".
MAGA or Christianity?
Christianity. Its all about the end of the world.
Would be nice. But it's more like a pedo cult.
This is why we are completely and totally fucked.
I want out of here. Trump has never been to church, and when asked, couldn't name his favorite Bible verse. He is and has always been a narcissistic fraud. I wish I could leave this country.
See everyone one at the protest on the 18th.
God's plan also includes deadly plagues, global floods, and turning people into pillars of salt.
That's why we must conquer heaven and kill god before his cancerous existence spreads any further.
Also hell too, but they are not the main enemy. Heaven and God are. They are the real monsters.
Capitalists all raise an eyebrow at the idea of all that free salt.
Have these people read the part in the Bible that talks about the Antichrist??
Most of them can't read.
If those people could read they would be very upset.
It's part of a concept of a plan. Great flood, plagues of Egypt, ...
As an atheist, I'm starting to believe this is the work of God too. A deeply vengeful God.
Trump as a form of karmic punishment for the Cold War and its aftermath isn't an unreasonable reading of historical events.
...are we the baddies?
So...God wants to punish America?
finally a rational decision
Not sure what's worse. The article or the AI generated nightmare fuel picture.
I believe this actually happened...
What if it's a punishment from God for doing evil crap like supporting genocide?
A third of Americans are mentally disabled
Hey man you shouldn't insult disabled people like that.
The Omnissiah's blessing is DEFINITELY not with that orange sack of fleshy weakness.
God is way into that shit.
Ewwwww
Which god?
Tony. He's the shitty stepdad god who gives you a $20 and tells you to go to the store pick him up a pack of Lucky Strikes.
Iv never met someone I liked that smoked lucky strikes.
Checkmate, theists
Ouch. I smoke lucky strikes and I ain't no God lover or Maga. I smoke em cause they're cheap.
Also not a step dad...and I'd never ask my son to get me my nasty sticks.
Bet your name is Tony though, isn't it? Fess up, asshole!
Aw...fuck..ya got me.
Lol, nah, but my uncle's name is Tony, funny enough.
Funny how god wants exactly what they want - eh?
In case you're talking to a Christian, most believe that everything is a part of God's plan, even the things they don't like.
It's honestly more interesting that this doesn't match up with the "do you identify as a Christian" stats. It would imply that there are a significant percentage of Christians who think that Trump is outside of God's plan. Maybe God didn't have Trump in his bingo card?
I don't really know if that means much? Putting aside how people actually feel at the idea of "God's plan", it broadly boils down to: "Did it happen? Then it was part of God's plan."
Part of God's plan of judgement
Unironically, those people shouldn’t get to vote. If it’s all a part of gods plan then they should let Jesus take the wheel with the votes too.
They seem OK to be in a theocracy as long as it's the flavor of "Christianity" they claim to belong to.
This really doesn’t speak to quality or satisfaction. If they accidentally drowned their own child, they’d call it god’s plan.
Fuck that asshole god
Some of those believe in a vengeful god and that the plan is wipe out humanity. I would not argue with them on the outcome, just the means of getting there.
religion, in the way of progress since the invention of agriculture
If you ask a Christian "Do you think God personally..." and they answer "No." then how are they a Christian? It's weird how around 66% of people say they are Christian but they don't all believe the part where God is revealed by history unfolding. All things are part of God's plan... but not that!
"God's plan"?
This God guy fucking sucks at planning
The true satanists.
I guess God's plan yet again is to put pedos in charge.
He does seem to be a questionable judge of character.
Of course Trump is part of Azathoth's plan.
Baphomet says hey.
Poll conducted by the PRRI cited in this article is legit. The CEO of PRRI Robert P. Jones writes in a related article, "With its roots in Western Europe, Roman Catholicism has a long history of colonialism, particularly in Africa and the global South, where centuries of atrocities against Black and brown peoples were justified by the conviction that white Christians were God’s chosen means of “civilizing” the world."
Although I didn't closely scrutinize the article OP linked, I would guess that it has equal journalistic integrity.
We have already established by means of the last election that have the voter base it to stupid for their own good. This just cements the fact.
They have god mixed up with satan
Actually I was thinking of the Lucky Charms leprochan.
The r34 version of an Irish myth, I presume?
Not really. Lucifer, in the Bible, never really does anything evil.
that’s cause they want end times to happen in their lifetimes.. sheep
Just gonna leave this here.....for no real reason....
There is no god,( a fact even more than a 3rd of americans would disagree with) but if the magic man would exist and after all this time decided to finally do some good, placing this clown at the head of the most destructive country on the planet would be a good move.
I think you meant "would not be" ?
no.
Glad a US president is doing a good job of fucking up his own country for once and not other countries as usual.
I hope it goes to hell soon, carry on Donnie!
Their god wants to destroy the US?
Bioshock Infinite is a documentary.
Seriously, American style Christianity is just as awful as DAESH.
Given that only 25% of US citizens accept evolution theory as truth, I'm not surprised.
Do t forget the non zero amount of people who vehemently believe that the earth sun and moon are flat and the Sol system isn't heliocentric...
It will be a great day once the Evangelical Boomers die off.
Won't change shit. Young Internet incel males have turned to the right for a sense of identity. You've got another 60+ years waiting on for them to die off
This is literal propaganda.
More genz men lean left than older generations, every progressive generation becomes more progressive.
And the culturally "Christian" boomers like those Episcopalian sorry excuse for "clergy" trying to please the world instead of God.
No... the devout Christians trying to destroy the world and all people in it are the ones we need gone.
The lukewarm Christians who love and cherish other people should stay.
How are devout Christians destroying the world?
Well, if they don't care about the world at all, as you desire, and follow a religion all about the end of the world, the only reasonable thing for a Christian to do is to hasten the end of the world as best they can.
How could a Christian hasten the end of the world if that's up to God the Father to decide?
Well it isn't. Cos gods not real.
But Christians like to ignore climate change, stoke political violence and ensure as many people as possible die to preventable disease.
Ignoring climate change, political violence, and dying due to preventable disease has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. If anything, it's quite contrary. A devout Christian would not be doing those three things you've mentioned.
I don't care what the bible says
TIL: 1/3 of the Americans are genuine morons. The more stupid the citizens, the greater the state. So, it's MAGA all the way!
If I believed in an all powerful being who knows everything everywhere all at once I don't believe anything could possibly not be in God's plan ... So you know like what the fuck? I know what you're thinking didn't I miss omni-benevolent? And I'm like really? It's a logical fallacy and you think with all the evidence around us that is the real one?
A third of Americans believe in a god that really, really hates them? Cool.
Which god? Humans have made thousands of them
The good white one who hates fags. Obviously
Is there a god that doesn't hate gays?
And the name of that dark god is Grandfather Nurgle
If this is Yahweh's planning, then they are in dire need of a pink slip. We should try hiring on Cthulu or Ahura Mazda instead.
All hail Avis!
I refuse to believe a third of a country can be this stupid. I can't even believe that a third of a country can believe in god.
1/3 of the country is conservative if you think about it. Look at polls and it's usually 30-40% republican/conservative. 10-20% being "independent" and that's being generous 50-60% Democrats/liberals.
Those that vote not the ones that don't.
Hopefully, they start buying land and building a compound in French Guyana.
I find it a bit heartening that the number is that low.
"Gott mit uns"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5gr1p_Pp0U
Religion and politics.
Which god ? Because some seem more likely ...
Why are Christians so anti-Christ's teachings?
Idk, but in this instance, we have Paul the Apostle to thank for Christians' submission to authority, no matter how vile it is:
Romans 13 1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. ::: spoiler more 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. :::
https://youtu.be/RJiwovX3mNA
What an amazing song, thanks!
gods plan, he ultimately smites everyone in the end, or sends down his ANGELS to smite everyone.
Which god we talking here? Not the muslim or christian ones for sure.
The true American religion. The Church of Capitalism.
Fuck it let's give all of the different church's land and assets to Trump, call your local church ask them why good Christians like them are preventing Trump from saving this country, then watch them recoil as their money is threatened.
Maybe they're right. Steve Carell once took action to protect the future from God's plan. Maybe we do too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystheism
god's plan for the apocalypse maybe lol
Something something false idol
I hold no warmth for organised religion and believe it to be an accelerating net negative to society for at least the past 5 or 6 centuries, probably further.
With that said, these people aren't Christians, they haven't even successfully learned the most basic lessons of their book. They're just a hateful cult appropriating some culture that's got nothing to do with them.
If there are any actual Christians left out there that actually read the fucking bible, they should be (according to the book itself, as far as I can tell) vehemently denouncing this behaviour as loudly as they can ad nauseum. Reminding all their Christian friends this behaviour is the ticket to eternal damnation, etc.
Why isn't this happening?
Some do, it’s just that their religion is complicit (Matthew 5:39-40). They would rather our planet become Mars and see the evil they let occur, because they have a faustian myth of a promise of an afterlife.
One third of Americans apparently qualify as fertilizer and not much else.
Look at that, right on track with the Hopeless Dipshit Constant(TM) of 33%.
I get where people are coming from with a kneejerk, "religion is bad!" reaction, but honestly that's not very helpful. The world is always going to have a pluralism of beliefs, and many of those beliefs are going to be of a religious nature. You're never going to get rid of religion, so may as well be realistic about what can change.
Being that virtually all of the most harmful things being done in the name of religion, in the United States, can be traced to a subset of Christian factions, it's more helpful overall to identify and promote the forms of Christianity that are progressive instead. A groups true worst enemy is their nearest neighbor.
Yeah no, I'm not going to promote any form of Christianity. Fuck that.
Okay, whatever, you do you. I'm just saying, "religion is bad" is, like, kinda useless, ya know?
Nope. I do not.
You're suggesting we manually pick through the steaming pile of shit for hidden kernels of what, more corn? Your logic is dumb as fuck.
Oh edgelord I see. I got you covered, here's the one you can push.
The Pew research article finds the opposite of this article tho:
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/09/10/most-americans-dont-believe-god-played-a-role-in-recent-presidential-election-outcomes/
It's the same survey
Yes sorry, i meant to say the title of the article is the opposite. It's clickbaity.
You understand that 1/3 (33%) thinking one thing and MOST (just over 50%) thinking the opposite can both be true at the same time, right?
33+~51<100
I can't find what's the opposite. Title here says third, your article says third.