Watching the Charlie Kirk video felt good.
I'm not sorry. Seeing someone who spread so much hate and bigotry and weaponized disinformation get his clock cleaned was absolutely fine by me.
I have empathy for lots of people even if we don't always agree, but not for people like Charlie Kirk.
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Charlie Kirk died while doing what he loved:
Being a horrible horrible person, and a blight on humanity.
Gotta be high on the list of most ironic deaths of 2025.
I have said it before, and I will say it again.
Empathy is a huge strength, lack of it is a huge weakness.
Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials
Yep, that is very accurate, an empathic society is a strong society, the empathy patches the cracks that happen when others fail, helping them gives them the opportunity to later help others.
In any logical sense, empathy will win.
Lack of empathy means that you loose all of that, creating a very brittle society.
"All words are made up." - Thor
Empathy: a made up word that apparently most people in this thread dont have.
Seriously, can no one see the irony in hating this sick fuck of a waste of air, and everything he stands for, but then using his views as justification for his death?
You are mocking him for saying empathy isnt real, which ironically shows an absolute lack of empathy and an admission that you agree with him.
Just stop and take a breath.
He was an absolute prick and i am not sad he is gone. But somebody was shot and killed and all you can do is point an laugh.
How can you stand on any moral high ground when there are any other shootings or murders that you want people to mourn.
Empathy does not come without conditions.
Example, Trump is a vile human being, I feel no empathy towards him.
I feel empathy towards the people who, as we say in Sweden, bites the sour apple and interacts with him out of necessity while maintaining their professionalism.
I can even feel empathy toward the first wave MAGA crowd, plenty of them was deceived and fooled into believing their lies, and the weak democrats only acting as a ratchet and not reversing the GOPs decisions when they could have. I feel empathy toward them for having been brainwashed for generations into believing that socialism is bad, that line must go up, but that things can never improve more than marginally.
The US government has failed is people, I have no empathy toward the people perpetuating the status quo
Yeah, sorry i conceeded elsewhere that empathy was not what i meant. I appreciate what you are saying.
I just have 2 points. 1 is that feeling pleasure in watching someone dying gruesomely is concerning.
And 2. Applauding and validating this shooting goes both ways. If you don't oppos3 this then you are opening the doors and saying its ok for anyone to shoot anyone if they have an opinion.
Kirk may have been a complete fake and just peddling propaganda and nonsense. A vile creature but from the rights point of view, thats what left wing equivalents are doing. From their perspective its ok to retaliate.
I think it s3ts a dangerous precedent and people should be careful how they go forward with this.
It's perfectly fine, showing empathy towards people who does not, is an increadible strength.
Depending on the situation, it could even change their views.
However, someone who tries to argue that empathy is bad, a weakness, does deserve to get a taste of what true lack of empathy is.
If I saw Trump or Vance alone on in a forest with a broken bone in the middle of winter, would I help? Yes, but i would be a huge dick about it once I realized who they were.
It's about consistency. This is man who said, in the wake of school shootings, that a few gun deaths every year is a worthy cost for gun rights. This is a man that said empathy was a made up woke term that causes a lot of damage.
Why should anyone have empathy for him being shot at a school? Not caring about those kinds of victims was his entire platform. This is karma, divine poetic justice, and I'm not going to ignore that. He got precisely what he deserved.
Yeah, i guess i was wrong, i guess I'm not talking about empathy. Like morally you are right not not mourn his death, but the prevailing sentiment in the thread is one of taking pleasure in watching that video of him bleeding profusely from the neck.
Frankly, the idea of that not instantly invoking in you a similar torrent of vomit, is alien to me.
I guess it's just so... poignant. The poetic justice of it counteracts any revulsion.
It's REALLY different, when you're the specific kind of person he spent his life degrading, defaming, and spreading hateful rhetoric about, so that he could harm you. Successfully. They are teaching his garbage in schools. Right now. So that he can train children to hate me. Specifically. My family. My friends and neighbors.
I'm sorry you don't get this, but when the racism, the hate, the violence, the laws being passed to try and make life impossible. when they DIRECTLY and explicitly effect YOU. Not "they came for the communists" but for YOU. it's a very different kind of feeling than when it's just a group you don't give a shit about.
Charlie Kirk didn't hate you. I can tell. Because if he hated you as much as he hated me. and spend as much time as he did talking about how other people needed to hate you as much as he talked about people needing to hate me, you wouldn't be saying this stupid ass shit.
The OP posted that they enjoyed WATCHING him die. If you saw that video and felt joy, then i think there is something wrong.
I feel joy that he is deadm that he is gone. He cant keep spreading his shit everywhere.
I did not enjoy watching him die.
Where is your humanity if you took pleasure in watching that video.
2 things can be true. You can be happy he died but not enjoy watching it.
Thats all i am trying to say.
I already conceeded the empathy thing.
I haven't watched it and don't want to watch it either. I don't need to see someone's neck explode, no matter whose it is. I feel like if I were to watch it, some deep part of myself would never be the same. I'd forever have watched somebody die. And not "watch somebody die" like when I was 12 and we all watched people jump out of 100+ story windows on every news channel (which was disturbing enough.) I mean "watch somebody die" as in seeing their face as the light leaves their eyes. I don't want that in my heart forevermore, even if the person who died was the devil incarnate.
However, I understand why others are watching it with schadenfreude. Humans have been making spectacles of death for quite some time. Public executions used to be community events. It probably feels very cathartic to a lot of people to see someone they consider "evil" be "dealt justice." This particular death may have been especially relieving, since it was apparently a comedically-timed, over-the-top explosion.
I don't personally feel the way others here feel, but I can't judge them for it either. With how few wins we've seen over the past decade, I'm not surprised that this video is as popular as it seems to be.
"Y'all are all about 'shoot Nazis, kill Nazis' until a Nazi dies. Then it's 'Oh but that Nazi had a family.' Fuck off."
I mean, I feel bad for his kids assuming it ever dawns on them that dad was famous for being a lying sack of shit and left this world after being struck with 150 grains of irony (not sure what actual weight of projectile did him in, but old milsurp seems fitting).
New band name, I call it
It's all yours
so glad that I can evade all consequences forever by knocking up bitch
Well, I don't wish ill on anybody. But when it does happen to some people, schadenfreude can be enjoyable.
Rest in piss Charlie.
Like someone else said, Kirk getting shot in the throat, in a school, possibly by a republican, while ranting about minorities, gang violence and trans people, is peak irony
"Because Charlie Kirk spent so much of his life advocating for gun violence, Kirk’s murder was both tragic and ironic. He was killed by the very thing he loved. It would be like if Donald Trump were child-raped to death."
Holy Fuck Steve!
Dude is a legend. I would not be surprised if I saw him writing for South Park one day.
I wish ill on people who do evil shit. I also wish they'd see the error of their ways and make amends. They don't tend to though. Watching Charlie get so neatly picked off like a clay pigeon in a shooting gallery as he was about to spew more horseshit was highly satisfying.
I can't tell you how many times I've watched that 4 second clip. I even fucking downloaded it.
It's getting hard to find, Google has wiped it out. I found some on Facebook. Just pop, gush, and old Charlie has reached his own personal turning point.
That doesn't surprise me at all, that's why I downloaded it. I even showed it to a right-winger last night at work. Maybe he makes the connection that these ideas are dangerous, maybe he doesn't. He just said "oh my God... What the fuck..." Another dude brought it up but never heard of him. He had already seen the video but was asking who he is, and I told him he's a propagandist for the right wing. He said "ahhh fuck em then."
Where did you download from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:FilePath/Shooting_of_Charlie_Kirk.webm
(Close-up, extremely graphic)
Gosh that's precise. Like barely finishes speaking, and picked off like a clay pigeon in a shooting gallery. Whoever did it must be a pro.
Mastadon.
Edit: it was from a link someone posted on the mega thread.
I am enjoying this slo mo video.
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19zJxifoUd/
sensible giggle, I like you OP
All the pearl clutching from people who openly support a man "Who could shoot someone on 5th ave and not lose a single vote."
I'd call them hypocrites but they're too busy praying in public to hear me.
Their messaging is also weirdly contrived. They almost never do the same for deaths of innocent people, they consider them statistics rather than people. But then a bad guy meets a bad fate, and they bring out their alts accounts to tell you “yOu gUyS aRe eViL.”
Irony is lost on some people.
Yeah. Reading conservative subreddits last night was depressing. I was convinced most of the users are bots though. All of them seem to be saying the same shit.
Sadly that is actually the level of critical analysis that CK listeners operate on. The biproduct of being religiously conditioned to trust in authority without question.
Source: Canadian with Maple MAGA family.
Well, I say they seem like bots not because they are mad/sad he died, or about their beliefs. But just the way that thousands of people are all expressing hatred and intent for violence against the left, in very similar ways. They sound like LLM output to me.
What a sad day to be literate.
I hope this was a turning point for this country
SHOTS FIRED. Hahahaha.
It's absolutely okay to feel relief when you experience the death of an abusive person.
My only empathy is for the students at the school who probably thought they were about to be victims as well, thinking maybe they were about to experience a mass shooting. Kirk spewed vile hatred non stop, said that gun deaths were needed for us to have our 2nd amendment right, so he did die from what he preached.
I feel for the students in Colorado who just hours after did become victim to a school shooting, the Democratic officials in Minnesota who the media have forgotten about after their assassination.
Does that make me a bad person? I don't really give a shit. There's one less toxic commentator/grifter out there saying demeaning shit about minorities and my trans homies, one less voice calling for their deaths. If the left had a version of Kirk that was assassinated, they'd be saying the exact fucking thing.
I worry about what the repercussions will be for the country.
I don't want anyone watching to have trauma symptoms, sadly they're going to, but even if they support him I don't want that for them.
But watching him about to open his big mouth and say more pro gun shit and then get picked off like a clay pigeon in a shooting gallery? 10/10.
I dunno, I mean his supporters deserve trauma. Id feel for the Lefty's that went to just heckle or observe hate. But I'm probably in the top 1% of the darkest (not skin tone) people on the left. Personally I wouldn't mind being there to witness it, but I've seen a lot in Iraq. One shitty guy doesn't phase me at all, so maybe my opinion on this is a little skewed.
I hate seeing a young vulnerable person who has been manipulated into believing weaponized disinformation like from Charlie, who probably with some more time in higher education and living away from their bumfuck home town would acquire a more discerning political outlook,suffer this trauma.
It could also be the moment of awakening, too.one thing I can guarantee, is that they've been thinking about ethics for the last 33 hrs non-stop.
I feel a little bad for his kids, having no dad probably sucks. Well, not nearly as much as having Kirk as a dad, but still. I feel the same way for Barron Trump and Elon's kids, not much they can do to escape attention and indoctrination. Still doesn't mean that he was a good man just for having a family, regardless of what CNN and the NYT say.
I dont feel bad for them. We have over sheltered the country. We dont want people see videos of what happens. We dont show them the photos. "Its too graphic". Good. See it. Look at the reality. Maybe if more peoole did that we would have less wars, less rhetoric. Its all a big game because we dont confront peoole with the dark reality.
YouTube randomly gave me this:
Yes, I would like for him to be next if that's what they're saying.
Oh can we have this for christmas? Please please please please please please
Can we get some witches to put a curse on him too?
charlie kirk sucked ass. but i don't see his extremely public assassination having many positive consequences
First positive influence: his psychotic ass is gone. Second: Republicans finally have a hint of fear, knowing there are actual consequences.
They bet on there being no credible resistance.
you're assuming they weren't the ones to do it to create a false-flag event to consolidate magats.
the only fear I have yet to see is from the Democrats. the Republicans are using this as an opportunity to further their agendas.
mark my words. there will be a national political registry before there's a national gun registry.
Yes, read up on the Reichstag fire.
What I find amazing is that there's no civil war yet. I guess the left will just quietly go to their death camps?
The trouble is often fear is displayed as anger. And when people are experiencing strong emotions, fear included, they behave less predictably and make more impulsive decisions.
I'm worried about the next left demonstration and hope that everyone stays safe.
Yup. Consequences motherfuckers.
My friend had a great quote while we were talking about farmers suffering under Trump's policies.
"Did these fuckheads think owning the libs was going to be free?"
I love that! Should straight up tell them.
I can think of one.
Whatever happens next was going to happen eventually anyway. Don't let anyone shift the blame.
The tree of liberty finally got some much needed moisture.
The memes are funny though
Look harder.
He was a monster. Without the Fourth Reich to prop him up, he would be just one random evil douchebag.
The world is a marginally better place with him gone. Well until they use it as pretext for carpet bombing blue cities.
They were always going to. Fuck em.
They would either have their moment or manufacture it. I'm sadly aware of that.
they should bomb blue MAGA cities if they exist
Yes, we should hope that the nazis bomb those people you don't like. Sounds quite reasonable. Like someone whose name eludes me might suggest.
Should I name a few? How about Clinton, Obama, Biden or every other president from that cancer country?
They ARE nazis that bomb brown people constantly all over the world.
US imperialism, warmongering and genocide collaboration is bipartisan.
But that doesn't bother them OC, only now when it's internal.
Fuck your 'Blue states'
You all deserve what you created.
Right wingers: how can you celebrate a murder?
Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer.
It doesn’t change them, but it is kinda fun to put together compilations of right wingers celebrating when decent people are murdered.
You can see it written on their RV's.
It's so fucking hard for me to even begin to disagree with you. I want to feel empathy for this human being but for fuck's sake... you can feel the irony and hypocrisy...
he thought empathy was fake, don't give him any lmaooo
but I believe in empathy. since when do i let people like charlie kirk tell me what to feel and think? fuckin never is when.
200 people die in the USA to gun violence each day and no one cares enough to learn their names.
This guy helped perpetuate that.
So, you know, feels wrong to give him more than the other 200.
Years of bad faith argument by professional high school bullies does that. Years of spreading hate and intolerance to their "others", but shock and horror whenever someone didn't tolerate them. Years of snide comments or glee whenever there was an attack on someone they didn't like.
I really didn't care when Paul Pelosi was attacked because people like him don't care or even notice when someone me gets attacked. Why should I care at that Kirk was attacked?
People are saying that this attack with spark more violence, but it didn't really matter that Franz Ferdinand was shot. WWI was going to happen some way or another. Whatever happens next was going to happen one way or another.
I agree on a lot of particulars there, but I feel compelled to quibble on behalf of historical contingency. We are separated from the past by an infinity of momentary possibilities, and just as people in the past did not know what was going to happen, we can never know what possibilities did not come to fruition. It seems impossible that there was ever such a thing as a foregone conclusion in light of the sheer amount of things that are left to chance every single day. Any historian worth the time of day will tell you that their subject is a litany of unintended consequences, and I am happier knowing that no fate is preordained, especially not war.
I see what you're saying about possibilities, but there are definitely patterns to history. Historians will be the first to say that "history rhymes." The pattern of events that we've been seeing unfold over the past few years has occurred countless times before, and surprise surprise, it's never ended peacefully.
As much as I wish that we, as a society, could have learned enough from the past not to keep falling into the same routines, I see no evidence that we've matured that far as a species yet. If the building of tensions has led to violent breaks over and over again throughout history, what makes "now" so special as to be immune from the same fate?
Feel empathy for the fact that people like Charlie, other white supremacists, have something so fundamental missing in their souls they treat other people so poorly. Feel empathy for the fact he was a piss poor human and didn't understand love, respect, community, humanity, etc.
I like treating it like a game. Think of rabid far right radicals as people under the influence of a cognitohazard. You can't really help them, and if you listen to them for too long, you'll pick up the cognitive hazard as well. Like a cold. Only thing to do is quarantine and isolate the infected until they can be humanely put to rest. It's IRL SCPs
Its not about empathy. Its one thing to be indifferent. I am indifferent. I didnt like him, I thought his way of debating was disingenuous. Not giving a shit that he died, is where everyone should be who didnt like him. This glee, this joy, this is not normal. This is sign that a lot of people have been radicalised by their echo chambers.
And worse, now they are calling for others to be murdered. People like JK Rowling. Theres fucking crimes being committed everywhere, all under the guise of "they are nazis!". The exact same shit Putin said to justify his attack on Ukraine. Theres just something so wrong in peoples heads now. Social media has fucked a lot of people brains.
My only disappointment is a shot to the carotid artery means he likely had no time to process the karmic irony of his death.
Based on his body posture right after it looks like he got reset to factory default settings. I think his brain stem got damanged. It was probably lights out immediately
I feel like whoever the shooter was they were imported from another country where they are trained for shooting like this, real marksmanship, and went back right after they are done, somewhere without an extradition treaty maybe.
200m is not a difficult shot, unless it was ridiculously windy.
On a target that can't move when you're relaxed at a range and not wondering if you're doing the right thing, but otherwise sure.
He wasn't moving either. I do respect the spot though. That was a narrow field of view with that tent above him. Trust me, I've been in a position with guns trained on people wondering whether I was doing the right thing (hint: I wasn't, but I've grown a hell of a lot since then). But still, that's not a tough shot even with iron sights, especially with a bolt-action. If there was a well zeroed scope, it'd be hard to miss.
He moved immediately before the shot happened. He was leaning back in his chair and then jumped forwards rapidly to pick up a microphone to respond to a question. He was shot less than a second after doing this.
So what's your point? Realistically that doesn't change the marksmanship aim. I'm really trying to figure out your point. He really barely moved. Like the distance between the carotid artery and the throat. That's an inch and a half at best.
He moved over a foot. Your point was that he didnt move, that it wasnt a tough shot. Now its that he did move but as long as it was about an inch then it was still an easy shot.
He moved more than a foot. Did you watch the video?
As far as I'm concerned it was the same as watching footage of a Nazi's neck exploding.
And I'll always take joy in that.
The only good fascist is a dead fascist.
People need to stop celebrating the shooter! I'm absolutely disgusted and ashamed by their actions. Charlie Kirk was doing nothing but sitting there giving a speech. This was in the middle of the day, there were clear skys and the sun was shining directly on Charlie, as if he was chosen to deliver an important message. Than the shooter shot him. I'll say it as it is, nothing was between Charlie and the shooter that warranted this.
So how could the shooter miss the shot at Charlie Kirk's large ass head and hit him in neck instead! Embarrassing, do better on the next fascist.
He was doing a scientific experiment to see if his head was swollen with blood or gas
I think someone down voted you because they didn't read the second paragraph. Got you back to positive. 👍🏼
I hear reports that estimate the shot at 200 yards. Most rifle scopes come zeroed out at 100 yards out of the box. Maybe the scoped the head but the bullet landed low because the scope was set too close. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Skulls are thick. A bullet hitting at an angle could potentially ricochet off.
Ain't nothing ricocheting off a neck.
Shooter knew exactly what he was doing.
Him making an incredibly racist statement only for the universe's immediate rebuttal to be "we're taking your blood back" was pretty funny.
I'm mostly just tired of the same people that might take time off to go piss on Biden's grave having the gall to demand that we be respectful of this chud.
These are people who hung effigies of Obama being lynched outside their homes.
What's to feel bad about? He said himself victims of gun violence were acceptable.
Don't forget the tailgate images of Biden tied up.
What's to feel bad about? Briefly, that people are so fucked up in general. Kirk just happened to be a lot worse than most. But he's far from alone in his awful beliefs. Look around the Internet and you will see people giddy and you will see people declaring civil war on the left. We're fucked and that's nothing to celebrate. I'm glad he's dead but it's likely that every day will be worse than the last in America until there's no America anymore.
Mango Mussolini comes to mind.
As not one of those people. I would never expect anyone to show him respect, but to want to watch anyone die for pleasure is insane. Frankly.
Yeah its wild - normally i click off of these type of videos, but i felt less than nothing for him but damn that's alot of blood
I've seen this sentiment around a bit, and while I'm not going to tell people their feelings are wrong (I did not like the guy and while I would have preferred something else happen to him over murder, he did help support the set of circumstances that made his assassination possible), I find it confusing enough that it makes me question if either my brain works differently around this or if I'm misunderstanding what feeling empathy actually refers to, because to me, it doesn't seem "voluntary" like that.
Like, for me, if something unpleasant happens to someone, I can't really help but to start imagining it and going over what it might be like to be in or around that position and getting emotionally worked up, pretty much automatically. It doesn't really even matter if I'm glad the guy is gone at some level or hated them, my brain gets the immediate gut twist of "damn, that seems like a horrible experience" all the same. Like, it could be someone as heinous as literal Hitler, and even then if some documentary gets into the details of his end my first gut reaction is likely to be a sense of discomfort and something like "it would really suck to wake up one day as someone that's done all that and brought themselves to such a position, imagine what would be going through your head in that situation".
I haven't watched the video as I don't handle blood and gore and such well, and I don't mean this as some kind of judgement or assertion of virtue, it's just a bit confusing to me when people say things like "I have no empathy for guys like that" or "you shouldn't feel empathy for fascists because they don't deserve it" and I'm like, okay, but how? Does your brain just let you decide not do that? Mine seems to just do it automatically regardless of if it feels appropriate or not.
Feel your feelings. Do what's right for you. Nobody else makes that decision for you.
I've spent the last eight years infiltrating white supremacists on social media. I have seen people like Charlie and what their conversation is like when they're among their own and the masks are off. That's why I don't feel bad for him, I have seen their true faces.
You dont need to feel bad for him. You dont need to mourn and you can be happy that he is dead. But if that video of him dying didnt make you feel awful, because you just watched somebody die, then dont you think you might need to take a look at yourself? How much snuff content have you watched to get to a point where somebody gushing blood from their neck doesnt feel bad, you actually feel good watching it? Dont you see how thats a little bit disturbing?
I dont think we are talking about the same thing here. Im not evem sure you read my comment properly.
I am glad he is gone. He was a abhorrent piece of garbage.
But i dont take pleasure in watching people die. Thats what the sentiment is here. Joy and pleasure at watching people die.
I also dont know i can agree about me having a sheltered life. I have witnessed and experienced the death of others in my life. And it is always foul. I guess not living in the US being surrounded by death and mass shootings on an weekly basis means i still find it sickening.
I just think that feeling happy someone died and feeling happy watching someone die are two different things
One is joy that someone evil has been ended, one is joy at watching blood explode from someones neck.
I hope you see my point.
Edit: i feel i need to clarify. Death is gross to me. No matter how "quick", "painless" or "deserving" it was.
So your humanity is on a sliding scale? Death is only gruesome and foul if it happens to good people? Is there a specific point where it flips from ok to not ok?
Hating someone and wishing they were dead is not the same as taking pleasure in watching them die. My comment is responding to the original post about OP taking joy in watching the video. You are straw-manning my point. Twisting it into something else.
Do you see what i am saying?
I followed this stuff very closely. I know who kirk was. I despised him outright. You are mistaking my disgust for murder for empathy. I hated him. But i dont want to watch him explode blood from his neck.
Cant you see how foul that is? You are really gonna compare it to the frankly archaic practice of death row and watching people get killed? What is this the fucking 1800s?
That's what empathy is, it's automatic, reason doesn't factor in. There is nothing wrong with you.
Reasoning how to feel afterwards is something different.
Because of justice (or perceived justice). Just like if you see an old man knocked out by a angry 30 year old, you'd feel badly for the man, except if that 30 year old just caught the old guy molesting your kid, then your sympathy ends.
You described it pretty perfectly as I experience it. Charlie Kirk was an awful piece of shit, and also violence is bad. I watched the video but shouldn't have. I truly cannot understand how people are so gleeful. I certainly get being glad that he's dead. He didn't deserve life. But as you said, empathy isn't voluntary. People are either devoid of it or overriding it. America fucking sucks and probably will never get better.
Same! I think curiosity and sleep depravity got the better of me when i sought out the video.
Then i instantly and continuously regretted watching it as it was fucking foul! I cant get the image of the neck snap and blood exploding from his neck our of my head.
I absolutely despised this guy, but watching anybody die should have a natural effect on anyone.
I cant get behind this sentiment of wanting to watch him die for pleasure. That makes me think there are a lot more sick people on this platform than i had previously believed.
I absolutely agree. And the smug self righteousness here is even worse than reddit. People really disappoint me sometimes. This feeling I have right now is similar to the two times trump won. I always thought people were better than this.
Then just when you cannot think more badly of people, some dick will come along and tell you that you support fascism. Because that's clearly what being disgusted by watching a murder means, right? The lack of empathy for even the living is palpable.
The justifications are just ways of shutting down empathy. You can stop feeling those things automatically if you work at closing them off. It's a great first step at becoming a psychopath, if you want.
So, I don't think it's entirely voluntary either way, it's just a matter of where your perspective defaults to. I consider myself a fairly empathetic person and I happen to sit on the opposite side of this. As much as I try, I cannot feel empathy for him.
When I try, the empathy I feel is for everyone he advocated to subjugate and kill. I cannot fathom being in the shoes of someone so pointlessly, shamelessly hateful. When I put myself in his shoes, there is no connection that makes it in any way feel like a real person's understandable perspective. If he had changed at some point? That would be understandable. Imagining that makes me feel empathy for the person he could have been, but that person doesn't exist, never existed and may never have. I feel more empathy for that hypothetical person than I do the actual Charlie Kirk, someone who himself felt that feeling empathy was a sickness and wanted to eradicate me from society.
I struggle to find anything to empathize with there.
With that said, I watched the video. It made me feel sick to my stomach. But that didn't change the immense relief I felt knowing there was one less person in the world that thought I should be stoned in the street. I don't think you're wrong for feeling unsettled by someone taking glee in it though. It's hard to imagine the kind of pain someone has to go through to get to the point where someone's death is something to celebrate as a relief.
I laughed, and I fucking hate the fascists for being so vile that that was my reaction.
Was as entertaining as watching ketchup coming out of the bottle.
I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some famous fascist gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-gun-deaths-quote/ :::
It's karmic he was gunned down.
I think its pretty hilarious that he died in a literal school shooting. Something he advocated for.
I got more of a cold sense of "you reap what you sow" justice. If you go around slapping people in the face don't be shocked if you get your ass kicked one day.
Hey just looked at his wikipedia page and whats funny to me is there is very little about his actual life. Its like hes a caricature and nothing more. It makes me think of animes where people are caught up with spirits and stop being human. In this case the spirit is the movement that does not care for his humanity.
His Wikipedia should mention how he failed at the game of life. I've already significantly outlived him in years. And I'm not a pathetic worm propagandist. I beat Charlie Kuck at the game of life. We all did.
Im not sure playing is winning at this point.
Thank you; this is a thought worth keeping in my pocket for the next time I feel down.
He was such a hollow husk of a man that I'm surprised there was anything inside to leak out.
He never has his own opinions or views. He only displayed the opinions and views of his fanbase and worked to maintain that. He focused on his mask for so long, that the real person was hollowed out.
It's true! But I think that's what dark money does, it installs political figures who don't really have a human side.
If they did, they wouldn't take the job.
Wouldn't this be a great album cover for Pussy Riot?
It does look like he’s dancing
If it were the 80s, maybe Killing Joke would use as a follow up to their other great album picture:
Oh damn, I didn't even think of that one, and I'm pretty sure I have it in a box in my garage.
Let me put this in a simple way. His death should not be celebrated but you shouldn't mourn for him as well.
Just go "phew, that's one less bigot" & move on
That’s exactly how I feel. One less bigot on earth
I think you are downplaying his role though. And it is critical to understand this in order to understand why people are actually kind of happy he died. He is not just a bigot, he is a person with a very large sphere of influence who uses this influence to turn people into bigotry or make people who are already bigots more extreme bigots. Overall it is a really huge benefit for society, orders of magnitudes more than just a single isolated bigot.
Hm i felt very happy for a day. Great success!
Watched it and I'm happy too.
Like watching Hitler get shot would be, IMO.
"fuck yeah... Put that in your mouth uh huh... Just like that."
Can Hannity be next?
A stranger I met on the bus today said that his cousin works with a guy who is penpals with someone who's sister wanted to watch it for research purposes... Got a link?
https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457
Of course it did, the world is better than it was before it.
My reaction was just: "it sucks to suck".
Nice. Let's not lose focus on getting those Epstein files.
Ngl it was honestly pretty beautiful and poetic
I was immediately worried about the consequences from the right to feel any joy about what happened.
Yeah and libsoftiktok immediately posting "THIS IS WAR"
What consequences? They're already doing it. He WAS the consequences.
I think things are going to get much worse.
They were already going to get worse. They keep pushing the envelope and nothing has stopped them yet. Very few have even attempted to stop them. And when they've actually hit roadblocks, they just plow right through them. Things were always going to get worse.
The last thing I ever worry about is their fucking feelings
I don't think you should be feeling some of the utter glee that I'm seeing some people espouse. You can find it funny, you can feel indifferent, even a little glad that such a dickhead isn't in the world anymore, but some of the stuff that people are saying on social media (using their full name and photo like an idiot) is a little disconcerting. I don't think it's healthy.
I couldn't give a shit about Kirk personally or his family, but I've seen friends turn to extreme levels of sadistic joy, watching the video again and again, and trying to get me to watch it, pretending to have a party about it.
...I dunno, that doesn't seem like a mentally healthy thing to be doing.
The president is a pedophile. No one in America is mentally healthy any longer.
No, celebrating it makes you not much better morally and emotionally. A sense of justice though? I can see that.
This question (or its answers) are probably not fine by instance-rules, but either way:
Does anybody have a link to the uncensored video? (PM is fine too)
I can pm a link to a clip of the actual moment ... don't want to post it here because of the site rules.
But be forewarned, it's (obviously) nsfl due to the blood.
I found some on Facebook by searching "Charlie Kirk shooting" and searched videos. I can't seem to give you a link because they're Instagram reels and I don't have an account and there's no share button, but if you use Facebook try searching?
I can never actually rejoice in it. I avoided the video and my wife sprung it on me and like other things like this I berated her (she knows I don't like reality gore and prefer printed news). I made comments because its a bit hard not to with mister a few killings here and there are the price you pay for gun freedom.
Here's why I feel the way I do. Because he said shit like this.
Here's the full article with all the things he has said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/11/charlie-kirk-quotes-beliefs
I get why someone would but again I can't really rejoice. A human died, a man died, a man was assasinated while publically speaking. I can say that and I don't like that. I can't say a good man died though, that is for sure.
It's absolutely fine you feel that way. You feel what you feel.
Guessing the WMBA one was about Brittney Griner, who nobody liked, but you can see how he capitalized on that to push his agenda. Seriously, we traded someone who willing went to Russia for the war criminal that Lord of War was based off of.
I'm with you, soldiers came back from war with PTSD just from seeing a dude get smoked, I don't need to watch that shit, much less take glee in watching it.
I accept that with him gone, the movement I disagree with has been kneecapped, but damn, watching what people say is one of the most gruesome shootings...
And all us millennials who said "man I watched such dark shit on early internet", and then to still watch Charlie get one tapped... Don't need that image rumblin round in the noggin.
I mean I get people feelings. My thing is several things happened I don't like. An person died. It was an extrajudicial killing. It happened while peacefully publicly speaking. However I can't say a good man died. The things people say online is also peaceful public speaking in the sense its comparable to the public speaking of the guy who died. By his own standards he called for not having empathy, accepting gun deaths as the price of the second amendment, and having families and children be witness to executions. So I get it. Its not how I want things done but I get the online sentiment. Don't want to see it though rather read about it. I mean I feel that way with most news but if I do want to witness video Its not see horrible things.
I feel like, as Millennials, we never had to go far out of our way to witness something fucked up. We're the generation that saw people jumping out the windows of the twin towers from our classroom televisions.
I consider that to have been gruesome and disturbing enough. I don't need to see something this visceral.
I celebrated last December and I celebrated yesterday. In an ideal world, they'd never have been in a situation where such is necessary, but unfortunately we're far from that an some people need a reminder that they are mortal.
I'd like to see an ultra low resolution low quality version of the video so i can get a sense of what it looked like but not give me a bad memory i can't get out of my head.
Like 96 x 54 resolution, with lowered contrast and lots of mpeg compression artifacting
EDIT
i found this low quality still image and that's more than enough for me
https://tdpelmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/Charlie-Kirk-1024x576.jpg
That's way higher res than i was asking for. Gross, no
If you think that's bad... Lol
And then people post shit like this here: "Russian and Chinese Bots Fueling Online ‘Violence’ After Charlie Kirk Shooting
www.thedailybeast.com"
As if it's not 'normal' people not giving a fuck about some hate spreading dead nazi.
I think those bots are also on Charlie's side, like pushing an antileft agenda, because they want us to have a civil war to damage our country.
I'm surprised we didn't get a condolence tweet from Putin too.
I watched the video, shrugged my shoulders, and moved on to watch Casual Geographic. At least that is fun.
Honestly, I didn't feel much from seeing Kirk die. He is just one many conservatives, that I would simply like to turn into dust. They sometimes fill me with anger, but...it isn't much of a feeling, most days. I want to get on with life.
Died like a lil bitch is what he did. Didn't even put up a fight, just went out like a light.
Not to defend these cunty fascists, but how exactly do you suppose anyone — barring Superman — "fights" a surprise bullet to the neck?
By the time he heard the shot he was already dead.
Bootstraps to pull himself up over the bullet?
Trump Bible to deflect the bullet?
Anti-woke shield?
Who cares? He's dead.
So a big thing of these 2A advocates is the whole idea that as a good guy with a gun, you can take care of all the bad guys with guns.
I must assume he owns guns. He did not defend himself from what to him would be the "bad guy with a gun".
Or in an ironic twist, you could say that in this instance the good guy with the gun DID take out the bad guy.
That might work in a robbery or something, where a gun is used as in "do what I tell, because I've got a gun".
But as I assume the bullet wasn't subsonic, he literally could not have even heard the shot before getting hit.
Even if he had the speed of the Flash he couldn'tve dodged. Would've needed Spidersense to see it before it was coming.
And these fascist cunts are no superheroes lol
Edit "you could say that in this instance the good guy with the gun DID take out the bad guy."
Well a guy of some sort took out an evil guy for sure but dk if he's that good himself. I don't judge him for this murder but might for others
It's not supposed to be taken seriously. This was a person who thinks mass shootings are a necessity because everyone needs to have easy access to guns. Part of a large group of people who think it's actually reasonable to have to defend yourself from shooters at any moment, and who downplay the difficulty of protecting yourself from a shooter. THIS is the reality. You might never even know there's a shooter.
This isn't Charlie Kirk, but a bunch of other second amendment advocates being mocked by Sacha Baron Cohen. They all seemed to agree it'd be great to give school children guns to prevent school shooting. Because that's the best solution, rather than having fewer crazy people with guns.
If one of these people gets shot from a distance and people say "what a pussy, didn't even attempt to defend himself", it's to point out how dishonest their rhetoric is: You CAN'T just magically protect yourself from other people with guns just because you have a gun. It doesn't work that way. It's not just the distance either. Someone could walk around with a loaded firearm concealed in a comically large hoodie pocket and just pull the trigger standing right behind you, you'd never know he wanted to kill you. But THEY pretend that it's OK that every would-be shooter in the country has access to firearms, because you, too, can have access to firearms, and therefore it's completely trivial to protect yourself. It's not.
That's a decent point, noted.
But given my reply also includes comparisons to Superman and the Flash, and I presume one of them couldn't dodge it, then I'm sort of supporting the taking that shitty rhetoric to the absurd, even though I may have been too stoned to get the first as a complete joke.
Sacha Baron Cohen gets tons of respect for me, that shit he pulled was actually dangerous.
100% agree. I enjoy guns and I waa in the military but I probably wouldn't get my own gun licence currently due to some doagnosis I have. And I don't think that's a bad thing. Because while I might consider myself a responsible person, I know tons of others are. One friend had his guns taken away due to always getting into fights in bars. And that's fucking right.
I can stand up to people on the street because I don't have to worry about them literally murdering me with a few flicks of their finger.
Beta cuck move on his part.
yeah like of all the things you can make fun of him for you choose the fact that he didnt magically deflect a rifle round with his jugular? wtf lmao
Not alpha enough I guess? Who knew.
Shouldn't have dressed like that, really he is asking for it
Didn't even try to staunch the blood flow, just keeled over. Weak.
Bullets are fast.
https://mastodon.social/@Ulfh3dnar/115181548207581457 (NSFL)
Enjoy, I'm pretty sure if you listen closely before people start freaking you can hear him wheezing into the mic.
Wow, that was fast. He was just gushing instantly, and def awake for a few moments.
There's no way he could have survived that, unless there was a combat medic right next to him.
Its disturbing. Its engraved into my mind. If you want to watch that on repeat you have either never seen somebody get brutally killed or you are so desensitised that you are borderline psychotic.
I am not sad he is dead. Man was a deplorable waste of oxygen.
But wanting to watch him flood blood from his neck on repeat is not sane behaviour.
Maybe just maybe they should live. But the rest threatened the entire human race's existence. They could very well doom us to a situation like the one from I have no mouth and I must scream.
They supported unspeakable atrocities, and literally everything wrong in this world.
There's no punishment great enough for them.
Your username definitely fucking checks out.
What a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to say.
Everyone keeps talking about it, but why is no one posting it?
Back in the early days of reddit, it would have been on the front page within minutes. Y'all are slacking.
Don't just downvote, god damn it! Please give me a link!
Edit 2: Thank you. If anyone wants it, pm me.
https://lemmy.world/comment/19344993
Fucking thank you. I've been searching all day to no avail.
All I could find were censored clips from a distance, and news articles stating that the video is "circulating widely on social media". Well I don't use social media (besides Lemmy), and DDG is useless for these kind of searches, so the video might as well not have existed until you came along.
Thanks again.
what would be even better is finding a video with more context, maybe the whole event.
Empathy shouldn't be selective. I get that it 'feels good' but it in fact makes you no better than the hate preacher.
He was a cunt. A bad person. However, we should build a society where that behaviour is not tolerated nor rewarded. Don't like that he got murdered for it.
The irony of the whole thing though is almost comedic.
It is a bit troubling in the feelings department as a whole.
Counterpoint: paradox of tolerance
You should be intolerant towards intolerance. We have a saying for it. 'It is the exception that proves the rule'.
But being that, murder doesn't need to be that counterpoint. There should be other avenues.
It doesn't need to be, I agree. I'm certainly not going to spill any tears when it is, though.
Empathy isn't something that lasts in the face of persistent hate and intolerance. Its naturally selective in that respect. You can put it any way you like but this man received karma and if you didn't feel satisfaction at how he ended then you must either be ignorant of his hate and intolerance or you must approve of it.
That's the point. I am glad he is gone. But I am just against murder. Murder should not have been needed, we should have had a better society were people like him cannot flourish.
Not feeling bad about the situation is nowhere near as bad as actively trying to make the lives of minorities worse. Shame on you for even implying they are equitable.
Well mate, read again. He was a despot. I am glad he is gone. However, murder shouldn't be the way. Society should be better than this.
Shame on you for not reading
People can be happy he died without advocating for his murder or violence in general. If he was hit by a car and people are happy, it's not like people are suddenly happy car accidents happen and are promoting car accidents. You can be happy someone died without advocating murder.
Weird, when I commented on this I could've swore that I read that if you laugh at his death you're just as bad as he was. It was the whole reason I said what I said.
I don't think you edited this, did you?
Nah mate, I didn't edit it. I rather be the full bitch if I am one.
My bad then probably responded to a different comment or something
You people are insane. Crazy how all the chopped up footage over the years has brewed this much hate into you.
Self defense isn't hate.
It IS crazy but please take John Brown's final words to heart:
"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done."
We are repeating history and that man was an enemy of any rational or empathetic souls left in this country. I took the warnings of others seriously before watching the footage, as it is indeed awful. But that man would have been happy to watch me die. Knowing that, I can't pretend it doesn't feel good to see a threat neutralized.
First of all, sir, this is a Wendy's.
Second, maybe watching their country slip in to totalitarian fascism bring out in the worst in some people? Like the ones with a shred of morality and awareness.
Third, I think most of the people aware of what Charlie Kirk was actually like, probably have pretty good reasons to wish him ill.
Charlie Kirk talked about the great replacement theory quite often. That's quite literally white supremacy talking points. What else is there to feel for someone who is a Nazi?