Security, and I would kill for a couple of hours to myself each day. By the time I get home, I have about half an hour to get to sleep if I want a full 8h down before the next shift. I work 2-3 nights, then get 2-3 off, so it averages out to 7 shifts a fortnight which isn't so bad.
I recently got away from a 7p-7a, and rationalizations aside, it is so bad. Maybe the day shifters are ok with it, but they don't have to wildly swing their sleep schedule every couple days just to get some time to do something other than work or sleep.
I'll take longer shifts with 7 days off per fortnight over normal ones with only weekends off any day. I rarely change my sleep schedule, I just stay nocturnal most of the time. I pop to the shops on my break most shifts to grab a backpack load of groceries, then there's a 24h one near my apartment if I need anything that can't wait on nights off. I spend my "mornings" with my girlfriend until she goes to bed around lunchtime, then I have the rest of my time to myself. It works for me, and has been for the last 8 years 🤷♂️
Other departments on a 3 on 4 off rotation had it much better, at least there was some semblance of time off. Also, my area has basically nothing open after dark besides fuel stations, making the problem worse.
Not who you asked but: it's possible to do night time readiness jobs where you basically sleep (lightly) on premises (not all of those 13h of course) and are there when needed. Usually you'd do that for a week, then have a week off or something like that.
Is that a lack of empathy? Like they literally can’t comprehend anything other than their own lived experiences. I’ve noticed a scary number of people are “the only moral abortion is my abortion” type. Like they don’t care about anything unless it affects them. Cant think of a worse character trait.
My wife and i just had this convo/research about our kids. The concept is "sleep supportive family."
I came from sleep supportive, she did not. We had to settle out differences on how to handle that for our kids and decided she'd cross over to the sleep supportive side.
When we got married, she'd be waking me up at 830 because it was "time to wake up" like i didnt just put in a 60 hour week. Glad shes come around now
This fails to consider edge cases such as many here have brought up. The implication is that folks who choose to sleep in are less productive than folks who don’t, not that folks who must sleep later for logistical reasons such as shift work are less productive.
Anyone else get their best coding done between the hours of 10pm to 6am when we're finally enjoying peace?
During grad school, I analyzed my dissertation data in the restricted access room late at night while binging Star Trek TNG and Voyager on my laptop. I'd then go to my 7am meetings with my early bird boomer advisor for my RA job and immediately crash once I got home.
I can't code within hours. Once I'm thinking about it, it just bounces around in there until I figure it out. So I appear to slack off a lot, but I'm thinking about it very often even outside work.
You're in it for a while. My oldest is a night owl somehow but my youngest is hitting 2 and wakes me up at all 3 times (I think he gets up at 5 but only wakes me when hungry, like a cat).
I don't think it'll get better until they're out of the house.
My 3 year old wakes up screaming at exactly 1 am every night. Not crying or yelling, full screaming like he saw a ghost. It usually wakes up my 6 month old and then we're all doomed.
I started staying up and waiting by his door so I can run right in. He's always fine and just goes "oh hi daddy do you want to sing me a song?"
Ah our 3yo did that for a while a year ago, it's very upsetting. At least yours snaps out of it quickly, ours would go for a half hour but I managed to calm her with numbers. We would count upwards as high as we could switching places and she'd calm down. Side effect, she can count past 100 now.
Oh, also it's apparently similar to sleep walking. Apparently they'll do that eventually.
The people driving opinions like that don't need to wait until after work to pick up their groceries. The less well off ones can go pick it up during work while the better off ones let their chef hire someone to take care of keeping enough fresh ingredients stocked.
Im similar. But this is just how i have always been. I sleep when im tired, so i dont have a real sleep schedule. Weekdays im up at 530. Some nights im in bed by 9, others 12 or later. I never have a problem falling asleep because i simply just got to bed when im tired. So on the weekend, i sleep until im completely rested. Some days its 730, other days its 10 or later.
My best rest/most productive time of my life was the semester i was working senior project with folks who wanted to meet before their full day of work, and I had night classes. I had no problem transitioning to sleeping 4hours, twice a day. About 2-6 on both sides. I wish i could do that again
There's some overlapping options here. CEOs frequently claim to wake up at 5AM and do a load of woo woo voodoo bullshit to 'spot opportunities', and they're useless members of society.
"Well, first I put in a solid 2 hours at the gym, and then I go meet with my spiritual mentor, and then it's another 2 hours back at the gym. Finally I read the newspapers for an hour or two. At this point, I can go for a quick 7am breakfast and be into the office by 9:30, after a quick swim at the gym. But not before my personal meeting with the lord."
I used to work a full time job mostly in the evenings and on weekends (stage technician). I went shopping during the daytime. I got berated by a shopkeeper for being precisely that last option.
As someone who worked nights for a long time, there is a crazy amount of people who don't have the mental capacity to conceive that a different work/sleep schedule is possible. The number of people who, upon finding out I worked 11pm to 7am, genuinely assumed that I still woke up at "normal" time in the morning, and just sat around watching TV all day until it was time to go to work again was pretty astonishing.
I wonder if there is any historical way of evaluating human empathy.
It seems to me that there are far more people that lack inherent empathy, let alone more developed empathy, than there are those that have it.
Capitalism, of course, demands the rejection of empathy.
If we call what the USSR had (at some points) and the CCP (at some points) communism, they still massively lacked empathy. Take Lenin for example. He allowed non-Russian ethic groups the right to secede (Lithuania, Finland, Ukraine, Poland, Latvia and Estonia). So he appeared to understand that "hey, let's not subject the people who aren't us the ability to be independent of our experiment". He established literacy development, separation of church and state, women's rights. But then he proceeds to use terror and violence to "drive out the old order" leading to some 140,000 state sanctioned murders, established gulags and slave labor camps. This led to the Red/White civil war both sides of which use antisemitism as a means of blame. So here, now, we show that a significant majority of people are lacking empathy.
Empathy is POWERFUL in a social context especially ones Humans evolved with. Individually we could not survive very well. Grouped together we were capable of hunting the largest creatures on earth, while raising children, maintaining shelter, keeping hydrated, and advancing.
Why would we seemingly develop something to the opposite of our survival?
I may be more useless than those lazy 7am nearly useless fucks, but just on some days. Some other days, I am still part of the still holy crusader army 6:45am cutoff.
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3pm, for a 5pm-6am workday. The type of person who would present this question unironically would probably still consider me useless though.
What do you do, out of interest? It sounds like you only get a couple of hours to yourself a day…
Security, and I would kill for a couple of hours to myself each day. By the time I get home, I have about half an hour to get to sleep if I want a full 8h down before the next shift. I work 2-3 nights, then get 2-3 off, so it averages out to 7 shifts a fortnight which isn't so bad.
I recently got away from a 7p-7a, and rationalizations aside, it is so bad. Maybe the day shifters are ok with it, but they don't have to wildly swing their sleep schedule every couple days just to get some time to do something other than work or sleep.
I'll take longer shifts with 7 days off per fortnight over normal ones with only weekends off any day. I rarely change my sleep schedule, I just stay nocturnal most of the time. I pop to the shops on my break most shifts to grab a backpack load of groceries, then there's a 24h one near my apartment if I need anything that can't wait on nights off. I spend my "mornings" with my girlfriend until she goes to bed around lunchtime, then I have the rest of my time to myself. It works for me, and has been for the last 8 years 🤷♂️
Other departments on a 3 on 4 off rotation had it much better, at least there was some semblance of time off. Also, my area has basically nothing open after dark besides fuel stations, making the problem worse.
Not who you asked but: it's possible to do night time readiness jobs where you basically sleep (lightly) on premises (not all of those 13h of course) and are there when needed. Usually you'd do that for a week, then have a week off or something like that.
I had a similar conversation with a friend in college who alleged that waking up after 9am meant that you are lazy. In all cases. Period.
Stayed up until 3am partying with your friends? Better still be up by 9.
Took the Redeye which didn't land until 5am? Oof, enjoy your few hours remaining but don't sleep in...
Work a double shift through the night until 8am? Did I fucking stutter, you can only sleep until 9am, you useless fuck!
Idk... seems silly and arbitrary.
Is that a lack of empathy? Like they literally can’t comprehend anything other than their own lived experiences. I’ve noticed a scary number of people are “the only moral abortion is my abortion” type. Like they don’t care about anything unless it affects them. Cant think of a worse character trait.
In this case, I think it was more indoctrination of a rule her dad set that she never questioned.
My wife and i just had this convo/research about our kids. The concept is "sleep supportive family."
I came from sleep supportive, she did not. We had to settle out differences on how to handle that for our kids and decided she'd cross over to the sleep supportive side.
When we got married, she'd be waking me up at 830 because it was "time to wake up" like i didnt just put in a 60 hour week. Glad shes come around now
Not to mention all the shift workers. My SO is a nurse on an afternoon shift, they rarely wake up before noon.
But apparently, to your "friend", my SO is a worthless sack.
Neat.
My job doesn't even start until 2pm, fuck am I waking up early for?
This fails to consider edge cases such as many here have brought up. The implication is that folks who choose to sleep in are less productive than folks who don’t, not that folks who must sleep later for logistical reasons such as shift work are less productive.
So yeah this is poorly written.
I wasn't implying anything of the sort, but ok.
Sorry, I mean this meme fails to consider edge cases. You're just taking it as written.
Morning people are the worst
Same people fall asleep at like 20 o clock
I'd say many of us waking up early aren't morning people, just that our jobs require it
Or tiny asshole family members.
Kids make you a morning person in the same way getting chased by bears makes you a runner - Unknown to me
O clock seems wrong with 24h format
Ok, then let's call it 20pm.
They never heard of chronotypes.
Or night shift.
Anyone else get their best coding done between the hours of 10pm to 6am when we're finally enjoying peace?
During grad school, I analyzed my dissertation data in the restricted access room late at night while binging Star Trek TNG and Voyager on my laptop. I'd then go to my 7am meetings with my early bird boomer advisor for my RA job and immediately crash once I got home.
I can't code within hours. Once I'm thinking about it, it just bounces around in there until I figure it out. So I appear to slack off a lot, but I'm thinking about it very often even outside work.
Slacker.
Newborn baby, so all 3 times.
You have my sympathies
You're in it for a while. My oldest is a night owl somehow but my youngest is hitting 2 and wakes me up at all 3 times (I think he gets up at 5 but only wakes me when hungry, like a cat).
I don't think it'll get better until they're out of the house.
My 3 year old wakes up screaming at exactly 1 am every night. Not crying or yelling, full screaming like he saw a ghost. It usually wakes up my 6 month old and then we're all doomed.
I started staying up and waiting by his door so I can run right in. He's always fine and just goes "oh hi daddy do you want to sing me a song?"
Ah our 3yo did that for a while a year ago, it's very upsetting. At least yours snaps out of it quickly, ours would go for a half hour but I managed to calm her with numbers. We would count upwards as high as we could switching places and she'd calm down. Side effect, she can count past 100 now.
Oh, also it's apparently similar to sleep walking. Apparently they'll do that eventually.
Joke's on them. I get up at 5AM and I'm a worthless member of society.
Coworkers: he comes in so early, what a hard worker
Me: well I gotta poop, might as well get up and do it at work
It truly brings peace of mind knowing I won't accidentally wreck my own toilet.
Second and third shifts are useless? Remember that when you can't pickup your groceries after work.
The people driving opinions like that don't need to wait until after work to pick up their groceries. The less well off ones can go pick it up during work while the better off ones let their chef hire someone to take care of keeping enough fresh ingredients stocked.
Backshift nurses are devastated right now
5pm. But you know what? I go to bed way earlier than all those fuckers.
Week days: 0700-0730ish. Gotta get my kids ready for school.
Weekend: At the crack of noon
How does your body even let you sleep that late on weekends?
Im similar. But this is just how i have always been. I sleep when im tired, so i dont have a real sleep schedule. Weekdays im up at 530. Some nights im in bed by 9, others 12 or later. I never have a problem falling asleep because i simply just got to bed when im tired. So on the weekend, i sleep until im completely rested. Some days its 730, other days its 10 or later.
My best rest/most productive time of my life was the semester i was working senior project with folks who wanted to meet before their full day of work, and I had night classes. I had no problem transitioning to sleeping 4hours, twice a day. About 2-6 on both sides. I wish i could do that again
Some people are going to be really pissed off at this once they finally haul their lazy arses out of bed.
Multiphasic sleep made a big difference in my life. I'm fortunate to have the kind of job where I can just nap at 3PM randomly.
There's some overlapping options here. CEOs frequently claim to wake up at 5AM and do a load of woo woo voodoo bullshit to 'spot opportunities', and they're useless members of society.
To be fair it's not an IFF (if and only if)
"Well, first I put in a solid 2 hours at the gym, and then I go meet with my spiritual mentor, and then it's another 2 hours back at the gym. Finally I read the newspapers for an hour or two. At this point, I can go for a quick 7am breakfast and be into the office by 9:30, after a quick swim at the gym. But not before my personal meeting with the lord."
When I am king, the morning people will be first against the wall.
Somehow I feel both seen and attacked.
Seems to be a good number of my posts
Honestly it is quite impressive
What can I say. I'm annoying
I used to work a full time job mostly in the evenings and on weekends (stage technician). I went shopping during the daytime. I got berated by a shopkeeper for being precisely that last option.
As someone who worked nights for a long time, there is a crazy amount of people who don't have the mental capacity to conceive that a different work/sleep schedule is possible. The number of people who, upon finding out I worked 11pm to 7am, genuinely assumed that I still woke up at "normal" time in the morning, and just sat around watching TV all day until it was time to go to work again was pretty astonishing.
4am. My first meeting is at 6am everyday.
Yep, my alarm is set for 3:30 tomorrow, I'm already in bed :'(
So if I wake up at 4?..
It ain't that easy. You think you can make the commitment to waking up at the crack of noon for deep-knee rock squats?
sleep haters are allowed literacy?!
So what about 3:45AM? Asking for an alcoholic friend...
These are the same type of people that show up to a business 5 minutes before close and then hang around for 30 minutes deciding what they want
i'd have to sleep first
Well, it's after 5am and I'm awake.
But I don't think that's what they mean
This is from LinkedIn, isn’t it?! That’s the only appropriate place for such a poll.
hear that, night shift? fuck you, trying to keep eye on the valuable artifacts and shit.
Whew! 7am
Night shift? Pffft. Give me my 3 AM baguette, you useless member of society you. WOA, HEY!! DON'T THROW IT AT ME! Do you know who my father is?!?
Depends on how bad my anxiety is
5.20. Unfortunately.
I wonder if there is any historical way of evaluating human empathy.
It seems to me that there are far more people that lack inherent empathy, let alone more developed empathy, than there are those that have it.
Capitalism, of course, demands the rejection of empathy.
If we call what the USSR had (at some points) and the CCP (at some points) communism, they still massively lacked empathy. Take Lenin for example. He allowed non-Russian ethic groups the right to secede (Lithuania, Finland, Ukraine, Poland, Latvia and Estonia). So he appeared to understand that "hey, let's not subject the people who aren't us the ability to be independent of our experiment". He established literacy development, separation of church and state, women's rights. But then he proceeds to use terror and violence to "drive out the old order" leading to some 140,000 state sanctioned murders, established gulags and slave labor camps. This led to the Red/White civil war both sides of which use antisemitism as a means of blame. So here, now, we show that a significant majority of people are lacking empathy.
Empathy is POWERFUL in a social context especially ones Humans evolved with. Individually we could not survive very well. Grouped together we were capable of hunting the largest creatures on earth, while raising children, maintaining shelter, keeping hydrated, and advancing.
Why would we seemingly develop something to the opposite of our survival?
Why can't I select multiple?
I get up at 5, but I'm not functional until around 6:30...
I may be more useless than those lazy 7am nearly useless fucks, but just on some days. Some other days, I am still part of the still holy crusader army 6:45am cutoff.